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Newbie - 06 May 2008 05:36 GMT [A very sweet stray or runaway cat has adopted us and we, ignorant of all cat issues, are in panic. That's why I have a few posts each with a question.]
Food questions -
By reading around I figured canned is regarded better. So went and bought some. But...
How many times do you feed a cat?
Where in Chicago area is the best place to buy canned cat food?
I was shocked by price jump at my nearby Petsmart. A small can of a particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both "sale" prices, so comparison is apples to apples.
studio - 06 May 2008 05:56 GMT > By reading around I figured canned is regarded better. So went and > bought some. But... Different people do different things as far as acquiring food for their cat. Personally, I feed my cat both dry and wet canned food.
> How many times do you feed a cat? Personally, I feed kitty one small 3oz. can of wet food per day. She can snack on kibbles the rest of the day as much as she wants. If it's a larger male cat, they'll obviously want a bit more to eat.
> Where in Chicago area is the best place to buy canned cat food? Supermarkets. But if you want a larger variety to choose from, pet stores or animal feed stores.
> I was shocked by price jump at my nearby Petsmart. A small can of a > particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both > "sale" prices, so comparison is apples to apples. Yes, it seems not just human food is going up in price. I buy Fancy Feast for kitty and just noticed it had rose in price from .51 cents to .55 cents. That's a low-mid-priced wet food for 3oz.
Okay, so she eats good for a full week on about $5. worth of food.
Some of the premium brands can cost .80 - $1.15 per 3oz can.
Sometimes it's just a matter of what you can afford though.
William Graham - 06 May 2008 06:05 GMT "Newbie" <newbie@no.spam> wrote in message >
I was shocked by price jump at my nearby Petsmart. A small can of a
> particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both > "sale" prices, so comparison is apples to apples. Petsmart has pretty high prices for pet chow....I suggest supermarkets, and look through several of them for your best buys....We generally pay less than 30 cents a can, (at Winco) but places like Safeway charge over 50 cents a can, so you have to shop around. We buy 5 lb. bags of dry food, so the cats don't get tired of any one flavor too fast....They like to steal it, so we just leave the bag on the kitchen floor, where they tear into it in the middle of the night....:^)
dgk - 06 May 2008 13:26 GMT >[A very sweet stray or runaway cat has adopted us and we, ignorant of >all cat issues, are in panic. That's why I have a few posts each with a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both >"sale" prices, so comparison is apples to apples. There is a difference in quality in pet foods, and generally, as in life, you get what you pay for. While debates florish, my cats have smaller and less stinky poops using Wellness or one of the many premium brands than Friskees or other crap. My three cats all like Pro Plan Salmon and Rice; especially the really finicky one (Espy) who is my favorite, so that's what they get.
They split a 3 oz can in the morning and a 6 oz can in the evening. Plus I leave out some dry Pro Plan Salmon and Rice (yes, it comes both wet and dry), and some Royal Canin #26, which Espy ikes.
I can't imagine why anything jumped from 37 to 69 but that is not normal. Pricing mistake I would think. Small can do have a much higher unit cost than larger cans though.
Grandpa Chuck - 06 May 2008 19:55 GMT >>[A very sweet stray or runaway cat has adopted us and we, ignorant of >>all cat issues, are in panic. That's why I have a few posts each with a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >normal. Pricing mistake I would think. Small can do have a much higher >unit cost than larger cans though. Our vet says that cats and dog fed only canned foods have a much higher rate of dental problems.
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Upscale - 06 May 2008 13:38 GMT "Newbie" <newbie@no.spam> wrote in message
> I was shocked by price jump at my nearby Petsmart. A small can of a > particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both > "sale" prices, so comparison is apples to apples. First, you're going to have to find out what your cat will eat. Some cats are very picky, like my cat. She will *only* eat kibble. I've tried all sorts of canned stuff, it was a waste of money. For awhile I was buying Iams eight pound bags of kibble, but eventually I switched to the twenty pound bags available at Petsmart. It meant almost a 50% savings by buying in bulk. I give my 12 pound kitty approximately one cup every evening, which approximates the amount suggested on the bag for a cat of her size. If she runs out of kibble before that, it's guaranteed that she will let me know her food tray is empty.
