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William Graham - 12 Mar 2007 06:34 GMT
It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we
are here in the US:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.html?in_articl
e_id=301419&in_page_id=1798&in_page_id=1798&expand=true

bookie - 12 Mar 2007 16:52 GMT
> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we
> are here in the US:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.htm...

ha ha! i haven't read the article but the fact it is taken from the
daily mail says it all! pretty much everything printed in the daily
mail is well known to be absolute crap, find something from the
guardian or the Times and i may well read but i would not put my eyes
through the pain of reading anything from the daily mail, that paper
is not even good enough of lining my cats litter tray with, I would
rather read the Sun in prefernce to the daily Mail
James - 12 Mar 2007 17:38 GMT
> > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we
> > are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> is not even good enough of lining my cats litter tray with, I would
> rather read the Sun in prefernce to the daily Mail

My impression on fat is it depends on what part of the US you visit.
Some places everyone seems to be blubberbutts while other places
people are pretty normal.  For a long time I thought cartoons of fat
people were just cartoons.  Then I saw people that actually shaped
like cartoon fat people.
bookie - 12 Mar 2007 18:39 GMT
> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we
> > > are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> people were just cartoons.  Then I saw people that actually shaped
> like cartoon fat people.

so which is the fattest part of the states? here it is staffordshire
and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the
north west most of all,
Alison - 12 Mar 2007 19:26 GMT
> so which is the fattest part of the states? here it is staffordshire
> and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the
> north west most of all,>>>

Where is here and where do you get your facts from?
Alison
cybercat - 12 Mar 2007 20:11 GMT
>> so which is the fattest part of the states? here it is staffordshire
>> and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the
>> north west most of all,>>>
>
> Where is here and where do you get your facts from?
> Alison

She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two days,
and already being a pill?

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Alison - 13 Mar 2007 08:12 GMT
> She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two days,
> and already being a pill? >>>

 What?

Alison
Alison - 13 Mar 2007 08:40 GMT
>> She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two
>> days, and already being a pill? >>>
>
>  What?
>
> Alison>>

  Don't bother to answer this. Whatever being a pill is, it can't be worse
than being a Guardian reader.
cybercat - 13 Mar 2007 18:42 GMT
>>> She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two
>>> days, and already being a pill? >>>
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>   Don't bother to answer this. Whatever being a pill is, it can't be worse
> than being a Guardian reader.

What is a Guardian?
Charlie Wilkes - 13 Mar 2007 20:52 GMT
>>>> She is in London, and is obviously generalizing. Back for what, two
>>>> days, and already being a pill? >>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
> What is a Guardian?

She's referring to the Guardian, formerly the Manchester Guardian, at one
time an organ of left-wing politics but these days just another
newspaper.  It is available on-line.

Alison why do you sneer at the Guardian?

Charlie
Alison - 14 Mar 2007 13:00 GMT
> Alison why do you sneer at the Guardian?
>
> Charlie>>.

because they sneer at the Daily Mail readers! <G>

Alison
bookie - 12 Mar 2007 20:42 GMT
> > so which is the fattest part of the states? here it is staffordshire
> > and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the
> > north west most of all,>>>
>
>  Where is here and where do you get your facts from?
>  Alison

there was actually a survey done by the nhs and they found that the
areas with the unhealthiest lifestyles and highest rates of heart
disease and high cholesterol were inthe north and north west,
unsurprisingly, if i find the link i will post it.
and no i am not in london.

havign lived in staffordshire (near stoke on trent in fact) for a
while I was not surprised by the findings myself.

why? where are you from?
Alison - 13 Mar 2007 08:11 GMT
From down south . I thought it was the Glaswegians who were the most
overweight?
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> there was actually a survey done by the nhs and they found that the
> areas with the unhealthiest lifestyles and highest rates of heart
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> why? where are you from?
Charlie Wilkes - 12 Mar 2007 21:51 GMT
>> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems
>> > > that we are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the north
> west most of all,

In the U.S. the trend is more socio-economic than regional... the
preponderance of fatsos are the poor and working class.  If you want to
scope the tubbies, go to WalMart, McDonalds, or any place where food is
cheap and calorific.

I would also say that rural/suburban people tend to be fatter than urban
residents.

Charlie
bookie - 13 Mar 2007 00:46 GMT
> >> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems
> >> > > that we are here in the US:
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>
> - Show quoted text -
i think the fattest person i ever saw in my life was someone in a
dairy queen in miami, i was scared they might fall on me, or eat me
possibly.

