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I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not there to notice it. Is this something to worry about or should I just leave water around and let her nature take its course? Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food (about the only leverage I have)? > I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and > she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food > (about the only leverage I have)? If she's getting an all-canned diet, she's most likely getting all the water she needs from her diet. This is normal and nothing to worry about. It's a good sign, actually! :) Of course, you should still have water available at all times in case she needs some. >I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and > she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not > there to notice it. Likely. > Is this something to worry about or should I just leave water around > and let her nature take its course? Unless you see dust clouds come out of kitty's mouth when it sneezes, no worry. Leave water around. and make sure its always fresh. > Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food > (about the only leverage I have)? As a long time cat owner,....THAT, I would like to see <LOL> : > should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food : > (about the only leverage I have)? : : As a long time cat owner,....THAT, I would like to see <LOL> Notice that I wrote "try" and with considerable hopelessness while I typed---wish they sold catnip flavored water. :) I have posted a couple other questions, since you have the experience please respond to those as well. Thanks. >: > should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food > : > (about the only leverage I have)? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I have posted a couple other questions, since you have the experience > please respond to those as well. Thanks. Sorry but I burst out laughing just reading that last part. As I know if a cat does not want to do something, there is almost no force on earth that can make it happen. All you can do is just to make sure "kitty" has a bowl of water near the food, and keep it fresh. Ours will still drink water after several days, but definitely prefer if it's changed daily or preferably every 12 hours. In the house we put it in old plastic 4 liter ice-cream buckets, two are always kept full for the cats. And another on the back porch for when they go roaming They can never drink it all but we know it will always be there if they need it, in case we go out or forget. I don't think you will find anyone with all the answers when it comes to cats. All I know is that over the years we got to the point where we don't get too concerned about what the cats do or eat. They seem to know what they need. We have one here that eats chocolate, and not only eats it but if anyone has a chocolate bar, will follow you around the house like you had a raw fish, until you get her a piece, and never gets sick.. The others won't touch it. We've also had cats who never cared for catnip. So go figure. Left outdoors they savor rats, bugs, and grass, and will drink week old water from a used tire, and seem no worse for it. So whatever you do will be fine. >>I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and >> she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > As a long time cat owner,....THAT, I would like to see <LOL> Reminds me of a joke by "Bugs" Baer, a columnist for the old New York Journal American.....He said, "You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to swim on his back, you're got something." > I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and > she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not > there to notice it. More than likely drinking when you don't see her. She could also be drinking from other sources, and even rain water. > Is this something to worry about or should I just leave water around > and let her nature take its course? Absolutely leave out fresh clean water on a daily basis regardless. > Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food > (about the only leverage I have)? You can't force a cat to do anything. >> I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and >> she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not >> there to notice it. > > More than likely drinking when you don't see her. > She could also be drinking from other sources, and even rain water. My cats love rain water, old dirty fountain water, and any water that isn't fresh and chlorine smelling. > My cats love rain water, old dirty fountain water, and any water that isn't > fresh and chlorine smelling. Yes. Big Mama has 2 water supplies outside seperate from the elements... yet if it rains, she'll drink that instead. > You can't force a cat to do anything. There's really nothing you can force a cat to do, is there? You can't force them to go to sleep, to sit still for a picture, to be affectionate when you want or anything. Mike in Illinois >> I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and >> she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You can't force a cat to do anything. > I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and > she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food > (about the only leverage I have)? Your cat will definatly tell you if its thirsty! Yours sounds ok, don't worry! If you don't see signs of dehydration, she's fine. Cats need fresh water everyday so change it daily! Also cats can't be forced to do anything. > shadowtiger4@gmail.com> wrote in message > Also cats can't be forced to do anything. Sure they can. If I want my cat to move in a particular direction, I pull her tail lightly in the opposite direction. Works most every time.... Unless of course, she's in a fighting mood and then she flips backwards, bear-hugs my ram and sinks her teeth into it. <g> >> shadowtiger4@gmail.com> wrote in message >> Also cats can't be forced to do anything. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of course, she's in a fighting mood and then she flips backwards, bear-hugs > my ram and sinks her teeth into it. <g> What are you doing with your ram anywhere near your cat? That's just perverted.  SignatureNicolaas. ... A real person has two reasons for doing anything: a good reason and the real reason. >>> shadowtiger4@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> Also cats can't be forced to do anything. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > What are you doing with your ram anywhere near your cat? That's just > perverted. What's a "ram"? "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message > What's a "ram"? A mistyped "arm". "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message > What's a "ram"? A mistyped "arm". > "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >> What's a "ram"? > > A mistyped "arm". And if you've ever had a mistyped arm, you know how painful that can be. >> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> What's a "ram"? >> >> A mistyped "arm". > > And if you've ever had a mistyped arm, you know how painful that can be. LOL! - I thought it was some kind of stick one would use to coerce cats into going where you want them to go........I'm glad that its just an arm....That's what I use, too. (and my hand has the scratches to prove it.) > I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and > she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food > (about the only leverage I have)? YOu can lead a cat to water, but you cant make her drink, said the wise old sage of yesteryear. Beebe seems to have an interest in drinking out of the toilet bowl on the second floor so I put a dish of water next to the toilet and Ive seen him drinking out of it. Actually when I notice that he's gone into that bathroom I usually go in and change the water in the dish and he drinks out of it. >I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and > she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food > (about the only leverage I have)? Go to petsmart.com & buy a "water fountain" water dish. It causes the water to flow through the dish. Cats love running water. Ours will drink only from it; they will not drink standing water. And take the cat to the vet to get its blood tested. Vet will know what to test for. > >I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and > > she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to flow through the dish. Cats love running water. Ours will drink only > from it; they will not drink standing water. Keep in mind that there's no reasonable way to get the water _out_, so you'll have to carry the full contraption to the sink to clean it. And change the charcoal filter every once in a while, otherwise it gets fouled. With those caveats, my cat loved it, and it was nearly silent. Hard to tell it's running except for the presence of water on the ramp. Signature-eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 > A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html >I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and > she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food > (about the only leverage I have)? She probably is drinking in public, but you should get the "recycling fountain" dish. > I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and > she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food > (about the only leverage I have)? I didn't see this mentioned, so I thought I would mention it. One thing you could do is add a little water to her canned food and mix it in. That will give her a little more water intake. You could also turn on a water faucet really slow and see if she will drink from it and do that a couple times a day. Perhaps put a little toy in the sink also to encourage her, Max loves to drink that way and then play with a toy mouse in the sink. Your vet could always run a test to check for hydration. You can also do it at home one of two ways. 1. I check hydration on my crf kitty every day this way: Feel her gums (hopefully you will be able to) If they feel slick, she is well hydrated. If they feel sticky or tacky, she is not and this is a problem. A vet visit would then be in order. OR 2. Gently pull the fur at the nape of her neck. If it bounces right back, she is hydrated. If it stands up or goes down slowly, you have a problem and she is not getting enough water. I have been told about this method, but it doesn't work for me, but it might for you, I use the first method. HTH >I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and >she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Should I try to insist that she drink some water before serving food >(about the only leverage I have)? You should have a bowl of fresh water available The best bowl is ceramic and wide so whiskers don't touch side. That said cats don't drink much water Petzl -- <http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/default.aspx> or <http://tinyurl.com/7a7wt> Complete Windows Protection (Genuine Microsoft Part) 90 days *free* trail from Microsoft : You should have a bowl of fresh water available : The best bowl is ceramic and wide so whiskers don't touch side. The water bowl is stainless steel and 6" in diameter. Her food plates are china, also 6" indiameter, with very gentle "lip" at the edge. The plates and the bowl aren't from a "pet store". They were just our old stock sitting around that we weren't using. I always have water available, change it about twice daily, usually at the feeding time. The funny thing is, every time I set down the water bowl, she keeps running with great excitement thinking it is food, even sniffs the water, and then goes back to waiting for the food. Now, the water bowl looks very different from food plates and I thought she would learn to tell the difference but she takes no chances. :) >: You should have a bowl of fresh water available >: The best bowl is ceramic and wide so whiskers don't touch side. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >water bowl looks very different from food plates and I thought she >would learn to tell the difference but she takes no chances. :) Stainless Steel is also a excellent choice. Nothing wrong with a saucer from cupboard Cats also have a high sensitivity to taste (often not liking plastic) a drop or two of fish water in it may also tempt a cat to drink. You may wish to try mineral water in a saucer That said my 2 old alley cats (inside outside) love a coke cola bottle screwed into plastic bowl filled weekly with tap water, at end of week it is ½ empty (2 litre) The water I give with their food is rarely touched All pets except for horses do not sweat cats, I believe, evolved from desert areas. Point is cats do not drink much Petzl -- <http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/default.aspx> or <http://tinyurl.com/7a7wt> Complete Windows Protection (Genuine Microsoft Part) 90 days *free* trail from Microsoft : Cats also have a high sensitivity to taste (often not liking plastic) : a drop or two of fish water in it may also tempt a cat to drink. You : may wish to try mineral water in a saucer Where do you get "fish water"? Of course I could save the water from tuna cans and in a small bottle and try that. But as I said