Sherry - 06 May 2008 17:54 GMT I am in the Chicago area and I usually get the best price by purchasing a 32 can box of canned food at Target. My two former strays share a can (they like the stuff that is "in gravy" - each gets a dish with a half can plus a few tablespoons of water) in the morning and then I free feed dry food, which is always available.
> [A very sweet stray or runaway cat has adopted us and we, ignorant of > all cat issues, are in panic. That's why I have a few posts each with a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both > "sale" prices, so comparison is apples to apples. Newbie - 06 May 2008 20:07 GMT : I am in the Chicago area and I usually get the best price by : purchasing a 32 can box of canned food at Target. My two former : strays share a can (they like the stuff that is "in gravy" - each gets : a dish with a half can plus a few tablespoons of water) Thanks, and neat trick. Good way to make them drink some water. I suppose it is easier to do this with gravy than with "pate" type food.
William Graham - 06 May 2008 20:22 GMT > : I am in the Chicago area and I usually get the best price by > : purchasing a 32 can box of canned food at Target. My two former [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks, and neat trick. Good way to make them drink some water. I > suppose it is easier to do this with gravy than with "pate" type food. I mix a little hot water in almost all the canned foods I feed my cats.....It is usually cold in the morning when I first open the can, and the hot water warms it up a bit, and makes a little, "gravy" for them to enjoy......
Upscale - 06 May 2008 20:30 GMT "Newbie" <newbie@no.spam> wrote in message
> Thanks, and neat trick. Good way to make them drink some water. I > suppose it is easier to do this with gravy than with "pate" type food. I wouldn't really look at it as "making them drink some water". Cat's can and should regulate their own water intake and you should have on hand at all times a bowl of fresh water. I bought and use a self regulating water bowl that holds approximate three quarts of water. I replace all the water in it about twice a week making sure to clean out the scraps of kibble bits that my kitty transfers from her food bowl to the water bowl.
Here are the water/feed bowls that I use. http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2751255
Grandpa Chuck - 06 May 2008 19:53 GMT >[A very sweet stray or runaway cat has adopted us and we, ignorant of >all cat issues, are in panic. That's why I have a few posts each with a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both >"sale" prices, so comparison is apples to apples. We currently have two grown cats. A spayed female and a neutered male. They are both nearly ten years old. We have NEVER allowed them outside. Partially because we live on a very busy four lane street, but also it has been proven they live longer if they do not go outside.
We have always used nothing but dry food. Right now we are using Purina Cat Chow for indoor cats, but in the past we have used Science Diet and Euchanuba. Other than price we see no difference and neither do the cats.
We have three large cat pans in the basement and there is a swinging cat door for them to go through to get down there. We use a multiple cat clumping litter and it works very well.
My personal feeling is that anyone that lets their cats run outside doesn't really care about them. There are far too many feral cats carrying all kinds of diseases and many of them want to fight and will do irreparable damage to tame cats. There are also tray dogs, coyotes, raccoons, owls, hawks and other wild animals that view a loose cat as prey. We also have three dogs and they do not go out without us being with them. I am sure if you ask the vet he/she will tell you that cats that are allowed to run have a life expectancy of only about 50% of those who are not.
Good luck to you and your new found pet.
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William Graham - 06 May 2008 20:30 GMT "Grandpa Chuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote in message >
My personal feeling is that anyone that lets their cats run outside
> doesn't really care about them. Your personal feeling is wrong. There are many cat lovers who, like myself, let their cats run free. We care about our cats as much as anyone does. My personal feeling is that there are too many people in this world who make too many uninformed evaluations of other people based not on personal knowledge, but on personal bias. You can make judgments about me only after you have spent a lifetime walking in my shoes........If you were a farmer, would you keep all your sheep in your living room? They would be safe from the coyotes there, and live longer.
Grandpa Chuck - 07 May 2008 04:29 GMT I just knew I was going to be flamed for what I said, but it is what I believe as does our veterinarian.
