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Cab - 25 Jul 2007 18:58 GMT
Hi folks,

Just dropping by. I've checked for a FAQ, but haven't seen anything.

My Q. I've got a wild kit in the street who recently has had four
kittens. If I catch the kittens and give them to people as pets, would
they adapt to human contact? I ask, as the mother who's been lurking
around outside my home for the last couple of years still won't let me
caress her, so I'm wondering if the kittens would have the same trait.

The (French version of the) RSPCA won't take them (as they're wild) and
suggested the town agency that's responsible for catching and putting
down wild animals. I'm too much of a softy to let this be done, but I
need to find some sort of solution.

TIA.

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Matthew - 25 Jul 2007 19:24 GMT
The younger they are when you get them used to human contact the better it
is  but not to young or you will cause the mother not to take care of them.
Here in the US  8 weeks old is legal age to be adoptable

> Hi folks,
>
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>
> TIA.
t. able - 25 Jul 2007 22:19 GMT
> The younger they are when you get them used to human contact the better it
> is  but not to young or you will cause the mother not to take care of
> them. Here in the US  8 weeks old is legal age to be adoptable

While 8 weeks is a good idea, in what jurisdiction is that
"legal" or not legal?     do you live somewhere where that is
actually codified?
Matthew - 25 Jul 2007 22:40 GMT
>> The younger they are when you get them used to human contact the better
>> it is  but not to young or you will cause the mother not to take care of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> "legal" or not legal?     do you live somewhere where that is
> actually codified?

Yes I do

Look it up for yourself in your local codes find out for yourself  for your
area :)
t. able - 25 Jul 2007 22:59 GMT
>>> The younger they are when you get them used to human contact the better
>>> it is  but not to young or you will cause the mother not to take care of
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Look it up for yourself in your local codes find out for yourself  for
> your area :)

I did.  Got curious, after reading your post.  I called animal cops here
in Dallas TX, and they told me in their experience, they never heard of
any such law/local ordinance anywhere in the U.S.   Where do you
live?
MaryL - 26 Jul 2007 04:43 GMT
>>>> The younger they are when you get them used to human contact the better
>>>> it is  but not to young or you will cause the mother not to take care
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> any such law/local ordinance anywhere in the U.S.   Where do you
> live?

I have never heard of such a code, either.  Animal welfare societies
generally say that 8 weeks should be the minimum (and 10 to 12 weeks is
preferable), but that is based on what is considered best for the cat and
not on a law or code.  Likewise, many shelters will not adopt a cat until it
is at least 8 weeks of age -- again, based on the shelter's policy and not
on an ordinance or law.

MaryL
Matthew - 26 Jul 2007 05:20 GMT
>>>>> The younger they are when you get them used to human contact the
>>>>> better it is  but not to young or you will cause the mother not to
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> MaryL

Must be only in my neck of the woods.  For all the shelters are like that
even the pet stores and the vets.  Even when advertising free kittens in the
paper.  The paper prints the law that all animals must be 8 weeks or older.
I will have to look it up and get the code.  Would not surprise me if it was
a blue law
t. able - 26 Jul 2007 16:44 GMT
>>>>>> The younger they are when you get them used to human contact the
>>>>>> better it is  but not to young or you will cause the mother not to
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>>
> Must be only in my neck of the woods.  For all the shelters are like that
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> even the pet stores and the vets.  Even when advertising free kittens in
> the paper.  The paper prints the law that all animals must be 8 weeks or
> older. I will have to look it up and get the code.  Would not surprise me
> if it was a blue law

Yes Matthew, we are all waiting with baited breath for you to put up
or shut up.     And just where is your  "neck of the woods"
???????????????????
This is the second time you are being asked.
Me thinks you   FULL OF sh.t  Matthew and you got caught?

Hint Matthew, pick up the phone and call a shelter, store, vet, even the
paper
and ask them what the notation of this mysterious  'code'  is,  then do
share
it with the group here.

Your turn...........
Matthew - 26 Jul 2007 17:40 GMT
>>>>>>> The younger they are when you get them used to human contact the
>>>>>>> better it is  but not to young or you will cause the mother not to
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
>
> Your turn...........

If you mattered I would tell you.
Ted Davis - 26 Jul 2007 21:21 GMT
> with baited breath

It's "bated breath" ... unless you have been eating sardines and want to
catch a cat.  It's sort for "abated"

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t. able - 26 Jul 2007 21:27 GMT
>> with baited breath
>
> It's "bated breath" ... unless you have been eating sardines and want to
> catch a cat.  It's sort for "abated"
                           ^^^^

Might want to 'sort' of proofread your own stuff there professor.
Ted Davis - 27 Jul 2007 01:50 GMT
>>> with baited breath
>>
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>
> Might want to 'sort' of proofread your own stuff there professor.

So I can't type.

