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Wade Power - 12 Jun 2004 03:18 GMT
I am looking to buy a persian kitten, if there is anyone who is selling or
knows where I could get one, I would appreciate if you dropped me a line!
thanks

-Wade
Orchid - 12 Jun 2004 15:43 GMT
>I am looking to buy a persian kitten, if there is anyone who is selling or
>knows where I could get one, I would appreciate if you dropped me a line!
>thanks

Orchid's Guide to Finding a Responsible Breeder and Getting the Cat of
Your Dreams

v1.5

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Purebred does not always mean high-quality. Registered does not always
mean high-quality. How then can someone interested in getting a
healthy, happy, well-bred cat find one? Here are some steps, tips, and
warning signs when trying to find a good breeder. Responsible breeders
are also known as 'hobby breeders' -- meaning that they are people who
do this for the love and advancement of the breed, not to make money.
It is very difficult to make money off of breeding purebred animals
because of the cost of showing your breeding animals to Champion or
above levels, proper pre- and post-natal vet care, etc.

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First Steps:

1. Do the research.

One would think that this is a no-brainer, that of course someone who
was about to shell out a few hundred bucks for a kitten would have
made sure they knew exactly what they were getting in to.
Unfortunately, this is not often the case.  Before you start calling
up breeders, do the research on the breed. Buy books on your breed (or
check them out from the library).  Find out what registries have
standards for your breed, and familiarise yourself with the standards.
Find out if there is a national or international breed club for your
breed.  If so, go over its website thoroughly and maybe even join it
so you get access to its bulletins and internal articles.

2.  Join breed mailing lists.
This is your best conduit to people who can not only tell you what
it's really like to live with one (or more!) of these cats but can
also steer you towards respected, responsible breeders.  You may even
meet breeders currently working within the breed!  There are hundreds
of breed-specific mailing lists out there, check Yahoo Groups and
other listserv sites to find them.  Or just Google for 'mailing list'
and your breed name.

3.  Go to cat shows.
This allows you to see the current state of the breed and puts you in
contact with multiple breeders for face-to-face time.  Bring some hand
sanitizer, and they may even let you hold or pet one of their cats.
Talk to the breeders and collect business cards from the ones you
like.  Make arrangements to go out and visit their catteries if they
are close enough to you.  If they aren't, set up a time for a long
phone interview with the breeder.  Cat show schedules for each of the
registries can be found on their websites.

4.  Be patient.
Responsible breeders often have waiting lists for their kittens, or
may not have a litter planned for a few months.  Do not let your
eagerness for a kitten short-circuit your plans to get the healthiest,
best-bred one possible.

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The Breeder Interview:

Here are some questions you should ask and what you should be looking
for in a response.   A 'no' answer to any of these questions is not
necessarily a cue to run screaming, but they are warning signs.
During this interview, you should feel as though you are being
interviewed right back.  The breeder will ask questions about your
housing situation, your familial situation, your views on cat care and
vet visits, maybe even ask you for vet references.  They do this
because they want their kittens to go into the best possible home.

1.  Do you show, and if so, in what registry?  If you don't show, why
not?
Breeders should show.  Showing means that an unbiased person (the
judge) has judged their cats to be superior examples of the breed.  A
breeder who shows is also going to be well-informed regarding the
state of the breed, and is going to have the necessary contacts and
friendships to have access to the best lines of cats.  The most
respected cat registries in the US are The International Cat
Association (TICA), the American Cat Fancier's Association (ACFA), and
the Cat Fancier's Association (CFA).  Respected international
registries include Federation Internationale Feline (FIFe), the
Governing Council of Cat Fancy (GCCF), the Australian Cat Federation
(ACF), and the New Zealand Cat Fancy (NZCF).  A breeder should be
registered with at least one of these. (**NOTE -- If you are a breeder
or show person involved with a reputable registry not listed here,
please contact me with information about it so I can add it to the
next version of this**)
If they do not show, there should be a good, plausible reason why not.
For example, if they cannot make it to shows for some reason, such as
physical handicap or distance considerations.  As well, ask them how
they determine if their cats should be bred or not -- do they make any
effort to get an unbiased, educated opinion?

2.  What are your criteria for breeding quality?  Show quality?  Pet
quality?
This is often a good thing to ask when you have a cat or three in
front of you so the breeder can point out the good or bad features on
each cat.  A breeder should have a ready answer for this.

3.  What is the goal of your breeding program?  What would the ideal
example of your breed look like?  How are you going about achieving
that?
This should also be a ready answer.  Responsible breeders have a dream
cat in mind when they decide to become breeders, and that is what they
are working towards.  All responsible breeders are working to better
the breed in question.  This is also an exception to the 'run away'
clause.  If a breeder has no goal, does not show, and says they are
'just breeding pets', RUN AWAY.  And don't look back.  That person is
almost definitely a Backyard Breeder (BYB).

