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Elizabeth - 23 Jan 2007 07:20 GMT
When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and then
I feel horrible. Sometimes she "yelps", and that leaves me shaken and angry
at myself. Of course, she seems fine, but it still doesn't erase the guilt.
When we got her spayed, the vet trimmed her nails, waywaywayway down. I was
shocked.
I haven't been trimming her nails because I don't really trust myself, but
her version of playing, even though she is spayed, is digging her nails into
every piece of flesh around. Mostly my wrists and hands.
She has a serious fear of the vet. She is unrecognizable. When they spayed
her they had to drop her into a net or something to restrain and sedate her.
So taking her to the vet for nail trimmings is pretty much out of the
question.
My question is, should I continue trimming her nails at home, even if I cut
to the quick? Does it cause her extreme pain?
Or should I try to take her to the vet to get it done? And if I do, hwo can I
relax her so she isn't a wild beast when we go there?

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Ted Davis - 23 Jan 2007 13:57 GMT
>When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and then
>I feel horrible. Sometimes she "yelps", and that leaves me shaken and angry
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>Or should I try to take her to the vet to get it done? And if I do, hwo can I
>relax her so she isn't a wild beast when we go there?

Yelping and other distress behavior does not necessarily mean you have
cut to the quick or hurt the cat in any way at all.  If you cut to the
quick, you could see some bleeding.

Some of my cats act like I'm killing them when I trim their claws, and
I'm only cutting a small amount off the very tip.  However, any tool
does cause some disturbance when cutting - sudden laterial and/or
longitudinal - or even - twisting - shock forces, and these upset some
cats more then others.

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kraut - 23 Jan 2007 14:38 GMT
>>When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and then
>>I feel horrible. Sometimes she "yelps", and that leaves me shaken and angry
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>longitudinal - or even - twisting - shock forces, and these upset some
>cats more then others.

When I first started cutting mine I "Injured" them a few times
especially the ones that fought me and I really felt bad also.  What I
did was to start just doing the tips then until me and the furballs
got used to it.  I then gradually started cutting more until I got to
where it should be.

I still "injure" one occassionaly but overall they and me have gotten
used to it even though they still run as soon as they see what I am up
to and they cry like crazy when getting it done but do not try to get
away like they used to.

In time you will get better at it.
William Graham - 23 Jan 2007 21:41 GMT
>>>When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and
>>>then
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>
> In time you will get better at it.

Exactly.....This is my technique too.......
Dan Espen - 23 Jan 2007 15:07 GMT
> When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and then
> I feel horrible. Sometimes she "yelps", and that leaves me shaken and angry
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Or should I try to take her to the vet to get it done? And if I do, hwo can I
> relax her so she isn't a wild beast when we go there?

Best tip I have is put a towel over the cats head.
Goes a long way toward calming the cat down.

You can see the quick inside the claw.
If you use glasses, be sure to wear them.
Then practice.

Also, don't let the cat bite you.
.._.. - 23 Jan 2007 15:39 GMT
Using clippers designed for humans or for cats?

The "pinch" kind clippers for a flat human nail is not what should be used
on  a cat.  Use a "cage" hole and slice type, or a siscors type with a
"notch" blade.

The pinch type can compress and deform the nail so even if you are not
actually cutting flesh it can hurt or split the nail the wrong way.

> When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and
> then
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> can I
> relax her so she isn't a wild beast when we go there?
Calico - 23 Jan 2007 16:03 GMT
I gave up trying to trim the cat's claws a long time ago. She loses the
plot altogether........even the vet told me not to bother as she would
have to be sedated every time. It doesn't seem to cause her much
discomfort though, except her claws getting stuck in things (the
furniture or me....) from time to time..

You're cat is cute by the way.
Rhonda - 23 Jan 2007 17:07 GMT
I think too, she might be trying to buffalo you. I think it would be
really hard to cat to the quick of a cat. The quick is all the way back
in the wide part of the nail -- don't you just cut off the skinny,
curved dagger sticking out?

I'll bet she has figured out that it shakes you up to yelp and might
make you stop...  They're suck stinkers.

Rhonda

> When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and then
> I feel horrible. Sometimes she "yelps", and that leaves me shaken and angry
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Or should I try to take her to the vet to get it done? And if I do, hwo can I
> relax her so she isn't a wild beast when we go there?
William Graham - 23 Jan 2007 21:39 GMT
> When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and
> then
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> can I
> relax her so she isn't a wild beast when we go there?

My take: (FWIW) Is to do it often, and stay well away from the quick, so it
doesn't hurt her at all.....(it may not protect your furniture, but that's
not what this is about right now) If you trim them every week, and never
hurt her, then she will become used to it, and will no longer be traumatized
by it....The same would be true of the vet, but that's a lot more
expensive....If you could bring her to the vet every week, so do something
that doesn't hurt at all, (maybe just walk through the waiting room) then
she would become used to that, too.........
Elizabeth - 23 Jan 2007 22:08 GMT
Oh, I would never use human nail clippers on her.
Her back claws are dark, so it's hard to see the quick, but from now on I'll
just stick to the very tips.

