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Calico - 10 Jan 2007 01:49 GMT
Maybe you guys on here can give me your advice and make me see things a
little clearer. I have a beutiful calico cat. She is the latest in a
long line of cats my family would have kept down through the years. She
actually belongs to my brother. I didn't want to get any more cats
since I get so attached to them but he did so he got this one and
really bonded with her. He was MAD about this cat and spoiled her
accordingly (worst move ever!). Anyway, to cut a long story short, my
brother passed away 18 months ago. He meant the world to me & I have no
other family left. All that is left is this cat. Now, I'm not going to
go on about my grief but I am a wreck. A total wreck. I've since been
looking after puss and trying to tend to her every need. I'm as much a
cat person as my brother. We always had lots of cats and had such fun
loving them and taking care of them over the years. So anyway, it has
taken some time but I have grown to love this cat and her me - in so
far as a cat will love you. She is an indoor cat and is well behaved in
all respects apart from shedding more hair than i have ever known a cat
to shed. She is a calico so she hates to picked up & will not settle on
your lap, but she is affectionate enough and has lovely colours. The
thing is, I am thinking of trying to find another home for her. This is
so gut-wrenching for me to even contemplate as not only do I love her
in her own right, she was my brother's cat, and he was CRAZY about her.
Like, I will do anything to make sure this cat has the best life
possible and never comes to any harm. It's just that, as I am now alone
with no family, having a cat, while great company, is very difficult. I
can't leave the apartment for any period of time, I can't consider jobs
abroad or elsewhere. She is only about 3 or 4 years old so has at least
10 years of happy cat years ahead of her, and i just think, as I'm
relatively young, that I am very tied down by her. I would like to be
able to travel, maybe work abroad, etc.  So I am thinking of finding
her a new home.

It is so upsetting to even think about. Do you think it is a very cruel
thing to consider? Do you think I will be able to find someone to adopt
an ever-molting calico of 4 years of age? Will poor puss cope in a new
environment and be nice to someone else? She has never lived outside
and I'm petrified that someone won't take as good care of her as I do
and she'll get out and get savaged by a dog or hit by a car. I was
thinking of advertising for a foster home for 12 months so I could give
her away on a 'trial' basis and go get her if it didn't work out. Do
you think I am just being selfish? Especially considering she was my
brother's beloved pet and so is a link to him? It really upsets me -
her welfare is all I care about really - I just wonder about cats - do
they re-home easily? I don't think I could bear her to be really
stressed and frightened in some new place! My aunt even says I should
get her put down! I don't think I could do that. Sorry for rambling...
William Graham - 10 Jan 2007 01:58 GMT
> Maybe you guys on here can give me your advice and make me see things a
> little clearer. I have a beutiful calico cat. She is the latest in a
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> stressed and frightened in some new place! My aunt even says I should
> get her put down! I don't think I could do that. Sorry for rambling...

Do you have any friends that live in the country or suburbs that might take
her? - That way, you could visit her once in a while, and it wouldn't be
like you were leaving her forever.....
Rhonda - 10 Jan 2007 06:45 GMT
You know your situation and what would be best for both of you, but I
have to think that it would be a shame to let this kitty go. Did you say
if you are in the UK? If so, I know most people there let their cats be
outside cats, so I would be concerned about that.

Your kitty doesn't have to tie you down completely. How often do you
want to travel? Will you be gone for weeks at a time? Maybe there is
someone who would like to housesit for you while you are gone and could
watch after your cat.

We have moved many times with cats and they always adjust. Would you be
in one place for very long or continually moving?

You might think about even getting a second cat. If you feel guilty
about being gone too long during the day, it might help if you knew your
cat was at home curled up with another kitty.

I'm wondering if you just need to change the way you think about her.
You took her on because of your brother and didn't decide to get a cat
on your own, so maybe there are feelings that she is a burden. Sometimes
just changing the way you think about things can help -- like does she
bring you more happiness and companionship than the negative factors?

Also think about yourself -- would you feel guilty if you found the cat
another home? I know there are feelings attached to your brother through
this cat, so make sure you understand all of your own feelings before
you do anything.

I hope you can work out something for the cat to stay with you, but I'm
glad you are taking the time to think it over. I hope you find a
solution that works for both of you.

