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My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about a month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had to take him back because the dressing came off but still got charged. They have to knock him out to change the dressing. I have seen the final X-rays and the bones have healed so they put a light dressing. When it came off I could see he could put pressure on it and can walk. I got hit for another £38 today and they think I am going back next week. I have taken enough knocks on the rugby field and seen enough injuries to know that I need not take him back for them to take this over £400. I was in the forces and have a rudimentary knowledge of this sort of thing. I have spoken to the trainer at the local club about injuries and how they heal. I ask this if I leave this dressing on for a week and then put one on of my own will I be breaking any laws. I think not but I have a hell of a lot of cash shelling out at the moment. I believe the vet is calling him back unnecessarily and so I intend to treat him myself. My uncle runs a gym and he is capable of dressing his paw. Take note I intend under no circumstances to dope up the cat. I love my animals and will never harm them. Does this sound fair to you ?  SignatureCount Baldoni > I love my animals and will never harm them. > > Does this sound fair to you ? Regardless, I think you'll find that's illegal. Signature^Ï^ <snipe@notforspam.fsnet.co.uk> Sn!pe laid this down on his screen : >> I love my animals and will never harm them. >> >> Does this sound fair to you ? > > Regardless, I think you'll find that's illegal. Which part ? SignatureCount Baldoni > >> I love my animals and will never harm them. > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Which part ? The bit about interspecies amorous activity. Signature^Ï^ <snipe@notforspam.fsnet.co.uk> > My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about a > month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Does this sound fair to you ? You haven't entered it for a canary competition, have you? mentalguy2004 used his keyboard to write : >> My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about a >> month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had to take [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > You haven't entered it for a canary competition, have you? That poor budgie Franco came to an untimely end. I put a mate of mine up when he was black bagged and I went into town. Damn fool left the bird out of the cage and the window open when his mrs came to pick him up. My other cat Lou Lou came in through the window. When I got home it looked like kids had a pillow fight. I found his head which was scalped but never found his body. Can't blame the cat she was doing what came naturally. I blame myself for keeping a bird and cats, the thing is the other cat used to let the bird sit on his head. SignatureCount Baldoni >My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about >a month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Does this sound fair to you ? A friend's vet encouraged her to do the final dressings at home because the pet became very agitated on the journey to the vets. Have you enquired at the PDSA and RSPCA for treatment? Signaturehttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk mogga brought next idea : >> My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about >> a month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Have you enquired at the PDSA and RSPCA for treatment? I don't qualify. SignatureCount Baldoni > My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about a > month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > my own will I be breaking any laws. I think not but I have a hell of a lot > of cash shelling out at the moment. An unqualified person carrying out a veterinary procedure on an animal is contrary to The Veterinary Surgeons Act of 1966, with a few exceptions, of which this is not one. You would probably also be considered to be in breach of The Animal Welfare Act 2006, for denying the animal proper protection from pain, suffering, injury and disease. > I believe the vet is calling him back unnecessarily and so I intend to > treat him myself. Only another vet could give a valid opinion on that. > My uncle runs a gym and he is capable of dressing his paw. It is illegal, under The Veterinary Surgeons Act of 1966, for even a fully qualified doctor to carry out such a procedure on an animal. From my experience of vets fees, I think you are getting off very lightly. Perhaps there is a case for considering insuring your cat against future vets fees. One of mine has cost several thousands of pounds over the past three years. Colin Bignell nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted >An unqualified person carrying out a veterinary procedure on an animal is >contrary to The Veterinary Surgeons Act of 1966, with a few exceptions, of >which this is not one. You would probably also be considered to be in breach >of The Animal Welfare Act 2006, for denying the animal proper protection >from pain, suffering, injury and disease. How extraordinary. It is perfectly legal for a human to dress another human's wound, but not legal for him to dress an animal's