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Why am I so fond of cats?
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Sollie Z Gotalotovitz - 08 Apr 2004 20:45 GMT Hello,
I am a 40 year old guy who just suffers total heart-meltdown whenever I see a cat. I can't walk past one without wanting to be friends. I am fond of other animals too, but the sight of a cat has a very profound effect on me. I realise that humans and cats (and other animals too) have had a very symbiotic relationship for many years. But I am curious as to why cats have such a profound effect on me. Can anybody point me to any serious academic studies on why some people are so attracted to cats, but others so dislike them? I've googled without success.
Ted Davis - 08 Apr 2004 21:55 GMT >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >studies on why some people are so attracted to cats, but others so dislike >them? I've googled without success. I can't recall where I read it, but some study found a correlation between pets and personality: tyrants, dictators, and control freaks prefer dogs and tend not to like cats (with the curious exception of V. I. Lenin).
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Magic Mood Jeep? - 09 Apr 2004 01:12 GMT hmmmmmmmmmm - I wonder if that's why the movie industry has decided to give sine if their supervillians cats instead of dogs (Dr. Evil from the Austin Powers series.... The Claw from the Inspector Gadget series, and I'm sure there are more & serious movies at that (not the spoofs that I mentioned), but I can't think of specifics right now)
It's a statement that since they have cats, they are NOT in control, despite what they think?????
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> >Hello, > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." > somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. Ted Davis - 09 Apr 2004 01:56 GMT On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:12:22 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
>hmmmmmmmmmm - I wonder if that's why the movie industry has decided to give >sine if their supervillians cats instead of dogs (Dr. Evil from the Austin [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >It's a statement that since they have cats, they are NOT in control, despite >what they think????? Nobody holding a cat is in control of anything - the cat is in control and knows it. Just try replying to a usenet message with a cat in your lap. Ozy finally decided to let me type. Fluffy is controlling (restricting) the monitor ventilation. If I type too much to suit her, she will come down and stop me.
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Ted Davis - 09 Apr 2004 17:32 GMT On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:12:22 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
>hmmmmmmmmmm - I wonder if that's why the movie industry has decided to give >sine if their supervillians cats instead of dogs (Dr. Evil from the Austin >Powers series.... The Claw from the Inspector Gadget series, and I'm sure >there are more & serious movies at that (not the spoofs that I mentioned), >but I can't think of specifics right now) After thinking about this for a while, I realized that the phycological model seems to be the witch's familiar: cats being possed by the devil make good companions for evil people, and in some fictional cases, the actual source of the evil.
Of course the concept of witch's familiars being cats is a recent myth: familiars could be any small animal, or even any animal at all.
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Charles Minus - 09 Apr 2004 04:17 GMT >>Hello, >>> > I can't recall where I read it, but some study found a correlation > between pets and personality: tyrants, dictators, and control freaks > prefer dogs and tend not to like cats (with the curious exception of > V. I. Lenin). That might be because Lenin was neither tyrant nor dictator. Try reading what he said sometime instead of just repeating what your boy scout leader told you.
> T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) > SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." > somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. Ted Davis - 09 Apr 2004 17:29 GMT >>>Hello, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >what he said sometime instead of just repeating what your boy scout >leader told you. I have read Lenin ... and Marx and Engels.
The curious part is that he had to act a part that wasn't really him. If you are shoved into the bear cage at the circus, you either act the part of a bear tamer or you become lunch for the bears.
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Charles Minus - 10 Apr 2004 03:14 GMT Hi Ted:
Sorry, I got a little testy there. I usually don't do that. I am a big admirer of Lenin. The world could use another such as he about now I think.
But I don't come to this forum to argue politics. I come to get away from all that and devote myself to paying homage to the exalted and benevolent rulers of the universe!
Power to the Cats!
Cheers.
Minus
> I have read Lenin ... and Marx and Engels. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." > somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. Xmar - 10 Apr 2004 00:36 GMT Daz - 11 Apr 2004 01:06 GMT > >Hello, > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > prefer dogs and tend not to like cats (with the curious exception of > V. I. Lenin). LOL And bad guys wear black hats and good guys wear white hats ...
Daz
QBall - 09 Apr 2004 00:02 GMT People who don't like cats are psychotic control freaks. They dislike the idea of an animal not being under their complete control - and worse .... being able to inflict pain when it doesn't submit to their crazed power hunger. OTOH, people who like cats are those who appreciate beauty, elegance, refinement and intuition. I seriously do think it's a control and personality thing for cat-haters. These are the people with ultra-simplistic social hierarchy models and tend to be rigid and undynamic thinkers.
> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > studies on why some people are so attracted to cats, but others so dislike > them? I've googled without success. Earl Lewis - 09 Apr 2004 02:53 GMT I've always wondered whether the cat haters have an ancestoral memory of being hunted by big cats. Also I think it may depend heavily on whether the cat hater's family had a cat for a pet when he was growing up. I don't think it's gender thing, but maybe men tend to be fonder on an animal who is useful. A cat's only useful (besides being a pet) as a mouser. Though that's not to be sneezed at if you're troubled by rodents. I'd really like to see a scientific study done on cat-hating. Budding psychologists have to pick a subject to write a dissertation on, that might be one nobody else has done yet. Earl
M.C. Mullen - 09 Apr 2004 06:49 GMT | I've always wondered whether the cat haters have an ancestoral memory | of being hunted by big cats. Also I think it may depend heavily on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | on, that might be one nobody else has done yet. | Earl I think some cat hatred is actually deep rooted fear. Some people are absolutely t e r r i f i e d by cats. It could be because they are unpredictable - the cats I mean :-). But if you know cats then it's clear that a cat does not harm you as long as you don't bother it. Whereas dogs and horses can be vicious without apparent reason. There some healthy fear is absolutely justified.