Good luck,

Rhonda

> Maybe you guys on here can give me your advice and make me see things a
> little clearer. I have a beutiful calico cat. She is the latest in a
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> stressed and frightened in some new place! My aunt even says I should
> get her put down! I don't think I could do that. Sorry for rambling...
kraut - 10 Jan 2007 13:43 GMT
What would you do if you had a human child??  Give it away so you
could travel or if it felt like it was ting you down??

>Maybe you guys on here can give me your advice and make me see things a
>little clearer. I have a beutiful calico cat. She is the latest in a
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>stressed and frightened in some new place! My aunt even says I should
>get her put down! I don't think I could do that. Sorry for rambling...
null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de - 10 Jan 2007 19:22 GMT
>Maybe you guys on here can give me your advice and make me see things a
>little clearer. I have a beutiful calico cat. She is the latest in a
 <<snip snip snip>>
>brother's beloved pet and so is a link to him? It really upsets me -
>her welfare is all I care about really - I just wonder about cats - do
>they re-home easily? I don't think I could bear her to be really
>stressed and frightened in some new place! My aunt even says I should
>get her put down! I don't think I could do that. Sorry for rambling...

I have 3 Siamese from different backgrounds:
-A male from a horribly abusive home (someone caught him on fire) I
got him from a feline rescue place after they rehabbed him
-A sterile female castoff from a breeder
-A female from a lady with cancer who had about 6 mos to live and was
selling all her pets.

They're all from 2 - 3 years old and are now living together with me
and getting along pretty well with no behavior issues (they ALL like
to be in my lap, but I can only handle 2 at a time...and that's
crowded!!!!)

I think you're worrying WAY too much;  I think cats can adapt to many
different situations/people/other pets.  Even my male (who was abused
and is sleeping in my lap right now) is slowly recovering from his
trauma and is a lot less jumpy than when I got him about 16 months
ago.
~*Connie*~ - 10 Jan 2007 23:53 GMT
I work in cat rescue.. and Im all for people taking full responsibility for
the lives they adopt.. however you didn't adopt this kitty - you inherited
it when your brother passed (my condolences!!)

You need to consider what is best for the kitty.  If you are someone who
would consider taking a job out of country, or who likes to travel
extensively, then yes, you might want to consider finding it a new home.
You absolutely can keep the kitty and find housesitters if you travel, so  I
guess it depends on how much.  And you can take the kitty with you if you
take a job out of country - again, there is work and paperwork involved..

You are not cruel for considering it.  Cats rehome often with few problems.
this kitty has already had one upheavel in its life, and if she adjusted to
you just fine, then she'll adjust to a new home as well.

You are right to be concerned about where she'll end up. With millions (not
a typo or an exaggeration) of homeless cats, good homes are very hard to
come by.  You could try listing on petfinder.com or finding a no kill
shelter (although that really isn't much of a life while she waits for a new
home)

Honestly.. I don't know what to suggest.  You the kitty is your brothers..
but your brother passed over a year ago.  You say you didn't want any more
cats cause you get so attached, but if your brother passed 18 months ago,
then wouldn't you be totally attached at this point?  I know I get attached
after a few hours..

Maybe start looking for a good home.. see what you find.. and if you can't
find anything, that might just tell you what you need to know..

> Maybe you guys on here can give me your advice and make me see things a
> little clearer. I have a beutiful calico cat. She is the latest in a
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> stressed and frightened in some new place! My aunt even says I should
> get her put down! I don't think I could do that. Sorry for rambling...
Calico - 11 Jan 2007 00:22 GMT
Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I am totally attached. Completely &
utterly even though I never really took to this cat in the beginning
and she never took to me either, not to mention that she is
unbelieveably fussy and selfish. I think this was partly not
understanding the calico personality! It's just that I can't trust
anyone else with her and I'll be damned before I let anything bad
happen to her. My brother adored her. She does constrain me though. I'm
young and might like to travel for a few months sometime or just
holidays even. Even if I leave for the day by the time I get home she's
crying at the door. Maybe I will do as you suggest and just put the
feelers out. If I could find an old person who wanted the company that
would be perfect. Or even a foster home. Thing is, although she is very
clean, she sheds hair like no cat I have ever known. It drives me
INSANE.
Kim - 11 Jan 2007 20:33 GMT
I don't understand why you think you can't go out for any period of
time. I've traveled and I have 2 cats, but I simply have friends come
over and make sure they have food and water. Getting a job abroad can
be tricky, depending on where you want to go.
http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/0311/moving_pets_overseas
.shtml
.
Do a Google search for moving abroad pets and you'll be hit with many
websites that will give you the information you need.

