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William Graham - 12 Mar 2007 06:34 GMT It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we are here in the US:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.html?in_articl e_id=301419&in_page_id=1798&in_page_id=1798&expand=true
bookie - 12 Mar 2007 16:52 GMT > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we > are here in the US: > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.htm... ha ha! i haven't read the article but the fact it is taken from the daily mail says it all! pretty much everything printed in the daily mail is well known to be absolute crap, find something from the guardian or the Times and i may well read but i would not put my eyes through the pain of reading anything from the daily mail, that paper is not even good enough of lining my cats litter tray with, I would rather read the Sun in prefernce to the daily Mail
James - 12 Mar 2007 17:38 GMT > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we > > are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is not even good enough of lining my cats litter tray with, I would > rather read the Sun in prefernce to the daily Mail My impression on fat is it depends on what part of the US you visit. Some places everyone seems to be blubberbutts while other places people are pretty normal. For a long time I thought cartoons of fat people were just cartoons. Then I saw people that actually shaped like cartoon fat people.
bookie - 12 Mar 2007 18:39 GMT > > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we > > > are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > people were just cartoons. Then I saw people that actually shaped > like cartoon fat people. so which is the fattest part of the states? here it is staffordshire and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the north west most of all,
Alison - 12 Mar 2007 19:26 GMT > so which is the fattest part of the states? here it is staffordshire > and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the > north west most of all,>>> Where is here and where do you get your facts from? Alison
cybercat - 12 Mar 2007 20:11 GMT >> so which is the fattest part of the states? here it is staffordshire >> and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the >> north west most of all,>>> > > Where is here and where do you get your facts from? > Alison She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two days, and already being a pill?
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Alison - 13 Mar 2007 08:12 GMT > She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two days, > and already being a pill? >>> What?
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Alison - 13 Mar 2007 08:40 GMT >> She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two >> days, and already being a pill? >>> > > What? > > Alison>> Don't bother to answer this. Whatever being a pill is, it can't be worse than being a Guardian reader.
cybercat - 13 Mar 2007 18:42 GMT >>> She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two >>> days, and already being a pill? >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Don't bother to answer this. Whatever being a pill is, it can't be worse > than being a Guardian reader. What is a Guardian?
Charlie Wilkes - 13 Mar 2007 20:52 GMT >>>> She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two >>>> days, and already being a pill? >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > What is a Guardian? She's referring to the Guardian, formerly the Manchester Guardian, at one time an organ of left-wing politics but these days just another newspaper. It is available on-line.
Alison why do you sneer at the Guardian?
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Alison - 14 Mar 2007 13:00 GMT > Alison why do you sneer at the Guardian? > > Charlie>>. because they sneer at the Daily Mail readers! <G>
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bookie - 12 Mar 2007 20:42 GMT > > so which is the fattest part of the states? here it is staffordshire > > and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the > > north west most of all,>>> > > Where is here and where do you get your facts from? > Alison there was actually a survey done by the nhs and they found that the areas with the unhealthiest lifestyles and highest rates of heart disease and high cholesterol were inthe north and north west, unsurprisingly, if i find the link i will post it. and no i am not in london.
havign lived in staffordshire (near stoke on trent in fact) for a while I was not surprised by the findings myself.
why? where are you from?
Alison - 13 Mar 2007 08:11 GMT From down south . I thought it was the Glaswegians who were the most overweight?
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> there was actually a survey done by the nhs and they found that the > areas with the unhealthiest lifestyles and highest rates of heart [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > why? where are you from? Charlie Wilkes - 12 Mar 2007 21:51 GMT >> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems >> > > that we are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the north > west most of all, In the U.S. the trend is more socio-economic than regional... the preponderance of fatsos are the poor and working class. If you want to scope the tubbies, go to WalMart, McDonalds, or any place where food is cheap and calorific.
I would also say that rural/suburban people tend to be fatter than urban residents.
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bookie - 13 Mar 2007 00:46 GMT > >> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems > >> > > that we are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - i think the fattest person i ever saw in my life was someone in a dairy queen in miami, i was scared they might fall on me, or eat me possibly.
