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Alternatives to canned Science Diet k/d?

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Steve - 22 Jul 2007 23:07 GMT
For years our cat ate Science Diet canned food for adults, usually the
chicken flavor. It's very moist and somewhat mushy. However, now that
he's been diagnosed with kidney disease it's time for a change to a
more kidney-friendly diet.

My vet prescribed canned Science diet k/d. We've tried getting our cat
to eat this, but he appears to dislike the consistency of this food,
which is harder and not as moist as his regular canned food. So, I
wonder if some of the other popular catfoods for cats suffering with
kidney disease would be more palatable to my cat, like Eukanuba or
Purina? Has anyone had any experience with these and, if so, can you
describe what they're like?

We prefer to stick with canned food since this will make it easier to
keep our cat properly hydrated.

Thanks,

Steve
SantaSteeler - 22 Jul 2007 23:18 GMT
number 1 there is nothing wrong having some dry crunchy food around.  better
for the teeth and the cat.  Also have some children's unflavored pedialight
on hand.  Walmart has this at a very low price.  If you see that your kitty
is not drinking enough feed her this.  get a plastic syring and just squirt
it down their throats.  Most Kittys will eat if they get hungry enough.  I
have found that certain flavors of 9 lives areliked and none of them were on
the danger list.

> For years our cat ate Science Diet canned food for adults, usually the
> chicken flavor. It's very moist and somewhat mushy. However, now that
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>
> Steve
buglady - 23 Jul 2007 12:12 GMT
> number 1 there is nothing wrong having some dry crunchy food around.  better
> for the teeth and the cat.
.........that's a myth - dry food does nothing for tooth health.  Cats who
have kidney disease need wet food.

>Most Kittys will eat if they get hungry enough

.......bad advice.  Cats who have kidney disease can get hyperacidity and
not want to eat.  The longer they go without eating the less they're
inclined to eat.  It's imperative they keep eating.

buglady
take out the dog before replying
Kay Lancaster - 23 Jul 2007 10:42 GMT
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.med.veterinary.]
> My vet prescribed canned Science diet k/d. We've tried getting our cat
> to eat this, but he appears to dislike the consistency of this food,
> which is harder and not as moist as his regular canned food. So, I

Try this: scoop out a serving of k/d and add some water or broth, as
your vet might ok.  Either mash the k/d with the water using a fork,
or use a blender or hand blender if your cat prefers a very wet consistency.

Also, if you google "rec.pets.cats and faqs" there is in one of them
a series of recipes for various homemade diets... you can talk to your
vet about the recipes.

All of the studies I know of says that cats with kidney disease do better
on specific kidney disease diets.
buglady - 23 Jul 2007 12:16 GMT
> For years our cat ate Science Diet canned food for adults, usually the
> chicken flavor. It's very moist and somewhat mushy. However, now that
> he's been diagnosed with kidney disease it's time for a change to a
> more kidney-friendly diet.
>
> My vet prescribed canned Science diet k/d.

.......how ironic that the highly touted perfectly balanced Science Diet
food led to kidney disease.  Personally I'd try some other brand of kidney
diet.  I've never run across a cat who actually wants to eat SD k/d.  As you
said it's dry.  I don't think these formulations have enough protein anyway.
It's not the protein you want to limit, but the phosphorus.  If your vet
doesn't carry any other brands, call other local vets and see if you can get
some.  Or get in touch with them through the web and tell them you want to
try them on your cat for palatability and maybe they'll send you a couple of
cans.

buglady
take out the dog before replying
Deborah, DVM - 23 Jul 2007 18:42 GMT
>> For years our cat ate Science Diet canned food for adults, usually the
>> chicken flavor. It's very moist and somewhat mushy. However, now that
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> buglady
> take out the dog before replying

Why on earth would you say that the original diet "led to kidney
disease"????  Chronic renal disease can be worsened by certain diets, but no
diet to my knowledge can be blamed for causing it.  It's just something that
happens all too often in cats as they age.

I think that most cats actually do like the k/d.  If it is too "dry" for
your kitty, have you tried the minced chicken formula?  It is in a gravy of
sorts, and many cats prefer it to the "regular" k/d.  You can also try just
adding a bit of water to make it mushier.

Deborah, DVM
Yeww - 23 Jul 2007 18:52 GMT
Hills Foods  =    sh.t
FurPaw - 23 Jul 2007 19:21 GMT
> Why on earth would you say that the original diet "led to kidney
> disease"????  Chronic renal disease can be worsened by certain diets, but no
> diet to my knowledge can be blamed for causing it.  It's just something that
> happens all too often in cats as they age.

Perhaps she said this because several Science Diet products were
on the recall list of foods contaminated, or suspected to be
contaminated, with melamine and related products?

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/petfoodrecall/

FurPaw

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buglady - 23 Jul 2007 22:54 GMT
> Why on earth would you say that the original diet "led to kidney
> disease"????  Chronic renal disease can be worsened by certain diets, but no
> diet to my knowledge can be blamed for causing it.  It's just something that
> happens all too often in cats as they age.

