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Any suggestions for almost failing kidneys in 13 yo cat

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butch burton - 01 Dec 2004 02:53 GMT
My 13 YO cat is now at the vets with a drip iv.  Waited too long to
take him - his blood chemistry was really awful. It has somewhat
improved since being on a iv drip.  Am bringing him home tomorrow -
will inject him under the skin with Ringer's solution.  The vet is
young and bright - he says not much we can do - don't want to put him
down while there is still a chance.

Any suggestions?

When your critters start looking like they are not well - get them to
the vet asap.  It is hard to look him in the eye now.

Thanks
Troy - 01 Dec 2004 10:51 GMT
> My 13 YO cat is now at the vets with a drip iv.  Waited too long to
> take him - his blood chemistry was really awful. It has somewhat
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>
> Thanks

Hi there Butch,

I have a cat slightly younger than yours that has the same problem. He
was first diagnosed with renal problems about 1.5 years ago -
technically called CRF (Chronic Renal Failure). I also suspect he had
been ill for a while before he got to the vet. He is much better than
he was, he has had the odd turn when he been taken to the vet but for
the most part he has been well. You'll find your cat not as active as
a normal cat due to the loss of kidney function. As you probably know,
the kidneys process protein (meat) and cleanse the blood of toxins
(amongst other things). You'll notice your cat drinks lots more than a
normal cat to help compensate for the kidney failure. The most
important thing for you to do is to make sure your cat has plenty of
water around - I have about 5 bowls around the house.

Diet:

Your cat has most likely been put onto a low protein diet food like
Hills Prescription KD. There seem to be two very different views on
diet for renal failure cats:

1) Vet prescribed diets like Hills KD. These are low protein diets
with suppliments to compensate for the loss of kidney function. These
contain poor proteins that are said to be easier for the kidneys to
cope with but require your cat to eat more.
2) Cooked chicken (boneless of course) or cooked white fish. These are
high protein, easy to digest foods. The protein is very pure and your
cat will need to eat less to get the required energy.

The arguments seem to stem from the fact that while the prescription
diets are low protien the additives and processing adds more chemicals
for the kidneys to deal with, and on the other side of the coin the
pure proteins are easy to digest and have no additives for the kidneys
to process.

I feed mine the vet prescibed diet in the morning and chicken at
night.

The SINGLE most important thing I did for my cat was to put him onto
Missing Link Feline Formula which is a natural vitamin/mineral/food
supplement. Within a couple of weeks of doing this he was much better
and is still going now.

The sad thing about all of this is that renal failure is terminal and
irreversable. You can only make your cat comfortable and keep an eye
on his diet. The rest is up to him. Some cats last only a few months,
others last years. Mine has been extremely sick before, to the point
where he didn't eat for a week and stopped drinking...I thought it was
all over - but on day 8 he ate a tiny morsel of cat food and slowly
improved - so don't give up when it looks grim.

Best of luck with it all, feel free to ask questions.

Troy.
Becks - 03 Dec 2004 00:49 GMT
Hello Troy

Thanks for posting that advice to Butch about kidney disease.  Could you
tell me what were the earliest symptons of your cat's kidney problems.  Does
you cat ever throw up drinking as much as he does?  I have a Siamese which
the vet told me *might* have kidney disease - he certainly drinks more than
the average cat.  However, I have to limit his water intake otherwise he
just drinks and drinks until he vomits.  Does your cat do this?
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butch burton - 03 Dec 2004 16:31 GMT
> Hello Troy
>
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> the average cat.  However, I have to limit his water intake otherwise he
> just drinks and drinks until he vomits.  Does your cat do this?

Not Troy but this is a sign of renal failure - check his feces - are
they really dry and hard - that is the body trying to capture all the
fluid possible.  My cat will stand at a water spout and drink till he
upchucks.  Suggest you get your critter on a low protien diet - mine
actually like the Science DIet (I believe) dry KD.  He would not touch
the canned version but does like Fancy Feast chicken and
tuna/whitefish whatever that is.  Watch for weight loss.

Good news my guy ate quite a bit of food this AM and kept it and his
medicine down.  He appears to be perking up a bit - hope this is not
the last hurrah you typically see in terminal humans.
Troy - 05 Dec 2004 02:44 GMT
> > Hello Troy
> >
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> medicine down.  He appears to be perking up a bit - hope this is not
> the last hurrah you typically see in terminal humans.

Becks,

If you limit your cats water intake you will cause him great harm -
you must let him drink as much as he wants/needs. My cat does not
vomit when he drinks a lot.

It is probably wise not to change his diet unless you get his
condition diagnosed - diabetic cats will also drink a large amount of
water - although they tend to bloat rather than become skinny like
renal cats. If it is not a renal problem you could do serious harm by
changing his diet. Have the problem diagnosed.

Butch,

As I said before, my cat went through some really bad patches but
recovered at the last moment. Remember, plain roast chicken is much
better for your cat than canned/pet food variety because it is easier
on the kidneys as it doesn't have millions of additives and it is high
quality.

Good luck and lets hope you cat pulls throught this bad patch....

Troy.
butch burton - 03 Dec 2004 04:18 GMT
> > My 13 YO cat is now at the vets with a drip iv.  Waited too long to
> > take him - his blood chemistry was really awful. It has somewhat
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>
> Troy.

THANKS

My guy is still eating a bit - am giving a potassium binder to lower
the potassium levels in his blood.  ALso some antibiotic.  Am giving
him an iv under the skin on his back consisting of 150CC of warmed
Ringers solution every other day.  He is still eating and likes KD dry
- not canned.  He also likes chicken - but he really prefers tuna -
think that might be bad cause the tuna is the dark variety-more
protien probably-wonder what about canned albacore tuna - nice and
white.

I will do a web search for Missing Link Feline Formula.

Vet said he probably only had a few days but I will try everything I
can.

Thanks for the support.
butch burton - 03 Dec 2004 04:27 GMT
> > My 13 YO cat is now at the vets with a drip iv.  Waited too long to
> > take him - his blood chemistry was really awful. It has somewhat
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
>
> Troy.

Sorry for a second post - but just remembered have to go on the road
on Sunday for a couple of days - am letting vets care for my kitty -
the gals there really like him - he is cuddly - what kind of stores
would carry Missing Link - will have to find it tomorrow cause have to
take him to the Vets at noon on Saturday.

No choice on the road trip - would rather hang with kitty but no
choice.

Thanks again - any suggested pet store chains that might carry this
stuff and will get it tomorrow.
Troy - 05 Dec 2004 02:37 GMT
> > > My 13 YO cat is now at the vets with a drip iv.  Waited too long to
> > > take him - his blood chemistry was really awful. It has somewhat
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> Thanks again - any suggested pet store chains that might carry this
> stuff and will get it tomorrow.

I usually get mine from either a vet or a large pet store. I am in
Australia but I know that the product comes from the US so you
shouldn't have too much problem finding it - have you contacted the
manufacturer - try this link:
http://www.designinghealth.com/miscellaneous/store_locator.html

Troy.
mlbriggs - 02 Dec 2004 05:36 GMT
> My 13 YO cat is now at the vets with a drip iv.  Waited too long to
> take him - his blood chemistry was really awful. It has somewhat
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Thanks

Pray!  We'll send purrs for his return to health.   MLB
 
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