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Cat Forum / General Topics / April 2008How to keep a cat inside
My cat was knocked down about 4 months ago and received a fractured pelvis. Fortunately he has made a good recovery after a few very worrying weeks when I thought I might lose him. Since the accident I have kept him in because I don't want him to get hurt again and I would be worried all the time he was out. I also don't want any more expensive vet bills. The problem is he seems to be getting more and more restless pacing about and meowing a lot. He always seems worse when he wants the toilet he doesn't seem to like using the trays much. I know a lot of ppl advocate not letting them out, but it's not that easy. I thought he would get used to it and not miss going out , but he seems to be getting worse. Any suggestions? Any one else had this problem? > My cat was knocked down about 4 months ago and received a fractured > pelvis. Fortunately he has made a good recovery after a few very [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but he seems to be getting worse. Any suggestions? Any one else had > this problem? Resist your cat's pleas to go outside and eventually he will give up. You felt bad when he got hit the first time. The guilt you'll feel the next time when he gets hit and killed will haunt you forever. Just be strong and he will get over it. > <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the next time when he gets hit and killed will haunt you forever > Just be strong and he will get over it. Just shoot the damn thing and get it over with. On Mar 29, 6:50 pm, jottl...@yahoo.com wrote: > > <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Just shoot the damn thing and get it over with.- Hide quoted text - I bet your the type of person that deliberately runs over cats and then wonders why there car gets vandalised and you get stones thrown through your windows. > - Show quoted text - On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com" <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 29, 6:50 pm, jottl...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - Sorry about that post....just getting back at that Professor character who likes to stalk me into other groups...MY BAD....We have 3 cats, 3 dogs and 5 horses so I wouldn't be running over anything...although I wish the possums moved a little bit faster... > On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com" > <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > dogs and 5 horses so I wouldn't be running over anything...although I > wish the possums moved a little bit faster... You're kidding, right? You think you can now salvage something here after telling David to shoot his cat? Get lost and don't come back. On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com" <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 29, 6:50 pm, jottl...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - unfortunately we lost one this summer to a coyote....... > <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Resist your cat's pleas to go outside and eventually he will give up. This is what I thought, but he seems to be getting worse if any thing. Pa-sing around like a caged tiger and meawing it can get very annoying. > You felt bad when he got hit the first time. The guilt you'll feel > the next time when he gets hit and killed will haunt you forever. > Just be strong and he will get over it. > My cat was knocked down about 4 months ago and received a fractured > pelvis. Fortunately he has made a good recovery after a few very [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but he seems to be getting worse. Any suggestions? Any one else had > this problem? Not to overlook the obvious: has kitty been neutered? > davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com wrote: > > My cat was knocked down about 4 months ago and received a fractured [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Not to overlook the obvious: has kitty been neutered? Yes he has. > My cat was knocked down about 4 months ago and received a fractured > pelvis. Fortunately he has made a good recovery after a few very [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but he seems to be getting worse. Any suggestions? Any one else had > this problem? I would just like to suggest that if you no longer let him out, then the lesson he learned by getting hurt will be useless.....I have 5 cats, and they are all outside cats. If I had to keep them inside, then I would have to get rid of them......It would be impossible for me to do. Sure, they will have a better chance of getting hurt by being outside, but I have eaten like there was no tomorrow all of my life, and drank, and smoked, and womanized, and otherwise paid little or no attention to my health, and yet I am 72, and not feeling too well now, but I wouldn't have had it any other way. - It was well worth it. So, I will apply the same philosophy to my cats. They too, like all of us, will eventually die, and once dead, they (and I) will be dead forever. We might as well enjoy life while we have it, whether that's for a century or a day......Compare a century to the 30 Billion years or more that the universe has been here......It's just a drop in the bucket of time. Why try to live forever and be miserable? >> My cat was knocked down about 4 months ago and received a fractured >> pelvis. Fortunately he has made a good recovery after a few very [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I would just like to suggest that if you no longer let him out, then the > lesson he learned by getting hurt will be useless Cats "learn