>"Grandpa Chuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote in message > > >My personal feeling is that anyone that lets their cats run outside >> doesn't really care about them. > >Your personal feeling is wrong. And who gave you permission to say my personal feelings are wrong? They may not agree with yours, but I have as much right to my views as you do. Also here in Cedar Rapids we have a leash law that pertains to cats as much as it does to dogs. If a cat runs loose and animal control sees it and catches it they take to the animal control shelter. There it will cost you over seventy dollars per day. They will keep it a week and then put it up for adoption. If it is not adopted for a week it is put down...
> There are many cat lovers who, like myself, >let their cats run free. I know there are. Does that make right? Do you like song birds? Do you have any idea how many are killed by cats
> We care about our cats as much as anyone does. My >personal feeling is that there are too many people in this world who make >too many uninformed evaluations of other people based not on personal >knowledge, but on personal bias. Ask your veterinarian what he/she thinks about cats being allowed to roam free.
> You can make judgments about me only after >you have spent a lifetime walking in my shoes. I am not the one that will make that judgment here. Animal Control officers will if they find the cat. Do you not have any predators in your area that will take a cat? How about traffic on your street? We live on a busy four lane street with a 35mph speed limit. Care to guess how many cats I have seen dead in the street?
>......If you were a farmer, >would you keep all your sheep in your living room? They would be safe from >the coyotes there, and live longer. LOL Sheep are livestock raised for wool and meat. Cats that are pets are not. Farm cats that live in the barns are outdoor cats and help with rodent control.
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William Graham - 07 May 2008 20:29 GMT >I just knew I was going to be flamed for what I said, but it is what I > believe as does our veterinarian. I have absolutely no objection to what you believe. Nor do I to anything your vet believes. My objection is to your absolute statement that assumes that others do not love their pets as do you, simply because they don't treat them as you do. IOW, you are not only willing to believe that what you do is the only right thing to do, but that all others should do the same, regardless of their history or circumstances......You don't have enough imagination to realize that there might be other people in this world that do not live on your street, and have your cats, and don't have to treat them as you do yours. You are the kind of people who would make laws forcing everyone else to live as you do. - I call people who think like this, "liberals", and it is my sworn duty to call them on almost everything they say. Their thought processes are the antithesis of freedom. Their endpoint is a padded cell for everyone, to keep everyone, "safe". Their belief is that the endpoint of life is to live forever, regardless of the quality of life. An extra year or two justifies 80 years of misery to them. - Which is OK......For them. But I only object to them forcing their lifestyle on me. - I don't believe that the purpose of life is to exist for as long as possible, even if it's in misery. I would rather laugh for 5 minutes, than be miserable for a hundred years, and all I ask of you is that you give me (and my pets) that privilege.
Grandpa Chuck - 08 May 2008 04:21 GMT >>I just knew I was going to be flamed for what I said, but it is what I >> believe as does our veterinarian. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >do is the only right thing to do, but that all others should do the same, >regardless of their history or circumstances. Yes, if they want their beloved cats to live long and healthy lives.
>.....You don't have enough >imagination to realize that there might be other people in this world that >do not live on your street, and have your cats, and don't have to treat them >as you do yours. You are the kind of people who would make laws forcing >everyone else to live as you do. You could not be more wrong in that statement if you tried. I believe everyone has a right to live as they want so long as their life choices do not harm others.
> - I call people who think like this, >"liberals", and it is my sworn duty to call them on almost everything they >say. I am very proud to call myself a liberal if you go by the dictionary definition of liberal. You can thank the Christian Fundamentalists and the two-bit hack actor who was our president for eight long years for that.
>Their thought processes are the antithesis of freedom. Quite the opposite is true. I believe very strongly in our Constitution and Bill of Rights which Bush, Cheney and Rove have attempted to gut.
> Their endpoint >is a padded cell for everyone, to keep everyone, "safe". Their belief is >that the endpoint of life is to live forever, regardless of the quality of >life. An extra year or two justifies 80 years of misery to them. - Which is >OK......For them. That is utter bullshit!!!
> But I only object to them forcing their lifestyle on me. I would not presume to do anything of the kind. Try walking a mile or two in my shoes. I failed to mention last night that there is also a pretty high fine for allowing a dog or cat to run loose. Want to know why? Because the majority of citizen demanded it due to all the damage done peoples property, to wildlife and to each other.