wound, because that would be risking suffering to the animal. >> I believe the vet is calling him back unnecessarily and so I intend to >> treat him myself. > >Only another vet could give a valid opinion on that. Again extraordinary. A lay human can often give a valid opinion on whether he can safely dress another human's wound. But it would be too dangerous to allow him to give an opinion about whether to dress an animal's wound. >> My uncle runs a gym and he is capable of dressing his paw. > >It is illegal, under The Veterinary Surgeons Act of 1966, for even a fully >qualified doctor to carry out such a procedure on an animal. Looks like the vets have got their monopoly nicely sewn up. No wonder they are able to charge so much. >From my experience of vets fees, I think you are getting off very lightly. >Perhaps there is a case for considering insuring your cat against future >vets fees. One of mine has cost several thousands of pounds over the past >three years. Sounds like there's a case for changing the law. SignaturePeteM -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > he can safely dress another human's wound. But it would be too dangerous > to allow him to give an opinion about whether to dress an animal's wound. Agreed. Coincidentally, my wife's cat hurt his paw and needed treatment and antibiotics. I'm sure that us changing his dressing would be far less traumatic for him than us holding him down and forcing these tablets down his throat 3 times a day. > nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Sounds like there's a case for changing the law. Possibly the difference is that human beings come in one particular type, whereas the variety of animals and other creatures that veterinary practitioners have to treat is extensive, all of which have their own funny little needs. Given the chance, and in the absence of the world's greatest health service, I'm sure doctors wouldn't hesitate to charge you an awful lot more. Look what's happened with dentists since the NHS dropped out of the scene! SignatureMoving things in still pictures! PeteM submitted this idea : > nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > -- > PeteM I reiterate the point I made the other day. The vet has the licence to print money. The cheeky bastards charged me £3 for this 4 packets of special food. It reminds me of the shoe shop when you pay a fair wack for a pair of shoes and they have to tap you to buy the special polish. Moneyite society. SignatureCount Baldoni > nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > human's wound, but not legal for him to dress an animal's wound, because > that would be risking suffering to the animal. It is legal in some circumstances, such as giving first aid. However, in other cases, the principle is that a human can accept or decline assisstance from an unqualified person and may be able to sue if the assistance makes things worse, whereas an animal cannot and thus needs to be protected by law. >>> I believe the vet is calling him back unnecessarily and so I intend to >>> treat him myself. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > he can safely dress another human's wound. But it would be too dangerous > to allow him to give an opinion about whether to dress an animal's wound. That is not what my reply says or implies. The OP thinks that the vet is calling the cat back needlessly. I doubt that is something a layman can adequately judge. >>> My uncle runs a gym and he is capable of dressing his paw. >> >>It is illegal, under The Veterinary Surgeons Act of 1966, for even a fully >>qualified doctor to carry out such a procedure on an animal. > > Looks like the vets have got their monopoly nicely sewn up. Doctors only know one animal, but they know that one in considerable depth. Vets have to know a variety of animals and their medical pecularities, of which the cat has many. I used to share a flat with a couple of vet students and 'expecially the horse and except the cat' seemed to be a common phrase in their lectures. > No wonder they are able to charge so much. They are highly trained professionals, who are entitled to charge the going rate for a skill they have taken years to acquire. However, IME they are relatively cheap when compared to the cost of private medicine. >>From my experience of vets fees, I think you are getting off very lightly. >>Perhaps there is a case for considering insuring your cat against future >>vets fees. One of mine has cost several thousands of pounds over the past >>three years. > > Sounds like there's a case for changing the law. It was changed only recently. Pet owners now have a statutory duty to ensure the welfare of their pets, including ensuring they have proper veterinary care, although I question whether anyone who has to be compelled to what the Act requires is really suited to be a pet owner. Colin Bignell "nightjar .me.uk>" <cpb@<insert my surname here> wrote in message > It was changed only recently. Pet owners now have a statutory duty to ensure > the welfare of their pets, including ensuring they have proper veterinary > care, although I question whether anyone who has to be compelled to what > the Act requires is really suited to be a pet owner. > > Colin Bignell I all goes along with the liberal's love for unenforceable laws. Here, the