> Maybe you guys on here can give me your advice and make me see things a
> little clearer. I have a beutiful calico cat. She is the latest in a
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> stressed and frightened in some new place! My aunt even says I should
> get her put down! I don't think I could do that. Sorry for rambling...
William Graham - 12 Jan 2007 01:18 GMT
>I don't understand why you think you can't go out for any period of
> time. I've traveled and I have 2 cats, but I simply have friends come
> over and make sure they have food and water. Getting a job abroad can
> be tricky, depending on where you want to go.

Yes....Here in Salem, Oregon there is a "cat sitter" who makes her living by
just stopping by and feeding the cats (and any other pets) for 1/2 hour
every day, or every other day....Whatever you want. We can leave our cats
for a couple of weeks with her with no problem.......She will also pick up
the mail and newspapers so your house looks, "lived in"......
Calico - 12 Jan 2007 01:21 GMT
See, the thing is I have no-one in this world. Literally, no-one.
No-one that can help me out with pussalina anyway. All my family are
gone. Like, I know I can just leave extra food & water and go off for a
week but I think it's cruel leaving her there on her own. Even if I go
off for the day she's crying at the door when I get back........and
this cat NEVER meows. And if I went off somewhere for a year or
whatever, I think it would also be cruel to be hauling the poor cat
around. She can't tolerate the vet as it is! I would never do it, but
sometimes I think why not just get her an injection and put to sleep -
I mean, if someone said to me when you go to sleep tonight you won't
wake up, I don't think I'd be particularly bothered. I dunno.....
William Graham - 12 Jan 2007 02:12 GMT
> See, the thing is I have no-one in this world. Literally, no-one.
> No-one that can help me out with pussalina anyway. All my family are
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> I mean, if someone said to me when you go to sleep tonight you won't
> wake up, I don't think I'd be particularly bothered. I dunno.....

Well, that's true, but I would feel better if I at least gave the cat a
chance.....Animals can be remarkably cleaver when it comes to their own
survival....If you die, your cat would find another home, because there are
lots of people around (like me) who would feed anything that showed up at my
back door....That's how I got the four cats I have right now. And my
neighborhood is full of old geezers like me who feed the stray cats whenever
they can. When we put a collar and name tag on the feral cat that we were
feeding, we got a telephone call less than a week later from someone else
that was feeding him also about two blocks away. (they had a hot tub, which
explained why he seldom spent the night with us.....He was sleeping on the
cover of their hot tub) So these animals are very versatile, and a lot
better at surviving than you seem to think they are. Anyone who "owns" an
outside cat will tell you that they probably aren't the only
"owners"....their cats will just stick around as long as your's is their
favorite place, and not a minute longer.....I think you are worrying about
your cat too much. Cut a cat door in your back door, teach the cat how to
come and go through it, and then stop feeding it for a few days and watch
what happens....Pretty soon you will get a call from one of your neighbors
asking you if you own a "such and such colored cat", and do you mind if "we
feed it, because our daughter likes to pet it"..........
MoMo - 13 Jan 2007 00:51 GMT
Wow, I have never posted a negative response on this website, but William, I
think your advice is extremely drastic.  I mean "stop feeding it for a few
days and watch
>what happens"?  Are you sick!  This poor girl knows in her heart that she cannot give this cat the home the she would like to give it and what she knows the cat deserves and I commend her for knowing that.  Try to find this kitty a good home (not that your home is not already a good one).  If I remember correctly from your post, you have already had this cat for 18 months and have definitely given it a chance and you know in your heart that it is not working.  I would not drop this cat off at a shelter to find a home, but I would post ads in the paper and this way you get to meet the people who are willing to offer a home to her/him and decide if you think that it is a good fit.  That may give you some relief.  I think you are making the right decision and once again, I commend you for knowing that this cat is not getting what she wants and needs with you (and I don't mean that in a bad way).  If you want to get up and travel for a month or longer it is hard to do with a cat at home.  I mean, I feel bad when I stay out for a night away from my guys.  Plus, I am sure that your brother would want you and his cat to be happy.  