lessons"? > .....I have 5 cats, and > they are all outside cats. If I had to keep them inside, then I would have > to get rid of them......It would be impossible for me to do. Sure, they will > have a better chance of getting hurt by being outside, but I have eaten like > there was no tomorrow all of my life, and drank, and smoked, and womanized, > and otherwise paid little or no attention to my health, and yet I am 72, Cool, 10 years older than I am, but it seems to me, I learned a long time ago, cats do not learn lessons. > and not feeling too well now, > but I wouldn't have had it any other way. - It was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > more that the universe has been here......It's just a drop in the bucket of > time. Why try to live forever and be miserable? This part I agree with. Well, except no one thinks the universe it 30 billion years old. The part we know about looks like it's about 15 billion years old. And I keep myself in shape. Still going strong so far. Letting cats outside in traffic is another matter. They don't learn lessons, a cat that's been hit once is probably more likely to go out in traffic again. It's like those cats on the dinner table. They are not going to learn to keep their faces out of your plate. Learning it not part of their agenda. >>> My cat was knocked down about 4 months ago and received a fractured >>> pelvis. Fortunately he has made a good recovery after a few very [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > to learn to keep their faces out of your plate. > Learning it not part of their agenda. Well, I respectfully disagree.....All animals learn lessons to some degree....They are just like us humans, except their brains are smaller. When they are young, their mothers teach them some basic stuff, but after that, they have to learn from life and their experiences. My cats certainly can learn to not tear up the furniture, go potty in the house, & etc. But then, I am not religious, so I don't think there is any basic, "God given" skills that are peculiar to us humans. I have noticed that the religious believe (for the most part) that we are "special", and they sometimes draw strange conclusions from this. Thinking that no animals can learn anything is one of these strange conclusions. We have taught parrots, dolphins, and apes over 100 different words for example, and proved that they can think logically. Cats are quite high up on the order of life, and you can be sure that they can learn. There are experts at teaching them tricks for the circus and for movie producers..... >>>> My cat was knocked down about 4 months ago and received a fractured >>>> pelvis. Fortunately he has made a good recovery after a few very [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > that they can learn. There are experts at teaching them tricks for the > circus and for movie producers..... Cheap shot and outrageously wide of the mark. You said it yourself, "their brains are smaller". How much smaller? Well, take a look. No, not at the size of the cat's head. Take a look at the way they act. Cats are great and all but learning? Yeah if there's food involved, they've got it. Can opener -> run toward sound. That's it. You die, the cat eats you. They sure as hell don't learn "that car hurt me, I'm going to look both ways". They get outside and they're on automatic. "Dan Espen" <daneNO@MORE.mk.SPAMtelcordia.com> wrote in message > Cats are great and all but learning? > Yeah if there's food involved, they've got it. > Can opener -> run toward sound. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > They get outside and they're on automatic. Not at all.....They can learn not to sleep in the middle of the street. I picked up one that was living in a Burger King parking lot......He sure as hell had learned that cars can hurt him, because he stayed out of their way, and only approached me after I had turned it off and gotten out. He also knew how to drink a milk shake. He stuck his paw down into the cup and got it wet, and then licked it off with his tongue. - Most cats will just knock the cup over and then try to lap up as much as they can before it soaks into the ground.....How do you suppose he had learned to do that? How many cups had he knocked over before he figured out that he could do that? Just the fact that some of my cats are more intelligent than others should tell you something. There is no question that they can learn, just as dogs can learn......Don't you remember how Lassie got Timmy out of the well? - That took logic....:^) > "Dan Espen" <dan...@MORE.mk.SPAMtelcordia.com> wrote in message > Cats are > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > the ground.....How do you suppose he had learned to do that? How many cups > had he knocked over before he figured out that he could do that? This is my point . Yes they can learn , but how many chances do they get to learn that car's equal getting hurt. > Just the fact that some of my cats are more intelligent than others > should tell you something. There is no question that they can learn, just as > dogs can learn......Don't you remember how Lassie got Timmy out of the > well? - That took logic....:^) On Mar 30, 5:42 am, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote: > "Dan Espen" <dan...