vets will kill your pet for you if you ask him/her to. I just paid $883 to get one of mine cured via abdominal surgery. They would have killed her for $100. I don't know what the law reads, but I know that whatever it says, there is no way they can enforce it. I have known people who routinely kill cats by drowning or shooting them. And there are many who think I am crazy for paying that much to get mine cured. Part of the problem, I believe is the Christian belief that animals have no souls, and will never go to heaven, so they are "lesser creatures", and therefore have no spiritual value. Most other religions are even worse when it comes to the suffering of animals. In my case, I don't believe that any creature, including human beings, has any spiritual value, but I know that animals suffer just like we do, and they form attachments to us, too, so they come to depend on us for their care and protection. When you acquire an animal, you also acquire the responsibility of caring for them, even if it cost you big money. I could have left B-K in that Burger King parking lot, to live off of French fries for the rest of his short life. but I didn't. And when I took him home, I assumed the responsibility of taking care of him to the best of my ability for the rest of my life. The same is true of my other three cats. >It was changed only recently. Pet owners now have a statutory duty to ensure >the welfare of their pets, including ensuring they have proper veterinary >care, although I question whether anyone who has to be compelled to what the >Act requires is really suited to be a pet owner. Dunno about that. The problem with these types of laws is that the decision as to whether they are being broken is extremely subjective. In this case it would be the subjective opinion as to whether an animal required vetinary treatment or not. The people who enforce the law - in this case presumably the RSPCA - tend to use increasingly lower limits to decide whether or not the law is being contravened, until owners will be forced to take their pet to the vet for the slightest complaint. SignatureCynic >>It was changed only recently. Pet owners now have a statutory duty to >>ensure [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > is being contravened, until owners will be forced to take their pet to > the vet for the slightest complaint. This is true. The vet told me that if my Meggie had a cancer that had spread to other organs of her body, they would just put her to sleep on the operating table. This is not something that a human doctor would do to/for a human being. They would sew you back up and let you suffer along until you died of the cancer. So, in some ways, the animals are better off....... ||| nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted || [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] || However, IME they are relatively cheap when compared to the cost of || private medicine. The same could be said of electricians, and the same legitimate complaint could be made should the law be changed to require everyone to call one out to change a light bulb. SignatureRob > ||| nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted > || [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > could be made should the law be changed to require everyone to call one > out to change a light bulb. Only if the light bulb is likely to suffer needless pain should it not be changed. Colin Bignell : : : : : nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted : : : : [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : : changed to require everyone to call one out to change a : : light bulb. Hardly a valid comparison. Light bulbs aren't sentient beings and don't feel pain (well as far as we know..!) Ivor || "Rob" <rsvptorob-newsREMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message || news:k56dnaUO3Olj48TanZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@bt.com [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] || Hardly a valid comparison. Light bulbs aren't sentient beings and || don't feel pain (well as far as we know..!) The comparison is in being forced to pay through the nose to have an expert do a simple job that does not require his expertise. I'm sure the OP is quite capable of replacing a bandage, I'm also quite sure he would seek expert help if he thought his cat was in any pain. SignatureRob > || "Rob" <rsvptorob-newsREMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > || news:k56dnaUO3Olj48TanZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@bt.com [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > OP is quite capable of replacing a bandage, I'm also quite sure he would > seek expert help if he thought his cat was in any pain. This is meant for the blindly "pro-vet" posters in this thread. Do you realize that cats heal broken bones within days. And even with three functional legs can still be quite agile while healing. Short of a compound fracture (bone popping out), they will mend themselves without any help at all. And a vet can often do no more than make the owner feel better. A vet once told me that if you have a broken bone just bring a cat into the room with you, and it will probably heal twice as fast. Something to do with the low-frequency purring. It's function is not just