> - >I don't believe that the purpose of life is to exist for as long as >possible, even if it's in misery. "Misery?" I lived in Hell for a number of years trying to find peace in a bottle. I realized that I had lost all self-respect and for me to continue would be to die. I made a U-turn and found a life filled with peace, serenity and joy.
Back to cats: Have you ever seen a cat after it has been attacked by another cat? I have. It is not a pretty site. Our cats are very happy and love to frolic and play. My Siamese cat lived 22 years. He went blind when he was 8 years old. How long would he have survived if we had let him outside? Our calico lived 18 years.
>I would rather laugh for 5 minutes, than >be miserable for a hundred years, I agree. I laugh many times every single day. So what's your point?
> and all I ask of you is that you give me >(and my pets) that privilege. Your pets do not have any choice at all in the matter except what you impose on them.
Tell me please. Do you think this conversation is going to change your opinion or mine? I don't. How much satisfaction have you gotten by insulting me and attempting to put me down? I expect none whatever.
Live long and prosper. May the force be with you.
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William Graham - 08 May 2008 21:41 GMT >>>I just knew I was going to be flamed for what I said, but it is what I >>> believe as does our veterinarian. [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > Live long and prosper. > May the force be with you. In that case, don't say that I don't love my cats as much as you love yours.....You can't possibly know that.
Grandpa Chuck - 09 May 2008 02:54 GMT <snipped for space>
>> Your pets do not have any choice at all in the matter except what you >> impose on them. >> >> Tell me please. Do you think this conversation is going to change your >> opinion or mine? I don't. How much satisfaction have you gotten by >> insulting me and attempting to put me down? I expect none whatever.
>In that case, don't say that I don't love my cats as much as you love >yours.....You can't possibly know that. You are right, I can't. However I can tell you some people here have been charged with animal cruelty for allowing their cats or dogs to run free. I assume you also know the life expectancy of cats that allowed to roam is half that of cats that are strictly house cats. You do have them all spayed or neutered, don't you? I just don't know how you can claim to love your cats and then let them roam outside where they may be injured or killed by predators or traffic and where they are much more apt to contract very serious diseases. But then you go ahead and blithely allow your cats to run free outside killing song birds, squirrels, etc.
May the force be with you.
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William Graham - 09 May 2008 03:44 GMT > <snipped for space> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ahead and blithely allow your cats to run free outside killing song > birds, squirrels, etc. There are many reasons, all of which I have enumerated several times on this forum. Dogs here are not allowed to run free, but there is no such law with cats. I live on the edge of town, with a huge Christmas tree farm behind my property. I have five cats. I got none of them as kittens....They were all outside cats that just wandered in from somewhere else, or who were given to me by others who could not keep them for various reasons. I picked one up in a Burger King parking lot, where he was living on French fries and onion rings and anything else that people threw at him. None of my cats were raised as "indoor" cats, and it would be impossible for me to keep five indoor cats in my present circumstances. They have cat doors that lead both to the front and the back. I live on a dead end street, and they are just as safe in the front as in the back. I also feed birds, squirrels and raccoons, as well as an occasional possum. The cats get along well with these animals, although they do occasionally catch a bird. But the number of birds I feed every year more than makes up for the two or three a year that my cats manage to catch. i.e.: The birds are way ahead. I live near a river, and there are some birds that are big enough to be a danger to my cats. The cats, although free to go wherever they please, seldom leave the property. Only one was feral, and now that he is fixed, he never goes anywhere anymore. Two of my cats are gregarious enough to visit other houses on the block, and all the neighbors know them and watch out for them. Several of the dogs on the block occasionally get free, or are allowed to run free while their owners are mowing their lawns, etc, but they too get along well with my cats. One of my cats, in fact, came from a neighbor across the street who has two dogs. She couldn't stand the dogs, so she moved in with my wife and myself. But even she, occasionally goes back to her old house to visit. Two of my cats wait by the mailbox after the mail is delivered in order to visit with the neighbors when they come to pick up their mail. (The mail boxes are across the street from us) It's true that our cats are not as safe as they would be were they trapped indoors all the time. But they are nearly as safe, and with my schedule, it would be impossible for me to keep them inside 100% of the time. As it is, they take up a lot of my time (and my wife's time) taking care of them. We have a roving vet check them all out periodically, and one of them cost me over $800 to have a hairball removed from her stomach earlier this year.
