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Cat Forum / General Topics / February 2007Iams Cat food
Hi, I've just joined this group and after reading the last sentence in the message below mine(Petco), I am left feeling very worried. I had always trusted Iams cat food and thought it was one of the best. After checking out more info I never want to use it again. It makes me feel sick that I have been supporting their evilness. The only problem now is that I dont have a clue as to what biscuits to feed my cat. I am in the UK and only have access to Tescos and Asda so it has to be something I can buy from there. I am also starting to worry about the wet food I give him. Is Gourmet Pearl, Gourmet Gold and Cherish from High Life ok? Thanks kiffie Here is the thing only take advice about nutrition from a trusted source such as your vet you trust. Out here all we can do is give advice and give you options to question statements. Just because some people out here don't like those items doesn't mean what they are posting is facts or the complete truth. I give my cats iams and they are perfectly healthy. I am not going to stop jsut beacuse someone says so. Someone once told me Fancy feast was a terrible product and showed me reviews on the items. But it turns out certain brands of fancy Feast are perfect diets for one of my cats which had Diabetes If you trust your vet trust your vet. If you notice there are no vets on newsgroups. If you would like to know experiences with the products. Go to this newsgroup rec.pets.cats.health+behav and ask your questions > Hi, I've just joined this group and after reading the last sentence in the > message below mine(Petco), I am left feeling very worried. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > kiffie Iams is garbage. Anyone who objectively investigates Iams will soon learn it is trash. Anyone who loves their animals would not feed this junk. Here's how I found out. I was tipped off by people in this group. Being a skeptical person, I did my own research on the net, spoke to pet breeders, veterinary colleges, and finally several vets. Conclusion: Iams is poison for your pets. Don't believe me. Do your own research. Rob, I'm curious -- what is poison about it? I know I've heard bad things about how they treat research animals, debarking the dogs, etc. It seems that you're talking about food quality though. Saying it's poison is very strong wording so I'm curious what you mean. Rhonda > Iams is garbage. Anyone who objectively investigates Iams will soon > learn it is trash. Anyone who loves their animals would not feed this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Conclusion: Iams is poison for your pets. > Don't believe me. Do your own research. > Rob, I'm curious -- what is poison about it? I know I've heard bad > things about how they treat research animals, Who do you believe, PETA or the ASPCA? http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_iams_statement http://petakids.com/iams.html I wouldn't expect you to take IAMS word for it, but here's what they say: http://www.iamstruth.com/iamstruth/en_US/jhtmls/article/IT_Article_Page.jhtml?li =en_US&pti=RP&articleID=6 >> Rob, I'm curious -- what is poison about it? I know I've heard bad >> things about how they treat research animals, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I wouldn't expect you to take IAMS word for it, but here's what they say: http://www.iamstruth.com/iamstruth/en_US/jhtmls/article/IT_Article_Page.jhtml? > li=en_US&pti=RP&articleID=6 Thanks for posting these links.  SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh >> Rob, I'm curious -- what is poison about it? I know I've heard bad >> things about how they treat research animals, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.iamstruth.com/iamstruth/en_US/jhtmls/article/IT_Article_Page.jhtml?li =en_US&pti=RP&articleID=6 I did like the ASPCA info -- it sounds like they've stepped in in the last couple of years and are getting them to clean up their act! The Peta one was for kids and didn't have any dates or really any concrete info. They org tends to get a big hysterical, and I want to know the facts. The last one -- the wording that Iams says it doesn't "authorize" debarking of dogs, suggests to me that maybe it happened but was not authorized. They did not deny it. Probably some individual vet getting annoyed at the barking. Proctor and Gamble owns them now, ugh, but it does sound like they're doing better with how they treat animals. Rhonda > Iams is poison for your pets. What does this mean, please? SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh >> Iams is poison for your pets. > > What does this mean, please? In general, I have found that canned cat food is not only suspect (as to what is in it) but it is too expensive for what you get.....We buy whole body chickens which we get on sale for about 60 cents a pound, and we roast them at 350 degrees for about an hour, and cut them up for the cats. They love them, and we know they are getting all good meat. (we even eat them ourselves) A chicken is about 2/3 meat and 1/3 bone and inedibles, so we are really paying around a dollar a pound, but the local Safeway (a terrible store) sells canned cat food for 55 cents a 6 oz can, which is really $1.47 a pound, and it isn't near as good as a natural roasted chicken. I wish all of our cats liked it, but the females won't eat it unless we hand feed them every bite. (I think they think it's the males' food, and are reluctant to touch it) Anyway, a grocery store has a hell of a nerve charging more than 25 cents a can for canned cat food.....It is nothing but the floor sweepings from the slaughterhouse...... >>> Iams is poison for your pets. