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Grieving cat
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Martyn Brown - 27 Mar 2004 16:32 GMT Hi all Can anyone help?. My Mother died 4 weeks ago and the female (age 8 yrs) of our 2 cats is acting very strangely. She moves very slowly and just looks at walls for ages and does not seem to have any energy. I took her to the vets to get checked out and they said she was fine. Is this normal and will she get over it?. Worried cat owner Martyn
~*Connie*~ - 27 Mar 2004 21:43 GMT yes.. cats do grieve.. I know it sounds weird, but talk to your cat, explain that mom died, and that you love her, and give her lots of love and treats. Consider getting some feliway to help ease her stress.
> Hi all > Can anyone help?. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Worried cat owner > Martyn 'cedes - 27 Mar 2004 23:14 GMT I'm so very sorry to hear about your mom. Yes, animals can and DO grieve. the key is to provide some sort of "distraction" and to provide extra attention. How about a kitty companion for the cat? This would certainly "distract her from her grief.
> yes.. cats do grieve.. I know it sounds weird, but talk to your cat, > explain that mom died, and that you love her, and give her lots of love and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Worried cat owner > > Martyn 'cedes - 28 Mar 2004 08:56 GMT So sorry.....I did not notice the part of the OP's original post, where she stated that she had two cats. whayface was SO KIND to email me privately and point this fact out to me. THANK YOU WHAYFACE!!
> I'm so very sorry to hear about your mom. Yes, animals can and DO grieve. > the key is to provide some sort of "distraction" and to provide extra [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > Worried cat owner > > > Martyn Daz_ - 28 Mar 2004 02:05 GMT Get out of here!! Cats grieving!! Cats are the most selfish of Gods creatures and to believe that they give a flying fig for anything other than food on demand and somewhere warm to while away their useless existence beggars belief. Try stop feeding them or preventing them from going exactly where they want and see how long they stay with you. BTW, sorry to hear about your Mum, it's you that is grieving, think about your Mum and your times with her not the dammed cat. It has probably noticed a lack of attention from you as your mind has obviously been elsewhere and in its typical selfish way is "trying it on"...... bastards!!
Daz
> yes.. cats do grieve.. I know it sounds weird, but talk to your cat, > explain that mom died, and that you love her, and give her lots of love and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Worried cat owner > > Martyn ~*Connie*~ - 28 Mar 2004 03:02 GMT well i see you are a total cat person.. someone who pays attention to the thoughts and feelings of a companion animal.
btw.. Stop feeding your children or preventing them from going exactly where they want, and see how long they stay with you!
> Get out of here!! > Cats grieving!! [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > Worried cat owner > > > Martyn Daz_ - 28 Mar 2004 03:10 GMT Thankyou for advice on how to bring up my children incidentally, you are treating like with unlike her, cats are not children, well not to most normal people. It may be a good idea for you to get your priorities right. People grieve for loved ones who have died, cats?? well they are just cats.....selfish.
Daz
> well i see you are a total cat person.. someone who pays attention to the > thoughts and feelings of a companion animal. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > Worried cat owner > > > > Martyn BCDeputy - 28 Mar 2004 03:33 GMT way to go Connie!!! just another loser trying to stir something up on a newsgroup that he doesn't understand. Why on earth would you post on a cat newsgroup if you don't like cats??? and it's very obvious that you've never had a cat with your "thoughts" on the subject. ALL PETS GRIEVE!!! and they know when a member of the family leaves. don't think anyway else... to the original poster... you're cat will get over her loss. and I think the original reply was excellent. extra care and more treats would be wonderful.
> Thankyou for advice on how to bring up my children incidentally, you are > treating like with unlike her, cats are not children, well not to most [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > > > > Worried cat owner > > > > > Martyn Xmar - 28 Mar 2004 03:54 GMT http://www.petloss.com/muns.htm
DO PETS GRIEVE?
