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Cat Forum / General Topics / October 2007Rank these canned foods!
I am close to a Petsmart and a Whole Foods, can get to a Petco and Trader Joes. I can brood over prices and look for sales, and my cat can decide the taste, but could you, the more experienced people here, please rank the following canned food brands according to nutrition: Fancy Feast Pro Plan Iams Nutro Science Diet Nature's Recipe Trader Joe's house brand Whole Foods house brand Trying to avoid the least and the most expensive. >I am close to a Petsmart and a Whole Foods, can get to a Petco and > Trader Joes. I can brood over prices and look for sales, and my cat can [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Trying to avoid the least and the most expensive. Here's a link that will help if you're worried about CRF, but I don't know if it will help with nutritional values: http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm This one is by "Consumer Research, but I don't know if it will give you what you're looking for: http://www.consumersearch.com/www/family/cat-food/index.html And Phil P's "Max's House" web site is a font of good information on just about anything feline - here's his take on feline nutrition: http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm HTH! Hugs, CatNipped : http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm : http://www.consumersearch.com/www/family/cat-food/index.html : http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm Thanks. I know #1 and #3 but didn't know about Consumer Research article. As I said in another post too, one surprise for me was to see Fancy Feast being regarded as lower level brand. I have to believe they are better, if only because I just bought a bunch of them. :) Association of American Feed Control Officials http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1&cat=1399&articleid=657 Fancy Feast: http://www.fancyfeast.com/#title=home&page=home Also a priemium Fancy Feast: http://www.elegantmedleys.com/ Big Mama got a nice gift packages from Elegant Medleys and Sheba. Sheba costs about $1.09 a 3oz. can, and is the among the most expensive I know of. I was tempted to put it on some bread and eat it myself! For all those interested, check the Web site for complimentary offers. This company is the same one that makes M&M candies...Mars Inc. http://www.sheba.com/home.asp : Sheba costs about $1.09 a 3oz. can, and is the among the most : expensive I know of...For all those interested, check the Web site : for complimentary offers http://www.sheba.com/home.asp The comp offer seems to have expired. Another thing, I haven't seen the actual product, only its web page, but the ingredient list given there is so short that while it seems "pure" I wonder if all the nutrients are there. In particular I didn't see taurine in the ingredient list. Go to above web page, mouse over cuisine, click poultry or seafood, then any particular entree. Of course food so expensive probably has balanced nutrition, :) so it must be the web site quirk. Another odd thing is, their product locator brings up grocery stores, Kmart and Target, but no Petsmart or Petco. : Another thing, I haven't seen the actual product [sheba], only : its web page, but the ingredient list given there is so short : that while it seems "pure" I wonder if all the nutrients are there. : In particular I didn't see taurine in the ingredient list. I happened to be in a Target today and stopped in to look at a Sheba can. They are marketed not as complete but supplemental food, healthy treats if you wish. It would be cheaper to just give them a little human grade chicken or tuna. "RPSinha" <rpsinha@null.void> wrote in message news:271020071951349609%> I happened to be in a Target today and stopped in to look at a > Sheba can. They are marketed not as complete but supplemental > food, healthy treats if you wish. It would be cheaper to just give > them a little human grade chicken or tuna. Reminds me of a few months ago when I was in the local Safeway. (a terrible store) They had Bumble Bee tuna on sale for 40 cents a can, and their cat food (same size) was 55 cents a can.....So, I bought several cans of the tuna.....Big mistake! It was so bad that the cats wouldn't eat it.....I wouldn't eat it either........ : Reminds me of a few months ago when I was in the local Safeway. (a terrible : store) They had Bumble Bee tuna on sale for 40 cents a can, and their cat : food (same size) was 55 cents a can.....So, I bought several cans of the : tuna.....Big mistake! It was so bad that the cats wouldn't eat it.....I : wouldn't eat it either........ I assume it was packed in water not oil? How close was expiration, may be that's why it was on sale. :) My cat goes crazy about any brand tuna at first, but gets bored after eating about 1/6 of the can. I know she is still hungry because if I give her other food, she'll eat with gusto. > : Reminds me of a few months ago when I was in the local Safeway. (a > terrible [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I assume it was packed in water not oil? How close was expiration, may > be that's why it was on sale. :) With Safeway, there's no telling......That's one of the reasons why it's a terrible store. I don't remember whether it was packed in water or oil.....I try to buy the stuff packed in water, but the cats like it either way, usually. I just bought this stuff because it was cheaper than cat food, but the cats wouldn't touch it........ > My cat goes crazy about any brand tuna at first, but gets bored after > eating about 1/6 of the can. I know she is still hungry because if I > give her other food, she'll eat with gusto. Yes. My cats usually only eat a few bites of most anything I give them. But the feral cat will usually clean it up in the middle of the night.....He keeps his own hours.......:^) > I am close to a Petsmart and a Whole Foods, can get to a Petco and > Trader Joes. I can brood over prices and look for sales, and my cat can > decide the taste, but could you, the more experienced people here, > please rank the following canned food brands according to nutrition: I have not tried, nor do I have access to all these brands, so there's no way I could rank these products. My cat just eats Fancy Feast almost exclusively. They have 50 flavors, and she's tried and likes them all. I never feed her the same flavor twice in a row...as a matter of fact, it's rare if she gets the same flavor in the same week. She has had Iams a few times though. > I am close to a Petsmart and a Whole Foods, can get to a Petco and > Trader Joes. I can brood over prices and look for sales, and my cat can [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Trying to avoid the least and the most expensive. Hi, I can empathize with trying to find a way to find the best or most nutritious food for your cat. I recently ran across an article in Animal Wellness Magazine (June/July 2007 issue). The main article is called "Pet Food Recall leaves bitter taste: What they're not telling you." At the end of that article is a link to a pet food report by a vet on pet food ranking according to nutritional values. I think it's very helpful and you might think so to. Just go to: http://www.animalwellnessmagazine.com/art/aV93_62c.htm and see wha you think. >> I am close to a Petsmart and a Whole Foods, can get to a Petco and >> Trader Joes. I can brood over prices and look for sales, and my cat can [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > http://www.animalwellnessmagazine.com/art/aV93_62c.htm and see wha you > think. Of course the cat may not care what the nutritional value is and may actually only eat the least nutritionally valuable food... : Of course the cat may not care what the nutritional value is and may : actually only eat the least nutritionally valuable food... Fortunately for me, this one is not too picky about what she eats. I just want to learn where the best value is. This knowledge can be used for other cats too, each of whom will have their taste preference. : http://www.animalwellnessmagazine.com/art/aV93_62c.htm : and see wha you think. Thanks. Very interesting. One surprise for me was to see Fancy Feast being ranked along with Friskies, Whiskas, etc. I thought it was more premium than that, perhaps at the level of Pro Plan, Iams, and Nutro. I am most surprised at any cat owner buying into Iams - given the propensity of their parent company Proctor and Gamble to carry out over 30,000 vile animal experiments per year - this fact itself was admitted by P & G to the US government some while ago. Here, in the UK there is a healthy boycott of Iams pet foods because of the animal cruelty involved - I don't want to give you the websites to look at because, frankly, they are sometimes sick and obscene in their content and doubly disturbing but .. and it's a big 'but' if you want to know why you should not put one cent into this company via it's pet foods just do a search for 'Iams' and 'animal cruelty' etc .. use your imagination, it isn't difficult to find .. as I say, I am just surprised at people who love their animals have 'Iams' amongst the food they will feed their cats who are also seen as being friends and companions .. that's all - (honest!) Regards. : I am most surprised at any cat owner buying into Iams - given the propensity : of their parent company Proctor and Gamble to carry out over 30,000 vile : animal experiments per year - this fact itself was admitted by P & G to the : US government some while ago... as I say, I am just surprised at people who : love their animals have 'Iams' amongst the food they will feed their cats who : are also seen as being friends and companions .. that's all - (honest!) Regards. I appreciate the sentiment, and I am no fan of Iams, but the only way a boycott would make sense is if we boycott all products made by all companies that participate in or benefit from animal experiments. > : I am most surprised at any cat owner buying into Iams - given the > propensity [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > a boycott would make sense is if we boycott all products made by all > companies that participate in or benefit from animal experiments. Uh,....can everyone here just shake your heads for a second and remember that this is CAT FOOD. What do you expect them to test it on ? Bad enough most cat food is actually marketed targeting people and not cats. When was the last time you saw a cat bring down a cow ? so why worry about the quality of beef cuts used. Until I see, rat, mouse, squirrel, bunny, sparrow, and grasshopper flavored cat food on the shelves, I won't believe any of that crap they put on the labels or commercials. I can understand your point about boycott's however here there is a very large organisation here in England that carries out really grotesque animal experiments on all sorts of animals from dogs, and cats and other small animals through to large intelligent primates. Rather than just sit back and passively accept this cruelty many hundreds of thousands