Good luck in your search for a home for your cat and I am so sorry for the
loss of your brother.  Please let us know how everything works out for you
and the kitty in the future.

>> See, the thing is I have no-one in this world. Literally, no-one.
>> No-one that can help me out with pussalina anyway. All my family are
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>asking you if you own a "such and such colored cat", and do you mind if "we
>feed it, because our daughter likes to pet it"..........
William Graham - 13 Jan 2007 04:14 GMT
> Wow, I have never posted a negative response on this website, but William,
> I
> think your advice is extremely drastic.  I mean "stop feeding it for a few
> days and watch
>>what happens"?  Are you sick!  .......

I said it, and I'm sticking with it....:^)
MoMo - 13 Jan 2007 20:06 GMT
Wow, so you would rather her starve the cat than her find it a good home?
That's just unbelievable.

>> Wow, I have never posted a negative response on this website, but William,
>> I
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>
>I said it, and I'm sticking with it....:^)
William Graham - 13 Jan 2007 21:16 GMT
> Wow, so you would rather her starve the cat than her find it a good home?
> That's just unbelievable.

Well, if that's the way you interpreted what I wrote, then you will just
have to go through life thinking a lot of things are, "unbelievable".
   I gave up trying to educate large numbers of usenet posters a long time
ago.....I am 71, and just don't have that much time left.......
MoMo - 14 Jan 2007 01:26 GMT
What you wrote to her was to not feed her cat so that it will go elsewhere
for food.  I sure hope that is not the way you treat your cats with the time
you have left.

>> Wow, so you would rather her starve the cat than her find it a good home?
>> That's just unbelievable.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>    I gave up trying to educate large numbers of usenet posters a long time
>ago.....I am 71, and just don't have that much time left.......
William Graham - 14 Jan 2007 06:01 GMT
> What you wrote to her was to not feed her cat so that it will go elsewhere
> for food.  I sure hope that is not the way you treat your cats with the
> time
> you have left.

The following is the original post that I answered, followed by my reply to
that post:

> See, the thing is I have no-one in this world. Literally, no-one.
> No-one that can help me out with pussalina anyway. All my family are
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I mean, if someone said to me when you go to sleep tonight you won't
> wake up, I don't think I'd be particularly bothered. I dunno.....

Well, that's true, but I would feel better if I at least gave the cat a
chance.....Animals can be remarkably cleaver when it comes to their own
survival....If you die, your cat would find another home, because there are
lots of people around (like me) who would feed anything that showed up at my
back door....That's how I got the four cats I have right now. And my
neighborhood is full of old geezers like me who feed the stray cats whenever
they can. When we put a collar and name tag on the feral cat that we were
feeding, we got a telephone call less than a week later from someone else
that was feeding him also about two blocks away. (they had a hot tub, which
explained why he seldom spent the night with us.....He was sleeping on the
cover of their hot tub) So these animals are very versatile, and a lot
better at surviving than you seem to think they are. Anyone who "owns" an
outside cat will tell you that they probably aren't the only
"owners"....their cats will just stick around as long as your's is their
favorite place, and not a minute longer.....I think you are worrying about
your cat too much. Cut a cat door in your back door, teach the cat how to
come and go through it, and then stop feeding it for a few days and watch
what happens....Pretty soon you will get a call from one of your neighbors
asking you if you own a "such and such colored cat", and do you mind if "we
feed it, because our daughter likes to pet it"..........

Now, if you think that all I said was to stop feeding the cat, then you have
a real reading comprehension problem........
MoMo - 14 Jan 2007 16:10 GMT
Oh I read your post and you stated "Cut a cat door in your back door, teach
the cat how to
come and go through it, and then stop feeding it for a few days and watch
what happens".  To even suggest something like that is cruel and inhumane.
Finding a cat a better home is a better option to putting it to sleep than to
starve it so it finds a way to fend for itself.

>> What you wrote to her was to not feed her cat so that it will go elsewhere
>> for food.  I sure hope that is not the way you treat your cats with the
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>Now, if you think that all I said was to stop feeding the cat, then you have
>a real reading comprehension problem........
William Graham - 15 Jan 2007 00:25 GMT
> Oh I read your post and you stated "Cut a cat door in your back door,
> teach
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to
> starve it so it finds a way to fend for itself.