Anyway, I was laughing too hard at the time to notice: just last night I
had been trying to catch a cat (Dandy) and the thought crossed my mind
that since my breath smelled strongly of the sardines I had for supper, I
might be able to use it for bait.  Then when I saw the phrase "baited
breath", it was all I could do to keep from falling out of my chair.

BTW, I never did catch him - he was unintrested in my baited breath but
was interested in the already licked clean can, but I did get close enough
this evening to squirt the syringe load of Frontline+ onto the back of his
neck while he was trying to squeeze his head through the crowd around a
bowl of Fisherman's Choice flavor cat food.

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t. able - 26 Jul 2007 16:48 GMT
Below space reserved for Matthew to throw a tantrum:
Matthew - 26 Jul 2007 17:43 GMT
"t. able" <ogmab@tableogmag.com>

<snipped for being boring>

Yawn  sleepy time
Matthew - 25 Jul 2007 19:36 GMT
also if you have the group rec.pets.cats.health+behav   come there  there is
a Person by the name of Phil  who runs feral capture and release programs
and can give you a lot of information
If your server does not have it  you can access it thru Google

> Hi folks,
>
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>
> TIA.
Cab - 25 Jul 2007 21:03 GMT
> also if you have the group rec.pets.cats.health+behav   come there
> there is a Person by the name of Phil  who runs feral capture and
> release programs and can give you a lot of information If your server
> does not have it  you can access it thru Google

Ta muchly for the info. Mind you, I'm not sure Phil can help me out,
unless he lives in France :-)

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Matthew - 25 Jul 2007 22:16 GMT
You never know plus he can answer questions about ferals

>> also if you have the group rec.pets.cats.health+behav   come there
>> there is a Person by the name of Phil  who runs feral capture and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Ta muchly for the info. Mind you, I'm not sure Phil can help me out,
> unless he lives in France :-)
Ted Davis - 25 Jul 2007 21:07 GMT
> Hi folks,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> around outside my home for the last couple of years still won't let me
> caress her, so I'm wondering if the kittens would have the same trait.

If they are young enough, they will adapt.  I was given three feral
kittens once (by their mother whom I had been trying to make friends with
for months).  They were about 10-12 weeks old, I think, and they turned
out to be excellent pets.

Two of my current clowder were born as farm cats and had never been
handled - since nobody actually lived on the farm, their only human
contact was when somebody came to feed them. One is very human friendly,
but the other is a bit shy. On the other hand, another pair were house
raised (and then abandoned) - one of those is a lap cat and the other
simply can't be handled at all (the opposite of how there were when very
young). All four were about twelve weeks old when I got them.

> The (French version of the) RSPCA won't take them (as they're wild) and
> suggested the town agency that's responsible for catching and putting
> down wild animals. I'm too much of a softy to let this be done, but I
> need to find some sort of solution.

If you can catch them between - say - eight and sixteen weeks old, I think
they would adapt well.  The younger the better, but not too young.

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Cab - 25 Jul 2007 22:00 GMT
> > The (French version of the) RSPCA won't take them (as they're wild)
> > and suggested the town agency that's responsible for catching and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> think they would adapt well.  The younger the better, but not too
> young.

Ta for that.

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The Horny Goat - 26 Jul 2007 05:13 GMT
>> My Q. I've got a wild kit in the street who recently has had four
>> kittens. If I catch the kittens and give them to people as pets, would
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>for months).  They were about 10-12 weeks old, I think, and they turned
>out to be excellent pets.

10 years ago there was a mother kitty who was caught with a litter of
very young kittens out in the farmer's field on the edge of the
forest. I'm pleased to say ALL of the kitties (including mom) found
homes and one of them is ours. The farmer knew our vet occasionally
took in feral cats and you know the next step.

About two days after my wife chose our kitten I went with the kids to
the bank which was close by the vet's. The vet figured she was about 8
weeks old when we got her and the first time I saw her (two days after
my wife having chosen her) the vet's assistant had just given her her
first bath and her first shots so I questioned my wife's sanity. This
was about 10 days before we brought her home after the poor thing had
the rest of her shots.  Who would have thought the squirmy, wet,
bedraggled little thing my daughter identified as "that's our kitten!"
would grow into the mature cat she has grown into! (Even if this
indoor cat likes to dash outside as often as she can!)

The first two weeks were interesting as we kept the kitten in our
girls' bedroom with the child gate set up to allow our (now recently
departed) 4 year old corgi to sniff her and get acquainted but after a
couple of weeks the gate was taken down and all was well. The girls
complained about having to climb over the gate to get into their
bedroom but they knew it was for a good cause and only for awhile.

So yes there are very definitely happy endings involving kittens of
feral cats.
t. able - 25 Jul 2007 22:24 GMT
> Hi folks,
>
> Just dropping by. I've checked for a FAQ, but haven't seen anything.

FAQs are for NetKKKops.   Post away with whatever you want.
Actually, it's entertaining to see the cry babies whine when something
*they* consider improper is posted.

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