4.  What titles do you put on your cats before you breed them?
This should be Champion at the least.  There may be occasional
exceptions within a breeding program, but the majority of the cats in
a responsible program will be titled.  Obviously this question does
not apply if they do not show.

5.  What health problems exist in the breed?  What tests are you doing
to clear your cats of them before you breed them?
Many breeds have health problems.  This comes from the unfortunate
fact that most breeds were brought into existence before we knew
anything about genetics and recessive genetic diseases.  Responsible
breeders are working to clear their lines of these problems, and they
do the expensive medical tests to make certain they are not breeding
animals who will pass those bad genes on.  Since you've done your
research, you should know what health problems exist in the breed.  If
they say that there aren't any, or leave any out you should ask about
the ones they omitted.  Examples of genetic diseases suffered by cats
are Feline Hip Dysplasia, Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy (HCM), luxating
patellas (aka slipping knees), Polycystic Kidney Disease (PKD), and
cryptorchidism (undescended testicles).  If a breeder just says that
the vet checks them over, it's a bad sign.  All of these diseases
(except cyrptorchidism) require special tests that are not done at a
standard checkup.

6.  What do you do to socialise your cats?
This should be a ready answer.  There are so many ways to socialise
kittens that I can't give you a 'right' answer, but the breeder should
have a program in place that involves regular human socialisation and
bonding at the absolute least.  Many breeders also try to socialise to
dogs, children, grooming, nail cutting, etc.

7.  When can kittens come home with me?
This should be around 12-14 weeks old.  It should *not* be 8 weeks or
younger.  Kittens need that third month to learn how to be cats from
Mom, and how to play gentle from siblings.  They also are learning how
to talk to other cats, how to use the litterbox consistently, and how
to use the scratching post.  Some breeders hold 'til 14 weeks, others
will base when kittens leave their home on the kitten itself.  Bonding
will not be hampered if you get a three month old kitten instead of a
two month old kitten -- you'll just get a more confident, happier cat.

8.  May I see a copy of your sales contract?
This is crucial.  All breeders should have a sales contract that
addresses issues of health, includes a spay/neuter clause, and
includes a 'right of first refusal' clause.  The right of first
refusal clause means that should you decide to get rid of the cat for
any reason, it must come back to the breeder.  This shows that your
breeder cares about the animals they are sending into the world, and
that they will always be there for you for advice.  Many breeders are
beginning to add 'indoor-only'and anti-declaw clauses into their
contracts, so don't be surprised if you see either of those clauses.
They should be more than happy to give you a copy of the contract when
you ask.

9.  How often do you have kittens?
If they say 'all the time!' be very worried.  A responsible breeder
has litters carefully planned in advance, and does not often (though
it is possible, especially if the breeder has outdoor enclosures for
cats to play in -- lots of natural light will cause queens to go into
a more 'wild' estrus cycle and thus all come into heat at around the
same time in the spring) have more than two or three at the same time.
This allows the breeder to give the kittens the attention they need to
be good pets.

10.  May I have some references from previous pet buyers?
They should be happy to give you references, and should have them on
hand. Follow up on them -- some BYBs have begun to give out false
references.

11.  What shots do you give kittens, when and why?
A twelve week old kitten should have had their first set of shots at
least, and many will have had their second set too.  The breeder
should be able to explain why they give the shots they do, and why
they don't give the shots they don't.

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General Stuff

Breeders should not actively badmouth other breeders.  If they have a
problem with another breeder's practises, they should be able to
discuss those practises and why they disagree with them calmly and
professionally.

The breeder's house/cattery should be clean.  It should not smell
overpoweringly of cats, litter boxes should be clean, cats should be
healthy and well-fed.  Intact males should live in spacious runs with
plenty of toys and environmental features.  If females live in runs
they should be clean and spacious as well.  All the cats should be
handleable, males and females alike.

Orchid
See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
Want a Purebred Cat?  Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Sunflower - 13 Jun 2004 00:30 GMT
> I am looking to buy a persian kitten, if there is anyone who is selling or
> knows where I could get one, I would appreciate if you dropped me a line!
> thanks
>
> -Wade

Check out www.petfinder.com  and look for a rescue in your area.  No need to
"buy" a cat when there are so many already available to adopt.
Amanda - 13 Jun 2004 02:39 GMT
What a great site! When I move next year, my kitty's gonna need a partner in
crime and now I know where to look! Thanks!

> > I am looking to buy a persian kitten, if there is anyone who is selling or
> > knows where I could get one, I would appreciate if you dropped me a line!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Check out www.petfinder.com  and look for a rescue in your area.  No need to
> "buy" a cat when there are so many already available to adopt.
Amanda - 13 Jun 2004 05:32 GMT
What a great site! When I move next year, my kitty's gonna need a partner in
crime and now I know where to look! Thanks!

> > I am looking to buy a persian kitten, if there is anyone who is selling or
> > knows where I could get one, I would appreciate if you dropped me a line!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Check out www.petfinder.com  and look for a rescue in your area.  No need to
> "buy" a cat when there are so many already available to adopt.
 
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