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 25 cents a can for canned cat food.....It is nothing but the floor sweepings > from the slaughterhouse...... And you've seen this -- or is there a source you can cite? Rhonda >>>> Iams is poison for your pets. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rhonda Well, for a starter, just read the label..."parts" means all the stuff that human beings won't eat....... >>>>>Iams is poison for your pets. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Well, for a starter, just read the label..."parts" means all the stuff that > human beings won't eat....... Okay, I read the labels. None say "parts." Do you mean meat by-products? Cats are full-time carnivores, not like us humans. I've heard the perfect diet for them is mice -- the ENTIRE mouse. When they eat an animal, they eat all of the "parts," that's what their body is setup to do. If you were more concerned about the meat hitting the floor, I would never want to see a slaughterhouse -- even the stuff that is such an enormously high quality that humans can dare to eat it. I'm sure lots of things hit the floor and find their way back into the packages. Rhonda >>>>>>Iams is poison for your pets. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Rhonda Exactly....Which is why I keep "outside" cats, and feed them whole body chickens, and other meat table scraps.....I only keep canned cat food as a back-up.......I bought some canned tuna fish at Safeway a couple of months ago that was cheaper than their 55 cents a can cat food, (40 cents a can, as I remember) and it was so bad, even my cats wouldn't eat it......I think it was tuna "parts", or tuna "by-products". (God, what a terrible store that is) If I had known that I was going to like cats so much when I retired, I would have bought a small farm next door to a chicken packing factory......... >>>>>>>Iams is poison for your pets. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > would have bought a small farm next door to a chicken packing > factory......... Oh, so it's not the fact the problem was the cost and not being floor scrapings from a slaughterhouse. Well, personally I'll pay for the can instead of the other way... Rhonda >>>>>>>>Iams is poison for your pets. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Rhonda Let me make my feelings very clear. The manufacturers of cat food are in business for money. They will try to sell you the cheapest-to-make stuff they can, and charge you the maximum they can get for it. You can either depend on the government to make standards for them to follow and enforce them, or you can buy fresh food yourself and make your own cat food which you will know to be healthy. - I choose to do the latter. > Let me make my feelings very clear. The manufacturers of cat food are in > business for money. They will try to sell you the cheapest-to-make stuff > they can, and charge you the maximum they can get for it. You can either > depend on the government to make standards for them to follow and enforce > them, or you can buy fresh food yourself and make your own cat food which > you will know to be healthy. - I choose to do the latter. A liberal Democrap always looks to the government to solve the problem, while a conservative takes charge of their own life or looks to private enterprise to come up with a solution. The socialist Democreeps scream for socialized medical care and how much they hate Walmart. Meanwhile, Walmart has begun offering the public $4 generic drug prescriptions. The idiots scream for a government "passenger bill of rights," after Jet Blue screwed so many people. You have to wonder why they just don't fire Jet Blue? Meaning, just spend your money on another airline? Domino's Pizza pissed me off with lousy service & food. Guess what? Me and many other people now order from Papa John or Pizza Hut, and Domino's is going out of business in our area. If it was up to liberal Democrats, they would be screaming for a government-regulated pizza industry and a 'Pizza eater's Bill of Rights." Better yet, buy the ingredients and make your own fresh pizza. >>Let me make my feelings very clear. The manufacturers of cat food are in >>business for money. They will try to sell you the cheapest-to-make stuff [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > problem, while a conservative takes charge of their own life or > looks to private enterprise to come up with a solution. You might remember learning about a particular president named Teddy Roosevelt in history class - or maybe you don't. He was a Republican and was responsible for such "liberal" ideas as conservation (often demonized by the current GOP wing-nuts as "environmentalism"), the FDA (which ensure that the food you buy in stores does not consist entirely of roach-droppings and human appendages which got caught in the "gears" of the slaughterhouse