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Cat Forum / General Topics / October 2004Keeping cat off counter
Hello. I have a 3 yr old cat that loves to jump on the kitchen counters. Is there any safe and effective way to train her to stay off the counter? She only goes on the counter when no one is in the room. Thanks MMarty Martin at socrates039@yahoo.com wrote on10/19/04 7:56 PM: > Hello. I have a 3 yr old cat that loves to jump on the > kitchen counters. Is there any safe and effective way to train her to stay > off the counter? She only goes on the counter when no one is in the room. > Thanks > MMarty There are a lot of things you can try if you have the patience; but after three years, the short answer is, "No." :)  SignatureDiana, who has tried them all Portal To My Pages http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/r/drdrive/ When she jumps on the counter spray her and say No eventually she will stop. Sara > Martin at socrates039@yahoo.com wrote on10/19/04 7:56 PM: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > There are a lot of things you can try if you have the patience; but after > three years, the short answer is, "No." :) > Hello. I have a 3 yr old cat that loves to jump on the > kitchen counters. Is there any safe and effective way to train her to > stay off the counter? She only goes on the counter when no one is in the > room. > Thanks > MMarty use double sided sticky tape, or tin foil, orange peel, there are lots of things that will make is less appealing :-) Very simple. Purchase a CatScram electronic cat repellent and put it on your counter. You hear nothing, the cat thinks a smoke alarm goes off everytime he jumps on you counter. Works great for all but the most fearless of cats. Disclaimer: I sell these and wish you would buy them from me. But even if you buy them elsewhere, they are a great product. Philip http://www.OdorDestroyer.com Hello. I have a 3 yr old cat that loves to jump on the kitchen counters. Is there any safe and effective way to train her to stay off the counter? She only goes on the counter when no one is in the room. Thanks MMarty How would you like it if every time somebody spotted you doing something they didnt like they set off a smoke detector right next to your ear? This is cruel punishment to the cat. >Very simple. Purchase a CatScram electronic cat repellent and put it on >your counter. You hear nothing, the cat thinks a smoke alarm goes off [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Thanks >MMarty Can't say I'd like it a bunch, but it sure as hell would keep me from jumping on the counter! :+) > How would you like it if every time somebody spotted you doing > something they didnt like they set off a smoke detector right next to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> one is in the room. Thanks >> MMarty Signature~~ What most RepuGlicans don't seem to understand: "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry To reply JUNK the NOJUNK! The CatScram functions by taking advantage of a cats natural skittishness, not by inducing pain and discomfort. That's why I mentioned that it "works great for all but the most fearless of cats." And it's far from cruel. The audio is similar in pattern to a smoke alarm, but not nearly as intense. A smoke alarm is designed to wake the whole house from a dead sleep. A CatScram is designed to be largely inaudible at about 12-15 feet and cannot penetrate common household objects like walls, furnuture, etc. It's omnidirectional, and cannot be heard outside the audio cone (think flashlight beam). I have one in a closet (previously used as an ad-hoc litter box) about 8 feet from their food. The CatScram can be blaring away while they eat, and they meander around oblivious to it's presence. That is, unless they decide to sneak into the closet again. :) You could actually use it to protect only half of a desk if you located it carefully. Try that with a smoke alarm. Another example: If the CatScram is located on a kitchen counter, the cats can wander the floor at will while you work in the kitchen. Your body movement will keep the CatScram activated almost constantly, but your cats will be unaware of it's presence unless they decide to venture onto the countertop. It's a very good way to keep a curious cat away from a hot stove, knives, and other dangerous items that they may leap up onto/into. All that said, it's not a punishment. It's causes no pain or physical discomfort and only takes once or twice before a cat associates the area with danger and steers well clear. Philip http://www.OdorDestroyer.com How would you like it if every time somebody spotted you doing something they didnt like they set off a smoke detector right next to your ear? This is cruel punishment to the cat. On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:06:53 GMT, "Odor Destroyer" <service.REMOVEME@odordestroyer.com> wrote: >Very simple. Purchase a CatScram electronic cat repellent and put it on >your counter. You hear nothing, the cat thinks a smoke alarm goes off [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Thanks >MMarty Anything you do is really "cruel" according to someone it the world. However I have always used a water bottle (water in it) and spray her everytime you see her on the counter and say no! I know someone would say that is cruel too, but oh well. Sara > Anything you do is really "cruel" according to someone it the world. > However I have always used a water bottle (water in it) and spray her > everytime you see her on the counter and say no! I know someone would > say that is cruel too, but oh well. > Sara If it works Sara then its a good idea, one of mine shakes his head and carries on strolling! I don't think its cruel >Anything you do is really "cruel" according to someone it the world. >However I have always used a water bottle (water in it) and spray her >everytime you see her on the counter and say no! I know someone would >say that is cruel too, but oh well. >Sara That doesn't afflict pain on the animal. The signal emitted by the device in question can, and probably does, cause the animal pain, however low a level. You might as well just smack them in the ears with a spoon. >> "can [cause pain]" If you took the device and held it to their ear like a headset, that is a possibility. As would a walkman cranked up to full volume. Either action would also cause you pain even though in the case of the CatScram you would unable to discern the signal causing the pain. >> "probably does [cause pain]" From your repeated insistence that it is cruel and does in fact cause pain, is it safe to assume that you have worked with the device (or similar) or done any type of research to substantiate your accusations? No? Well I have, as has the manufacturer whom I know quite well. The device causes no more pain than my clock radio causes me at 5am. Unpleasant, yes. Alarming, yes. Painful, no. In truth, you could get similar results by hooking a clock radio to a motion detector. But that would annoy the heck out of the humans that a cat allows to co-habitate with them. So, we chose a frequency that is inaudible to humans. 