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e - 28 May 2004 22:58 GMT
Hi all..

I've been lurking for a while, and thought I might ask for your
advice...

The deal: I have a really long haired Siamese (mix) cat.  His hair is
between 3 and 4 inches long everywhere, and super fine and cottony.  I
moved recently, and the previous tenants had several cats and dogs.
So...  despite that he's an indoor cat, he has come down with a bad
case of fleas.

I thought it wouldn't be an impossible task to eradicate the fleas,
given all of the products out there, but I'm encountering some
problems. [Especially the fact that I have an uber-strong histamine
response to any bug bites, and have always been a bug magnet. I'm
covered in like 30+ inch-or-so-in-diameter itchy, itchy, itchy,
painful flea bites. I wore stockings and a tight shirt to bed one
night, and so the fleas just decided to attack my neck-- the only
exposed part of my body. This was confusing though, since I thought
that as long as there is a cat around, the fleas would rather bite him
then me... ]

But anyway, I used Frontline Plus on the cat a few weeks ago.
Strangely enough, it didn't seem to work.  The fleas weren't dying.
Last week I took him to the vet, who said that if too much of the
frontline got in his hair, rather than distributed across his skin,
then it is the case that the frontline wouldn't work optimally. I
figured I applied it wrong.

So, the vet applied Advantage to the cat.  I hoped that he would have
better flea product application skills, so more of the product would
end up on the cat's skin than his hair.  But, the Advantage didn't
seem to work either.  I noticed that every time the cat would jump off
of the couch, he would leave two or three alive-and-well fleas behind.
Weirdly, they didn't appear to be incredibly lively and jumpy.  My
theory is that they're getting enough of the pesticide to become weak
enough to fall off the cat, but not enough to kill them.  This is
almost more frustrating, since without their host the errant fleas
then wander over to me and start attacking.  After I discovered this,
and didn't let the cat in the bed with me, which seemed to result in
fewer bites for me.  I mean, it only takes one flea in my bed to bite
me through out the night.

I decided to give the cat Program, which I'm optimistic about.  But, I
don't know what to do about the spot treatments not working. I figure
they're not working because they cover his hair rather than his skin
(what with the capillary action and the fact that his hair has
infinately more surface area than his skin). Or maybe they're not
working because the fleas don't spend as much time on his skin since
he has so much hair to hide in. I don't know. But, I need a solution.
From the first time I applied the stuff to the cat, I did wonder
whether his hair length would preclude it from working.. and it seems
like it does.

I was so excited to use the Program and a spot treatment since
according to some people, these products worked so well that they
didn't need to treat the carpets or bomb the house.  But, I think am
going to buy a carpet spray of some kind tonight, since the stuff
isn't working. :(

So, I think I might have the cat shaved for the summer. (Or given a
"lion cut" as this is much cuter). This will result in the spot
treatments actually working like they're supposed to.  But, it seems
like the fleas won't *be able* to live on the cat as readily since
they won't have any hair to cling to... sort of like how Sphinx cats
don't really get fleas. (Or do they?) This seems bad since they'll
spend less time on him, and more time on me and the carpet, which
isn't fun for me, but could potentially also result in the fleas' not
getting enough of the pesticide. (Or maybe not?) If he does get a
"lion cut", will the fleas just run to where there is fur and
potentially less pesticide? Aurghh.  Any thoughts or suggestions about
this? Any other ideas?

A apologize for the super long post...  I've been needing to vent :)
Thanks for reading my flea saga...

-e
MaryL - 28 May 2004 23:43 GMT
> Hi all..
>
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>
> -e

There will be others on this group who can give you more detailed
information.  However, this much seems obvious to me:  (1) There is
obviously such a severe flea infestatin in the house that it may take some
time to eradicate.  I have used Advantage with great success, but I have not
had to deal with the situation you describe.  However, I think you should
pick one product and stick with it for awhile.  (2) You need to treat the
premises -- vigorously, in this case -- and not just the cat.  You will need
to treat the entire area -- cat's bedding, carpeting, beds, upholstery, etc.
Dump the vacuum bag or cannister immediately after vacuuming, and take the
contents *outdoors.*  Cut up a flea collar.  *Do not* use it on the cat
because you should not use flea collars and the other products you
described.  However, vacuum up a few small pieces of the flea collar both
before vacuuming and after cleaning the vacuum.  That should help to
eradicate any fleas that may be in the vacuum cleaner.  (3) Treat *outside*
around the perimeter of the house -- and as far out into the yard as
possible -- in case some of your problem is caused by bring new critters
into the house on your clothing.  It also sounds like you need to spend some
time using a flea comb -- and, yes, a lion cut might help but it certainly
will not be a cureall.

Good luck!

MaryL
Al B - 29 May 2004 01:16 GMT
What you have to do is rid the house and your cats of the fleas at the same
time.  See your vet about the cats they have injections and other treatments
that are more effective than over the counter products.  There is a product
that you have use on your house that is actually a poison gas bomb.  You
close up your house and open the can of gas then leave for several hours.
You have to repeat the process again 2 or 3 days later because the gas does
not kill the larvae that the previuosly living fleas have laid.  Don't
forget to launder all of your clothing and bedding and cover food and
dishes.

It's been several years since I've had to deal with this problem and maybe
there are better ways to deal with it now.
Ashley - 29 May 2004 01:30 GMT
> What you have to do is rid the house and your cats of the fleas at the same
> time.  See your vet about the cats they have injections and other treatments
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> forget to launder all of your clothing and bedding and cover food and
> dishes.