and anti-trust legislation (which is why corporations don't actually own you, despite what liberals may claim). > The socialist > Democreeps scream for socialized medical care and how much > they hate Walmart. Meanwhile, Walmart has begun offering the > public $4 generic drug prescriptions. Yeah - sounds like they wish to run out their competition through predatory pricing, doesn't it? TR would not be pleased with this. > The idiots scream for > a government "passenger bill of rights," after Jet Blue screwed so > many people. You must admit there is a problem when you can be held hostage on the tarmac for 10 hours. It is a crime to leave the airplane. Airlines should allow you the option of leaving if they demonstrate that they cannot make good on the contract you entered into when you purchased your ticket. > You have to wonder why they just don't fire Jet Blue? I'm certain many of these former-hostages will "fire" them by never being a customer of them again, but the point is that they were NOT free to leave of their own free will. > Meaning, just spend your money on another airline? I'm sure many of the passengers held hostage on the tarmac would have gladly bought tickets with another airline - if only they could have. > Domino's > Pizza pissed me off with lousy service & food. Guess what? Me > and many other people now order from Papa John or Pizza Hut, > and Domino's is going out of business in our area. If it was up to > liberal Democrats, they would be screaming for a > government-regulated pizza industry and a 'Pizza eater's Bill of Rights." I'll believe that when I hear it. > Better yet, buy the ingredients and make your own fresh pizza. "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam@dont.spam> wrote in message //////FLUSHED////// another neo-liberal leftist drools from his mouth, as he forgets to take his meds. ROTFLMAO! > Let me make my feelings very clear. The manufacturers of cat food are in > business for money. They will try to sell you the cheapest-to-make stuff > they can, and charge you the maximum they can get for it. Methinks the companies that sell the crap I buy at the grocery store may have the same strategy, but frankly farming my own food isn't really a practical option and I'm still alive and kicking and enjoying life, so I'm not too worried. > You can either > depend on the government to make standards for them to follow and enforce > them, or you can buy fresh food yourself and make your own cat food which > you will know to be healthy. - I choose to do the latter. >> Let me make my feelings very clear. The manufacturers of cat food are in >> business for money. They will try to sell you the cheapest-to-make stuff [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> own cat food which you will know to be healthy. - I choose to do the >> latter. Well, I didn't mean to imply that I "farm" my own food.....I live in the city, so I can't keep chickens....My neighbors would complain. But, instead of buying them in a can, I can certainly buy a fresh raw chicken and roast it myself..... > Well, for a starter, just read the label..."parts" means all the stuff that > human beings won't eat....... That's just offal! Nancy Pelosi demands her own jumbo jet to fly campaign contributors "Pelosi One" Nancy offer you a ride on *Pelosi One* yet freddy? ROTFLMAO! >Nancy Pelosi demands her own jumbo jet to fly campaign >contributors "Pelosi One" > >Nancy offer you a ride on *Pelosi One* yet freddy? > >ROTFLMAO! And to be fair her predessor had one too. She is getting the same courtesy granted to all hosue speakers. >>Nancy Pelosi demands her own jumbo jet to fly campaign >>contributors "Pelosi One" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > getting the same courtesy granted to all hosue > speakers. BULLSHIT! She *demanded* a military jumbo jet, while other house speakers flew Gulfstream aircraft. The drive-by media kept that fact quiet. >>Nancy Pelosi demands her own jumbo jet to fly campaign >>contributors "Pelosi One" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > getting the same courtesy granted to all hosue > speakers. And when she found out what a PITA it was to provide one for her, she said, "Forget it! - I'll just use the commercial air transportation like I always have in the past." > Nancy Pelosi demands her own jumbo jet to fly campaign > contributors "Pelosi One" > > Nancy offer you a ride on *Pelosi One* yet freddy? Wow, that had absolutely NOTHING to do with my offal pun that you posted in response to. Stop drinking the kool-aid. It's poison no matter which party is supplying it to you. Think for yourself, don't let politicians do it for you. >> Nancy Pelosi demands her own jumbo jet to fly campaign >> contributors "Pelosi One" [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Think for yourself, don't let politicians do it for you. If *you* thought for yourself, Freddy, you would never be a neo-liberal leftist. Dimocrats despise people who take charge of their own lives. >>> Iams is poison for your pets. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 25 cents a can for canned cat food.....It is nothing but the floor sweepings > from the slaughterhouse...... All of that does *not* equate with Iams being poison, which I consider more than an unfortunate choice of words on your part. You seem more concerned with the cost of cat food than the quality of what is being fed to your cats. To all readers of anything on the Internet, whether in a newsgroup, a web site or a blog: Caveat Lector! SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh They can't . As my original statement stands listen to a source you trust. There are no vets on these newsgroups Ps Anything that PETA has to do with is always suspicious in my book. They might do some good but their truth and facts are two sides of a coin. >>>> Iams is poison for your pets. >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Caveat Lector! I used to feed Iams but when IAMS started giving VERY HEAVILY to the republican party and Bush's re-election campaign and supporting lies like the ABC's 9/11 movie that was full of LIES. I jettisoned them from my shopping list and started feeding my girls Nutro Max. The girls are very happy with the food and the vet says they look great and are very healthy. That does it for me. Signatureie ride fast, take chances. > They can't . As my original statement stands listen to a source you > trust. There are no vets on these newsgroups [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> >> Caveat Lector! T R O L L ALERT ******* T R O L L ALERT >I used to feed Iams but when IAMS started giving VERY HEAVILY to the >republican party and Bush's re-election campaign and supporting lies like >the ABC's 9/11 movie that was full of LIES. I jettisoned them from my >shopping list and started feeding my girls Nutro Max. Oh my, taking this wacko at his/her word, maybe we should all start feeding our cats Nutro Max, because Bill Clinton & John Kerry recommend it. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL >T R O L L ALERT ******* T R O L L ALERT > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > start feeding our cats Nutro Max, because Bill Clinton & John Kerry > recommend it. Yeah....They both recommended the war on Iraq, too, although the Monday morning quarterbacks now would deny it....... >>T R O L L ALERT ******* T R O L L ALERT >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Yeah....They both recommended the war on Iraq, too, although the Monday > morning quarterbacks now would deny it....... "I voted for the war......before I voted against it." ===== John Kerry (flip-flop flip-flop flip-flop) > T R O L L ALERT ******* T R O L L ALERT Aplly the troll alert to yourself. I don't know if Iams contributed heavily to the GOP or not, nor do I really care. At any rate, partisans suck, be they Democrats or Republicans. Evaluate the candidates, not the party. Sometimes the best candidate is the Democrat, sometimes it's the Republican and just as often it's a third party candidate. >>I used to feed Iams but when IAMS started giving VERY HEAVILY to the >>republican party and Bush's re-election campaign and supporting lies like [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL 3 things never to be discussed or debated RELIGION SEX POLITICS You will never get some one to see eye to eye with you >> T R O L L ALERT ******* T R O L L ALERT > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL > 3 things never to be discussed or debated > RELIGION > SEX > POLITICS Maybe not on a cat forum, but those are all very interesting subjects and should be discussed and debated. Evaluate the candidates, not the party. Sometimes the best candidate is > the Democrat, sometimes it's the Republican and just as often it's a third > party candidate. With all due respect, even though I have been hearing the above all my life, I disagree. I usually vote down party lines, because I believe my party's principals are more important than whatever politician happens to be the "figurehead" of the moment. Now, there are exceptions, of course....If the guy is a real loser. But to me, most politicians are losers, so I just vote for the party whose platform most follows my principals. In recent years, this has become more true than ever....The difference between parties has become huge in the last 10 years or so....... > Evaluate the candidates, not the party. Sometimes the best candidate is > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > this has become more true than ever....The difference between parties has > become huge in the last 10 years or so....... Well, I respectfully disagree. The Republicans have become more liberal on many issues and the Democrats actually showed some fiscal responsibility under Clinton. How much difference is there really between the 2 major parties? It's one thing to end up voting down a party line after evaluating all the candidates, and quite another just to vote for a candidate because he or she belongs to a certain party. I had the privilege of voting in the closet House race last fall and I voted for the Reform Party candidate who took 11% of the vote. The GOP incumbent and the Democrat challenger demonstrated that they weren't interested in anything but attacking each other. The Reform candidate didn't engage in that at all and articulated his positions clearly and even though I didn't agree with him 100%, it was an easy choice for me. >> Evaluate the candidates, not the party. Sometimes the best candidate is >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > didn't engage in that at all