there to show you they are happy. Rob expressed precisely : > || "Rob" <rsvptorob-newsREMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > || news:k56dnaUO3Olj48TanZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@bt.com [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > capable of replacing a bandage, I'm also quite sure he would seek expert help > if he thought his cat was in any pain. I was assured that he was mended and that they wanted to put a light bandage on for two more weeks, which would have rounded it off to £400. He pulled the dressing off as soon as he got home and at the moment is zipping around the room like a Russian acrobat. I'l take him into London tommorrow to see the Queen. SignatureCount Baldoni > || "Rob" <rsvptorob-newsREMOVE@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > || news:k56dnaUO3Olj48TanZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@bt.com [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > OP is quite capable of replacing a bandage, I'm also quite sure he would > seek expert help if he thought his cat was in any pain. Yes.....One is still entitled to use one's common sense. I just hope it is always that way. But when the vets become part of the state's police force, then watch out! Rob used his keyboard to write : > ||| nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted > || [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > could be made should the law be changed to require everyone to call one out > to change a light bulb. Vets, barbers and the people who make razor blades. Bastards all ! SignatureCount Baldoni > ||| nightjar <cpb@?.me.uk.invalid> posted > || [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > could be made should the law be changed to require everyone to call one > out to change a light bulb. Just give the liberals a little more time, friend......... "nightjar .me.uk>" <cpb@<insert my surname here> wrote in message > It is illegal, under The Veterinary Surgeons Act of 1966, for even a fully > qualified doctor to carry out such a procedure on an animal. I wonder what the liberal's justification for that is? And I thought things were bad here in the US....... : : "nightjar .me.uk>" <cpb@<insert my surname here> wrote : : in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : : : : And I thought things were bad here in the US....... At least we don't have that abominable practice of declawing. FWIW I have had nothing but excellent service from all the vets I have used in 20+ years of being owned by various cats. Ivor > "nightjar .me.uk>" <cpb@<insert my surname here> wrote in message > > > It is illegal, under The Veterinary Surgeons Act of 1966, for even a fully >> qualified doctor to carry out such a procedure on an animal. > > I wonder what the liberal's justification for that is? It has nothing to do with liberals and everything to do with knowledge bases. Vets have a wide knowledge of different species and, particularly important, how they react to different conditions, medication etc. Doctors have a very narrow knowledge of a single species, although they know it in much greater depth. Colin Bignell [snip] : : From my experience of vets fees, I think you are : : getting off very lightly. Perhaps there is a case for : : considering insuring your cat against future vets fees. : : One of mine has cost several thousands of pounds over : : the past three years. Indeed. I volunteer for Cats Protection and all the cats that leave our shelter are covered for 6 weeks free of charge. It's then up to the individual owner to decide if they want to continue with it, in my experience the vast majority do, and with good reason. One cat, of whom I was very fond, was adopted apparently in full health, but unbeknown to us she had a major problem that required £1500 of surgery within 2 weeks of leaving us. (I am glad to say that she recovered fully and is now fine). Ivor on 07/12/2007, Ivor Jones supposed : > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Ivor I am pleased to say my cat is walking running and jumping and using his scratch post. I have inspected his injury and I can assure everyone that it has healed, he will let me apply pressure where he would not let me touch it at first and he has been play fighting with my other cats. SignatureCount Baldoni >> My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg >> about a month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > An unqualified person carrying out a veterinary procedure on an > animal is contrary to The Veterinary Surgeons Act of 1966 Hmmm. Section 19, presumably - "no individual shall practise, or hold himself out as practising or as being prepared to practise, veterinary surgery unless he is registered in the register of veterinary surgeons" Seems to me that this is like the CORGI-registered issue for DIY gas works - eg that you don't have to be registered/qualified unless you provide this service to others. Certainly I can't see any pet owner being liable because they've administered first aid or nursing care to an injured animal (surgical procedures would probably be regarded as cruelty). > My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about a > month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had to > take him back because the dressing came off but