You can get flea bombs that guarantee to leave your place flea-free for the
next 12 months. And they work. I had a problem about 18 months ago and I
flea bombed the entire house. Haven't had any problems since.
Al B - 29 May 2004 03:06 GMT
"> You can get flea bombs that guarantee to leave your place flea-free for
the
> next 12 months. And they work. I had a problem about 18 months ago and I
> flea bombed the entire house. Haven't had any problems since.

That is the only way to really get rid of them.  Just treating your pet is
useless unless you get them out of the house, they thrive in carpets.
MaryL - 29 May 2004 04:53 GMT
> > What you have to do is rid the house and your cats of the fleas at the
> same
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> next 12 months. And they work. I had a problem about 18 months ago and I
> flea bombed the entire house. Haven't had any problems since.

WARNING!!      Flea bombs can be very effective.  However, *read the
instructions carefully* if you have gas in your house.  Many of the insect
bombs warn that all pilot lights (central heat, oven, hot water heater, gas
burning logs in fireplace, etc.) must be turned *off* before using the
insect cannisters.  If you do use some, look for the kind that are also
designed to kill the eggs.

The whole treatment may need to be repeated several times if you have a
severe infestation.  My vet once described flea eggs as "time release"
devices because they hatch over a long period of time.  He said some may
take more than a year to hatch.  That is one reason why it is so important
to vacuum "every little nook and cranny."

MaryL
Ashley - 29 May 2004 06:23 GMT
> WARNING!!      Flea bombs can be very effective.  However, *read the
> instructions carefully* if you have gas in your house.  Many of the insect
> bombs warn that all pilot lights (central heat, oven, hot water heater, gas
> burning logs in fireplace, etc.) must be turned *off* before using the
> insect cannisters.  If you do use some, look for the kind that are also
> designed to kill the eggs.

Indeed. As with using any dangerous chemicals, read the instructions several
times and make sure you understand them fully and do everything they
instruct.

And also agree about the advice to make sure you know what you're buying.
The reason I chose the one I did was that it specifically stated it would
kill eggs and keep the whole place flea-free for 12 months. I also used
three, as this is a large house and I wanted to make sure I got everything.

Of course, during all this, if you have indoor cats, you will have to find
somewhere else for them (and you) to be. And if you're in an apartment with
limited ventilation  and can't open windows and doors on both sides to
ensure you have at least a couple of hours of good through ventilation
before you bring the cats back, you might be best to find them somewhere to
be overnight. The chemicals are toxic.
Laura R. - 29 May 2004 15:28 GMT
circa 28 May 2004 14:58:13 -0700, in rec.pets.cats, e (bpe999999
@yahoo.com) said,
> Hi all..
>
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>
> -e

A couple of things- first, unless you treat your home as well as your
cat, and if you have carpeting and upholstered furniture, you're
probably not going to eradicate the problem.

Second, have you asked your veterinarian about possibly bringing in
your cat for a flea bath? It seems a lot safer than putting
everything on the market on her to try to get spot treatments to
work.

Laura
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MaryL - 29 May 2004 17:51 GMT
> Hi all..
>
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>
> -e

This just occurred to me:  You said that you moved recently, and you mention
that the previous tenants had several cats and dogs.  Are you renting?  If
so, I think the landlord would have an obligation to bring in a professional
exterminator (but have a *very* serious conversation with the exterminator,
and make sure that the environment will be safe for you and your cat
afterward).  If you purchased the home, then I would check with the realtor
because the previous owners may have a similar obligation (or, at least, an
obligation to reimburse you for the expenses incurred).  In fact, it might
be better -- in either set of circumstances -- for you to make arrangements
to select the exterminator yourself so that you can have more control over
any toxic chemicals that be used.  Even if you have to do it yourself, it is
essential for the entire house to be thoroughly cleaned and action taken to
kill prevent flea eggs from hatching.

MaryL
e - 04 Jun 2004 20:02 GMT
Hi all..

Thanks for all of the advice!

I bought some carpet spray, which seems like it might be helping a
little bit.  I can't really bomb the house because we have a large
saltwater aquarium, and apparently flea bombs can kill fish.

What I plan to do, is have the cat shaved or trimmed because it seems
like that's the only way for Advantage or Frontline to work;
otherwise, it just gets in his long hair (also, he refuses to be
brushed and has some matting on his belly, which is bad/uncomfortable
for him.)

What I'm trying to figure out, and hopefully some of you will have
suggestions, is how short his hair should be. My paranoia is that, if
his hair is shaved off completely (think Sphynx), then with no hair to
hold onto, the fleas won't be able to stay on him long enough for the
Advantage to work, or they'll just jump back into the carpet and bite
me :)

Totally shaven? Leave an inch? Any thoughts? Also, what about a 'lion
cut' rather than completely shaven? Will the fleas just flock to the
still-hairy parts, like his head, tail, and paws? Would that even
matter?

I figure I'll ask the groomer about these things, but I's appreciate
any advice you guys can offer.  Thanks!

Obsessive and flea-bitten :) ,
-e
Ashley - 04 Jun 2004 23:20 GMT
> Hi all..
>
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> little bit.  I can't really bomb the house because we have a large
> saltwater aquarium, and apparently flea bombs can kill fish.

Move it for a day, or ensure it is entirely sealed. You're not going to get
rid of fleas in the house unless you treat the house. Whatever else you do
will be ineffective.
Laura R. - 05 Jun 2004 03:12 GMT
circa Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:20:46 +1200, in rec.pets.cats, Ashley
(ashleyjane@XXXXXxtra.co.nz) said,
> > Hi all..
> >
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> rid of fleas in the house unless you treat the house. Whatever else you do
> will be ineffective.

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Laura
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