and articulated his positions clearly and > even though I didn't agree with him 100%, it was an easy choice for me. Yes. I agree that the Republican party has become very liberal in the last 20 or 30 years or so. And, since I am conservative, and like the capitalist system, this makes me unhappy. But I have never blindly followed the principals of either party, so I have had to inspect the candidates personal philosophies before voting anyway. In general, the only reason I vote at all is because of the various propositions and measures that are usually on the ballot along with the candidates.....IOW, I know that I won't be happy with whomever gets elected (all politicians are alike) but I can always hope to defeat the unconstitutional measures, and vote against more taxes, so it is worth while bothering to vote just for that reason. Also, bear in mind that I live in Oregon, which is exceeded in its liberalism only by California and New York, so I am effectively disenfranchised anyway......Everyone I have ever voted for has been defeated by 60% or more..:^) "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam@dont.spam> wrote in message news Translated: another fruit with no convictions, easily swayed by whatever neo-liberal leftists are selling today. ROTFLMAO! poor freddy I predict that William Grahams' cats will go blind and/or have an early death from heart problems UNLESS he fortifies their diets with Taurine. Cat foods all contain the necessary nutrients that human foods lack. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') In the borning days of the third millennium, ---MIKE--- wrote: >I predict that William Grahams' cats will go blind and/or have an early >death from heart problems UNLESS he fortifies their diets with Taurine. >Cat foods all contain the necessary nutrients that human foods lack. A cat's natural diet is birds, rodents, and other small critters. They can get all the nutrition they need from those things. Unless you think wild cats have prescriptions for taurine supplements. -- Brian Merchant Puritanism didn't keep the puritans from sinning, it just kept them from enjoying it. --Father Joe Breighner, Country Roads > In the borning days of the third millennium, ---MIKE--- wrote: >>I predict that William Grahams' cats will go blind and/or have an early [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cats > have prescriptions for taurine supplements. \ Yes....Also, just because I feed my cats fresh chickens, that doesn't mean they actually EAT fresh chickens....They nibble on kibbles and other foods all the time.....Cats get bored eating just one thing, and they crave variety, just as us human beings do. One of my cats won't eat chicken at all.....I picked him up in a Burger King parking lot, where he had been abandoned, and had been eating French fries and onion rings and anything people threw at him for months......Now, he will only eat cat food, and usually only dry food....... But what the heck is, "Taurine"? >> In the borning days of the third millennium, ---MIKE--- wrote: >>>I predict that William Grahams' cats will go blind and/or have an early [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > usually only dry food....... > But what the heck is, "Taurine"? Wikipedia says it's C2H7NO3S. Essential amino acids, which cannot be synthesized by the animal in sufficient quantities and MUST be supplied in the diet. Essential amino acids include arginine, methionine, histidine, phenylalanine, isoleucine, threonine, leucine, tryptophan, lysine, taurine (for cats) and valine - Non-essential amino acids, which can be synthesized by the animal and are not needed in the diet. Proteins can be obtained from a number of sources. Animal-based proteins such as chicken, lamb, turkey, beef and egg have complete amino acid profiles; fish is also a very good protein source. Protein is also found in vegetables, cereals and soy; these are considered incomplete proteins. (Please note: Raw egg white contains avidin, an anti-vitamin, which ties up or binds biotin from egg yolk-so please do not give your pet raw eggs.) 3. For cats only! The essential amino acid taurine is an essential nutrient for companion cats. Unlike dogs, cats cannot synthesize enough taurine to meet their needs. Taurine is required for the prevention of eye and heart disease, as well as reproduction, fetal growth and survival, and is only found in foods of animal origin, such as meat, eggs and fish http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pets_petnutritionnutrients >>> In the borning days of the third millennium, ---MIKE--- wrote: >>>>I predict that William Grahams' cats will go blind and/or have an early [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> > Wikipedia says it's C2H7NO3S. > Essential amino acids, which cannot be synthesized by the animal in > sufficient quantities and MUST be supplied in the diet. Essential amino [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and heart disease, as well as reproduction, fetal growth and survival, and > is only found in foods of animal origin, such as meat, eggs and fish All of the above is very interesting, but I can't be bothered with investigating the composition of all the foods my cats eat, and making sure they get everything....I just go with variety.....For example, I