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PMcOuntry - 09 Jan 2008 19:59 GMT
Hi, one of my male cats (3 years old) has decided all of a sudden that
he wants to "escape".  My other two cats want nothing to do with "out
there".  As soon as we open the door, the cat in question, runs and
escapes to the porch where he generally freezes and we toss him back
inside.  Yesterday he went farther, he left the porch and hid under a
bush.  I'm really getting worried about this behavior, they have never
been outdoor cats, they've been inside since birth.  How can I "change
his mind" so to speak?  We do not have a fenced in yard, we live near
a street, and there are dogs everywhere.  Thank you for any advice you
can give me on this matter.  As all cat lovers know, he's my baby and
I couldn't bear to lose him.

Patricia
.._.. - 09 Jan 2008 20:58 GMT
Get a collar and tags on him with your address and phone number.

Also, chip him if he has not been already.

Is he neutered?  If not, do that ASAP. Intact cats get urges to wander due
to smelling other unfixed cats out there.

He might have seen an animal or other cat out there and want to get out for
that reason.  But, some cats just decide they want to get out.

Outside cats have an average expected lifespan lower than inside-only cats,
so every attempt should be made to keep him in.

I would use verbal correction upon entering and leaving a loud and harsh
"NO!" for example.  Or pull a trick like have a few helpers with water
bottles outside and then pass through, attempts at escaping or nearing the
doorway should be met with a barage of squirt bottle fire from the folks
outside.

If you have any way of "airlocking" the entrance do that too.  (Two doors
separated by a space.)

> Hi, one of my male cats (3 years old) has decided all of a sudden that
> he wants to "escape".  My other two cats want nothing to do with "out
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> Patricia
PMcOuntry - 09 Jan 2008 21:12 GMT
> Get a collar and tags on him with your address and phone number.
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He is fixed, however he was fixed after he started having "urges".  I
read somewhere that cats who are fixed after the "urges" start will
continue to experiance them occasionly which has so far been true.

I have tried a collar but he tears it off and I didn't even know you
could chip cats, I will call my vet and see if he does that or who
does.

We do have the water bottle inside and I have also place the cat
carrier by the door.  I though if I pinned him inside it when going
outside (someone is always home) that might reinforce the message.
Since someone is always home they can let him back out.

We have many stray cats near our home.  Our neighbor refuses to fix
their cats and they are all outdoors.  I have contacted every shelter,
town officials, etc. and NO ONE will do anything about the strays.
Since they like to serenade my boys, I would say that territory is
probably the #1 cause for him wanting outside.

Thanks for your response!
David - 11 Jan 2008 04:07 GMT
On Jan 9, 3:58 pm, ".._.." <.....@yourmom.mil> wrote:
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>He is fixed, however he was fixed after he started having "urges".  I

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I think the "airlocking" idea is worth pursuing.  You could use plexiglass
or something else to block off any exit points from your porch.  Might not
look that great but, like you said, he's your baby!

David
PMcOuntry - 11 Jan 2008 17:33 GMT
> On Jan 9, 3:58 pm, ".._.." <.....@yourmom.mil> wrote:
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That would be a bit of a problem as the entire porch is open...
Baldoni - 15 Jan 2008 19:30 GMT
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>> On Jan 9, 3:58 pm, ".._.." <.....@yourmom.mil> wrote:
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> That would be a bit of a problem as the entire porch is open...

Let him out it won't hurt him.  Just get him chipped to be safe.  I
don't trust collars and I reckon they encorouge fleas to breed under
them.

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William Graham - 09 Jan 2008 21:16 GMT
> Get a collar and tags on him with your address and phone number.
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>> Patricia

Cats are curious. He may just want to explore, as he would one of your
clothes closets.....Most people I have known with indoor cats let them go
out once in a while while supervised......IOW, stay with him while he
explores around your house or apartment. Pretty soon he will be satisfied
and be happy to stay inside.
PMcOuntry - 09 Jan 2008 22:12 GMT
> > Get a collar and tags on him with your address and phone number.
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Hmm, I'll have to look into a halter type leash and see how he likes
that.
William Graham - 09 Jan 2008 23:36 GMT
On Jan 9, 4:16 pm, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
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Hmm, I'll have to look into a halter type leash and see how he likes
that.