Gray asphalt - 10 Apr 2004 08:47 GMT : | I've always wondered whether the cat haters have an ancestoral memory : | of being hunted by big cats. Also I think it may depend heavily on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] : you don't bother it. Whereas dogs and horses can be vicious without apparent : reason. There some healthy fear is absolutely justified. Where did you get the negative idea about horses? I lived and worked on a horse ranch for several years and did not find them to be vicious without reason, at all. They are potentially dangerous but I've never seen one do anything vicious, except for bite and kick without apparent reason... well okay I can see how someone who didn't get to know horses can think they are unpredictable.
QBall - 10 Apr 2004 09:39 GMT > : | I've always wondered whether the cat haters have an ancestoral memory > : | of being hunted by big cats. Also I think it may depend heavily on [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I can see how someone who didn't get to know > horses can think they are unpredictable. He appears to be demonstrating his own point about fear and ignorance.
M.C. Mullen - 11 Apr 2004 08:58 GMT | : | I've always wondered whether the cat haters have an ancestoral memory | : | of being hunted by big cats. Also I think it may depend heavily on [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] | I can see how someone who didn't get to know | horses can think they are unpredictable. I love horses, I've been with them for nearly 40 years. I agree that they are not vicious without reason. But some do have a reason: The ones that squash you against the wall when eating their short food. Or that pony that kicks viciously into men's knees because it has had bad experience, or the shetty that bites because of greed ... What I wanted to say is that with dogs and horses it is good to be cautious and keep a distance. A certain healthy fear is OK. But when people who are not handling cats are just afraid of cats for no reason I do wonder because I can't see a cat harming you. And yet, strange enough, it happens a lot that people are afraid of cats.
Carola
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QBall - 09 Apr 2004 11:57 GMT Yeah, I knew a woman who was AFRAID of cats - and I think it may be fear that's at the root of it. I think the vertical pupils is the key trigger. It may be hard-wired to some extent - but the difficulty with this is that if you're close enough to see the pupils of a sabre-toothed tiger, it would be reasonable to suppose that it would prolly be just be a little too late - thereby eliminating this trait from the gene-pool. Numerous studies have shown that serial killers have a history of torturing animals, as children - and as they grow up, move onto arson and human beings. It may be that people who hat cats, hate all animals .... indeed, all life. Anybody see the recent documentary about the 2% of troops doing 90% of the enemy-killing .... because they're psychopaths. And unlike non-psychopathic humans, they are not wired against killing members of their own species. The documentary showed that war is in fact, mainly about sabre-rattling and intimidating the enemy into backing down - JUST as fighting in other species is .... which is logical because populations in which there was less death from fighting would be advantaged over populations where in which this were not so, by dint of numbers alone. So cat-hating may simply a pointer to some degree psychopathy. And what's throwing things off the scent is the perception that dog-preferrers are also cat-haters, when they're not. They simply prefer dogs and by definition, are not psychopathic.
> I've always wondered whether the cat haters have an ancestoral memory > of being hunted by big cats. Also I think it may depend heavily on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > on, that might be one nobody else has done yet. > Earl Gray asphalt - 10 Apr 2004 08:48 GMT : Yeah, I knew a woman who was AFRAID of cats - and I think it may be fear : that's at the root of it. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] : > on, that might be one nobody else has done yet. : > Earl And although it's no reason to hate cats, allergies can make one dislike being around them.
Gray asphalt - 10 Apr 2004 08:45 GMT : I've always wondered whether the cat haters have an ancestoral memory : of being hunted by big cats. Also I think it may depend heavily on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : on, that might be one nobody else has done yet. : Earl Some very rational guys act as if cat-hating was funny and a manly thing to do. It's not easy to be that callous when you've been around cats long enough to get to know one.
Daz - 11 Apr 2004 01:36 GMT > People who don't like cats are psychotic control freaks. > They dislike the idea of an animal not being under their complete control - [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > These are the people with ultra-simplistic social hierarchy models and tend > to be rigid and undynamic thinkers. You I assume are from the UK and will, I assume, understand this .... Bollocks!!! I have never read such a tirade of absolute drivel since Margaret Thatcher proclaimed herself to be all powerful when she said "As God once said, and I think rightly..." (now there WAS a power crazed psychotic control freak who owned a cat) Your assumptions, if they are your own, border on the farcical, you are entitled to an opinion but maybe it would be better posted to alt.jokes.
Daz
Gray asphalt - 10 Apr 2004 08:43 GMT : Hello, : [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : studies on why some people are so attracted to cats, but others so dislike : them? I've googled without success. And why are cats fond of you? They won't release the results of studies of humans. It's a trade secret, ever since the Egyptians started burying cats with the pharaohs. Seriously, cats are smarter in some ways. One way is how to express affection and read others body language and to change their actions quickly to reflect their keen perception of changing environments.
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