feed my cats raw eggs, when I think they want raw eggs....Which is like once in a blue moon.....If I happen to make scrambled eggs in the morning, and I happen to have some egg mixture left over, and one of my cats happens to be in the kitchen at that particular time, and I happen to be about to pour the raw egg mixture down the drain, and I happen to see the cat there......Well, you get the picture. Besides, didn't cats eat bird eggs and reptile eggs raw when they found them, for hundreds of thousands of years? I find it hard to believe that they would be poisonous to cats.....Are you sure you aren't being a little obsessive-compulsive about all this diet stuff? - My general feelings on the matter are as follows....Feed them a little bit of everything. Let them scrounge for a bird or a mouse once in a while. Neither they, nor I are going to live forever, so let them (and I) enjoy life while we've got it, and to hell with suffering just to milk a few more months or days out of existence before the ultimate end comes in the door. > All of the above is very interesting, but I can't be bothered with > investigating the composition of all the foods my cats eat, and making sure [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in the kitchen at that particular time, and I happen to be about to pour the > raw egg mixture down the drain, How does that happen? Do you break more eggs than you think you'll eat? > and I happen to see the cat there......Well, > you get the picture. Besides, didn't cats eat bird eggs and reptile eggs raw [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > we've got it, and to hell with suffering just to milk a few more months or > days out of existence before the ultimate end comes in the door. >> All of the above is very interesting, but I can't be bothered with >> investigating the composition of all the foods my cats eat, and making [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > How does that happen? Do you break more eggs than you think you'll eat? Yes. It's because of other people, who might show up, and then again, they might not......It's called unreliability, and our kids and grandkids are well endowed with it.......That, combined with a refrigerator that is so packed with left-overs that you wouldn't believe me if I told you about it...... DID YOU BOTHER TO READ (Please note: Raw egg white contains avidin, an anti-vitamin, which ties up or binds biotin from egg yolk-so please do not give your pet raw eggs.) >> Essential amino acids, which cannot be synthesized by the animal in >> sufficient quantities and MUST be supplied in the diet. Essential amino [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > with suffering just to milk a few more months or days out of existence > before the ultimate end comes in the door. > DID YOU BOTHER TO READ > > (Please note: Raw egg white contains avidin, an anti-vitamin, which ties > up > or binds biotin from egg yolk-so please do not give your pet raw eggs.) DID YOU BOTHER TO READ? Carnivores have been stealing and eating raw eggs from the nests of birds and reptiles for millions of years. If they were poisonous, they would have all been killed off by now. So we are now presented with a logical dilemma. If the eggs are bad for the animals, then how did they survive for the last million years, unless the evolutionary process made them immune to the avidin? Or, to put it another way, what happened during the last few hundred years to offset over a million years of evolution? Not animals cats I am not even going to bother anymore you already revealed what I need to know "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message > Not animals cats > I am not even going to bother anymore you already revealed what I need to > know Do you mean that I revealed a little logic? Long before cats were domesticated, (and there is still some doubt that they are domesticated even now) they were wild animals, and ate eggs of birds and reptiles whenever, and wherever they found them. Look....All I'm doing is questioning your source of information.....What's wrong with that? 20 years ago, the Doctor where I worked put out a memo that said we should beware of raw eggs. /they might contain salmonella bacteria and make us sick.....My older sister ate a raw egg every morning for breakfast. She would put it in a cup and wash it down with a glass of orange juice. (she was always in a hurry) So I asked the doctor, Have the eggs changed, or has our perception of the eggs changed? - She was unable to give me a satisfactory answer to that question......So, I am only asking you the same thing.....Have the eggs changed? - Or, have the cats changed? Or what? In the borning days of the third millennium, William Graham wrote: >20 years ago, the Doctor where I worked put out a memo that said we should >beware of raw eggs. /they might contain salmonella bacteria and make us [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >satisfactory answer to that question......So, I am only asking you the same >thing.....Have the eggs changed? - Or, have the cats changed? Or what? As I understand it, some strain of salmonella infected the laying hen population back in the 60's or 70's and manages to get into the egg before she shell forms. I don't have a source for that, but I remember