One lady friend of mine used to take her cats a couple of blocks away to
Golden Gate Park in San Francisco, and let them romp on the grass.
Baldoni - 15 Jan 2008 19:28 GMT
PMcOuntry explained on 09/01/2008 :
> Hi, one of my male cats (3 years old) has decided all of a sudden that
> he wants to "escape".  My other two cats want nothing to do with "out
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> Patricia

I got a cat off a guy who lived in an apartment block and he never went
out for the 8 months of his life.  He would stand by the open front
door and then move an inch further out each day.  Now he has the
confidence he goes out for 30 minutes to 1 hour at a time and he always
prefers it late at night.

He loves going out.  Don't worry about dogs he will avoid those and
local dogs in my experience chase the new cat at first and then leaves
them alone when they get more familiar with them.

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kraut - 15 Jan 2008 20:04 GMT
>PMcOuntry explained on 09/01/2008 :
>> Hi, one of my male cats (3 years old) has decided all of a sudden that
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>local dogs in my experience chase the new cat at first and then leaves
>them alone when they get more familiar with them.

The original poster did not ask how to keep him safe outside but how
to keep him from wanting to go out!!

Can't anyone simply answer the questions as asked here??
William Graham - 16 Jan 2008 03:59 GMT
> >PMcOuntry explained on 09/01/2008 :
>>> Hi, one of my male cats (3 years old) has decided all of a sudden that
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> Can't anyone simply answer the questions as asked here??

Yes. The next time he goes out, lock him out for an hour before you let him
back in. If that doesn't do it, then try two hours.....Pretty soon, he'll
think twice before he goes out.
PMcOuntry - 16 Jan 2008 17:21 GMT
> > >PMcOuntryexplained on 09/01/2008 :
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Not the best idea... we live on a street w/lots of traffic and stray
cats everywhere... in fact found one of them dead yesterday (stray not
mine).  If we had a porch that was enclosed at all I would just let
them come and go on it only.
William Graham - 16 Jan 2008 20:08 GMT
On Jan 15, 10:59 pm, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "kraut" <NewsGroupsPle...@NewsGroupsPlease.org> wrote in message
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Not the best idea... we live on a street w/lots of traffic and stray
cats everywhere... in fact found one of them dead yesterday (stray not
mine).  If we had a porch that was enclosed at all I would just let
them come and go on it only.

Well, I can only tell you what I would do if it was one of my cats. - Having
said that, I can tell you that I only have outside cats. - I have never had
an inside cat. If one of my cats wanted outside, I would let him/her go
outside. If they went outside and never came back, well, that's life. You
can't protect everyone else from everything else.
   You pose an impossible problem. How do you get a locked up animal (or
human being) to want to stay locked up, and not want to be free? All you can
do is make them understand that the safety and warmth of the home is better
than the freedom of the outside world. If you fail in this (and, believe me,
many have tried and failed) then you can't really do much about it. He wants
freedom.....Live with it.
David - 17 Jan 2008 03:50 GMT
> On Jan 15, 10:59 pm, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "kraut" <NewsGroupsPle...@NewsGroupsPlease.org> wrote in message
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> believe me, many have tried and failed) then you can't really do much
> about it. He wants freedom.....Live with it.

If the cat dies, that's life yet if the cat is not allowed outside, that's
injustice- life is not just!

Although cats may "want" things, I do not think they come close to
understanding the concept of freedom.

In the cat's mind, it wants something and can not get it.  You said
something similar in your other post, "If a cat wants something, he will
pretty well get it sooner or later."

There are plenty of situations where an outdoor cat may want something but
can not figure out how to get it:

- cat is on a shore, can see an island, but can not get to the island
- cat lives outdoors and is not allowed into the homes it approaches (I've
witnessed this one, watching cats beg to get INDOORS in the cold upper
peninsula of Michigan)
- cat wants in a dumpster but the dumpster is sealed
- cat wants in a sewer but can not get in the sewer
- cat wants in a fish market but can not get in

I think a cat being locked indoors and unable to get out is similar.  Cats
face challenges in their lives and can not overcome all of them.  Cats will
always find things to watch that they can not interact with and cats will
always find things that they can indeed interact with.