of pet-lovers (ordinary people) boycotted their bank (The Royal Bank of Scotland) in an attempt to get them to stop giving money to this firm (Huntington Life Sciences) .. after losing many thousands of accounts the bank pulled the plug on the money going to this laboratory - and more importantly, no other financial institution wanted to fill the void .. the government had to step in and advance them finances .. so, a boycott *does* work... As for the other comment by the person who suggests that; "Uh,....can everyone here just shake your heads for a second and remember that this is CAT FOOD. What do you expect them to test it on ?" I wasn't going to bother remarking upon this comment as the original text obviously went right over their head .. nowhere does it suggest that Iams is having any problems testing their cat food, or, 'CAT FOOD' as you call it as it quite *clearly* states that their *parent company* Proctor & Gamble are the ones carrying out this vile cruel business of animal experimentation, here I am talking about skin-abrasion tests, detergents squirted into dogs eyes whilst they are held firmly in special cages, bleaches and other types of detergents being pumped into their stomachs etc - all this because they want to see what their chemicals do to living tissue .. *THAT* is what I was referring to .. as for the testing of cat food - don't you know who does this ??? I will tell you - it is people! yes, people have jobs whereby they taste and rate these foods - it is a highly professional job within the pet food industry and one must be highly trained, the remuneration is really quite good too!. All cat and dog food in the so-called 'first-world countries' have to make their pet-foods to such a high standard that it is certainly fit enough to be eaten by humans - whether one would *want to* is another matter which we are not debating here. Nearly all pet food here in the UK is made from horsemeat from three different sources, France, Poland and the former Czechoslovakia. As for the rest of their comment about 'cats bringing down cows' and strange flavoured foods (i.e. grasshopper and sparrow) I think the least said the better ... Again, as said originally, I just thought it odd that pet lovers would willingly put money into a firm like P & G through their pet food division (Iams) when a proportion of that money goes to fund this vile cruelty to animals which we love .. : Nearly all pet food here in the UK is made from horsemeat from three : different sources, France, Poland and the former Czechoslovakia. No experience with UK, but that seems like a different world form all the chicken / turkey / beef /l lamb / fish cans we have here. Horse meat?! I think if you do some research you will find that nearly all tinned pet-food is horsemeat - the ones that are labelled as being 'chicken', 'lamb', 'turkey' etc have been flavoured to give that particular flavour - even pet-food within the US of A is horsemeat too. Except, as I say, tins of meat which *specifically* say 'fish' or 'chicken' etc .. if they are chicken flavoured well you now know what it is ... .. whats with the 'horsemeat??! - it seems like a different world to me', .. do you not think that is what most pets within the US have been eating for the last 40 years - did you think it was prime beef? As it happens horsemeat is considered quite a delicacy within many countries for both humans and pets .... you have been feeding it to your pets whether you knew about it or not ... dear me ...... : I think if you do some research you will find that nearly all tinned : pet-food is horsemeat - the ones that are labelled as being 'chicken', [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : humans and pets .... you have been feeding it to your pets whether you knew : about it or not ... I remain skeptical in the US context and would invite comments and correction from others. First, labeling requirements are quite clear here and if most cans were mostly horse meat, I would expect to have come across that name a few times. Second, US pet food industry is a spin off of human food industry, which is why we have beef and lamb being served to cats (quality of meat is likely to depend on the brand and, one hopes, the price). This also argues against horse meat playing a significant role. But as I said, I would like to hear from others who know differently. >I think if you do some research you will find that nearly all tinned >pet-food is horsemeat - the ones that are labelled as being 'chicken', [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > dear me ...... When I was a kid in Lynbrook, New York, I delivered papers for pin money.....One Summer, they had a special every week....If you clipped out the coupon, you could get 11 hamburgers for a dollar at the local White Castle burger joint. So, since I had a virtually unlimited supply of coupons, I bought 11 hamburgers every week, and brought them home where my mom would serve them to me and my dad.....Wouldn't you know it, at the end of the Summer, the White Castle was busted for serving horse meat.......But it tasted pretty good to me........ >>I think if you do some research you will find that nearly all tinned >>pet-food is horsemeat - the ones that are labelled as being 'chicken', [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > of the Summer, the White Castle was busted for serving horse > meat.......But it tasted pretty good to me........ Ah, yes, White Castles-gut stuffers....buy 'em by the bag. I've never quite figured out what kind of mystery meat they use either, but there's so little I suppose it really doesn't matter. And quite likely if you offered one to your cat, they would take a sniff, and then try to bury it This reminds me about the rumors from years ago that Mcdonalds was using ground worms in their beef. The story got squashed fairly quickly when they proved that worms were more expensive per pound than beef was <g> >>>I think if you do some research you will find that nearly all tinned >>>pet-food is horsemeat - the ones that are labelled as being 'chicken', [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > The story got squashed fairly quickly when they proved that worms were > more expensive per pound than beef was <g> Yeah....For awhile, my son-in-law had aspirations of owning a worm farm......But he abandoned the idea when he realized that most people were less than enthusiastic........The White Castle in Lynbrook was one of the first short order restaurants I ever knew about, back in 1946 or so.....I can remember riding around in the car with my mother in those years, and seeing signs in the bar windows that said, "Pizza". My mother would say, "What's Pissa?", and I would say, "I don't know, mom...." Today, I would say that over 50% of the "small businesses" in this country are fast food places........ >I can understand your point about boycott's however here there is a very >large organisation here in England that carries out really grotesque animal [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > void .. the government had to step in and advance them finances .. so, a > boycott *does* work... Huh!!?? You mean using the taxpayer's money to finance their "operation" is what you call "working"? I think a little "fire in the hole" would be more in order......... .. what is it with the 'huh! and .. Huh!!?? You mean using the taxpayer's money to finance their "operation" is what you call "working"? I think a little "fire in the hole" would be more in order......... 'who' mentioned *anything* about (it) working - as for a little 'fire-in-the-hole' there isn't any sensible comment to respond with - other than to ask whether you have been watching too many war films of late ... dear oh dear ... >I can understand your point about boycott's however here there is a very >large organisation here in England that carries out really grotesque animal [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > void .. the government had to step in and advance them finances .. so, a > boycott *does* work... <snipped> Are you serious ? What GOAL did you accomplish by merely having your tax dollars pay for the same thing ? I derive no pleasure from seeing anything suffer needlessly, but if you want house cleaners that just squirt and wipe up, it has to be tested on something. You might be surprised at how many of those labs have buckled to public pressure of testing on animals and now test using humans. The homeless or college kids, are paid meager amounts to replace the animals Somehow I just don't see it being a better solution though. Regarding the original topic of cat food. I still laugh every time I see one of our furballs in the yard happily chawing down on the catch of the day, then hearing others complain that prepared cat food may not be hygienically perfect or not be flavorful enough. As the cats will start with the ears, and EVERYTHING is eaten, including bones, fur, internal organs, and whatever was coursing through those internal organs. Yet those same cats will often turn up their noses at some of the "human quality" fast foods, the kids bring home. It really makes you wonder how smart WE are. 'gee' - does *everything* have to be explained to you ... after the boycott of the Bank which funded the (disgusting) Huntington Life Sciences which led to their funds being suspended the government *did* put some tax-dollars into it but only a tiny fraction - enough to pay staff wages but not enough to carry the out live autopsies (well documented - if you choose to look), and the skin abrasion tests along with the other 20.000 other tests that they had been doing - since then, firms like HLS and the new facility at Cambridge University which experiments on primates have come under public scrutiny like never before and they are not so quick now to strip of the skin of a cat and rub bleach over it to see what happens .., so, it has and did work, so to your point 'YES' I am serious ... As for your point about house cleaners having to be tested all I can say is 'No' they don't, one of Europe's now leading soap producers (ECOVER) do not test any of their soaps or cleansers on ANYTHING other than the item being cleansed proving the point that it is not necessary to kill animals to find a good cleaner .. getting back to the original post just remember that when you buy into 'Iams' you buy into animal cruelty .. it's as simple - and as complex as that. dear oh dear .. > 'gee' - does *everything* have to be explained to you ... after the > boycott of the Bank which funded the (disgusting) Huntington Life Sciences [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > dear oh dear .. RELAX, we never buy Iams. so you can sleep soundly However my reasons are my own. It's too costly. That's even simpler. I guess I probably should not mention that my wife used the money we saved to buy some fur coats huh? > 'gee' - does *everything* have to be explained to you ... after the > boycott of the Bank which funded the (disgusting) Huntington Life Sciences [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > dear