hearing it somewhere. Before that, eggs were considered highly sterile, but there are some outbreaks of salmonella from uncracked chicken eggs every once in a while today. -- Brian Merchant Puritanism didn't keep the puritans from sinning, it just kept them from enjoying it. --Father Joe Breighner, Country Roads Some interesting stuff... http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/CONSUMER/CON00072.html http://www.azdhs.gov/phs/edc/edrp/es/salmonellosisf.htm Signatureie ride fast, take chances. > In the borning days of the third millennium, William Graham wrote: >>20 years ago, the Doctor where I worked put out a memo that said we should [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > enjoying it. > --Father Joe Breighner, Country Roads > Some interesting stuff... > > http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/CONSUMER/CON00072.html > http://www.azdhs.gov/phs/edc/edrp/es/salmonellosisf.htm interesting. In the borning days of the third millennium, William Graham wrote: >All of the above is very interesting, but I can't be bothered with >investigating the composition of all the foods my cats eat, and making sure >they get everything. It basically boils down to: cats NEED to eat meat. They are pure carnivores by nature and will DIE if put on a purely vegetarian diet. That's because the protein taurine is only found in animals and cats in particular need a lot of it in their diet. The chicken you feed them should contain plenty of taurine. -- Brian Merchant Puritanism didn't keep the puritans from sinning, it just kept them from enjoying it. --Father Joe Breighner, Country Roads > In the borning days of the third millennium, William Graham wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Brian Merchant Of course.....I bank on this. I bank on the cats knowing what they want, and picking the best out of the variety of foods I present them with. And, with a few rare exceptions, most all the cats I have ever owned went for the meat every time. I did know one once that liked cantaloupe, and one who kept an artichoke plant nibbled down to ground level, but in general, they always went for the freshest meat they could get.....As a matter of fact, if I find something suspect in my fridge, I give it to the cat....If the cat won't eat it, then I throw it away. If the cat eats it, then I will eat it. No king ever had a better taster than my cats...... > "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam@dont.spam> wrote in message news > > Translated: another fruit with no convictions, easily swayed by > whatever neo-liberal leftists are selling today. > ROTFLMAO! Actually, I am LOL at you. I actually do have very strong convictions, it's just that they do not fall lockstep with either Dems or Republicans. Go ahead, vote for Mit Romney in '08 - he's the guy with such strong convictions that he's already flipped on abortion and gay rights. Have fun with that. Oh, BTW, what's a "neo-liberal"? Is that anything like a "neo-con"? Bush has destroyed the Republican party. No longer can true conservatives who believe in small gov't, fiscal conservativism, states rights and freedom embrace the GOP. And if you think we're going to embrace Democrats just because the GOP has betrayed us, you've got another think coming. > poor freddy Don't feel sorry for me - feel sorry for your country. >>>> Iams is poison for your pets. >>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > To all readers of anything on the Internet, whether in a newsgroup, a web > site or a blog: I am not the one who called it, "poison", but I don't think very much of it either.....I would much rather feed my cats meat whose origin is known to me, and which I enjoy eating myself.......All of my cats also nibble on kibbles from time to time, and I have no idea just what they contain either.....They must put some cat drug in them to get my cats to like them so well. (I know I'm paranoid, but why would cats, who normally eat fresh killed meat, go for something so dry unless it contained something like that) >>>>> Iams is poison for your pets. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > killed meat, go for something so dry unless it contained something like > that) I apologize for the misplaced response... I realize the "poison" statement came from another poster. SignatureJoey DoWop Dee Remember: It is To Laugh "Ketzl's Dad" <Ketzl40@verizon.net> wrote in message > I apologize for the misplaced response... I realize the "poison" statement > came from another poster. That's one of the problems with usenet.....It's hard to know just who said what. - Especially when there are people like me who jump in on the middle of other people's conversations and throw in my two cents.......While I believe that most cat food is not very good for your cat, I would hesitate to call it, "poison"...... Let's just say that it is designed to make as much money as possible for its manufacturer, and should it also be good for the cat, well, that's an added (and unexpected) bonus. catinfo.org is a helpful site to me. > Hi, I've just joined this group and after reading the last sentence in the > message below mine(Petco), I am left feeling very worried. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > kiffie
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