Since this is a major argument in alt.cats, I am becoming quite interested
in it.  It seems that there are three perspectives: indoor only, outdoor
only, and it depends.  I recognize you as "outdoor only," even when you are
talking to someone who has made it clear that they wish to keep their cat
indoors.

William, I would appreciate it if you consider this hypothetical situation
for me and tell me how you would react in it.

Let's say that you own 10 cats and are forced to move to a very busy city.
Your home is several thousand square feet with all sorts of room for the
animals (remember, we're talking hypothetical).

You allow your cats to roam outdoors.  The first night that you live there,
one of your cats is splattered on the road and another makes it back into
your home but is seriously injured, hardly able to move, shaking from the
severe pain it is in.  You try to get it to the animal hospital but it dies
before you get there.

On day number two you lose three more cats, all close enough to your home
that you can stand on your porch and see their flattened corpses on the busy
road you live next to.

Day number three is pretty good- one cat comes home and was obviously
tortured by a neighborhood kid but he will live.  Although this cat used to
be the most emotional cat you ever had, purring and rubbing up against you
on a hourly basis, he now sits under the kitchen table, almost motionless,
never making a sound.  The only time he ever moves is when you come near
him, and then he runs in the opposite direction as fast as he cant.

On day number four you lose one cat to a neighbors robotic lawn mower and
another cat to neighbor hood kids playing with pellet guns and slingshots.
Another was killed by a car.

In case you haven't been counting, you now have two cats left.  Are you
honestly telling me that you would LET these cats out and shrug it off as
"just life" if they died?  Personally, I would find YOU responsible for
their deaths.

David
PMcOuntry - 17 Jan 2008 16:59 GMT
> > On Jan 15, 10:59 pm, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "kraut" <NewsGroupsPle...@NewsGroupsPlease.org> wrote in message
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Unfortanetly, I have a neighbor who believes just what you stated
David, it was one of his cats that I found two days ago in the middle
of the road flat as a pancake and to tie this into a post further
down, he was probably hit at night.  Where I live, day traffic vs
night traffic, not much difference really and then you have those
people who hit cats on purpose, it's a like a sport to them.

I agree with this post though, it baffles me that anyone could have
cats and if they don't come home, just shrug it off.  If you don't
care about your cats enough that it matters whether they live or die
why do you have pets at all?

As for your example with 10 cats, my best friend has exactly that
(last count) and all 10 live indoors in her 1 room apartment.

My sister made the mistake of getting her sons an "outdoor cat", well
they live on a major highway, you can guess what her boys (10 and 5)
saw one morning on the way to school... seeing a dead cat that's not
mine makes me emotional, picture 2 small children.  Needless to say,
that taught my sister a valuable lesson and no pets for her unless
they are indoors.

An update on my situation: keeping a water bottle by the door and
squirting him when he starts near it has been working.  Coming in from
outside if no one is in the house is a challange, but I try and keep
something in hand, like a purse, and swing it at him so he gets back.
David - 18 Jan 2008 03:37 GMT
>Unfortanetly, I have a neighbor who believes just what you stated
>David, it was one of his cats that I found two days ago in the middle
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>outside if no one is in the house is a challange, but I try and keep
>something in hand, like a purse, and swing it at him so he gets back.

PMcOuntry-

A guy I work with had over ten cats last year.  He's "down to" only a few
now.  He speaks about the cats this way ("down to"), as if they are excess
weight.  Cats ARE animals.  There are plenty of animals I see splattered on
the road and I'm sad for all of them.  There are many animals that live
outdoors.  If someone looks at the cats as wild animals, I don't see an
issue- some people feed birds, deer, or whatever else roams their property.

When an animal is domesticated and a person has feelings for it, I would
hope that they would care for the animal in its best interest.  For example,
I would not let my cat roam where my co-worker lives (or where I live for
that matter).  If I lived in an area similar to that of Ivor Jones or
William Graham it may very well be another matter.