What many people find hard to believe is that animals can form very firm attachments with each other. Even pets that outwardly seem to barely get along will exhibit intense stress reactions when separated. In fact, grieving pets can show many symptoms identical to those experienced by the bereaved pet owner. The surviving pet(s) may become restless, anxious and depressed. There may also be much sighing, along with sleep and eating disturbances. Often, grieving pets will search for their dead companions and crave more attention from their owners.
How can an owner help the grieving pet? By following the following recommendations: 1. Keep the surviving pet(s) routines as normal as possible. 2. Try not to unintentionally reinforce the behavior changes. - if the pet's appetite is picky, don't keep changing the food. All that does is create a more finicky pet. - don't overdo the attention given to the pet(s) as it can lead to separation anxiety.
3. Allow the surviving animals to work out the new dominance hierarchy themselves. - there may be scuffles and fights as the animals work out the new pecking order (dogs mostly)
4. Don't get a new pet to help the grieving pet(s) unless the owner is ready. - will backfire unless the owner is emotionally ready for a new pet. - people still grieving won't have the energy for it.
Should the owner let the surviving animals see and smell their dead companion? There is no evidence that doing so will help the surviving pet(s), but some people claim that it does. Usually, all it accomplishes is to make the owner feel better. Therefore, if the owner wants to have the surviving pets "say good-bye," then it should be allowed.
HEALING
M.C. Mullen - 28 Mar 2004 07:31 GMT | way to go Connie!!! just another loser trying to stir something up on a | newsgroup that he doesn't understand. Why on earth would you post on a cat [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | original reply was excellent. extra care and more treats would be | wonderful. It could be that the cat is not grieving - but it definitely misses her mom. I had to look after our cat when the rest of the family was on holidays for some weeks. The cat knew me perfectly well and liked me, but every single night she went meowing from room to room realising that some people were missing. It nearly drove me crazy. The cat didn't meow much normally. And it didn't stop until my parents and especially the mother were back.
Carola
Daz - 28 Mar 2004 17:57 GMT Where in the title alt.cats does it mention "like" or "love"? I have lurked in this newsgroup sweetheart longer than you have been posting to it so don't come the big "I am". I find it helpful to know what goes through the mind of some obsessive cat owners so as to know how to deal with them when confronted with their "pets", that incidentally I don't want, when they come into my garden to satisfy their instinct for killing and crapping. It didn't take me long to realise that the best thing to go through the mind of some of these irresponsible owners is a bullet. Don't be ridiculous, pets don't grieve, they pick up on a change brought about by the grieving of a person and it manifests itself in an alteration of the pets behaviour. You put it down to grieving because you like to think the cat has enough savvy to recognise love and loss but in truth all it is doing is showing its dissatisfaction at being treated slightly different..... Selfish bastards .... if you can level human emotions on a dumb animal.
Daz
> way to go Connie!!! just another loser trying to stir something up on a > newsgroup that he doesn't understand. Why on earth would you post on a cat [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > > > > > Worried cat owner > > > > > > Martyn 'cedes - 28 Mar 2004 08:53 GMT Daz, WHY are you posting on this group?
> Thankyou for advice on how to bring up my children incidentally, you are > treating like with unlike her, cats are not children, well not to most [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > > > > Worried cat owner > > > > > Martyn Nadacomin - 29 Mar 2004 08:22 GMT >Subject: Re: Grieving cat
>From: "Daz_" melchett@underwearthe18th.com >Newsgroups: alt.cats >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:10:52 Daz writes:
>Thankyou for advice on how to bring up my children incidentally, you are >treating like with unlike her, cats are not children, well not to most [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Daz Bull sh.t.
One of my cats died a few years back, on the night I was packing up to move. When I got to the new place, my other cat kept looking for him. He would sniff things and look at me, questioning.
Another thing. I did something once to test this remaining cat. I had gotten him from a beautiful young lady who's husband had made her get rid of him. I looked at him one day, and said, do you remember S_____? His eyes widened and he stiffened a little, as if getting ready to go someplace. That told me that he remembered and understood. Cats have been known to travel accross the continental united states to reunite with families who lost them when they moved accross country.