@MORE.mk.SPAMtelcordia.com> wrote in message > Cats are > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > the ground.....How do you suppose he had learned to do that? How many cups > had he knocked over before he figured out that he could do that? This is my point . Yes they can learn , but how many chances do they get to learn that car's equal getting hurt. Not many, but if one gets hurt, but not killed, then he's way ahead of the game, and has a much better chance of survival......Actually, with some cats, it's instinctive to just stay away from cars.....I think they figure than anything that big and noisy can't be anything but bad news. With others, they never seem to get the message......But I know meth users that are the same way.....:^) > Just the fact that some of my cats are more intelligent than others > should tell you something. There is no question that they can learn, just > as > dogs can learn......Don't you remember how Lassie got Timmy out of the > well? - That took logic....:^) On Mar 30, 2:04 am, Dan Espen <dan...@MORE.mk.SPAMtelcordia.com> wrote: > >>> <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>>news:63015f30-b9e3-4183-b0bf-00bd2553ea69@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > They sure as hell don't learn "that car hurt me, > I'm going to look both ways". Some cat's are more timid than others. These are the one's that usually survive. They hear the sound of a car and run a way frightened. > They get outside and they're on automatic.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - > >> <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>news:63015f30-b9e3-4183-b0bf-00bd2553ea69@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > strange conclusions from this. Thinking that no animals can learn anything > is one of these strange conclusions. I am a christian and I certainly don't hold this view and it's not a view I've ever heard a Christian express. We have taught parrots, dolphins, and > apes over 100 different words for example, and proved that they can think > logically. Cats are quite high up on the order of life, and you can be sure > that they can learn. There are experts at teaching them tricks for the > circus and for movie producers.....- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - On Mar 29, 9:51 pm, Dan Espen <dan...@MORE.mk.SPAMtelcordia.com> wrote: > > <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >news:63015f30-b9e3-4183-b0bf-00bd2553ea69@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Cool, 10 years older than I am, but it seems to me, I learned a long > time ago, cats do not learn lessons. Cats can learn lessons , but their not the quickest of learners and they don't get many chances to learn with cars because mostly they end up dead. > > and not feeling too well now, > > but I wouldn't have had it any other way. - It was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > It's like those cats on the dinner table. They are not going > to learn to keep their faces out of your plate. I have taught my cat's this. Cat's can even be taught to use a toilet. Some cat's are harder to teach than others and so are just mischievous. > Learning it not part of their agenda.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - > <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > they are all outside cats. If I had to keep them inside, then I would have > to get rid of them.. My ex girlfriend used to have 7 cat's that she kept in because had lost so many cat's outside. She has now started letting them out and has lost 3 more since then. ....It would be impossible for me to do. Sure, they will > have a better chance of getting hurt by being outside, but I have eaten like > there was no tomorrow all of my life, and drank, and smoked, and womanized, > and otherwise paid little or no attention to my health, and yet I am 72, and > not feeling too well now, but I wouldn't have had it any other way. - It was > well worth it. My Dad smoked all his life and died of emphysema at 78 still wanting one last fag on his death bed. he would have probably lived until 88 or more had he not smoked, but everyone has to make their own decisions in life. So, I will apply the same philosophy to my cats. Evolutionists I guess would tell it's survival of the fittest and those cat's that learn to be scared of traffic will eventually survive and pass this gene on until all cat's are scared of traffic. Strangely we don't apply the same logic to our kids and just let them wonder into the road. They too, > like all of us, will eventually die, and once dead, they (and I) will be > dead forever. That is a matter of opinion. We might as well enjoy life while we have it, whether that's > for a century or a day......Compare a century to the 30 Billion years or > more that the universe has been here......It's just a drop in the bucket of > time. Why try to live forever and be miserable? Many would say smoking fags, drinking and eating unhealthy food leads to a miserable life. The difference? You can reason with most humans. We humans can reason and teach each other, and our children, and learn from OTHER'S mistakes. Cats have to learn on their own--if they survive the first lessons. Our cats are allowed out, supervised, in the secure back yard. When they're not outside we have bird feeders outside 5 windows they can hang out at, baskets of baby blankets everywhere, and about 50 assorted mice, balls, bags, milk bottle rings and tampons (clean, of course--they make great toys) scattered throughout the house and under the furniture. Then there are my jackets and sweaters, which if accidentally left on the sofa or the back of a chair, become bedding. The last few days we're keeping them in because we had the lawn "weed 'n feed" 'd. They've been a BIT stir crazy so we gave them some fresh catnip today. They partied and went back to bed and have been relatively docile. They got wound up at dinner time (when we usually let them out again) so we gave them a can of "meaties" to split 3 ways and they settled down again. Entertainment (which requires time) and activity, is the best cure for the boredom. Good luck!  