Grandpa Chuck - 09 May 2008 18:32 GMT >There are many reasons, all of which I have enumerated several times on this >forum. Dogs here are not allowed to run free, but there is no such law with [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >have a roving vet check them all out periodically, and one of them cost me >over $800 to have a hairball removed from her stomach earlier this year. There is no doubt you have the ideal environment for you, your wife and the kitties. Allow me to envy you a bit for living on a dead end street. The cars and trucks that go past our house number in the thousands every single day
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AMUN - 10 May 2008 22:11 GMT Aw geeeez.
Will somebody finally refer to the CAT KILLER thread ! Those 300 cats sure as heck would have been better off had they been running around outside.
Rather than being kept INDOORS in a freezer.
>>There are many reasons, all of which I have enumerated several times on >>this [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > THE ALL CAPS IS NOT INTENTIONAL AND NOT MEANT TO BE SHOUTING > IT WILL FIX ITSELF PRETTY SOON) Matilda - 07 May 2008 02:47 GMT > [A very sweet stray or runaway cat has adopted us and we, ignorant of > all cat issues, are in panic. That's why I have a few posts each with a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both > "sale" prices, so comparison is apples to apples. If the price jump in cat food is something that is of concern to you - when it comes to having children - think long and hard!
cshenk - 07 May 2008 03:28 GMT >> I was shocked by price jump at my nearby Petsmart. A small can of a >> particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both >> "sale" prices, so comparison is apples to apples. > > If the price jump in cat food is something that is of concern to you - > when it comes to having children - think long and hard! Grin, I'm with ya! WOW. Kids never were cheap but gosh it's changed! Meantime I have 4 kids. One is 14 with brown hair and loves DS2 games, one is 2YO and a 45lb fellow who looks like a tan beagle and barks for food at 6pm on the dot if I'm not in the kitchen, and one is 12 lbs and white and meows alot for food.
Oh, missed one. He's 55yo and gray and barks or meows for food on a regular basis ;-)
Carol
Nicolaas Hawkins - 07 May 2008 09:26 GMT >>> I was shocked by price jump at my nearby Petsmart. A small can of a >>> particular brand cost 37 cents one day and then jumped to 69, both [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Carol Hi, Carol!
Remember me from the FidoNet cooking echo, or as N771C?
Good lord! Is your girl 14 already (and is she still starvilating occasionally :-))? My, how tempus doth fugit - and some!
Are you still doing the navy thing? Last I heard was when you were doing a tour of duty in Japan as a Senior CPO.
Reply privately if you wish - my E-Mail address is good.
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cshenk - 07 May 2008 20:35 GMT "Nicolaas Hawkins" wrote cshenk wrote in
>> Grin, I'm with ya! WOW. Kids never were cheap but gosh it's changed! >> Meantime I have 4 kids. One is 14 with brown hair and loves DS2 games, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Remember me from the FidoNet cooking echo, or as N771C? Hey! We miss you there! Still alive and kicking!
> Good lord! Is your girl 14 already (and is she still starvilating > occasionally :-))? My, how tempus doth fugit - and some! Oh yes! She's taller than me too <happy grumble>.
> Are you still doing the navy thing? Last I heard was when you were doing > a tour of duty in Japan as a Senior CPO. Yup, came back at last in October this past year. On my last year before retirement now. Now that we are back, I have pets again. 2 from the local rescue center. 1 Dog who had heartworms (we knew and no one else was going to adopt him it seems) and a cat who spent 18 months trying to find a home (we were her first applicant). xxcarol
Rene S. - 08 May 2008 16:39 GMT I don't think anyone addressed the OP's question of how often to feed canned food. Generally, twice a day, about 12 hours apart is best. If you are an hour or two off, it's not a big deal.
William Graham - 08 May 2008 21:50 GMT >I don't think anyone addressed the OP's question of how often to feed > canned food. Generally, twice a day, about 12 hours apart is best. If > you are an hour or two off, it's not a big deal. My cats let me know by migrating to the kitchen floor and waiting.....And yes.....It happens about twice a day.....
