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Leon - 23 Apr 2008 13:36 GMT
Hi,

I have four cats, the mother and three offspring. The young ones are
almost six months old now, yet two of them still tries to suckle on the
mom, and one tries to suckle on any available cat brother or sister.

What causes this?
Is it normal?

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Ted Davis - 23 Apr 2008 13:46 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> What causes this?
> Is it normal?

Yes. Some aspects of that behavior, especially kneading, often continue
for a lifetime.  Mamals are programmed to perceive this - both sides - as
pleasurable.

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Leon - 23 Apr 2008 20:28 GMT
Ted Davis blurted:

>> Hi,
>>
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> for a lifetime.  Mamals are programmed to perceive this - both sides -
> as pleasurable.

So my cats actually _enjoy_ this? SUckling on his brother...? So which
one of the two is homosexual? Or am I misunderstanding this...

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Ted Davis - 23 Apr 2008 21:10 GMT
> Ted Davis blurted:
>
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> So my cats actually _enjoy_ this? SUckling on his brother...? So which one
> of the two is homosexual? Or am I misunderstanding this...

You are misunderstanding - the behavior is completely asexual and doesn't
even have much to do with bonding, since cats will knead inanimate
objects.  It's just about stimulating pleasure centers in their brains.

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Leon - 24 Apr 2008 07:13 GMT
Ted Davis blurted:

>> Ted Davis blurted:
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> inanimate objects.  It's just about stimulating pleasure centers in
> their brains.

Oh, okay. Sorry if I misunderstood you. So the cats are *kneading*(I take
that to be what I call "suckling", english is not my first language)
purely for stimulation? Pleasure?

I'm a new cat owner, so sorry if I come across "inexperienced", which I
am actually. The only reason I have four cats is because I misjudged the
mom's age ( I found her in a tree as a kitten), and before I could have
her neutered she was pregnant.

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Ted Davis - 24 Apr 2008 14:44 GMT
> Ted Davis blurted:
>
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> that to be what I call "suckling", english is not my first language)
> purely for stimulation? Pleasure?

Kneading is what you do to bread dough - it's done with the paws.
Suckling is the mouth action part of nursing behavior.  Both are part of
nursing behavior: the kitten kneads his mother to stimulate milk flow
while suckling actually gets the milk.  Mammals are programmed to find
these actions pleasurable so that they will do them as often as possible
and grow as fast as possible.  When they grow up and are weaned, the
pleasure of the actions doesn't go away, the mother just refuses to allow
herself to be the object of them.  While actual suckling is likely to
disappear with time because it no longer results in milk, kneading may
continue because it is a pleasure in itself.  This is obvious from the
purring and liik of satisfaction seen in adult cats when they are kneading
a person, another cat, or the bed sheets.

> I'm a new cat owner, so sorry if I come across "inexperienced", which I
> am actually. The only reason I have four cats is because I misjudged the
> mom's age ( I found her in a tree as a kitten), and before I could have
> her neutered she was pregnant.

That happens, and it costs more to have them neutered when pregnant - if
the vet will do it and the pregnancy is not too advanced.

I have fifteen cats (all neutered) at the moment, and have been living
with cats for about thirty years - I have seen just about every behavior
that cats are capable of, including a couple of unexpected pregnancies.

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Leon - 27 Apr 2008 08:02 GMT
Ted Davis blurted:

>> Ted Davis blurted:
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> That happens, and it costs more to have them neutered when pregnant - if
> the vet will do it and the pregnancy is not too advanced.

Why would you want your cat neutered when pregnant? That's ranging on
abortion, sicko.

> I have fifteen cats (all neutered) at the moment, and have been living
> with cats for about thirty years - I have seen just about every behavior
> that cats are capable of, including a couple of unexpected pregnancies.

Did you terminate those too? I suppose if you live with cats for 30
years, it's to be expected that your behaviour might be a little odd.

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Ohmster - 01 May 2008 03:34 GMT
> Kneading is what you do to bread dough - it's done with the paws.
> Suckling is the mouth action part of nursing behavior.  Both are part
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> adult cats when they are kneading a person, another cat, or the bed
> sheets.

Cindy  got Mittens on video tape while she was "making bread" (Kneeding)
and it is so cute to watch. Perhaps you will like it too.
http://www.ohmster.com/~ohmster/video/mittenspaws.wmv

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Baldoni - 01 May 2008 20:09 GMT
Ted Davis explained on 24/04/2008 :

>> Ted Davis blurted:
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> purring and liik of satisfaction seen in adult cats when they are kneading
> a person, another cat, or the bed sheets.

I understand what you are saying.

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Robert Bodling - 04 May 2008 14:12 GMT
How old is a kiten when it stops nursing of it's mother. ands will it be
welcomed home if a stray kiten is handled by a human when it's only a month
or so old?
Baldoni - 01 May 2008 20:06 GMT
Ted Davis pretended :

>> Hi,
>>
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> for a lifetime.  Mamals are programmed to perceive this - both sides - as
> pleasurable.

That is interesting and the kneading is OK but the other thing becomes
a bit of a pisser.

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Ted Davis - 01 May 2008 21:26 GMT
> Ted Davis pretended :
>>
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> That is interesting and the kneading is OK but the other thing becomes a
> bit of a pisser.

Why should it bother you?  Cats are not humans and humans simply do not
understand cats nearly as well as they understand us.  If their behavior
doesn't affect you directly, and isn't destructive or dangerous, it's
probably best to just let them alone.  Personally, I can't stand for a cat
to lick me (interestingly enough, the lickers are also the most vocal cats
in my clowder), but cats licking other cats is simply social behavior -
it's social behavior toward me too, but I just don't like the rough wet
tounge on my skin.

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Robert Bodling - 04 May 2008 14:06 GMT
How old is it when a young kiten starts to eat on it's own?

>> Hi,
>>
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> for a lifetime.  Mamals are programmed to perceive this - both sides - as
> pleasurable.
Baldoni - 01 May 2008 20:05 GMT
Leon explained on 23/04/2008 :
> Hi,
>
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> What causes this?
> Is it normal?

I got a cat that is about 16 months old and he is still doing that
stuff with me.  He creeps up when I am asleep and his claws dig in and
hurt like hell.  He is way too old for this.

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Ted Davis - 01 May 2008 21:28 GMT
> Leon explained on 23/04/2008 :
>> Hi,
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> with me.  He creeps up when I am asleep and his claws dig in and hurt like
> hell.  He is way too old for this.

Spooky is over twenty years old and he still kneads.  His claws are so
deformed now that they don't have points and so don't hurt.

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Robert Bodling - 04 May 2008 14:19 GMT
Well... have him declawed... then his claws won't hurt... :-)

> Leon explained on 23/04/2008 :
>> Hi,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> with me.  He creeps up when I am asleep and his claws dig in and hurt like
> hell.  He is way too old for this.
Ted Davis - 04 May 2008 16:26 GMT
> Well... have him declawed... then his claws won't hurt... :-)

Curious: a troll who didn't add a number of unrelated newsgroups to the
Newsgroups: header.

His claws won't hurt *you*, but phantom pain in amputees is well
documented, and declawing *is* amputation.

Flames to /dev/null.

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used to be UMR (University of Missouri - Rolla).

Baldoni - 06 May 2008 18:09 GMT
Robert Bodlingafter his three day drunk wrote :
> Well... have him declawed... then his claws won't hurt... :-)

I would sooner cut my own throat than do that.  ;-)

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