I also read a report about a partuicularly tubby tribe of american
indians, somewhere new arizona or nevada (not sure where now, may have
been new mexico) but they seemed to live off 'fried dough' or
doughnuts cos that was the cheapest form of energy they could get and
was all their benefit cheque could stretch to. They were immense, and
it was partly a genetic predisposition to laying done lost of fat for
survival purposes i guess, their bodies were just so efficient at
storing up any calories they took in for future use in case of 'lean
periods'
Barry - 14 Mar 2007 00:43 GMT
their bodies were just so efficient at
> storing up any calories they took in for future use in case of 'lean
> periods'

That's what silo's are for, you're talking about mal-nourishment. They
keep eating.. their bodies grope for nourishment. Like anyone gives 2
craps.
William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 01:06 GMT
>>> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems
>>> > > that we are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Charlie

The obesity problem is apparently world wide, and is partly due to the
preponderance of fast food, coupled with activities that require little or
no physical activity, such as computing, watching TV, and listening to
I-pods and the like....As the emerging countries improve their economic
status, they become prone to all these activities.
   It is a problem that was addressed many years ago, actually. I can
remember back in the 60's that science fiction writers and others (who liked
to speculate on the future) predicted that the "man of tomorrow" would
become a lump of fat, with tiny legs and arms, who did nothing but press
buttons and let machinery perform all his necessary functions.......Of
course, they were talking about a future thousands of years from now, but
the fact is, that a little bit of it is already coming true only 40 years
later.......
Cheryl - 13 Mar 2007 02:48 GMT
> The obesity problem is apparently world wide, and is partly due
> to the preponderance of fast food, coupled with activities that
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> is, that a little bit of it is already coming true only 40 years
> later.......

The scary part is the problem affecting more and more kids.  Many
kids are now facing "double diabetes" - juvenile diabetes coupled
with diabetes brought on by obesity, usually called "adult onset
diabetes" because they have the same problems adults have when they
get old and fat.  I don't know what can fix this.  It isn't as safe
to go out and play these days, not like when my generation was
younger. When I was young, we had mom at home and the neighborhood
was safe. We played outside all day every day when not in school.  
These days kids are in front of the computer or the Playstation or
the TV.  It isn't their fault.  Schools are trying to "up" the
physical activity, but how to get more of that without sacrificing
the amount of learning?

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William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 03:13 GMT
>> The obesity problem is apparently world wide, and is partly due
>> to the preponderance of fast food, coupled with activities that
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> physical activity, but how to get more of that without sacrificing
> the amount of learning?

That's right. When I was a kid back in the 40's, we had no TV, and I stayed
outside playing until near 10 PM every night....My mom didn't worry about me
because missing/kidnapped kids were almost unheard of in those days. There
were no fat kids in my school. If you couldn't run your fanny off, you would
probably get beaten up by the bigger kids......It's a totally different
world today.
dgk - 14 Mar 2007 13:07 GMT
>> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we
>> > > are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>and the north in general which harbours all the fatties, probably the
>north west most of all,

My mother's side of the family all came from Virginia. Virtually every
male was dead by the age of 50 from good old southern cooking,
smoking, and lack of any exercise. According to her, they were a
pretty large bunch.

I suspect that it is a US wide (ha) problem however. Here in NYC there
are plenty of large folks, but there are also a huge number of thin
folks running up and down the steets. Exercise here (I bike a lot)
tends to cause you to deeply inhale pretty bad air. We die of couch
potato disease or lung disease.
William Graham - 14 Mar 2007 18:12 GMT
>>> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems
>>> > > that we
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> tends to cause you to deeply inhale pretty bad air. We die of couch
> potato disease or lung disease.

Yeah....When I was  kid (the 40's) back in NYC, they said just living there
was like smoking two packs of cigs a day.....I remember that there was a
continuous fallout of soot in the air....30 minutes after my mom cleaned off
the windowsills, I could run my fingers along them and come up with a line
of black, greasy soot on them.
   Since then, however, the smog controls on both automobiles and factories
have done a lot toward cleaning up the air, and it is much cleaner....(I
went back there for a visit during the early 90's)
Ketzl's Dad - 14 Mar 2007 18:33 GMT
> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message

>> I suspect that it is a US wide (ha) problem however. Here in NYC there
>> are plenty of large folks, but there are also a huge number of thin
>> folks running up and down the steets. Exercise here (I bike a lot)
>> tends to cause you to deeply inhale pretty bad air. We die of couch
>> potato disease or lung disease.

Well, as Elbert Hubbard says: Don't take life too seriously; you'll never get
out of it alive.

I love walking in the city, but I hate the air I have to breathe. I'd wear a
mask but I don't want to risk being arrested. :-)

> Yeah....When I was  kid (the 40's) back in NYC, they said just living there
> was like smoking two packs of cigs a day.....I remember that there was a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> have done a lot toward cleaning up the air, and it is much cleaner....(I
> went back there for a visit during the early 90's)

It's probably a lot cleaner now than then, but it's still lousy with dust.
Maybe not so much soot as before, though. I've given up on dusting regularly,
as it seems futile. Once a year I bring in a backhoe and clean the dust out.