Yes, but the original poster was seriously considering putting the cat to
sleep. I think she should give the cat a chance. What I read into the
original post, was a woman who had coddled her cat so much that the poor
thing was neurotic, and now, not being able to cope with her neurotic cat,
was considering putting it to sleep.
   So, I was trying to save the poor thing's life, by trying to get her to
give the cat a chance to stand on it's own two (or four) feet, and go out
into the world and just be a cat.......If her cat is a pain then just throw
it outside for a while, and let it find another home in the neighborhood,
and throw off all its nurosis and live the life of a real cat.
   None of my cats are so dependent on me that they couldn't fend for
themsilves if they had to. They all came from the neighborhood except one,
and he was foraging for food in a Burger King parking lot when I grabbed him
and threw him in the back seat of my car and drove him home.  As soon as I
got him home, one of my other cats took him out and introduced him to all
the neighbors. If my wife and I died (like in a car crash or something) all
of my cats would find other houses in the neighborhood that would take them
in and feed them. We don't have to worry about them, and I would never have
one of them put to sleep unless it was suffering from some disease that
human beings can't cure, and were suffering.

   In other words, I was trying to get the lady to utilize the natural
independence of felines, and give her cat the chance to find a good home for
itself, and not grab it and put it to sleep just because she has trouble
coping with it. Every healthy cat deserves the chance to live.....

   Do you understand now?

>>> What you wrote to her was to not feed her cat so that it will go
>>> elsewhere
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>>have
>>a real reading comprehension problem........
William Graham - 15 Jan 2007 00:29 GMT
> Finding a cat a better home is a better option to putting it to sleep than
> to
> starve it so it finds a way to fend for itself.

Sure, but she specifically stated that she "has no one", and can't find the
cat a better home......So, she should give the cat a chance to find a better
home for itself....After all, all of my cats did....They found me....All by
themselves......And I've got the best chow in town.......
MoMo - 15 Jan 2007 00:45 GMT
And that is exactly why you should instruct her how to go about finding her
cat a good home.  You don't need to "know people" to do that.  I feel for
your cats.

>> Finding a cat a better home is a better option to putting it to sleep than
>> to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>home for itself....After all, all of my cats did....They found me....All by
>themselves......And I've got the best chow in town.......
Calico - 15 Jan 2007 00:46 GMT
Oh please, if I was the kind of person that would cut a hole in the
door and let the cat off, I don't think I would be on here asking for
advice about her welfare! Anyway, she is an indoor cat & I live in an
apartment so if I did cut a hole in the door she would also need the
key for the main entrance. I just want her to have a long and happy
life. My own attachment issues I can deal with.
William Graham - 15 Jan 2007 01:34 GMT
> Oh please, if I was the kind of person that would cut a hole in the
> door and let the cat off, I don't think I would be on here asking for
> advice about her welfare! Anyway, she is an indoor cat & I live in an
> apartment so if I did cut a hole in the door she would also need the
> key for the main entrance. I just want her to have a long and happy
> life. My own attachment issues I can deal with.

Well, before I would put a cat to sleep, I would let it have the opportunity
to fend for itself, even if it was an "indoor" cat....Which you didn't make
clear in your original post....There are many cats in the apartments of New
York City that are "outside cats"....They come and go through windows to the
fire escapes that their owners block open just far enough for their cats to
use, but are blocked so they won't open far enough for intruders to come in.
   Also, bear in mind that all my cats are, and always have been, outside
cats, so it is hard for me to understand inside cat people and how they
relate to their animals.....I wouldn't keep an animal that I would have to
lock up...Which is why I don't have any dogs or other pets except cats.....I
feed anything that comes to my door, but I refuse to lock it in the
house....(Sometimes even the raccoons get in the cat door, which can be a
problem....)
MoMo - 15 Jan 2007 01:53 GMT
Actually, she does state that her cat is an indoor cat in her original post:

"She is an indoor cat and is well behaved in all respects apart from shedding
more hair than i have ever known a cat to shed."  

Living in NYC myself, I can tell you that people here do not allow their pets
outside, and if they did, they would never see their cats again.  The
apartment buildings in Manhattan do not have fire escapes, we have indoor
fire proof staircases.  You are thinking of the boroughs outside of the city
and those cats have a very poor rate of survival.  If it does not get hit by
a car, there are people around here that find joy in doing God knows what to
animals.  You may live in area where cat's can go and roam free, which is a
wonderful environment for cats as I grew up in an environment like that, but
not everyone does.  My cats have never been outside, nor will they ever for
their own safety.