Signatureie ride fast, take chances. On Mar 29, 8:15 pm, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote: > <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > they are all outside cats. If I had to keep them inside, then I would have > to get rid of them.. My ex girlfriend used to have 7 cat's that she kept in because had lost so many cat's outside. She has now started letting them out and has lost 3 more since then. ....It would be impossible for me to do. Sure, they will > have a better chance of getting hurt by being outside, but I have eaten > like [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > was > well worth it. My Dad smoked all his life and died of emphysema at 78 still wanting one last fag on his death bed. he would have probably lived until 88 or more had he not smoked, but everyone has to make their own decisions in life. So, I will apply the same philosophy to my cats. Evolutionists I guess would tell it's survival of the fittest and those cat's that learn to be scared of traffic will eventually survive and pass this gene on until all cat's are scared of traffic. Strangely we don't apply the same logic to our kids and just let them wonder into the road. They too, > like all of us, will eventually die, and once dead, they (and I) will be > dead forever. That is a matter of opinion. We might as well enjoy life while we have it, whether that's > for a century or a day......Compare a century to the 30 Billion years or > more that the universe has been here......It's just a drop in the bucket > of > time. Why try to live forever and be miserable? Many would say smoking fags, drinking and eating unhealthy food leads to a miserable life. On 29 Mar, 22:30, "davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com" <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Many would say smoking fags, drinking and eating unhealthy food leads > to a miserable life.- And some would say that's a recipie for happiness even if it does shorten your life Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs On Mar 31, 3:27 pm, "LMadi...@hhnt.nhs.uk" <LMadi...@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote: > On 29 Mar, 22:30, "davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And some would say that's a recipie for happiness even if it does > shorten your life This I have never understood. I think all who have given up smoking would testify that they feel better for it. How can putting toxins and poisons into your body be a recipe for happiness. I realise smoking is a cure for stress and so is drinking. I can understand why some one would drink for social reasons to feel more relaxed and less inhibited, but many abuse it that's the problem. > Lesley > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs On Mar 31, 3:27 pm, "LMadi...@hhnt.nhs.uk" <LMadi...@hhnt.nhs.uk> wrote: > On 29 Mar, 22:30, "davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And some would say that's a recipie for happiness even if it does > shorten your life This I have never understood. I think all who have given up smoking would testify that they feel better for it. How can putting toxins and poisons into your body be a recipe for happiness. I realise smoking is a cure for stress and so is drinking. I can understand why some one would drink for social reasons to feel more relaxed and less inhibited, but many abuse it that's the problem. I generally agree with this.....I smoked cigarettes for about 28 years, and then quit cold turkey the first of August, 1983, and quitting was one of the best things I have ever done.....But I smoked 1-1/2 packs a day. My mother, on the other hand, smoked for 75 years.....From 15 to 90 years old.....She quit when she was 90 because they were too expensive. But, she only smoked about 1/2 pack a day. To me, 10 cigs a day is pretty reasonable, and it didn't seem to adversely affect her health, since she lived to be 97. I think the real answer is moderation. If you do everything with moderation, you can enjoy lots of things without them hurting you enough to bother about. Also, if you do things with moderation, you can enjoy the best without it being a financial burden.....When you only drink a glass of Scotch once a month, you can afford to drink the finest stuff you can buy......If you drink a 1/2 gallon a day, then it's cheap wine for you, buddy! I would personally suggest to leash her when you go outside? > I would personally suggest to leash her when you go outside? It's a he. I have thought of doing this , but a lot of cat's don't seem to like the leash and seem to think it's a play thing. Also don't some ppl say they are dangerous and can lead to strangulation. On Apr 1, 11:05 pm, Cat Luva <winnispetadv...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would personally suggest to leash her when you go outside? It's a he. I have thought of doing this , but a lot of cat's don't seem to like the leash and seem to think it's a play thing. Also don't some ppl say they are dangerous and can lead to strangulation. you don't use a leash on a cat that is asking for trouble you use a harness http://www.petco.com/product/2059/Four-Paws-Safety-Cat-Leash-and-Harness.aspx it is simple to introduce them to it it can take a couple weeks I know others have voiced theri opinion about inside out side I am honestly surprised they controlled them selves this time But some reading that may help you from a rescue center the person that runs it is Phil and he is a great guy http://www.maxshouse.com/Healthy+Happy_Indoors.htm |
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