I also read a report about a partuicularly tubby tribe of american indians, somewhere new arizona or nevada (not sure where now, may have been new mexico) but they seemed to live off 'fried dough' or doughnuts cos that was the cheapest form of energy they could get and was all their benefit cheque could stretch to. They were immense, and it was partly a genetic predisposition to laying done lost of fat for survival purposes i guess, their bodies were just so efficient at storing up any calories they took in for future use in case of 'lean periods'
Barry - 14 Mar 2007 00:43 GMT their bodies were just so efficient at
> storing up any calories they took in for future use in case of 'lean > periods' That's what silo's are for, you're talking about mal-nourishment. They keep eating.. their bodies grope for nourishment. Like anyone gives 2 craps.
William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 01:06 GMT >>> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems >>> > > that we are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Charlie The obesity problem is apparently world wide, and is partly due to the preponderance of fast food, coupled with activities that require little or no physical activity, such as computing, watching TV, and listening to I-pods and the like....As the emerging countries improve their economic status, they become prone to all these activities. It is a problem that was addressed many years ago, actually. I can remember back in the 60's that science fiction writers and others (who liked to speculate on the future) predicted that the "man of tomorrow" would become a lump of fat, with tiny legs and arms, who did nothing but press buttons and let machinery perform all his necessary functions.......Of course, they were talking about a future thousands of years from now, but the fact is, that a little bit of it is already coming true only 40 years later.......
Cheryl - 13 Mar 2007 02:48 GMT > The obesity problem is apparently world wide, and is partly due > to the preponderance of fast food, coupled with activities that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > is, that a little bit of it is already coming true only 40 years > later....... The scary part is the problem affecting more and more kids. Many kids are now facing "double diabetes" - juvenile diabetes coupled with diabetes brought on by obesity, usually called "adult onset diabetes" because they have the same problems adults have when they get old and fat. I don't know what can fix this. It isn't as safe to go out and play these days, not like when my generation was younger. When I was young, we had mom at home and the neighborhood was safe. We played outside all day every day when not in school. These days kids are in front of the computer or the Playstation or the TV. It isn't their fault. Schools are trying to "up" the physical activity, but how to get more of that without sacrificing the amount of learning?
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William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 03:13 GMT >> The obesity problem is apparently world wide, and is partly due >> to the preponderance of fast food, coupled with activities that [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > physical activity, but how to get more of that without sacrificing > the amount of learning? That's right. When I was a kid back in the 40's, we had no TV, and I stayed outside playing until near 10 PM every night....My mom didn't worry about me because missing/kidnapped kids were almost unheard of in those days. There were no fat kids in my school. If you couldn't run your fanny off, you would probably get beaten up by the bigger kids......It's a totally different world today.
dgk - 14 Mar 2007 13:07 GMT >> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we >> > > are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the >north west most of all, My mother's side of the family all came from Virginia. Virtually every male was dead by the age of 50 from good old southern cooking, smoking, and lack of any exercise. According to her, they were a pretty large bunch.
I suspect that it is a US wide (ha) problem however. Here in NYC there are plenty of large folks, but there are also a huge number of thin folks running up and down the steets. Exercise here (I bike a lot) tends to cause you to deeply inhale pretty bad air. We die of couch potato disease or lung disease.
William Graham - 14 Mar 2007 18:12 GMT >>> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems >>> > > that we [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > tends to cause you to deeply inhale pretty bad air. We die of couch > potato disease or lung disease. Yeah....When I was kid (the 40's) back in NYC, they said just living there was like smoking two packs of cigs a day.....I remember that there was a continuous fallout of soot in the air....30 minutes after my mom cleaned off the windowsills, I could run my fingers along them and come up with a line of black, greasy soot on them. Since then, however, the smog controls on both automobiles and factories have done a lot toward cleaning up the air, and it is much cleaner....(I went back there for a visit during the early 90's)
Ketzl's Dad - 14 Mar 2007 18:33 GMT > "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>> I suspect that it is a US wide (ha) problem however. Here in NYC there >> are plenty of large folks, but there are also a huge number of thin >> folks running up and down the steets. Exercise here (I bike a lot) >> tends to cause you to deeply inhale pretty bad air. We die of couch >> potato disease or lung disease. Well, as Elbert Hubbard says: Don't take life too seriously; you'll never get out of it alive.
I love walking in the city, but I hate the air I have to breathe. I'd wear a mask but I don't want to risk being arrested. :-)
> Yeah....When I was kid (the 40's) back in NYC, they said just living there > was like smoking two packs of cigs a day.....I remember that there was a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have done a lot toward cleaning up the air, and it is much cleaner....(I > went back there for a visit during the early 90's) It's probably a lot cleaner now than then, but it's still lousy with dust. Maybe not so much soot as before, though. I've given up on dusting regularly, as it seems futile. Once a year I bring in a backhoe and clean the dust out.