What exactly is your problem, anyway?
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Daz - 29 Mar 2004 20:03 GMT > >Subject: Re: Grieving cat > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > When I got to the new place, my other cat kept looking for him. He would sniff > things and look at me, questioning. Kept looking for him !!! he told you?? Has it ever crossed your mind that the cat having been placed in a strange environment was at the very least curious?? He looked at you , questioning .... to use your vernacular.... Bull sh.t...
> Another thing. I did something once to test this remaining cat. I had gotten > him from a beautiful young lady who's husband had made her get rid of him. > I looked at him one day, and said, do you remember S_____? His eyes widened > and he stiffened a little, as if getting ready to go someplace. That told me > that he remembered and understood. That tells me you believe what you want to believe.
> Cats have been known to travel accross the continental united states to reunite > with families who lost them when they moved accross country. > > What exactly is your problem, anyway? I wouldn't call it a problem as such just a healthy disbelief of what some people are so ready to accept without any form of logical; proof. If it fits in with their idea of cats being divine and thinking like humans then that MUST be the answer. Cats are dumb animals, they are selfish in our terms, but to a cat it is just instinctive behaviour and the sooner owners recognise this the better it will be for those of us who don't want to be inflicted with what a lot of us consider to be, vermin.
Daz
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ==================================================== > "Don't mistake kindness for weakness" > > Please visit CORRECTIONS BULLETIN BOARD: http://nadacomin.0catch.com/ BCDeputy - 29 Mar 2004 22:46 GMT I'm just wondering if your an atheist? since you've probably never seen any form of logical proof of a supreme being.
not trying to stir something up, I'm just curious...
> > >Subject: Re: Grieving cat > > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > > > Please visit CORRECTIONS BULLETIN BOARD: http://nadacomin.0catch.com/ Daz - 29 Mar 2004 23:59 GMT Ahhh, good old religion, the font of all mans problems. An agnostic view appeals as it cant be proven one way or another but my gut feeling leans towards it being a fairy tale. I believe that an account written some 40 odd years after the death of a man belonging to a Jewish sect some 2000 years ago was responsible for the evolution of Christianity but as to him having any special powers or him being the son of a supreme entity, nope. And yourself? All I am saying is that there is another explanation to the cats behaviour and to bestow upon it the ability to grieve is to my mind not on. I and I expect you have lost someone dear to you and grief hurts and alters your perspective on things. Frankly I cant see a cat having any of those attributes. It kills without mercy, toys with its prey to a point that if a human did these things .... well, enough said. You cant endow a cat with the same beliefs and feelings as humans, it is a different species, its instinct led. We on the other hand are led by conformity. A final point, its not the cat that I find abhorrent its some owners total disregard for others that gets up my bugle.
Daz
> I'm just wondering if your an atheist? since you've probably never seen any > form of logical proof of a supreme being. [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > > > > > Please visit CORRECTIONS BULLETIN BOARD: http://nadacomin.0catch.com/ BCDeputy - 30 Mar 2004 04:05 GMT you know Daz, at first i really thought you were a total horses butt. and i'll probably word this wrong, but i too am not a firm believer in the supreme being. i find what you wrote in your last message to be pretty accurate. i don't agree with your dislike of cats, but alas, you are entitled to your own opinion aren't you? so i'll read your future posts and see what we do and do not agree with... and i totally agree that religion is the major point to all of mans problems. most wars are fought over it aren't they???
> Ahhh, good old religion, the font of all mans problems. An agnostic view > appeals as it cant be proven one way or another but my gut feeling leans [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > > > > > > > > Please visit CORRECTIONS BULLETIN BOARD: http://nadacomin.0catch.com/ Daz - 30 Mar 2004 23:58 GMT > you know Daz, at first i really thought you were a total horses butt. and > i'll probably word this wrong, but i too am not a firm believer in the > supreme being. i find what you wrote in your last message to be pretty > accurate. i don't agree with your dislike of cats, but alas, you are > entitled to your own opinion aren't you? Why alas? Like I have said before, its not the cat but irresponsible owners I take issue with.
so i'll read your future posts and
> see what we do and do not agree with... > and i totally agree that religion is the major point to all of mans > problems. most wars are fought over it aren't they??? Thankyou for at least listening to another's point of view without that oh so infuriating retort ... "I put him in my kill file" Why people bother with Usenet is beyond me if all they want is a toady to agree with them. The kill file, a tool for the closed mind.
