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Treats: good or bad? Olive oil? Coons as fighters?
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Yugo - 09 Aug 2007 22:00 GMT Maybe you've seen this Whiskas ad where they say every bite is only 2 calories. But how much is 2 calories to a cat?
I feed both Whiskas Temptations and Purina Luv to my cat. It makes her expect something, I suppose. And, since I switch variety with every new pouch, it makes the food not so uniform.
But this 1 year 15 pounds Maine Coon only eats half a cup of kibbles and about 55 g. of pâté a day. That's not a lot. The kibbles are low fat (11.5%), so she's losing fat, but not weight, as she's still growing, I suppose. The small pouch she had on her stomach is smaller now. In a month from now, she should have pretty much none left.
So what about those treats? Do you feed treats to your cats?
Once in a while, when her fur doesn't look too good -- but it might be because of hot wheather and humidity -- I add half a teaspoon of Kalamata extra virgin first cold pressing low acidity olive oil to one 156 g can of food that I feed her over 3 days. It seems to help. I tried to add beef fat instead, but she doesn't like it.
Is olive oil ok for cats? After all, some supplements are made of wheat gluten oil...
But I suppose her fur would look much better if she was outside in the winter. When I was young my mother was a fur finisher -- she was sewing in the lining -- and racoon fur smelled pretty much like the Maine Coon's. (A little pelt conditioning would help with the similitude.) And, of course, racoons are trapped in the winter so that their pelt looks better.
OTOH, I suppose you can't expect Maine Coon fur to look like a persian cats'. There are spikes and waves. See, for instance:
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But if you have suggestions to make Maine Coon's fur look better, I'm open to suggestions.
Maine Coons... I don't find they look that good. As I said, they surely would look better spending a winter outside at 20 below, but whose's Maine Coon does? But they're so delicate, affectionate creatures. What a change from the mind games playing rascal I had before!
She jumps on the clothes closet and we play hot paw. She utters little war shouts, but hasn't scratched me once. What a delightful little thing!
Maine Coon are big, but I don't believe they'd be good at fighting. First, they don't feel this way, and then, I don't believe they have the muscles. My previous cat I could hang head down by only one leg and he'd climb back up. Hanged by both legs, the Maine Coon doesn't come up. One year old! My previous cat could come back up until he was 10 or 12.
I would be really afraid if she went out, accoustomed as she is to play without getting out her claws or letting her tail be grabbed until I let her pull away. She even purrs when I grab her tail, but I'm afraid a dog wouldn't play this game.
What's your experience of Maine Coons as fighters?
Ted Davis - 10 Aug 2007 01:48 GMT > Maybe you've seen this Whiskas ad where they say every bite is only 2 > calories. But how much is 2 calories to a cat? [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > What's your experience of Maine Coons as fighters? My Fleagor (<http://67.54.246.139:9000/tdavis/cats/fleagor.html>) is not a purebred, and he's a bit small for a full Coon cat, but he looks like one and has much of the temperment. He doesn't have to fight - he's alpha male in a clowder of fifteen, plus various ferals from time to time - he's so big that not even the biggest of the feral toms will challenge him.
One time a feral tom was visiting, and being hostile to my cats. Fleagor calmly walked out in front of him and sat down about twenty feet away - close enough that they could size each other up. The feral started looking around for cover or an escape route. When the feral noticed that Mudpie (the beta male) was sneaking up on his flank, he bolted and was never seen again. Fleagor walked over to Mudpie and touched noses, then calmly walked back to the house.
Fleagor often breaks up fights among other cats in the clowder, by running up to the fighting pair and sitting down or even just standing there.
He has never had a bite wound, and I can assure you that his bites are so toxic that if he had bitten any of the others, I would know about it. He's just a big nonviolent pussy cat. He's about six years old, and I've had him about five.
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Yugo - 10 Aug 2007 06:02 GMT > My Fleagor (<http://67.54.246.139:9000/tdavis/cats/fleagor.html>) is not a > purebred, and he's a bit small for a full Coon cat, but he looks like one > and has much of the temperment. He doesn't have to fight - he's alpha > male in a clowder of fifteen, plus various ferals from time to time - he's > so big that not even the biggest of the feral toms will challenge him. He might not be pure pure bred but he looks good. I don't find he's heavy at 11 pounds. As I said, my one years old female weights 15 pounds and at the shelter where I got her, her brother was much bigger. I'd say he must be weighting close to 20 pounds by now.
Still, I don't believe her sheer weight would be an advantage if she ever slipped outside. Our fighting is only playing games and I would fear that she would feel it's the same with any other cats. She's so used to keeping her claws in, I wonder if she'd have the reflex to take them out in a real fight.
Also, I know a girl who has 3 cats, a very small female, a big male and a huge male, If the female decides she's going to eat first, the males obey. I don't think size matters that much. It's more force, swiftness and combativeness.
Anyways, I don't believe she's going to slip outside. Soon as I open the door, she moves away. She seems afraid of the outside world. I remember when I brought her home, she took a quick look around and then came near me and started purring. She seemed glad, as if she had escaped surroundings that she didn't like. Maybe her Big Brother, who was always in the front of the cage putting on a show. Dunno.
Ted Davis - 10 Aug 2007 14:30 GMT >> My Fleagor (<http://67.54.246.139:9000/tdavis/cats/fleagor.html>) is not a >> purebred, and he's a bit small for a full Coon cat, but he looks like one [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > pounds and at the shelter where I got her, her brother was much > bigger. I'd say he must be weighting close to 20 pounds by now. When I made the entry about him weighing more than eleven bounds, a) he was still growing, and B) that just meant he was heavier then that Mudpie, who had been recently weighed.