I feel lucky with my cat.  The two times he managed to sneak outdoors he
howled, cried, and moaned like a hound dog until he was back inside (the
second time I had pulled the "lock him out" trick).  He is much more
frustrated at the notion of a door inside my apartment being closed than
being "locked" inside.  Heck, if I lock MYSELF in the bathroom he cries and
tries to pull the door open from underneath.

EVEN IF HE WAS as frustrated at not being able to go outside as he is at not
being allowed in a room, that frustration would come second to the
frustration he endures when he accidentally rolls one of his toy foam balls
underneath a piece of furniture and can no longer reach it.  Does anyone
else have various items in front of their entertainment center, couch,
chairs, and living room tables in order to ensure not being woke up from a
frustrated kitty at 3 in the morning?

To me the issue is curiosity, not "freedom."

Dave
PMcOuntry - 19 Jan 2008 17:06 GMT
> >Unfortanetly, I have a neighbor who believes just what you stated
> >David, it was one of his cats that I found two days ago in the middle
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I have not taken to putting stuff in front of my furniture...
however... I do have what I call a "Milk Ring Graveyard" under a 3
shelf unit in the dining room.  Last count (when I looked under them w/
a flahslight) there were at least and I am NOT exaggerating here... 75
to a 100 of the suckers.  So I started watching my cat more closely,
sure enough, he plays with them and then bats them under for I guess,
"safe keeping"?  Problem is, he can no longer reach them with his
paws, so he waits until I fish a few out and then looks at me like,
um, there are more under there ya know.  Cats never cease to amuse or
amaze me.
PMcOuntry - 19 Jan 2008 17:07 GMT
> >Unfortanetly, I have a neighbor who believes just what you stated
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I forgot to add, the one who wants out loves to bring me toys at 3
a.m. and meow his head off until I acknowlege he's there, he has a
toy, and no I will not play with you it's 3 a.m., go to sleep.
David - 19 Jan 2008 22:25 GMT
>I forgot to add, the one who wants out loves to bring me toys at 3
>a.m. and meow his head off until I acknowlege he's there, he has a
>toy, and no I will not play with you it's 3 a.m., go to sleep.

Oh yes, middle of the night playtime!  Now and then I am awoken to the sound
of a foam ball bouncing on the bed followed by a few meows.  I'll throw the
ball out of the room and it is usually back within a few minutes.

It is entertaining to wake up in the morning and find balls on the bed,
under the covers, and under my pillow.  I can only imagine the amount of
kitty-frustration that took place trying to wake me up.

Sometimes he manages to break into my dreams... a few months ago I was
dreaming that I was swimming and sharks were biting my feet...  Well, they
weren't sharks and I wasn't swimming.

David
PMcOuntry - 20 Jan 2008 15:47 GMT
> >I forgot to add, the one who wants out loves to bring me toys at 3
> >a.m. and meow his head off until I acknowlege he's there, he has a
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> David

LMAO Yup, I often roll out of bed and go... I was sleeping on that?!
I am appearantly no Princess and the Pea.

I also have one cat that has fallen in loved with a stuffed animal I
have.  He sort of claimed it as "his".  He kneads it with this look of
pure adoration on his face, purrs, and then falls alseep on it.  My
other cat will find a clean (or not, he's not picky) rag (such as you
wash dishes with) and will take it and roll all over it like it's
catnip.  I'm still trying to get a picture of him when he has it
inbetween his paws like a blankey.

As for "sharks", my kitten LOVES to pounce on your toes if you wiggle
them.  Deep sleep and WHAM!

Patricia
William Graham - 17 Jan 2008 19:47 GMT
>> On Jan 15, 10:59 pm, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "kraut" <NewsGroupsPle...@NewsGroupsPlease.org> wrote in message
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> David

It is true that cats can't have everything they want, any more than any
other animal or human can have anything he/she wants, but it is also true
that you will have to put up with your indoor cat running out every chance
he gets for a long long time, so you will have to get used to it.