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James - 16 Mar 2007 00:57 GMT
> >>> > > It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems
> >>> > > that we
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>
> - Show quoted text -

When I lived there I would walk 20 blocks just to save 15 cents.  I
figured it would probably take 15 minutes to wait for a bus so that I
would get there just as fast and could buy candy with the 15 cents.
Remember Chunky?  It costed a nickel which was a lot more than a a
plain chocolate bar.
Charlie Wilkes - 12 Mar 2007 21:41 GMT
>> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that
>> we are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> good enough of lining my cats litter tray with, I would rather read the
> Sun in prefernce to the daily Mail

Ok, then, here's something from the Guardian, complete with a lovely pin-
up shot:
http://society.guardian.co.uk/children/story/0,,2021463,00.html

Charlie
Barry - 12 Mar 2007 21:57 GMT
On Mar 12, 3:41 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com>
wrote:
> >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that
> >> we are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Charlie

http://tinyurl.com/2sbln3
bookie - 13 Mar 2007 00:41 GMT
> >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that
> >> we are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Charlie

thing is he is probably seen as a real slim jim in the states, there
are probably loads of fat people in the mid west begging their doctors
for surgery to get their jaws wired just so that one day they may
actually get down to that boys size and shape.

the only reason that kid made the news is because he is a one off
inthis country, you dont; get stories like that making the papers in
the states because such instances must be so common.

and where is he from exactly? oh yes, the north, typical fat bastard
pie-eating geordie fatso, how amusing
Fred G. Mackey - 13 Mar 2007 15:14 GMT
> thing is he is probably seen as a real slim jim in the states, there
> are probably loads of fat people in the mid west begging their doctors
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> and where is he from exactly? oh yes, the north, typical fat bastard
> pie-eating geordie fatso, how amusing

Thanks for being the poster child for the English bigot - ignorant and
hateful of others.
bookie - 14 Mar 2007 02:09 GMT
> > thing is he is probably seen as a real slim jim in the states, there
> > are probably loads of fat people in the mid west begging their doctors
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks for being the poster child for the English bigot - ignorant and
> hateful of others.
i think america has the monopoly on bigotry my good man
William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 00:54 GMT
>> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we
>> are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> is not even good enough of lining my cats litter tray with, I would
> rather read the Sun in prefernce to the daily Mail

I don't know anything about the "Daily Mail". but all you have to do is
google "BMI by country" or some such thing and you will find many web sites
that address the problem of obesity in both GB and the US as well as many
other countries.....Rest assured, it is not a problem peculiar to the
US.....

Why are you so hung up on this subject? - Are you having a personal problem
with body fat? If so, there are any number of places where you can get help.
If I were younger as you apparently are, I would join a health club where I
could swim and use their workout equipment.........
Sherry - 13 Mar 2007 04:56 GMT
> Why are you so hung up on this subject? - Are you having a personal problem
> with body fat? If so, there are any number of places where you can get help.
> If I were younger as you apparently are, I would join a health club where I
> could swim and use their workout equipment.........
\

LOL! My thoughts exactly. I"ve never seen anyone spend so much time
targeting their specific object of disdain. The shabby superiority
complex is alive and well, I guess. To each his own, I suppose.
I never think about the shortcomings of the people of other countries.
I've got better things to think about.

Sherry
William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 21:41 GMT
>> Why are you so hung up on this subject? - Are you having a personal
>> problem
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Sherry

Yeah....Even if we Americans are the fattest pigs on earth, what could I do
about it? - All I can be held responsible for is my own weight, and even
that is hard to control when you are 71, diabetic, and arthritic.....
The days when I could run around the block a couple of times are long
gone.........The best I can do today is limp down to the ice cream
store....:^)
bookie - 14 Mar 2007 02:12 GMT
> On Mar 12, 6:54?pm, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:> Why are you so hung up on this subject? - Are you having a personal problem
> > with body fat? If so, there are any number of places where you can get help.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sherry
can't believe some people actually take me seriously! this is
hilarious, like i give 2 sh.ts over whether anyone eats themselves
into an early grave or not? as long as there is still cake left over
for me i couldn't care less
bookie - 13 Mar 2007 13:30 GMT
> >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we
> >> are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> If I were younger as you apparently are, I would join a health club where I
> could swim and use their workout equipment.........

believe me, I have the opposite problem right now, but it has to be
said I do find fat people rather offensive to the eye and a massive
drain onthe NHS. An MP not so long ago suggested putting extra taxes
on 'fatty' foods, mcdonalds etc in order to help pay for thr NHS
services that fat bastards use so much of, kind of inthe same way that
cigarettes are taxed in order to prop up our health service. don't
think it went through unfortunately, damn good idea though.

bookie
Barry - 13 Mar 2007 15:30 GMT
>>>> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that we
>>>> are here in the US:
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> bookie

Is it not for kings to have milk and butter and kine?
Move up to royalty and stop your whining.

tick tick tick, better hurry up, father time is no respecter of persons

you're frustration is good, use it as a stepping stone, play on it,
focus it's energy on... doing what you want to do.