And yes, one time she yelped, and when I looked at her nail, I wasn't even
close to the quick.
Little brat. =)

Thanks for the advice! And thank you for complimenting her!
kate - 24 Jan 2007 08:39 GMT
> When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and then
> I feel horrible. Sometimes she "yelps", and that leaves me shaken and angry
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>
> Message posted via CatKB.comhttp://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cats/200701/1

Try doing it when she's asleep. I always did Angus's claws when he was
asleep and sometimes he didn't even stir. It does sometimes take a
couple of naps to get all four paws, depending on how they're sleeping.
I also played with his paws a lot while he was relaxed and/or sleeping
- massaging and pressing them to extend the claws - to get him used to
the sensations without the clippers anywhere in sight.

All the best with her. Hope things improve.
Kate & Angus
summerrose34@hotmail.com - 12 Feb 2007 11:32 GMT
> > When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick, and then
> > I feel horrible. Sometimes she "yelps", and that leaves me shaken and angry
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> All the best with her. Hope things improve.
> Kate & Angus

Yes you can use human ToeNail clippers.  Turn them sideways and clip
from the side, so as not to break the claw.

You may be cracking the nail shell, and that would hurt a little or
scare her.  Word:  if you actually nick the quick, she'll do a whole
lot more than just yelp, and as someone noted, it will bleed.

Vets do an amended V cut which makes the claw tips grow out too fast.
As the other posters have said, clip straight across, and here's the
key (read this in the Roscommons book "Good Owners, Great Cats"):
Clip about halfway between the tip of the claw and the pink quick.
You can see the quick through the black claws:  turn the light on and
look closely.

and yes, very perspicacious on the part of whoever said it, your kitty
may be false-alarming you to guilt you out.  Cause and effect:  she's
seen your reaction.

Don't let the cat down right away after clipping:  hug and kiss and
love them up, and go exuberantly ballistic over the top happy i.e.
"You're such a good girl to let Mama clip your claws!  You're the best
Fluffy in the whole world!  Fluffy has such wonderful, sweet claws!
Such a good girl!"  with an emphasis on "good girl", "clip claws",
"sweet girl", in a very happy, wonderful, excited voice, look her in
the eyes, and go on and on until the neighbors are ready to call the
nut-house to take you away, and then hear my voice saying, Do it
more.  More.  Make a party of it, and do it every time you clip her
claws, and you won't have any more trouble with her.

clip claws on a regular basis about every two weeks and start when
they're about two months old  and as someone above said, it helps to
start with a slightly sleepy relaxed kitty, regardless of age.

As someone above said, handle the paws and claws a lot, and appear [to
the cat] to be very loving and fascinated by them.  Teach your cat the
words paws and claws.  Tell the cat before clipping what you are
doing.

You do need to clip them so they don't get caught in you or other
things.  I heard somewhere they can grow around back into the pad, in
house cats.  Don't know if I believe that but I don't like casual claw
damage, so clipped they are.

I hurt my white cat with the clippers once very slightly last year,
and she's never let me forget it, so I do endorse the "buffaloing you"
comment above -- very astute.

summerrose
Sara - 12 Feb 2007 20:54 GMT
<summerrose34@hotmail.com> wrote in message >

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> You do need to clip them so they don't get caught in you or
> other
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>
> summerrose

Our Tortie's claws used to do that, grow around and start digging
into her pad if you let them go too long, first time I saw her
limping because of that was the last time I let them go that
long, but there were some close calls at times.  Time just goes
by so fast, you think you just clipped them and suddenly they are
curling up again.  ick.  She was a stinker about getting them
clipped, but she 'tolerated' it.

Sara
KMP - 13 Feb 2007 18:25 GMT
> Our Tortie's claws used to do that, grow around and start digging
> into her pad if you let them go too long, first time I saw her
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>
> Sara

Woodgie squirmed this morning when I was trimming back a couple of her
extra long nails that I missed the last time and she got nipped and
bled. She didn't freak out, but started squirming more and I got
streaked with blood while trying to find the styptic powder. We got it
stopped and we both got calmed down, but she was  a bit put out at me....
Kathy
Me - 19 Feb 2007 00:17 GMT
>> > When I trim my cat's claws, it seems that I always cut to the quick,
>> > and then
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>
> summerrose

I have my vet do it.
William Graham - 19 Feb 2007 00:47 GMT
Don't let the cat down right away after clipping:  hug and kiss and
>> love them up, and go exuberantly ballistic over the top happy i.e.
>> "You're such a good girl to let Mama clip your claws!  You're the best
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> more.  More.  Make a party of it, and do it every time you clip her
>> claws, and you won't have any more trouble with her.

"Her" maybe....But when I treat my males that way, they want to throw
up.......:^)

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