As to your hypothetical situation:

When I first got a cat, it came to me, and not the other way around. - I
never went to a pet store and bought a cat, or went to the pound and got a
cat. I never asked anyone for a cat. They just wandered in from somewhere
else, and liked the cut of my jib, so they stayed. Part of what they liked
about me was that I didn't impose any restrictions on their freedom. They
could always come and go as they pleased, and not all of them stayed,
either.

Now, in my retirement, I have assumed the responsibility of four cats. I
take this responsibility seriously, and wouldn't sell my house and more to a
city apartment where I would have to keep my cats locked up. As a matter of
fact, part of the reason why I have four cats is that I live in an area
where they can run free in relative safety. Otherwise, I wouldn't have
gotten them in the first place. So, your hypothetical situation couldn't
possibly occur with me. I wouldn't get 10 cats if I were still a working
person and might need to move somewhere else for my job. IOW, I wouldn't
assume the responsibility of getting 10 cats if I couldn't be sure of being
able to provide them with a stable environment. Even as I write this, my
feral cat is in the hands of the roving vet, getting fixed, (finally!) and
getting his shots, and getting his skin condition looked at. I had to cancel
an important appointment later this afternoon, because I expect him back
then. IOW, I love my cats, and wouldn't have them unless I could take care
of them properly, and this includes providing them with a stable environment
that they are used to, and can handle easily. In the past, I never had any
cats. They always had me, so to speak. I couldn't prevent them from coming
to me, but I didn't encourage them, because I lived on a busy intersection
in Menlo Park, CA which is in the heart of silicone valley, and the morning
commute traffic was horrendous, so they could have been killed by cars at
any time of the day or night.
   Now, I encourage cats to live with me, and I even picked one up in a
Burger King parking lot and took him home with me, which I would never have
even considered doing when I was working in California. When I did that, I
assumed the responsibility of providing him with a home that was better than
his existence of living in that parking lot, eating French fries and onion
rings and anything that people threw at him. (That was three years ago, and
he can still eat a chocolate milk shake by sticking his paw down in the
glass and licking it off, without tipping the glass over and spilling it all
on the ground) Had I not been able to give him a better life than that, I
would never have taken him home with me, and the same is true of my other
three cats, although they just wandered in on their own, without any
particular encouragement from me. When I started feeding them regularly, I
assumed responsibility for them also.
   There is an old Native American belief that if you save someone's life,
you then assume responsibility for them from that time on. I believe that
this applies very well to cats and other animals.
David - 18 Jan 2008 03:22 GMT
> "David" <davidd31415@yoowhoo.com> wrote in message
>> William, I would appreciate it if you consider this hypothetical
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> So, your hypothetical situation couldn't possibly occur with me.

William,

The neat thing about hypothetical situations is that you can consider them
regardless of if they actually have a chance of becoming reality.

You give advice and try to persuade people who are in very different
situations than you are- the least you can do is consider this topic from
the perspective of a different situation!

I'll try again:

__IF__ you were in the hypothetical situation (pretend you had some sci-fi
life-swap if it helps you), WOULD YOU allow the remaining two cats to roam
outside on day number five?

David
William Graham - 18 Jan 2008 06:04 GMT
>> "David" <davidd31415@yoowhoo.com> wrote in message
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> David

I thought I made it clear that I am totally unable to answer that question,
since it is beyond my experience. As to my giving advice to others, I always
make it clear that I have no experience with their situation if that happens
to be the case.....I usually start out with that disqualifying statement. I
will usually say something like, "I only have outside cats, but....." If
someone takes my advice on the matter as that of an expert on inside cats,
well, that's their bad judgment, and not mine.
   Realistically, how can you expect an answer to your hypothetical
question? - You paint a picture of someone who lives in such a horrific
environment that 8 of their 10 outside cats are killed in a relatively short
period of time, and then ask them whether they might consider keeping their
cats inside.....this is ridiculous. I would consider not keeping any cats at
all before I considered keeping 10 cats inside. Is that an answer?
Just for the record. I lived on the intersection of Santa Cruz Avenue and
Sand Hill Road in Menlo Park, California for 15 years. During that time I
had a couple of cats, and my neighbor had one, and none of the three were
run over by vehicles, even though cars, trucks, and busses went by 24-7.
Because of the traffic on that intersection, I would never have considered
getting a cat. The two I had wandered in from somewhere else, and all I did
was to give them shelter and food. I made no attempt to get them to stay
with me at all, nor did I expect them to survive for very long. They both
did survive for over ten years, however, and died natural deaths.
Baldoni - 17 Jan 2008 11:31 GMT
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>> >PMcOuntry explained on 09/01/2008 :
>>>> Hi, one of my male cats (3 years old) has decided all of a sudden that
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> back in. If that doesn't do it, then try two hours.....Pretty soon, he'll
> think twice before he goes out.