Don't know yet? I bet you do, and you should listen with your heart.

For you, you should not stumble bookie, I don't mean to suggest that you
look down, but take your time and don't stumble.

Barry
William Graham - 13 Mar 2007 21:50 GMT
>> 05:34, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> It seems that the Brits are having the same couch potato problems that
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> bookie

A "good idea" if you are a socialist, and want the government to take
responsibility for everything, and use the taxpayer's money to do it. I
would let people take care of their own health and eat as much as they damn
well please, and/or as much as they could afford to pay for. Why should I
either pay for their health, or use that as an excuse to control their life
style?
   I call these kinds of laws "padded cell laws". Here in the US, you don't
even have to be spending the taxpayers money to get those laws on the books.
Just the fact that our insurance rates go up is their excuse to control our
lives.....Pretty soon, they will make a law that puts everyone in a padded
cell for their entire lives, just so our insurance rates will stay
low.....Of course, insurance doesn't cover insanity, so it won't matter if
everyone goes bonkers.......
Charlie Wilkes - 14 Mar 2007 02:21 GMT
> "bookie" <emily_booker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
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>> cigarettes are taxed in order to prop up our health service. don't
>> think it went through unfortunately, damn good idea though.

> A "good idea" if you are a socialist, and want the government to take
> responsibility for everything, and use the taxpayer's money to do it. I
> would let people take care of their own health and eat as much as they
> damn well please, and/or as much as they could afford to pay for. Why
> should I either pay for their health, or use that as an excuse to
> control their life style?

I think you are both missing an important point.  From an economic
standpoint, the gov't would do well to encourage smoking and obesity
both.  Smokers and fat people tend to die in their late 50s/early 60s...
right at the end of a long working life, but before they collect any
retirement benefits or require much gov't funded medical care.

If you want to know who is costing the taxpayers a bundle, it's the
little old grannies who eat like a bird and would never dream of using
tobacco... they live to be 95-100, soaking up medical resources and
usually spending the the last 5 years in a nursing home at gov't expense
after they have run through their assets.

So next time you see a slender gray-haired old lady, throw her under a
passing bus.  And next time you see a fat chain-smoking pig, give that
person a pat on the back and thank them for their contribution to a
fiscally sound republic.  Or kingdom, as the case may be.

Charlie
cybercat - 14 Mar 2007 02:27 GMT
>> "bookie" <emily_booker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
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> person a pat on the back and thank them for their contribution to a
> fiscally sound republic.  Or kingdom, as the case may be.

Very nice, Charlie. I could not bring myself to snip.
William Graham - 14 Mar 2007 04:42 GMT
>> "bookie" <emily_booker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Charlie

LOL! - This is certainly true if the government is supporting them. In my
case, I saved and invested 10% of every dollar I ever earned, (in accordance
with my father's instructions) so I am fully capable of providing for
myself. (including my own health care) Unfortunately, my (ever increasing)
socialist government is busy stealing my money to give to the grasshoppers
who fiddled their whole lives while I toiled away.......My dad knew about
the Robin-Hooders, but I doubt if he could have ever envisioned how bad it
would really get......
bookie - 14 Mar 2007 19:19 GMT
On 14 Mar, 01:21, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com>
wrote:
> > "bookie" <emily_boo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

oh I support people who smoke wholeheartedly purely because they are
propping up my nhs, I have no problem with them as they more than pay
for what they use out of the health service
Alison - 15 Mar 2007 19:51 GMT
> On 14 Mar, 01:21, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> propping up my nhs, I have no problem with them as they more than pay
> for what they use out of the health service>>

Isn't it sad to see people with cancer and Alzeimers (sp) in England being
denied certain drugs and while Tony Blair is spending millions on Iraq and
Afghanistan .:(
 Alison
William Graham - 16 Mar 2007 00:38 GMT
"Alison" <alison@allofus2.XYZfsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >

Isn't it sad to see people with cancer and Alzeimers (sp) in England being
> denied certain drugs and while Tony Blair is spending millions on Iraq and
> Afghanistan .:(
>  Alison
Yes. But some might have the foresight to blame the terrorists, or radical
religious nuts for that rather than Bush or Tony Blair.
   If we paid no attention to terrorism, and, at some later date, they took
over the world, the cancer and alzheimers patients would be killed for Allah
just like the rest of us.
   You may think it's much ado about nothing, and if so, I respect that
decision. But just know that it isn't a given that we are doing the wrong
thing. There are those who believe we are spending the money in the right
place, in the long run.
 
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