Daz
Cheryl - 30 Mar 2004 02:59 GMT > I'm just wondering if your an atheist? since you've probably never > seen any form of logical proof of a supreme being. > > not trying to stir something up, I'm just curious... You'll want to just ignore Daz. He showed up here as someone who just seems passionate to get rid of cats on his property. Not a cat owner at all.
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Daz - 30 Mar 2004 23:59 GMT > > I'm just wondering if your an atheist? since you've probably never > > seen any form of logical proof of a supreme being. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Cheryl Not true Cheryl, I am not only passionate about so called pet lovers who allow their charges to roam the streets and gardens doing as they wish. This is at best antisocial and shows a total disregard for others. I'm also passionate about you, what are you wearing??.... ;o)
Daz
Cheryl - 31 Mar 2004 02:26 GMT > Not true Cheryl, I am not only passionate about so called pet lovers > who allow their charges to roam the streets and gardens doing as they > wish. This is at best antisocial and shows a total disregard for > others. Fair enough. But point being that your answers have nothing to do with the welfare of cats which is why most people are reading here. Only right that the OP be fair warned.
>I'm also passionate about you, what are you wearing??.... ;o) lmao Ok, that was funny. Ya got me on that one. heheh
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Daz - 01 Apr 2004 01:36 GMT > > Not true Cheryl, I am not only passionate about so called pet lovers > > who allow their charges to roam the streets and gardens doing as they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > welfare of cats which is why most people are reading here. Only right that > the OP be fair warned. That may be why a lot of people read this group but I feel sure there are quite a few out there in the background who, like me, look upon this as a general discussion group relating to cats and associated topics not just their welfare. I consider the owner of a cat to be on topic and further more if that owner is irresponsible then doesn't that in itself affect the welfare of his/her cat?
> >I'm also passionate about you, what are you wearing??.... ;o) > > lmao > Ok, that was funny. Ya got me on that one. heheh But you didn't answer the question ...
Daz
Cheryl - 01 Apr 2004 02:19 GMT > That may be why a lot of people read this group but I feel sure there > are quite a few out there in the background who, like me, look upon > this as a general discussion group relating to cats and associated > topics not just their welfare. I've said it before. If they lurk and don't opine, they don't exist.
> I consider the owner of a cat to be on topic and further more if that > owner is irresponsible then doesn't that in itself affect the welfare > of his/her cat? Absolutely. But I haven't seen anyone post asking for advice about not being responsible. In other words, if they aren't responsible, they aren't going to go to a cat group[1]. I honestly do understand your side of things, too. I think many in the UK are tired of roaming cats because it is so acceptable to cat owners that this is what they do, without question. Your methods were rather cruel, though, if you really did what you said you did. I suspect you didn't, and you're either hanging around to get more of an understanding about cat owners, or we're just really entertaining to you. ;)
[1] By this I by no means suggest that if they don't read a cat group that they aren't responsible. lol
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Daz - 02 Apr 2004 22:18 GMT > > That may be why a lot of people read this group but I feel sure there > > are quite a few out there in the background who, like me, look upon [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > being responsible. In other words, if they aren't responsible, they > aren't going to go to a cat group[1]. That's the whole problem, they think they ARE responsible or don't think at all. I have asked several of these "cat lovers" who are local to me if they realise that their actions or lack of them have consequences for others and their answers range from indifference to abuse. So any bit of propaganda that will alter the narrow minds of the Bob Brenchleys of this world must be seized upon at any given opportunity.