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James - 16 Mar 2007 00:57 GMT > >>> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems > >>> > > that we [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - When I lived there I would walk 20 blocks just to save 15 cents. I figured it would probably take 15 minutes to wait for a bus so that I would get there just as fast and could buy candy with the 15 cents. Remember Chunky? It costed a nickel which was a lot more than a a plain chocolate bar.
Charlie Wilkes - 12 Mar 2007 21:41 GMT >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that >> we are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > good enough of lining my cats litter tray with, I would rather read the > Sun in prefernce to the daily Mail Ok, then, here's something from the Guardian, complete with a lovely pin- up shot: http://society.guardian.co.uk/children/story/0,,2021463,00.html
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Barry - 12 Mar 2007 21:57 GMT On Mar 12, 3:41 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote:
> >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that > >> we are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Charlie http://tinyurl.com/2sbln3
bookie - 13 Mar 2007 00:41 GMT > >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that > >> we are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Charlie thing is he is probably seen as a real slim jim in the states, there are probably loads of fat people in the mid west begging their doctors for surgery to get their jaws wired just so that one day they may actually get down to that boys size and shape.
the only reason that kid made the news is because he is a one off inthis country, you dont; get stories like that making the papers in the states because such instances must be so common.
and where is he from exactly? oh yes, the north, typical fat bastard pie-eating geordie fatso, how amusing
Fred G. Mackey - 13 Mar 2007 15:14 GMT > thing is he is probably seen as a real slim jim in the states, there > are probably loads of fat people in the mid west begging their doctors [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and where is he from exactly? oh yes, the north, typical fat bastard > pie-eating geordie fatso, how amusing Thanks for being the poster child for the English bigot - ignorant and hateful of others.
bookie - 14 Mar 2007 02:09 GMT > > thing is he is probably seen as a real slim jim in the states, there > > are probably loads of fat people in the mid west begging their doctors [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks for being the poster child for the English bigot - ignorant and > hateful of others. i think america has the monopoly on bigotry my good man
William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 00:54 GMT >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we >> are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is not even good enough of lining my cats litter tray with, I would > rather read the Sun in prefernce to the daily Mail I don't know anything about the "Daily Mail". but all you have to do is google "BMI by country" or some such thing and you will find many web sites that address the problem of obesity in both GB and the US as well as many other countries.....Rest assured, it is not a problem peculiar to the US.....
Why are you so hung up on this subject? - Are you having a personal problem with body fat? If so, there are any number of places where you can get help. If I were younger as you apparently are, I would join a health club where I could swim and use their workout equipment.........
Sherry - 13 Mar 2007 04:56 GMT > Why are you so hung up on this subject? - Are you having a personal problem > with body fat? If so, there are any number of places where you can get help. > If I were younger as you apparently are, I would join a health club where I > could swim and use their workout equipment......... \
LOL! My thoughts exactly. I"ve never seen anyone spend so much time targeting their specific object of disdain. The shabby superiority complex is alive and well, I guess. To each his own, I suppose. I never think about the shortcomings of the people of other countries. I've got better things to think about.
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William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 21:41 GMT >> Why are you so hung up on this subject? - Are you having a personal >> problem [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sherry Yeah....Even if we Americans are the fattest pigs on earth, what could I do about it? - All I can be held responsible for is my own weight, and even that is hard to control when you are 71, diabetic, and arthritic..... The days when I could run around the block a couple of times are long gone.........The best I can do today is limp down to the ice cream store....:^)
bookie - 14 Mar 2007 02:12 GMT > On Mar 12, 6:54?pm, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:> Why are you so hung up on this subject? - Are you having a personal problem > > with body fat? If so, there are any number of places where you can get help. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry can't believe some people actually take me seriously! this is hilarious, like i give 2 sh.ts over whether anyone eats themselves into an early grave or not? as long as there is still cake left over for me i couldn't care less
bookie - 13 Mar 2007 13:30 GMT > >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we > >> are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If I were younger as you apparently are, I would join a health club where I > could swim and use their workout equipment......... believe me, I have the opposite problem right now, but it has to be said I do find fat people rather offensive to the eye and a massive drain onthe NHS. An MP not so long ago suggested putting extra taxes on 'fatty' foods, mcdonalds etc in order to help pay for thr NHS services that fat bastards use so much of, kind of inthe same way that cigarettes are taxed in order to prop up our health service. don't think it went through unfortunately, damn good idea though.