25khz to be exact. Just outside the hearing range of most humans. But, if it's any consolation there are rare occurences of young female humans who have reported being able to hear the signal. FWIW, if the device functions by pain as opposed to fear then why are all cats not affected? Are exotic breeds (often unaffected) simply unable to feel pain? All that said, I'm always receptive to any insights you might have to offer as to specifically how this device causes pain and what we might do to correct it. Philip http://www.OdorDestroyer.com >Anything you do is really "cruel" according to someone it the world. >However I have always used a water bottle (water in it) and spray her >everytime you see her on the counter and say no! I know someone would >say that is cruel too, but oh well. >Sara That doesn't afflict pain on the animal. The signal emitted by the device in question can, and probably does, cause the animal pain, however low a level. You might as well just smack them in the ears with a spoon. >From your repeated insistence that it is cruel and does in fact cause pain, >is it safe to assume that you have worked with the device (or similar) or >done any type of research to substantiate your accusations? No? Well I >have, as has the manufacturer whom I know quite well. The device causes no >more pain than my clock radio causes me at 5am. You compared this to a Fire Alarm for the cat's ears. I'm sure if I replaced your Alarm Clock with a Fire Alarm, it WOULD cause you a great deal of pain. Fire alarms drive me nuts, and they cause my ears to ache within a very short time span. Your analogy is comparing apples to buildings - the two situations you are comparing have nothing in common. > Unpleasant, yes. Alarming, yes. Painful, no. In truth, you could get similar results by hooking a >clock radio to a motion detector. But that would annoy the heck out of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >occurences of young female humans who have reported being able to hear the >signal. No, that isn't of any consequence to me. Putting it up in the ultrasonic frequency area just causes the cat more pain/irritation. Why can't we just coexist with our feline friends? When I catch my kitty somewhere I don't want him, I just give him a stern NO and take him off whatever it is he shouldn't be on. He's going to do and go where he wants regardless. NobodyMan, You have grasped onto an analogy that I made and decided to ride that horse till it's dead. You neither have, nor do you seek, any facts, experience, or data to invalidate or confirm your assertations. You speak from a position of ignorance, and it appears that you do so willingly. Since you have no intention of letting the facts distort your perception of reality, I see no reason to discuss this issue any further. Philip http://www.OdorDestroyer.com On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:45:27 GMT, "Odor Destroyer" <service.REMOVEME@odordestroyer.com> wrote: >From your repeated insistence that it is cruel and does in fact cause pain, >is it safe to assume that you have worked with the device (or similar) or >done any type of research to substantiate your accusations? No? Well I >have, as has the manufacturer whom I know quite well. The device causes no >more pain than my clock radio causes me at 5am. You compared this to a Fire Alarm for the cat's ears. I'm sure if I replaced your Alarm Clock with a Fire Alarm, it WOULD cause you a great deal of pain. Fire alarms drive me nuts, and they cause my ears to ache within a very short time span. Your analogy is comparing apples to buildings - the two situations you are comparing have nothing in common. > Unpleasant, yes. Alarming, yes. Painful, no. In truth, you could get > similar results by hooking a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >occurences of young female humans who have reported being able to hear the >signal. No, that isn't of any consequence to me. Putting it up in the ultrasonic frequency area just causes the cat more pain/irritation. Why can't we just coexist with our feline friends? When I catch my kitty somewhere I don't want him, I just give him a stern NO and take him off whatever it is he shouldn't be on. He's going to do and go where he wants regardless. >NobodyMan, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Philip >http://www.OdorDestroyer.com Fine. I read this differently; you've been backed into a corner having painted yourself there with false logic and bad analogies. Now you are going to take your toys and go home. Whatever. If I am ignorant it is merely because YOU haven't presented enough facts about your device. I based my comments on how YOU described it and how the cat would perceive it. For you enlightenment, I do have extensive knowledge on how sounds affect the environment. I do have some idea of what I am talking about. I guess, though, that you are right. This thread is dead. For the rest of those follwing this thread; > You compared this to a Fire Alarm for the cat's ears. I'm sure if I > replaced your Alarm Clock with a Fire Alarm, it WOULD cause you a > great deal of pain. Your analogy is comparing > apples to buildings - the two situations you are comparing have > nothing in common. The analogy may in fact be comparing apples to oranges, but you must also understand that I'm trying to describe what something that a human cannot ever hear sounds like. Kind of like trying to describe a symphony orchestra to a deaf man. I chose the analogy of a smoke alarm because if you plot it on an audiometer the warbling pattern looks similar to that of a smoke alarm. A CatScram can't possibly sound like an actual smoke alarm since they operate in two completely audio ranges. >Putting it up in the > ultrasonic frequency area just causes the cat more pain/irritation. "Ultrasonic" defines a region of the audio spectrum relative to the human capability to discern sound. 25khz is not ultrasonic to a cat, it is in fact well within the normal feline audio range. To say that the device is "ultrasonic" to a cat, is as incorrect as saying that the upper range of a gifted singer is "ultrasonic" to a human. The frequency of a sound has nothing to do with it's ability to cause pain and/or ear damage. Pain and/or ear damage are a result of audio pressure or as we more commonly call it "volume". An ultrasonic signal (25khz) at 60db would cause no pain at all, while a bass drum (60hz) at 140db could burst your eardrums. To assert that a signal is somehow dangerous because of of it's frequency is simply not factual. Philip http://www.OdorDestroyer.com > Very simple. Purchase a CatScram electronic cat repellent and put it on > your counter. You hear nothing, the cat thinks a smoke alarm goes off [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Disclaimer: I sell these and wish you would buy them from me. But even if > you buy them elsewhere, they are a great product. Actually I can hear those things and that high pitched sound annoys me a lot. |
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