in another post, I am less anxious now that I have seen her take a few sips a couple times. It was when we had to leave dry food for her. So she has pretty good idea of when she needs water and may be I should just leave her alone. :) >: Cats also have a high sensitivity to taste (often not liking plastic) >: a drop or two of fish water in it may also tempt a cat to drink. You >: may wish to try mineral water in a saucer > >Where do you get "fish water"? Of course I could save the water from >tuna cans and in a small bottle and try that. Tuna or Sardine cans even a chunk of cat food in cats water I doubt if it matters Petzl -- <http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/default.aspx> or <http://tinyurl.com/7a7wt> Complete Windows Protection (Genuine Microsoft Part) 90 days *free* trail from Microsoft >> I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and >> she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > That said cats don't drink much water > Petzl What's bad about metal bowls ? Jon >>> I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and >>> she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jon Cats love to drink from dirty water pools. Mine like to drink from our birdbath, even if the water hasn't been changed in weeks......Rain water pools are their favorite. I leave them fresh water inside the house, but they still love the dirty stuff. - Maybe they are turned off by the faint taste of chlorine....I don't know what it is....... William Graham wrote on 11/04/2008 : >>>> I haven't seen my cat drink any water. I do feed her 100% canned and >>>> she spends several hrs outdoors, so could be drinking when I am not [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > still love the dirty stuff. - Maybe they are turned off by the faint taste of > chlorine....I don't know what it is....... Are they OK with metal bowls though ? SignatureCount Baldoni > William Graham wrote on 11/04/2008 : >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Are they OK with metal bowls though ? I don't use metal bowls, but I don't think it would hurt the cats, especially if it was made out of aluminum or stainless steel.....I would avoid copper and/or brass. > Cats love to drink from dirty water pools. Mine like to drink from our > birdbath, even if the water hasn't been changed in weeks......Rain water > pools are their favorite. I leave them fresh water inside the house, but > they still love the dirty stuff. - Maybe they are turned off by the faint > taste of chlorine....I don't know what it is....... My cat has been caught drinking out of the fishbowl- one fish, pretty testy about his small bowl. She laps up water unless she gets caught. She doesn't seem to want the fish, but maybe it's because he (the fish) keeps moving. It's the same water she has in her fountain, except it has a fish and fish leavings/food in it... Kathy >> Cats love to drink from dirty water pools. Mine like to drink from our >> birdbath, even if the water hasn't been changed in weeks......Rain water [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and fish leavings/food in it... > Kathy Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions of years by drinking the foulest water they could find......:^) "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message > Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions of > years by drinking the foulest water they could find......:^) Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life. > "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be > happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life. Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable one. But that's me. Ivor >> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ivor Ivor is stupid enough to think that indoor cats are somehow unhappy when nothing could be further from the truth. >>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Ivor is stupid enough to think that indoor cats are somehow unhappy > when nothing could be further from the truth. Possibly, but from experience I believe they'd be *happier* if allowed outside. Ivor >>>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > outside. > Ivor I don't want to continue this argument beyond this post. Most people live in places where the potential for a cat getting severely injured or killed outside is very great. Cats have been living with people in houses for thousands of years. They're not mountain lions, they're housecats. The idea that it us better for everyone to let their cat play in the street and potentially live a very short life rather than be safe indoors and live a long life is utterly ridiculous. I could possibly understand it if someone lived far from civilization but that would probably present threats from wild animals. Perhaps it is just that cats have been miserable living indoors with Ivor, which after reading his posts I can understand. [snip] > The idea that it us better for everyone to let their cat play in the > street and potentially live a very short life rather than be safe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cats have been miserable living indoors with Ivor, which after > reading his posts I can understand. You don't know me, the area where I live, or the cats I have had over the last 30 years, all of whom have been allowed out and all of whom have lived for 16+ years. Please don't make assumptions. Ivor "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message > You don't know me, the area where I live, or the cats I have had over the > last 30 years, all of whom have been allowed out and all of whom have > lived for 16+ years. Please don't make assumptions. Actually, you're the one making assumptions by thinking that indoor only cats are miserable or even remotely unhappy. By your statement "Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable one" can we believe that you'd be perfectly happy to spend all your time eating, drinking and screwing around and then dying by the age of thirty from a combination of AIDS, diabetes and cirrhosis of the liver? > "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message >> You don't know me, the area where I live, or the cats I have had [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the age of thirty from a combination of AIDS, diabetes and cirrhosis > of the liver? You can believe whatever you like. FWIW I never once said indoor only cats are miserable. I merely said I believe they would be *happier* if allowed out. And you still don't know me or any of my cats. Ivor >> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message >>> You don't know me, the area where I live, or the