Calico, good luck in finding your kitty a home.  Please keep us informed how
everything turns out for you.

>> Oh please, if I was the kind of person that would cut a hole in the
>> door and let the cat off, I don't think I would be on here asking for
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>house....(Sometimes even the raccoons get in the cat door, which can be a
>problem....)
William Graham - 15 Jan 2007 04:28 GMT
> Actually, she does state that her cat is an indoor cat in her original
> post:
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> how
> everything turns out for you.

Well, I understand your problem, but before I leave this discussion forever,
I would like to ask you a question. If you had a cat you loved, and couldn't
keep it yourself or give it to anyone you know, for some reason, which would
you do?

Choice 1.    Have it put to sleep.
Choice 2.    Take it to a nice suburban environment (by taxi, if necessary)
And just let it go.
Calico - 15 Jan 2007 11:13 GMT
> Well, I understand your problem, but before I leave this discussion forever,
> I would like to ask you a question. If you had a cat you loved, and couldn't
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> Choice 2.    Take it to a nice suburban environment (by taxi, if necessary)
> And just let it go.

If it was a cat that had never been outside before I would put it to
sleep. Seems a lot kinder than just leaving it to god knows what.
Matthew - 15 Jan 2007 11:17 GMT
>> Actually, she does state that her cat is an indoor cat in her original
>> post:
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> Choice 2.    Take it to a nice suburban environment (by taxi, if
> necessary) And just let it go.

Number 2 is a very sick and disturbed thought
MoMo - 15 Jan 2007 14:30 GMT
Neither, I would bring it to a non-kill shelter.

>> Actually, she does state that her cat is an indoor cat in her original
>> post:
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>Choice 2.    Take it to a nice suburban environment (by taxi, if necessary)
>And just let it go.
Ketzl's Dad - 15 Jan 2007 14:47 GMT
> Well, I understand your problem, but before I leave this discussion
> forever, I would like to ask you a question. If you had a cat you
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Choice 2.    Take it to a nice suburban environment (by taxi, if
> necessary) And just let it go.

In my own case (in NYC) I would take him back to the shelter where I
got him... er, I mean, where he got me. They are a non-kill, to the
best of my knowledge.

In my mind, Choice 2 is like abandoning my child.

But the thought of taking him *anywhere* and leaving him is anathema. I
sympathize with the OP.

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William Graham - 15 Jan 2007 21:22 GMT
>> Well, I understand your problem, but before I leave this discussion
>> forever, I would like to ask you a question. If you had a cat you loved,
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> But the thought of taking him *anywhere* and leaving him is anathema. I
> sympathize with the OP.

Yes....Well, my question was not a "test" - There is no right or wrong
answer. I simply stated it to make people think, and realize that different
folks think about life, death, God, and the universe in different ways.
Actually, one could write a whole book about nothing more than the answers
to that question, and the reasons behind those answers....
   The third alternative, (to find a non-kill shelter) is interesting....I
wonder how many of those exist here in the US, and where they are located. I
also wonder how long, on the average, a cat stays cooped up in such a place
before it finds a home.
The Bulldog - 21 Jan 2007 08:20 GMT
"William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
>    The third alternative, (to find a non-kill shelter) is interesting....I
> wonder how many of those exist here in the US, and where they are located.
> I also wonder how long, on the average, a cat stays cooped up in such a
> place before it finds a home.

William, there are more rescue shelters then you can shake a, well you know
what I mean ;->

www.petfinder.org is a great source for finding a kitty or a dog that needs
rescue.  It is also a great resource when looking for a shelter to give up
an animal to.

Some cat's go to no-kill shelters and spend their entire life there.
Sometimes that is not a good place to be but some shelters have some pretty
nice set-up's.  In my area, Chicagoland, there are some no-kill shelters
that have cat rooms that are set up to house hundreds of cats with no cages.
It is quite an experience to see.  Me personally, if I was a cat, would find
that type of set-up to be pretty nice and might not want to leave.

As my cat is entering her final weeks or months of life (cancer), we are
contemplating on if we want to get another kitty and if we do, then a rescue
shelter will be the first and only place we go.  Our big dilemma will be
which one as there are around 20 within a 25 mile radius of our house.