I honestly do understand your side
> of things, too. I think many in the UK are tired of roaming cats because > it is so acceptable to cat owners that this is what they do, without > question. Your methods were rather cruel, though, if you really did what > you said you did. I suspect you didn't, and you're either hanging around > to get more of an understanding about cat owners, or we're just really > entertaining to you. ;) Maybe I did maybe I didn't but as long as people 'believe' that if they let their cats roam on my property they risk loosing them then the end justifies the means ... whatever the means was .................. or wasn't.... ;o)
Daz
equalizer - 03 Apr 2004 01:07 GMT >> > That may be why a lot of people read this group but I feel sure there >> > are quite a few out there in the background who, like me, look upon [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Daz FWIW, I see your side and support it. I have 4 cats, a stray mother I took in 4 years ago who had a litter. I kept her and 3 of her kittens -- all indoor cats now. I've gone as far as buying a house just because it has an enclosed porch and enough land to put up a "cat-proof" fence on it, which is going up shortly. I was happy living in an apartment all these years -- I'm an outdoor type -- into rock/ice climbing, backcountry skiing, backpacking, mountain biking, etc. I bought the freaking house FOR THEM! I have a neighbor now who's into bird watching, and is very concerned about the cats around here allowed to free-roam. I don't like it either -- several of them are clearly un-fixed. I noticed how pissed I got the last few weeks when I noticed someone had let their collared dog free-roam in the neighborhood. It gave me pause about the cats -- why was I concerned but not pissed about the free-roaming cats? Probably because I grew up in a neighborhood where they were allowed to free roam. Tell you the truth, I'd love to see cats regulated like dogs -- at least in the suburban and urban areas. I'd never let mine free roam. As much out of courtesy to other people as because of a concern for their well-being in such a cat-hostile environment where I see way too many cats road killed during my 18 mile commute everyday.
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Daz - 03 Apr 2004 02:45 GMT > FWIW, I see your side and support it. I have 4 cats, a stray mother I > took in 4 years ago who had a litter. I kept her and 3 of her kittens -- [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > eq Good to hear now all that's left to do is convince the rest of the UK and I will be a happy bunny.
There are concerns here that the decline in what was once considered a nuisance, namely sparrows and starlings have declined markedly over the last few years and no one quite knows why. Some are putting the blame firmly at the door of yer free roaming moggie who's numbers have increased here owing mainly to it being an anti-social liability to own a dog in town due to the crack down on pavement fouling.
The problem being that if it were proved the domestic cat was responsible for the decline of these birds then there isn't a politician standing who would dare stand up to advocate any form of clamp down. If there were I would be the first to agree to some form of regulation be it licensing, restricting their wanderings and/or numbers allowed to own.
Maybe the reason we don't have cat licensing is because they haven't yet perfected a way to detect those who breach the regulations. So, if anyone can come up with the necessary electronics that can be hidden in a detector van and can pinpoint a purr at four hundred yards, please let me know.
Daz
'cedes - 28 Mar 2004 08:52 GMT Kill-filed.
> Get out of here!! > Cats grieving!! [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > Worried cat owner > > > Martyn Daz - 28 Mar 2004 17:59 GMT Why did you put me in your kill file then ask me why I post to this group?.... Get a grip love.
Daz
> Kill-filed. > > Get out of here!! [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > > Worried cat owner > > > > Martyn M.C. Mullen - 28 Mar 2004 18:38 GMT Ditto, and not for the first time!!! Have you noticed that the mail addy changes all the time?
| Kill-filed. | > Get out of here!! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] | > | > Daz Xmar - 28 Mar 2004 02:09 GMT Oh yea she sounds like she deeply grieving...
Talk to her soothingly and gently often. Pet her if she lets you, pick her up. IE do what you can to comfort her.
When you are away, try putting on some soothing gentle music. Try giving her a special treat every now and then.
It will take some time but yes she will.
She needs some tlc and re-assurance.
> Hi all > Can anyone help?. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Worried cat owner > Martyn
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