cats I have had [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > FWIW I never once said indoor only cats are miserable. I merely said I > believe they would be *happier* if allowed out. Just move up the thread a bit: Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable one. But that's me. Ivor >> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message >>> You don't know me, the area where I live, or the cats I have had [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > And you still don't know me or any of my cats. I know that you are willing to endanger the animals who trust you to protect them because you're too lazy to clean a litter box. Couch it in all the noble "be fwee wild thing" philosophy you want, and there it still is. In news:4803e994$0$2847$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com, cybercat <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason: [snip] : > FWIW I never once said indoor only cats are miserable. I merely : > said I believe they would be *happier* if allowed out. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : in all the noble "be fwee wild thing" philosophy you want, and there : it still is. Eh..? Where did I mention litter boxes..? FWIW I spend most weekends at a rescue shelter doing exactly that. Now come up with a rational explanation as to why I should keep cats that you know nothing about inside when I live in an environment that you know equally nothing about. Ivor "Ivor Jones" spoke..... And you still don't know me or any of my cats. > Ivor Exactly........It is the unmistakable mark of the liberal to presume he/she knows what is best for the rest of us, and is quite willing to make a law that forces his decision on the rest of society, to boot.....We are today looking at what is probably going to be the most important election of my 72 year lifetime. We are essentially going to choose between socialism and democracy. I hope we make the right choice....... >>>>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > miserable living indoors with Ivor, which after reading his posts I can > understand. You should speak for your own street.....And let me speak for mine..... >>>>>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> > You should speak for your own street.....And let me speak for mine..... It only takes one car, a.shole. One sadistic kid. One dog that's faster than your cat. In news:4803eb54$0$2847$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com, cybercat <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason: [snip] : It only takes one car, a.shole. One sadistic kid. One dog that's : faster than your cat. What has a hole in a donkey got to do with it..? I don't know where you live, but we don't have that sort of thing round here. Ivor >>>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Ivor I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater to them they way I would have to were they inside cats.....And therein lies the answer. If you want to go to the trouble of making sure your inside cats are happy, then have at it. - I certainly wouldn't try to stop you. But, by the same token, have the courtesy to understand that I know what is best for my cats too. - I have neither the time nor energy to keep them happy if they were trapped inside, so they are better off outside. > I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater to > them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... Therein lies the truth. Take your cats to a shelter where they might find a home with someone who can be bothered to take care of them. >> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater to >> them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... > > Therein lies the truth. Take your cats to a shelter where they might find > a home with someone who can be bothered to take care of them. William and Ivor are two ignorant peas in a very dysfunctional pod. Cats are good judges of character, these two don't make the cut. In news:u1XMj.13829$DD2.7625@trndny04, Professor <vzey7sgz@verizon.net> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason: : >> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to : >> cater to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : William and Ivor are two ignorant peas in a very dysfunctional pod. : Cats are good judges of character, these two don't make the cut. That just goes to show that you really don't know me, the area I live in, or any of the inside/outside cats I've had for the last 30 years. Ivor > Innews:u1XMj.13829$DD2.7625@trndny04, > Professor <vzey7...@verizon.net> typed, for some strange, unexplained [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Ivor Look at Professor's history of posting....he's usually looking to antagonize someone.......just my opinion though...but now he'll be mad at me for telling it like it is...he'll follow me around again begging me to stop STALKING him.....Let your cats out, I always have and they are happy and have lived for many years....my wife's best friend is a vet and all her cats go outside.......if I were Professor's cats I'd probably rip his eyes out while he's sleeping... Peace Ivor >> Innews:u1XMj.13829$DD2.7625@trndny04, >> Professor <vzey7...@verizon.net> typed, for some strange, unexplained [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > vet and all her cats go outside.......if I were Professor's cats I'd > probably rip his eyes out while he's sleeping... Peace Ivor The difference between professor and myself is obvious.....I don't presume to tell him how to take care of his cats, because I don't know his circumstances, but he is quite willing to tell me how to take care of mine, even though he doesn't know beans about me or any of my cats. - He is a typical liberal. - I have been fighting with them all of my life. They are obnoxious people who think they know everything and are quite willing to make laws that force everyone else to live the way they think they should live. They have no imagination at all, and will be very surprised one day when they are ushered into their padded cells right along with the rest of us, because what goes around, comes around. It's easy for them, (for example) to make laws that force me to wear what they think I should wear while I ride my motorcycle, but when laws are made that force them to wear what society thinks they should wear when pursuing their favorite hobby, they will be very incensed. - But it will be far too late by then, and they will have to enter their padded cell right along with the rest of us. I just wish I could be there to usher them in......... > In news:u1XMj.13829$DD2.7625@trndny04, > Professor <vzey7sgz@verizon.net> typed, for some strange, unexplained [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Ivor Professor is one of those liberals who presume to know how everyone should live.....Exactly the way he lives......And they are quite willing to make laws that insist on it. After all, the poor riff-raff of the world couldn't make it on their own....They need the wise liberals to show them the way........ >>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... >> >> Therein lies the truth. Take your cats to a shelter where they might find >> a home with someone who can be bothered to take care of them. More likely, they would be put to sleep.....There are far too many cats to expect them to find a good home when taken to a "shelter". My cats are very happy, in spite of people like, "professor" who presume to know enough to tell other people how to live.....God save us from the liberals..... >>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > enough to tell other people how to live.....God save us from the > liberals..... William Graham addresses the post to me yet none of the text was mine. He demonstrates that with advanced age, wisdom does not always follow. >>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>>>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > William Graham addresses the post to me yet none of the text was mine. > He demonstrates that with advanced age, wisdom does not always follow. My post is addressed, (obviously) to whomever wants me to take my cats to a shelter where they will, "find a good home". I could care less exactly who that is, or who is at the header of the post.......I know you well professor, and I know the way your think. I have been arguing with those of your ilk for my entire life. >>>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to >>>>>> cater to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > professor, and I know the way your think. I have been arguing with those > of your ilk for my entire life. Framing of the issue as a liberal versus conservative issue is inaccurate. You prefer your cats outside because you don't care for them enough to want to change their litter box. Matthew is just as opposed to your don't-give-a-damn attitude yet I don't see you calling him a liberal. If your cats were children and it was a custody battle you'd lose. > >>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater > >>>>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > professor, and I know the way your think. I have been arguing with those of > your ilk for my entire life. Careful, if you argue with him he will post your phone number after some nifty cyber sleuthing.......he's a nutjob. >> >>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to >> >>>>> cater [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Careful, if you argue with him he will post your phone number after > some nifty cyber sleuthing.......he's a nutjob. I have posted my own phone number on the web many times.....Today, it doesn't matter. We have caller ID, and for a good reason. We don't pick up on about 80% of the calls we get. I am finding that many of the cell phone calls I get are also spam calls, too. It won't be long before this device becomes as useless as the regular, "wired" telephone.....Already I am keeping it on silent, or, "vibrate" mode most of the time. I am: William E. Graham, 237 Turnage Street, NW, Salem, Oregon, 97304. And My telephone number is 503-589-4347. We turn it off at night, and only answer calls from those we know. In news:irednV7874KSiJjVnZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@comcast.com, William Graham <weg9@comcast.net> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason: : >>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to : >>> cater to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : to know enough to tell other people how to live.....God save us from : the liberals..... Depends on the shelter. I volunteer for Cats Protection, who operate a strict no-kill policy, a healthy cat is never put to sleep. Some of our long term residents have been with us for years, notably Polly, who's been with us over 10 years and lives on top of the tumble dryer in the washroom :-) Ivor > In news:irednV7874KSiJjVnZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@comcast.com, > William Graham <weg9@comcast.net> typed, for some strange, unexplained [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Ivor This is commendable.....I only wish I was wealthy enough to have purchased a farm when I retired some 12 years ago. I would have many more cats than I have now. Perhaps I would be able to hire people to help me take care of them.......Cats require companionship as well as food and water, however, and I have other hobbies that require my time.....I play the trumpet in several of the local bands. Cats are also territorial, and I already have some problems with the 5 cats that I have now......Although my property is large enough for them, I don't think I could get any more cats and still be able to keep the peace. We have three females and two males, and even though they are all neutered, they sometimes fight with one another over territory and my wife's attention. >>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > William and Ivor are two ignorant peas in a very dysfunctional pod. > Cats are good judges of character, these two don't make the cut. Funny thread. I know several people who "indoor" their cats, and at least one let theirs out accidentally, and never saw it again. They swore that same arguments I see here about letting it out once and it dies. When the truth probably was that once the cat finally got a chance to get away, it probably still hasn't stopped running, is now happy, has a family, and a good job. Cats free to come and go outdoors , return because they want to. Cats held captive, will always run when they get a chance. "AMUN" <spamblocker@dumbaswisconsincows.net> wrote in message > Cats free to come and go outdoors , return because they want to. > Cats held captive, will always run when they get a chance. You're a flaming idiot. Saying that they run is giving them human attributes. Cats are curious creatures and want to get outside just because it's some place they've never been and so they go looking around. It's like any five year old child who chases a butterfly, becomes lost and can't find its way back. Only difference is that a cat usually has enough natural instincts to survive away from home. A cat new to the outside can easily got lost and not be able to find it's way back home. That's not running. It's called being in a completely unfamiliar environment without any reference point to get home. >"AMUN" <spamblocker@dumbaswisconsincows.net> wrote in message >> Cats free to come and go outdoors , return because they want to. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >called being in a completely unfamiliar environment without any reference >point to get home. And for a different point of view, Bubba the Maine Coon absolutely refuses to go outside. I leave the door open, weather permitting, and he'll occasionally look out for a moment, then turn around and do something else. On the occasions when I pick him up and carry him outside he immediately goes into full drama queen mode and acts as if I'm sticking pins in him or something. He has a special "outdoor" howl that he uses for these occasions. If I set him down, he sets a land speed record getting back inside. If the door is closed he sits and howls at the door until someone opens it and lets him in. "Claude V. Lucas" <claudel@sonic.net> wrote in message > do something else. On the occasions when I pick him up and carry him > outside he immediately goes into full drama queen mode and acts as > if I'm sticking pins in him or something. He has a special "outdoor" > howl that he uses for these occasions. Har, that's funny. In a reverse role, I'm planning on taking my three year old Deetoo out for recreation trips this coming summer. Only other times she's been out is when she's been in her cat carry bag while I roll down the street to her annual vet examination. Currently, I've been putting a halter on Deetoo and she wears it around the apartment for several hours without complaint. Next I'll attach a leash to the halter and walk her a little bit in the apartment hallways. The final part will be when I take her over to a friend's house and tie the leash to a stake in the ground and see how she likes the green grass. If she weathers that experience without too much complaint, I'll see about expanding outings for her in the future. And to the comment a previous poster made, most cat inside/outside comments are talking in absolutes. I agree with that assessment. If I lived in a house in some rural area or perhaps a farm, I'd let my cat out. But, not when I'm living in the middle of a city with 3 zillion cars zipping by and minimal trees and grass to be found. >"Claude V. Lucas" <claudel@sonic.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >when I'm living in the middle of a city with 3 zillion cars zipping by and >minimal trees and grass to be found. I once thought about trying to accomodate Bubba to a harness for outside walks, but 25Lbs of howling and wiggling panic on a leash doesn't seem like that good of an idea. There isn't much car trafic where I live and there is a 15 MPH speed limit that is observed my most. The worst danger to cats in my neighborhood is the occasional escaped Jack Russell. I got Bubba from the pound, and it really seems as if he has had a bad outdoor experience in the past somewhere. I've never seen an animal throw such a fit as when I take him outside. Even when I hold him he goes into total panic. If he was inclined to scratch or bite he'd tear me up.... >>"Claude V. Lucas" <claudel@sonic.net> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > total panic. If he was inclined to scratch or bite > he'd tear me up.... Mine Winter in the house, but spend their Summers outside on the deck, on the roof, and/or in the driveway......I protect them with two traffic cones during the Summer. (from delivery trucks who might use the driveway to turn around on my one-way street) > And for a different point of view, Bubba the Maine Coon absolutely > refuses to go outside. Haha. Go Bubba! Some cats are smarter than others. One day about a month after Gracie ran out the front door and back in, I made the mistake of carrying her to the door to see my neighbor. In a new knit pullover, no less. :) My scars have disappeared, but the shirt will never be the same. I couldn't hold her. She was 7.5 pounds of pure terror. All my neighbor saw was a grey blur. >>"AMUN" <spamblocker@dumbaswisconsincows.net> wrote in message >>> Cats free to come and go outdoors , return because they want to. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > land speed record getting back inside. If the door is closed he sits > and howls at the door until someone opens it and lets him in. All of mine are that way too. After hurricane Rita we were without electricity for over a day and had to leave all the windows and doors open just to get a little breeze and not bake to death. All of my cats walked in wide circles around the open doors afraid the scary "out" would get them. Hugs, CatNipped >>>"AMUN" <spamblocker@dumbaswisconsincows.net> wrote in message >>>> Cats free to come and go outdoors , return because they want to. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >just to get a little breeze and not bake to death. All of my cats walked in >wide circles around the open doors afraid the scary "out" would get them. He'll sit in the doorway and look out for a minute or two. I wish I had a recording of Bubba's outdoor howl. It's an amazing combination of "NNNNNOOOOOO" and "OOOOOOOWWWWWWWW" I can even put food outside and he won't go out for it. With Bubba, that's really saying something. > "AMUN" <spamblocker@dumbaswisconsincows.net> wrote in message >> Cats free to come and go outdoors , return because they want to. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > called being in a completely unfamiliar environment without any reference > point to get home. Ya, and I suppose you still believe in the easter bunny too. > Cats free to come and go outdoors , return because they want to. > > Cats held captive, will always run when they get a chance. I can tell you are a moron because you use absolutes. Morons ALWAYS use absolutes. :D My Gracie ran out the front door, heard the busy street, ran around the azaleas and right back in the front door. I bet you have had a LOT of cats, right? People like you usually do, because yours don't last too long. And who cares, you can always get another. a.shole. >> Cats free to come and go outdoors , return because they want to. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > a.shole. Well well, a bit testy are we? Just because you have a sucky neurotic cat, don't think everyone's are like that. I've had cats that lived over 20 years, and they finally had heart attacks chasing birds in the backyard. >>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Cats held captive, will always run when they get a chance. I think that if you get a cat from kittenhood, and keep it well indoors, it can lead a very happy life. but if you get cats the way I do, ones that just wandered in that someone else abandoned, who have been living outdoors most of their lives, then it is very hard to keep them as indoor cats. What's strange about, "professor" is that he presumes to know all about other people whom he has never met, and thinks the whole world lives the way he does, or at least ought to live the way he does. He doesn't have the imagination to be able to put himself in someone else's shoes or believe that it might be possible for others (and/or their cats) to keep a different life style than he does. >>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>>>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > believe that it might be possible for others (and/or their cats) to keep a > different life style than he does. Exactly the opposite. I don't give a sh.t what you do or how little care you give your cats. I object to your labeling all owners of indoor cats as prison wardens when you decree that living outdoors is the only way all cats should live. You are absolutely and completely full of sh.t. You should look into the posting history of AMUN to see what kind of nut job you have allied yourself with. >>>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to >>>>>> cater to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > should look into the posting history of AMUN to see what kind of nut job > you have allied yourself with. William is a nutjob too. Also full of sh.t. In news:480cccb7$0$2847$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com, cybercat <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason: [snip] : > Exactly the opposite. I don't give a sh.t what you do or how : > little care you give your cats. I object to your labeling all [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : : William is a nutjob too. Also full of sh.t. And anyone who has to resort to abuse to make their point has lost both the argument and any credibility they may once have possessed. I'm out of here. With my cats. Ivor > In news:480cccb7$0$2847$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com, > cybercat <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I'm out of here. With my cats. What a shame. >>>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to >>>>>> cater to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > should look into the posting history of AMUN to see what kind of nut job > you have allied yourself with. Please give the reference where I "label all owners of indoor cats as prison wardens". I certainly never said that. What I said was exactly what is printed above. That an indoor cat can lead a very happy life........Apparently, you are not only narrow minded, but you also have a problem with reading comprehension. >>>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to >>>>>> cater to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > should look into the posting history of AMUN to see what kind of nut job > you have allied yourself with. I always get a kick out of whack jobs who have nothing better to do than trace down others on USENET Get a freakin life, turn off the computer once in a while, get rid of the cat, and get a cow. > I always get a kick out of whack jobs who have nothing better to do than > trace down others on USENET > Get a freakin life, turn off the computer once in a while, get rid of the > cat, and get a cow. This is as good as a confession. AMUN aka Tilley is a hate-monger who despises even moderate Jews. That he stalks those who disagree with his lunacy speaks to his mental state. >>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cats free to come and go outdoors , return because they want to. > Cats held captive, will always run when they get a chance. "AMUN" is a nutcase who hates all non-zionists. He's tracked me here to flame me, but you can see how whacked in the head he is. He has a short attention span, he'll lose interest soon enough. >>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>>>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > flame me, but you can see how whacked in the head he is. He has a short > attention span, he'll lose interest soon enough. Oh ho,....you know I tracked you down here. I have to admit, you threw me off when you wore the tinfoil hat for a few months, and I couldn't read your brainwaves. > "Professor" <vzey7sgz@verizon.net> wrote in message .>>> >> "AMUN" is a nutcase who hates all non-zionists. He's tracked me here to >> flame me, but you can see how whacked in the head he is. He has a short >> attention span, he'll lose interest soon enough. > Oh ho,....you know I tracked you down here. > I have to admit, you threw me off when you wore the tinfoil hat for a few > months, and I couldn't read your brainwaves. Can you say killfile? I knew you could. >> "Professor" <vzey7sgz@verizon.net> wrote in message > .>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > Can you say killfile? I knew you could. I usually do rudely killfile 12 year old troll wannabees, but tend to be a more bit lenient towards the mentally handicapped. That you seem to think anyone is actually stalking you, puts you firmly in the latter group. But I do have to ask. Do you have little tinfoil hats you put on your cat as well ? >>> "Professor" <vzey7sgz@verizon.net> wrote in message >> .>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > But I do have to ask. > Do you have little tinfoil hats you put on your cat as well ? I've been on this newsgroup for years and you've yet to say anything about cats. It is clear you are here as a stalker. That I know who you are despite your frequent change of screen names must be annoying for you. Go harass some other newsgroup where your identity will likely remain undetected. I understand how those with vile notions like yours have a need to remain in the shadows. I doubt you'd have much luck convincing cat-owners to hate all non-Jews anyway. >>>> "Professor" <vzey7sgz@verizon.net> wrote in message >>> .>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > need to remain in the shadows. I doubt you'd have much luck convincing > cat-owners to hate all non-Jews anyway. Well, there's no fooling you is there ? Not only are you an expert on cats, but on stalking too. Cats going outside is a matter best left to each individual. If you don't like it, I pity your cat(s). >>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Cats held captive, will always run when they get a chance. Cats "held captive"?? Hmmm, that's an odd way of putting it; how does one know if a cat is being "held captive" or if its actually happier being indoors? Does the fact that it doesn't run for the door every time it's open mean that it's happy indoors? Or does that just mean that it's never been outside before and is treading carefully when it gets a whiff of all the new smells and hears all the new sounds? Could it possibly not run because, while it likes the outdoors because it's been out there, it had a bad experience so it's not in a hurry to go back out? How do you KNOW whether a cat is happy indoors or out? Pookie ------ No one died when Clinton lied. From a bumper sticker. >>>>> I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater >>>>> to them they way I would have to were they inside cats..... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > bad experience so it's not in a hurry to go back out? How do you KNOW > whether a cat is happy indoors or out? You don't know. Cats are curious, and they can't stand not being able to satisfy their curiosity.....Try keeping your indoor cats out of a particular room or closet. They will kill to get in there, even it there is nothing there that they want or like. This another reason why I have "outside cats". I can't spend all my time policing the entrances and exits from my large house. The truth of the matter is that my cats never go anywhere but the roof and porch, because they really don't want to go anywhere else. And all I have to do to achieve this is to not worry about them getting out. >> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable > one. That is about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. But I am not going to get in this stupid debate again that a few of you can resist to keep going >>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That is about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. The most ignorant thing *I've* ever heard is that it's ok to keep a cat indoors just because you *want* to and not because it's *necessary* to do so. There *are* circumstances where cats should be kept indoors (FIV+ etc) but they are in the minority. > But I am not going to get in this stupid debate again that a few of > you can resist to keep going You already did. Ivor >>>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > You already did. No I did not. > Ivor I am not going to debate this STUPID ARGUMENT with you or anyone else. Everyone of you that keeps coming back to this freaking argument and keep it going. You only coming back because all of you are playing who can pound their chest harder and louder. I think it is called quién es más macho in Spanish. Everyone one of you have made your point to each other multiple times in multiple post. And Guess what you still are doing it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. It gets BORING Professor has his points, William has his. Ivor you have yours, Baldoni has his. Upscale has his. I have mine this is just to name a few. And guess what you all will never change each others minds you will never agree with one another on the opposite side. A debate can be interesting but the same debate over and over and over and over and over and over gets annoying after awhile. You all seem desperate to jump on the band wagon when it rolls thru. Take up knitting it is more interesting than having to see the same thing almost every week. [snip] > Professor has his points, William has his. Ivor you have yours, > Baldoni has his. Upscale has his. I have mine this is just to name a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > is more interesting than having to see the same thing almost every > week. You don't *have* to see it. Nobody is forcing you to read it. Ivor > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ivor quién es más macho again That is true but when it dominates a news group all the time and then spreads . I don't want to kill file any of you for all of you are cat lovers and have something to contribute to the well being of cats. BUT IT IS GETTING OLD >>>>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > when it rolls thru. Take up knitting it is more interesting than having > to see the same thing almost every week. When they usher you into your own private padded cell, designed so you can't hurt yourself by making any stupid decisions, then we will see whether or not you can recognize the value of the thing called, "freedom", for either cats or human beings....... "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message > When they usher you into your own private padded cell, designed so you can't > hurt yourself by making any stupid decisions, then we will see whether or > not you can recognize the value of the thing called, "freedom", for either > cats or human beings....... That philosophy is perfectly fine when your decisions affect you only, but the fact is that almost always, whatever you do has ramifications on other people or on society. You might rail against some law like having to use a seatbelt when you're driving, but when you get into an accident and suffer a serious brain injury, the money and effort put in by other people has to take care of you for the rest of your life. As always Graham, what you view as "freedom" by many standards is essentially selfishness. >>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > But I am not going to get in this stupid debate again that a few of you > can resist to keep going It may be stupid to you, but to me it is a lot deeper than most people really understand. - It has philosophical implications that are tremendous, and not just for the cats. The whole world today is divided between giving up their freedoms to the government and letting society make their decisions for them, and standing on their own feet and going with their own decisions for better or worse. Please choose wisely....... >>>> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > make their decisions for them, and standing on their own feet and going > with their own decisions for better or worse. Please choose wisely....... No not the principal of the inside out side debate it is stupid because all of you keep doing it with each other knowing that none of you agree with one another and argue it knowing that you all disagree and have made your points to each other multiple times. I have chosen my furballs are safe I know it no one can tell me other wise only I can make that decision > > "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ivor I have 2 cats, 13 and 15 and they are outside all summer and always have been......they are in all winter. Spring and summer they are outside, hanging out in the barn or on the front porch. >> > "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >have been......they are in all winter. Spring and summer the |
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