Upscale - 08 May 2008 22:01 GMT "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
> My cats let me know by migrating to the kitchen floor and waiting.....And > yes.....It happens about twice a day..... My cat is more insidious than that. She starts yowling when her food bowl is *almost* empty.
Ivor Jones - 09 May 2008 08:38 GMT In news:625ee$4823698b$cef88bc5$24223@TEKSAVVY.COM, Upscale <upscale@teksavvy.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
: "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message : > My cats let me know by migrating to the kitchen floor and : > waiting.....And yes.....It happens about twice a day..... : : My cat is more insidious than that. She starts yowling when her food : bowl is *almost* empty. My Missy is worse than that. She telepathically *knows* when anyone in the house even *thinks* of going to the kitchen to make a cup of coffee or whatever and is waiting by her food bowl when you arrive..! However many times a day that may be.
Oh, she never *finishes* what's in there, she eats half of it (wet from pouches usually) and then lets the rest go dry and inedible, then complains as though nobody ever feeds her..!
Ivor
Nicolaas Hawkins - 09 May 2008 10:25 GMT > In news:625ee$4823698b$cef88bc5$24223@TEKSAVVY.COM, > Upscale <upscale@teksavvy.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > pouches usually) and then lets the rest go dry and inedible, then > complains as though nobody ever feeds her..! So feed her less at a time. Not exactly rocket science.
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AMUN - 10 May 2008 22:15 GMT >> In news:625ee$4823698b$cef88bc5$24223@TEKSAVVY.COM, >> Upscale <upscale@teksavvy.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > So feed her less at a time. Not exactly rocket science. This is the reason God invented Kibble.
Ivor Jones - 11 May 2008 00:35 GMT In news:g0539i$pdo$1@aioe.org, AMUN <spamblocker@dumbaswisconsincows.net> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:
: > On Fri, 9 May 2008 08:38:53 +0100, Ivor Jones [snip]
: >> My Missy is worse than that. She telepathically *knows* when : >> anyone in the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] : : This is the reason God invented Kibble. True, but it's not wise to feed too much kibble to cats that are known to have urinary problems. Missy has had cystitis a couple of times and as she's not getting any younger (she's 14 this year) I don't like giving her too much.
Ivor
AMUN - 11 May 2008 01:05 GMT > In news:g0539i$pdo$1@aioe.org, > AMUN <spamblocker@dumbaswisconsincows.net> typed, for some strange, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Ivor I'm not sure where you got the info on a tie-in with kibble and urinary problems. But you do have to make sure they have plenty of fresh water available as well. We leave several 4 quart plastic (old ice cream) containers full of water at various locations around the house, so they never have to go far for a sip. We also dump, rinse, and refill them with fresh water every day.
We have always just left out bowl(s) of kibble for the cats that get refilled as soon as half is gone. The cats regulate their own food intake, and when they know it's always going to be there they never gorge themselves, but nibble at it several times a day. This also allows several cats to use one dish of food, without any blood being shed.
Never had any overweight problems other than the normal fattening up every winter, but as soon as spring hits they lose the weight, and are lean all summer long. And actually go out an hunt most of their own food when the weather is nice, so the kibble lasts forever..
Grandpa Chuck - 09 May 2008 02:56 GMT >>I don't think anyone addressed the OP's question of how often to feed >> canned food. Generally, twice a day, about 12 hours apart is best. If >> you are an hour or two off, it's not a big deal. > >My cats let me know by migrating to the kitchen floor and waiting.....And >yes.....It happens about twice a day..... Ours eat from a feeder whenever they like. Of course we do not feed canned food to our dogs or cats.
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I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price.
On May 6, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4072. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 136
William Graham - 09 May 2008 03:47 GMT >>>I don't think anyone addressed the OP's question of how often to feed >>> canned food. Generally, twice a day, about 12 hours apart is best. If [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ours eat from a feeder whenever they like. Of course we do not feed > canned food to our dogs or cats. Mine get an infinite supply of water and kibbles, but they also get canned food and milk whenever they make it a point to specifically ask for it....:^)
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