still got charged. They > have to knock him out to change the dressing. Buy the sh.t machine one of these and give it one extra turn for me. http://www.uel.ac.uk/subaqua/site/images/jokes/cat-carrier.jpg judith brought next idea : >> My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about a >> month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had to take [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Buy the sh.t machine one of these and give it one extra turn for me. > http://www.uel.ac.uk/subaqua/site/images/jokes/cat-carrier.jpg Novel. SignatureCount Baldoni > My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about > a month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I hadto [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Does this sound fair to you ? AIUI owners are as much the patient as the pet and if you need to ask that question you need to pay the Vet for that sense of knowing that you're doing the right thing. j Djornsk brought next idea : >> My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about a >> month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I hadto take [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** > ---------------------------------------------------------- Well the bones are fixed and I would not contemplate this if they were not but the vet tells me they are fixed. SignatureCount Baldoni >I believe the vet is calling him back unnecessarily and so I intend to >treat him myself. If you think the vet's call back is unnecessary, what do you need to treat the cat for? It either needs treatment, or it doesn't. . . SignatureJAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom Everybody has their own sunbeam JAF brought next idea : >> I believe the vet is calling him back unnecessarily and so I intend to >> treat him myself. > > If you think the vet's call back is unnecessary, what do you need to treat > the cat for? It either needs treatment, or it doesn't. . . I was just out the kitchen and when I came back I checked the cat and the light dressing which cost me another £38 was pulled off by the cat. Looking at him now there is no need for him to go back and the girl told me it was on "just in case" but the bones had healed. I know they are trying to fleece me for all they can so f.ck them. Ol Tony got caught this time but never again. They have fuckedthemseles because I put a fair bit of business their way as do my family. Problem over thank you all for your replies. SignatureCount Baldoni >My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg about >a month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Does this sound fair to you ? Would you spend £350 on a pet rabbit or gerbil: and if not, why not? People used to put pets to sleep if they got too sick or injured. > My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg > about a month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had > to take him back because the dressing came off but still got > charged. They have to knock him out to change the dressing. Let me guess. You have a pet and failed to buy insurance, and now you're whining about the cost of medical treatment? Tough. : : : My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal : : : bones in his leg [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] : : : : Tough. Especially on the innocent cat. Ivor > : : Let me guess. You have a pet and failed to buy > : : insurance, and now you're whining about the cost of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Especially on the innocent cat. Cats are not innocent - they are pure evil in furry form. "Richard Parkin" <a@b.com> wrote in message >> : : Tough. >> >> Especially on the innocent cat. > > Cats are not innocent - they are pure evil in furry form. Not mine. He's a .... well, he's a pussycat, really. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > "Richard Parkin" <a@b.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > well, he's a pussycat, really. He's a f.cking dog. SignatureI can't forget but I don't remember who "August West" <august@kororaa.com> wrote in message >>> Cats are not innocent - they are pure evil in furry form. >> >> Not mine. >> well, he's a pussycat, really. > > He's a f.cking dog. He f.cks dogs! SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > "August West" <august@kororaa.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > He f.cks dogs! Who August? No surprise really... > : : : My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal > : : : bones in his leg [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Ivor Well, perhaps he also doesn't have any medical insurance on himself either. - A lot of people can't afford it. At least he paid to get his cat treated. A lot of people would just have the cat killed, and they wouldn't bother to log onto this forum and let you know about it, either. Amethyst Deceiver pretended : >> My cat a silver spotted tabby broke 2 metacarpal bones in his leg >> about a month ago. Up to today I have spent about £350 in vet fees. I had [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tough. Wrong, I could buy the vets if I wanted to, I just rumbled a con. There is nothing at all wrong with the cat anymore. SignatureCount Baldoni
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