..........well, that's not what the Hills guy used to say.  He actually said
once that feeding Nutro would cause kidney damage.  His philosophy was that
most diets weren't so perfectly balanced as SD and the supposed "excess"
phosphorus would lead to kidney damage.......but SD wouldn't.

buglady
take out the dog before replying
diddy - 23 Jul 2007 22:57 GMT
in thread news:8s9pi.10227$tj6.8917@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
"buglady" <buglady99@bigfootdog.com> whittled the following words:

> ..........well, that's not what the Hills guy used to say.  He
> actually said once that feeding Nutro would cause kidney damage.  His
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> buglady
> take out the dog before replying

He said it could exasperate conditions that may later cause these issues,
but he NEVER definitively said it would CAUSE it.
buglady - 24 Jul 2007 10:52 GMT
> He said it could exasperate conditions that may later cause these issues,
> but he NEVER definitively said it would CAUSE it.

.......nope.  not

buglady
take out the dog before replying
Yeww - 23 Jul 2007 18:48 GMT
Wise up!  Hills Bros. crap is the worst poison you can feed
any animal.   Then there's the corrupt realationship that Hills
has with veterinarians, for the purpose of marketing their crap
foods.   Question your vet about his/her relationship with Hills,
specifically pointing out the Hills food display they have in their
waiting rooms and why they will *only*  recommend on Hills foods.
Sharon Too - 23 Jul 2007 22:49 GMT
> Wise up!  Hills Bros. crap is the worst poison you can feed
> any animal.   Then there's the corrupt realationship that Hills
> has with veterinarians, for the purpose of marketing their crap
> foods.

Practice manager here (husband is vet/owner). What corrupt relationship
would this be? Somebody at Hills must not have invited us to this special
club, if it exists.

Question your vet about his/her relationship with Hills,
> specifically pointing out the Hills food display they have in their
> waiting rooms and why they will *only*  recommend on Hills foods.

Maybe because we only have limited space and after much education (original
and continuing) as well as years of experience and research, our doctors
*want* to sell it and recommend it (and we *do* sell other foods if
requested and they *do* recommend many other OTC foods.)

I don't know one practice that makes such a profit from a food they
recommend/sell that they will unethically risk their practice and employment
of their staff to justify such a "corrupt" relationship.

Show me da money, 'cause the profit from that center of our practice is
barely noticable.
Yeww - 24 Jul 2007 00:55 GMT
Follow the trail of the money, unless you're too stupid to figure
it out?     Why do you think Hills & vets get along so well?

HILLS  =   sh.t

>> Wise up!  Hills Bros. crap is the worst poison you can feed
>> any animal.   Then there's the corrupt realationship that Hills
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> Show me da money, 'cause the profit from that center of our practice is
> barely noticable.
Yeww - 24 Jul 2007 01:00 GMT
>> Wise up!  Hills Bros. crap is the worst poison you can feed
>> any animal.   Then there's the corrupt realationship that Hills
>> has with veterinarians, for the purpose of marketing their crap
>> foods.
>
> Practice manager here (husband is vet/owner).
///////  Nonsense  FLUSHED  /////

My job is not to educate you........get a life, unless you're
too lazy to do that too?

HILLS  =    sh.t
Sharon Too - 24 Jul 2007 01:06 GMT
>> Practice manager here (husband is vet/owner).
> ///////  Nonsense  FLUSHED  /////

You don't know what a practice manager is? I'm not surprised.

Consider the flush reciprocated.
Yeww - 24 Jul 2007 01:12 GMT
You dumb f.ck,
what exactly is  *your*  problem?

>>> Practice manager here (husband is vet/owner).
>> ///////  Nonsense  FLUSHED  /////
>
> You don't know what a practice manager is? I'm not surprised.
>
> Consider the flush reciprocated.
Yeww - 24 Jul 2007 00:57 GMT
HILLS  =    sh.t
Julie Mark - 22 Aug 2007 23:45 GMT
If  you are in Canada and can go to a Global Pet Food store, then get the
dried MAXIM (it comes in regular, maintenance and light), it has the lowest
ASH rate around, it is much lower than SD ever is. SD is quite high on the
ASH scale. Wet food generally has more Ash in it vs dried.  You can always
add some hot water to the dried food to make it moister.  I have all three
of my cats on Maxim as my 2 yr old male ended up with a UTI. Maxim is made
with Cranberries in it to help make it a more compatible product for cats
urinary systems. Im not sure if it is available in the states as it is a
Canadian product. Which was not recalled and was still in good supply!

Another trick to make your cat ingest more water is to add a LITTLE  bit of
salt to the food. It will make them thirsty and drink more. But be sure to
use only a little bit and not all the time.

Another thing is to use a filter on the water you give your cats, such as
Brita to reduce the amounts of calcium and lime in the water they drink as
this helps reduce the occurance of stones in the bladder.

Good Luck

> For years our cat ate Science Diet canned food for adults, usually the
> chicken flavor. It's very moist and somewhat mushy. However, now that
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>
> Steve

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