I have tried similar with my cats at night and it never worked.  I was
led to believe that cats would get the idea of when the door would be
locked for the final time at night.

I have locked them out all night and it served no purpose.  2 of my
cats expect to go out at night and will keep on at me unless I let them
out.  I reckon it is safer outside for cats at night though.

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William Graham - 17 Jan 2008 19:53 GMT
"Baldoni" <baldoniXXV@nomail.com> wrote in message >
> I have locked them out all night and it served no purpose.  2 of my cats
> expect to go out at night and will keep on at me unless I let them out.  I
> reckon it is safer outside for cats at night though.

My cats too, only go out at night. And, in the Winter, they hardly go out at
all. Even in the Summertime, they stick close to the house, and seldom leave
the property. The feral cat was the only exception, and he is being neutered
even as I write this........
PMcOuntry - 16 Jan 2008 17:22 GMT
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Thanks, yes that is what  I did ask, I DO NOT want him outside at all.
William Graham - 16 Jan 2008 20:16 GMT
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Thanks, yes that is what  I did ask, I DO NOT want him outside at all.

Cats are cats.....They aren't dogs. If a cat wants something, he will pretty
well get it sooner or later.....that's the charm of the animal. YOU may not
want the cat to go outside, but HE does want to go outside. Ultimately,
there is nothing you can do to change his mind. What he wants is natural to
the animal. It is a part of his karma. You can give him away to someone who
lives in a more hospitable environment for an outside cat, and get another
cat that (hopefully) will be happier about being locked up inside (try a
female kitten), but there is nothing you can do that will take away your
cat's curiosity about the great outdoors.
Kathy P. - 17 Jan 2008 01:14 GMT
> On Jan 15, 3:04 pm, kraut <NewsGroupsPle...@NewsGroupsPlease.org>
> wrote:
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> inside (try a female kitten), but there is nothing you can do that will
> take away your cat's curiosity about the great outdoors.

If the cat gets sppoked by something in the great out of doors it will want
to stay in. If it gets out, try to scare it good. Make sure it can get back
in quickly. It worked with my cat. She's not as anxious to get out anymore
after getting a good scare once....
Baldoni - 17 Jan 2008 11:37 GMT
William Graham formulated on Wednesday :
> On Jan 15, 3:04 pm, kraut <NewsGroupsPle...@NewsGroupsPlease.org>
> wrote:
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> kitten), but there is nothing you can do that will take away your cat's
> curiosity about the great outdoors.

It is only natural that a cat would want to go outdoors.  Outdoors is
where they originated after all.  Same thing with a caged bird, let the
bird out of the cage and leave a window open and the bird will fly out.
The simple reason is these creatures are supposed to go outside and
not held to the whim and wishes of humans.

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David - 18 Jan 2008 03:38 GMT
> It is only natural that a cat would want to go outdoors.  Outdoors is
> where they originated after all.  Same thing with a caged bird, let the
> bird out of the cage and leave a window open and the bird will fly out.
> The simple reason is these creatures are supposed to go outside and not
> held to the whim and wishes of humans.

Are you calling my cat UNnatural, punk?
unsually_unique@yahoo.com - 18 Jan 2008 20:24 GMT
> > It is only natural that a cat would want to go outdoors.  Outdoors is
> > where they originated after all.  Same thing with a caged bird, let the
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>
> Are you calling my cat UNnatural, punk?

I guess my kitty is unnatural too cause she doesn't ever go outside.
I open the door and try to coax her out but she doesn't want any part
of it!