> Still, I don't believe her sheer weight would be an advantage if she > ever slipped outside. Our fighting is only playing games and I would > fear that she would feel it's the same with any other cats. She's so > used to keeping her claws in, I wonder if she'd have the reflex to take > them out in a real fight. It's not the weight - weight doesn't matter too much to cats, but *size* matters a lot. The taller, wider, longer cat will generally prevail without having to get violent. Cats know when it's play and when it's serious. Now that I think about it, Fleagor was in one real fight that I witnessed: a couple of years ago I took CJ in - he was an intact and very aggressive tom who picked fights with every one of my other cats (he wound up hated by most of them, and very near the bottom of the pecking order); when Fleagor's turn came, there was a lot of flying fur ... almost all of CJ's. Fleagor had him beat on weight, but more importantly, in reach, and size of paws, claws, mouth and teeth.
> Also, I know a girl who has 3 cats, a very small female, a big male and > a huge male, If the female decides she's going to eat first, the males > obey. I don't think size matters that much. It's more force, swiftness > and combativeness. That's not unusual: my smallest three cats are females, and two of them have nasty dispositions when it cones to getting their way. I think males usually defer to females - especially if the female is aggressive - in relatively unimportant matters like food and access to the best places.
> Anyways, I don't believe she's going to slip outside. Soon as I open the > door, she moves away. She seems afraid of the outside world. I remember > when I brought her home, she took a quick look around and then came near > me and started purring. She seemed glad, as if she had escaped > surroundings that she didn't like. Maybe her Big Brother, who was always > in the front of the cage putting on a show. Dunno. You can never tell about cats and The Out - even the most convinced house cats will sometimes scoot through an open door. Fluffy and Spooky had been house cats for about ten years when I moved to the country (and installed a cat flap). A couple of years later, both of them were going out regularly. Neither of them goes far, but they do seem to prefer The Out to air conditioning, even during the current heat wave - heat in the winter is another matter entirely: they prefer that.
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Yugo - 10 Aug 2007 18:11 GMT > That's not unusual: my smallest three cats are females, and two of them > have nasty dispositions when it cones to getting their way. So, you see?
> I think males > usually defer to females - especially if the female is aggressive - in > relatively unimportant matters like food and access to the best places. You find food is not important? I sometimes bring some of my cat's dry food to the cats downstairs. They like it a lot. Rest assured that if there was enough only for one cat, the female would get everything.
> You can never tell about cats and The Out - even the most convinced house > cats will sometimes scoot through an open door. Fluffy and Spooky had [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Out to air conditioning, even during the current heat wave - heat in the > winter is another matter entirely: they prefer that. I'm sure house cats can eb easily convinced to go outside, even mine.
Ted Davis - 10 Aug 2007 21:15 GMT >> That's not unusual: my smallest three cats are females, and two of them >> have nasty dispositions when it cones to getting their way. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > food to the cats downstairs. They like it a lot. Rest assured that if > there was enough only for one cat, the female would get everything. My cats find individual instances of food relatively unimportant because there is always the main food bowl (almost never empty) and, of course, whatever they can catch outside. My cats are seldom actually hungry because they nibble all day and night. On the other hand, their lives are so interesting that the only one who is fat is Tigger, and he was that way when I got him - they burn the food off playing with each other, exploring the grounds (and hunting), and just running around for no good reason.
I do have a special feeding situation that might cause conflict: I need to feed Spooky canned food once a day, and to do that, I have to keep other cats from driving him away from his bowl. I do that with a second bowl, which the ones interested in canned food share rather politely - only a couple of them try to sneak into Spooky's bowl, and I keep those away by waving a flyswatter in their faces, sometimes tapping them on the nose. One of the more aggressive is CJ, and he usually winds up with none because all the other cats there at the time outrank him.
>> You can never tell about cats and The Out - even the most convinced >> house cats will sometimes scoot through an open door. Fluffy and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm sure house cats can eb easily convinced to go outside, even mine. Not necessarily. I gave up trying to convince Fluffy to go out. When I could get her outside, she made a point of staying between me and the door, and she put up a very noisy ojbection to be so uncomforatble. She convinced herself that The Out is actually A Good Thing.
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Yugo - 11 Aug 2007 00:41 GMT > My cats find individual instances of food relatively unimportant because > there is always the main food bowl (almost never empty) and, of course, > whatever they can catch outside. My cats are seldom actually hungry > because they nibble all day and night. On the other hand, their lives are > so interesting I wished my cat could profit from this kind of environment but, in the city, it's too problematic. There are the sick feral cats, the traffic and most probably, because it's a Coon, she'd get stolen within a day or two.
Ted Davis - 11 Aug 2007 01:29 GMT >> My cats find individual instances of food relatively unimportant because >> there is always the main food bowl (almost never empty) and, of course, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and most probably, because it's a Coon, she'd get stolen within a day > or two. The trigger for buying a place in the country was the disappearance of one of my cats that had a talent for getting out. There was a *very* cat hostile neighbor that I think had something to do with Sam's disappearance.
Now, my nearest neighbor (across the country road) also has a clowder - the cats that are dumped out here seem to go to their place. Pretty much everybody out here has cats ... or a serious mouse problem. Mostly they have cats. I just have more of them. I might note that the only two red tabby colorpoints I have ever seen live across the road from each other - I have one; they have one. Both have blue eyes. both spend a lot of time outside, but neither crosses the road, so I don't think they have ever met - they are definitely not related, and theirs is a bit more orange than mine.
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