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Barry - 13 Mar 2007 15:30 GMT >>>> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we >>>> are here in the US: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > bookie Is it not for kings to have milk and butter and kine? Move up to royalty and stop your whining.
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you're frustration is good, use it as a stepping stone, play on it, focus it's energy on... doing what you want to do.
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William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 21:50 GMT >> 05:34, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > bookie A "good idea" if you are a socialist, and want the government to take responsibility for everything, and use the taxpayer's money to do it. I would let people take care of their own health and eat as much as they damn well please, and/or as much as they could afford to pay for. Why should I either pay for their health, or use that as an excuse to control their life style? I call these kinds of laws "padded cell laws". Here in the US, you don't even have to be spending the taxpayers money to get those laws on the books. Just the fact that our insurance rates go up is their excuse to control our lives.....Pretty soon, they will make a law that puts everyone in a padded cell for their entire lives, just so our insurance rates will stay low.....Of course, insurance doesn't cover insanity, so it won't matter if everyone goes bonkers.......
Charlie Wilkes - 14 Mar 2007 02:21 GMT > "bookie" <emily_booker@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> cigarettes are taxed in order to prop up our health service. don't >> think it went through unfortunately, damn good idea though.
> A "good idea" if you are a socialist, and want the government to take > responsibility for everything, and use the taxpayer's money to do it. I > would let people take care of their own health and eat as much as they > damn well please, and/or as much as they could afford to pay for. Why > should I either pay for their health, or use that as an excuse to > control their life style? I think you are both missing an important point. From an economic standpoint, the gov't would do well to encourage smoking and obesity both. Smokers and fat people tend to die in their late 50s/early 60s... right at the end of a long working life, but before they collect any retirement benefits or require much gov't funded medical care.
If you want to know who is costing the taxpayers a bundle, it's the little old grannies who eat like a bird and would never dream of using tobacco... they live to be 95-100, soaking up medical resources and usually spending the the last 5 years in a nursing home at gov't expense after they have run through their assets.
So next time you see a slender gray-haired old lady, throw her under a passing bus. And next time you see a fat chain-smoking pig, give that person a pat on the back and thank them for their contribution to a fiscally sound republic. Or kingdom, as the case may be.
Charlie
cybercat - 14 Mar 2007 02:27 GMT >> "bookie" <emily_booker@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > person a pat on the back and thank them for their contribution to a > fiscally sound republic. Or kingdom, as the case may be. Very nice, Charlie. I could not bring myself to snip.
William Graham - 14 Mar 2007 04:42 GMT >> "bookie" <emily_booker@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Charlie LOL! - This is certainly true if the government is supporting them. In my case, I saved and invested 10% of every dollar I ever earned, (in accordance with my father's instructions) so I am fully capable of providing for myself. (including my own health care) Unfortunately, my (ever increasing) socialist government is busy stealing my money to give to the grasshoppers who fiddled their whole lives while I toiled away.......My dad knew about the Robin-Hooders, but I doubt if he could have ever envisioned how bad it would really get......
bookie - 14 Mar 2007 19:19 GMT On 14 Mar, 01:21, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> wrote:
> > "bookie" <emily_boo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - oh I support people who smoke wholeheartedly purely because they are propping up my nhs, I have no problem with them as they more than pay for what they use out of the health service
Alison - 15 Mar 2007 19:51 GMT > On 14 Mar, 01:21, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > propping up my nhs, I have no problem with them as they more than pay > for what they use out of the health service>> Isn't it sad to see people with cancer and Alzeimers (sp) in England being denied certain drugs and while Tony Blair is spending millions on Iraq and Afghanistan .:( Alison
William Graham - 16 Mar 2007 00:38 GMT "Alison" <alison@allofus2.XYZfsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >
Isn't it sad to see people with cancer and Alzeimers (sp) in England being
> denied certain drugs and while Tony Blair is spending millions on Iraq and > Afghanistan .:( > Alison Yes. But some might have the foresight to blame the terrorists, or radical religious nuts for that rather than Bush or Tony Blair. If we paid no attention to terrorism, and, at some later date, they took over the world, the cancer and alzheimers patients would be killed for Allah just like the rest of us. You may think it's much ado about nothing, and if so, I respect that decision. But just know that it isn't a given that we are doing the wrong thing. There are those who believe we are spending the money in the right place, in the long run.
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