oh dear .. Testing can be carried to extremes....The way to "test" some house cleaning solution or other is to market it, and the people will buy the one that works best. The one that doesn't will not sell, and its producers will go out of business....Test complete.....No decent cleaning solution is safe around kids and/or pets, and should be locked away somewhere. >>I can understand your point about boycott's however here there is a very >>large organisation here in England that carries out really grotesque [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > What GOAL did you accomplish by merely having your tax dollars pay for the > same thing ? Exactly.....That's what I meant by, "Huh!!??" .. (gee, this is becoming tiresome) .. tax-dollars did *not* pay for the same thing - if you had read the text properly you would have seen that the money went to pay staff wages - as it was just before last Christmas and there was a fuss in the media so HMG stepped-in with some money but they did not give money to enable the company to carry on their experiments. (They nearly went bust - in fact I do believe that an US private equity firm has pumped money into this venture since). So, again, just for you, there wasn't any tax-dollars paying for the same thing - so what goal are you referring too? (did you mean 'doh!' instead of "Huh!!??") > .. (gee, this is becoming tiresome) .. tax-dollars did *not* pay for the > same thing - if you had read the text properly you would have seen that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > thing - so what goal are you referring too? (did you mean 'doh!' instead > of "Huh!!??") No. I meant Huh!? - Because of the illogic of having ones tax dollars pay for it instead of private profit money. If that isn't the case, then I take back my "Huh!?" But in any case, I think that today, most people would go further than just a boycott if someone was experimenting with animals....there are people here who would "storm the Bastille" over such a thing, so if it's done at all, it has to be well hidden from the public. I had a friend who told me that stray cats were picked up and used for such a thing....This was around 30 years ago down in Menlo Park, California.....He was very incensed about it, because he owned several cats. I agreed with him, but didn't know exactly what I could do about it. Today, I like cats more than ever, and I think I would join any group that snuck out at night and placed bombs in the buildings of such people....So, if you need any recruits, let me know...... >> .. (gee, this is becoming tiresome) .. tax-dollars did *not* pay for the >> same thing - if you had read the text properly you would have seen that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > snuck out at night and placed bombs in the buildings of such people....So, > if you need any recruits, let me know...... Just call PETA I am really sure - without doubt, that you people are good responsible pet owners who deplore such things similar to what I have described and (unfortunately) brought up for discussion, it was because the 'red-mist' rained down after seeing the (rather innocuously named) 'Iams' amongst a list of tinned foods for our pets knowing full-well what their parent company gets up to in their laboratories .. don't get me wrong, please, I am *not* an animal rights activist - never was and never will be but saying that I will not put a penny into any company that does such awful things to animals especially when it is just a commercial venture. Anyway, 'nuff-said. Respect. >I am close to a Petsmart and a Whole Foods, can get to a Petco and > Trader Joes. I can brood over prices and look for sales, and my cat can [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Trying to avoid the least and the most expensive. -------- I don't know about ranking them, but I'm firmly convinced that Fancy Feast and Pro Plan are the same food. Best regards, ---Cindy S. : I don't know about ranking them, but I'm firmly convinced that : Fancy Feast and Pro Plan are the same food. Pro Plan is about 30% more expensive at the stores near me, so that would make a good case for FF. :) > > Trader Joes. I can brood over prices and look for sales, and my cat can > > decide the taste, but could you, the more experienced people here, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. Not really, though they are probably close. The texture of the food is different. Sherry >> a Whole Foods, can get to a Petco and >> > Trader Joes. I can brood over prices and look for sales, and my cat can [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Not really, though they are probably close. The texture of the food is > different. ----------- They are both made by Nestle/Purina. They both come in all kinds of different textures: Pate, grilled, flake, shredded, chunks. How are you able to compare the textures? Best regards, ---Cindy S. > >> "RPSinha" <rpsi...@null.void> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S.- Hide quoted text - I buy a lot of both brands. It just looks different. The PP chunk varieties are denser than FF, not as much liquid. Many have rice mixed in it, which FF doesn't. Really the one that *does* look close, is the FF grilled turkey looks a lot like the PP Turkey & Rice (sans the rice of course). Then there's the new Pro Plan Selects. The texture is different in those, too. My cats have totally refused every can of that I've opened for them. Sherry
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