DWMeowMix
PMcOuntry - 19 Jan 2008 17:00 GMT
> > It is only natural that a cat would want to go outdoors.  Outdoors is
> > where they originated after all.  Same thing with a caged bird, let the
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>
> Are you calling my cat UNnatural, punk?

LMAO

I have 3 cats, the one who wants out, but is starting to understand
DOOR = WATER, 1 who sees a door open and runs the other way, and 1 who
was a feral cat, rescued, and you would THINK would want out, but
nope, he doesn't.  So I guess I have 2 UNnatrual cats too...
Baldoni - 22 Jan 2008 18:29 GMT
David explained on 18/01/2008 :
>> It is only natural that a cat would want to go outdoors.  Outdoors is where
>> they originated after all.  Same thing with a caged bird, let the bird out
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>
> Are you calling my cat UNnatural, punk?

I am not calling your cat anything.  Punk ?  I served 8 years with the
Royal Marines and I am packing a Glock, a .44 and .38.

Clint Eastwood is a choirboy compared to me.

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David - 23 Jan 2008 03:20 GMT
> David explained on 18/01/2008 :
>>> It is only natural that a cat would want to go outdoors.  Outdoors is
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>
> I am not calling your cat anything.

Then how do you explain your claim that "it is only natural that a cat would
want to go outdoors," considering that my cat does NOT want to go outdoors?

> Punk ?  I served 8 years with the Royal Marines and I am packing a Glock,
> a .44 and .38.

What are you suggesting?

Sounds to me like you're more sensitive than most women I know.  Do most
Royal Marines think the use or even mention of a handgun is justified after
a verbal attack?

Your attitude seems no different than the trigger-happy individuals down the
street in Detroit.  The first time I called you a punk I meant it as a joke-
now you've actually earned the title, punk.

> Clint Eastwood is a choirboy compared to me.

Clint Eastwood is an actor.  Perhaps you meant to refer to the ficticious
characters he has played such as Dirty Harry?

David
Baldoni - 24 Jan 2008 08:45 GMT
David wrote :
>> David explained on 18/01/2008 :
>>>> It is only natural that a cat would want to go outdoors.  Outdoors is
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>
> David

I know you were only joking.

Irony is lost on you is it not ?

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David - 24 Jan 2008 15:44 GMT
> David wrote :
>>> David explained on 18/01/2008 :
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>
> Irony is lost on you is it not ?

Depends entirely on how witty it is.
skinnysteve - 25 Jan 2008 12:04 GMT
>> David wrote :
>>>> David explained on 18/01/2008 :
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>
>Depends entirely on how witty it is.

i hope this cat has been finely let out afterall
David - 25 Jan 2008 15:23 GMT
>>> David wrote :
>>>>> David explained on 18/01/2008 :
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>>
> i hope this cat has been finely let out afterall

I picked him up and put him down outside the other day... He scratched the
#^&$ out of me on the way out the door and hauled kitty butt back inside
before I could close the door.
Baldoni - 24 Jan 2008 08:49 GMT
David explained :
>> David explained on 18/01/2008 :
>>>> It is only natural that a cat would want to go outdoors.  Outdoors is
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> Then how do you explain your claim that "it is only natural that a cat would
> want to go outdoors," considering that my cat does NOT want to go outdoors?

It is natural for cats in general to want to go outdoors in general.  
Cats having originated outdoors.  Your cat may be an exception but I
can assure you that the British have been keeping cats a hell of a lot
longer than North Americans and outdoors at that.

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Dan Espen - 24 Jan 2008 13:29 GMT
> David explained :
>>> David explained on 18/01/2008 :
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>>
> It is natural for cats in general to want to go outdoors in general.

So now you're calling my cat "unnatural in general".
Much better.

> Cats having originated outdoors.

Everything originated outdoors.
Better let the parakeet out.

> Your cat may be an exception but I
> can assure you that the British have been keeping cats a hell of a lot
> longer than North Americans and outdoors at that.

So your theory is that the British have over a thousand years of
some kind of cultural memory of cats, whereas, people in the US
only have a couple of hundred years of this "cultural memory".
Therefore, anything you tell us, must be correct.

Sounds right to me.
 
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