Bulldog...
Roberta Bagshaw - 15 Jan 2007 22:05 GMT
wrote.....

> Well, I understand your problem, but before I leave this discussion
> forever, I would like to ask you a question. If you had a cat you loved,
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> Choice 2.    Take it to a nice suburban environment (by taxi, if
> necessary) and just let it go.

What William Graham is proposing in his post is abandonment of an animal.
(See section 3(f) below).

Here in Western Australia, if you were to do what William suggested in his
post, you would be liable to be prosecuted under our State's Animal Welfare
Act.   If you bother to read your own Country/State's Animal Welfare Act you
will undoubtedly find that similar laws apply.
ANIMAL WELFARE ACT 2002 - SECT 19
Cruelty to animals
19 . Cruelty to animals

(1) A person must not be cruel to an animal.

Penalty: Minimum — $2 000.

Maximum — $50 000 and imprisonment for 5 years.

(2) Without limiting subsection (1) a person, whether or not the person is a
person in charge of the animal, is cruel to an animal if the person —

 (a) tortures, mutilates, maliciously beats or wounds, abuses, torments, or
otherwise ill-treats, the animal;
 (b) uses a prescribed inhumane device on the animal;
 (c) intentionally or recklessly poisons the animal;
 (d) does any prescribed act to, or in relation to, the animal; or
 (e) in any other way causes the animal unnecessary harm.
(3) Without limiting subsection (1) a person in charge of an animal is cruel
to an animal if the animal —

 (a) is transported in a way that causes, or is likely to cause, it
unnecessary harm;
 (b) is confined, restrained or caught in a manner that —
 (i) is prescribed; or
 (ii) causes, or is likely to cause, it unnecessary harm;
 (c) is worked, driven, ridden or otherwise used —
 (i) when it is not fit to be so used or has been over used; or
 (ii) in a manner that causes, or is likely to cause, it unnecessary harm;
 (d) is not provided with proper and sufficient food or water;
 (e) is not provided with such shelter, shade or other protection from the
elements as is reasonably necessary to ensure its welfare, safety and
health;
 (f) is abandoned, whether at the place where it is normally kept or
elsewhere;
 (g) is subjected to a prescribed surgical or similar operation, practice
or activity;
 (h) suffers harm which could be alleviated by the taking of reasonable
steps;
 (i) suffers harm as a result of a prescribed act being carried out on, or
in relation to, it; or
 (j) is, in any other way, caused unnecessary harm.
William Graham - 15 Jan 2007 22:49 GMT
> wrote.....
>
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> in relation to, it; or
>  (j) is, in any other way, caused unnecessary harm.

How about: - "is, injected with a poisonous substance, causing it
unnecessary death."?
   Or, does that come under (j) above?

The question is, which "unnecessary harm" is worse than some other
"unnecessary harm".

These laws, like most laws, are ambiguous, and subject to interpretation by
human beings, who, for some unknown reason, have been given the power of
life and death over cats and other animals.
   I am sorry, but I would still like to give the cat a chance to dictate
it's own fate, laws or no laws.....
   After all, the great God of this universe, in His infinite wisdom,
causes millions of little furry creatures to die of starvation and exposure
every Winter....Why should my cat get even less of a chance than that?
Roberta Bagshaw - 15 Jan 2007 23:38 GMT
>> wrote.....
>>
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> exposure every Winter....Why should my cat get even less of a chance than
> that?

My intention is not to enter into an argument with you regarding your
opinion of what is the right way to deal with re-homing of this cat.  I
merely posted part of the Animal Welfare Act of Western Australia to show
that in certain parts of the world, deliberately abandoning an animal to
fend for itself is considered a criminal and cruel act.
William Graham - 16 Jan 2007 01:00 GMT
>>> wrote.....
>>>
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> that in certain parts of the world, deliberately abandoning an animal to
> fend for itself is considered a criminal and cruel act.

I know....And I am not angry with you about the post. We also have similar
laws here, and they serve a good purpose. Most people who abandon animals
aren't doing it for the animal's sake. They are just too lazy to bother to
find the animal a good home....My favorite cat, "B-K" came from the next
town's Burger King parking lot....I was there the Wednesday before
Thanksgiving day in 2004, just before they closed at 10:00 PM, to buy a
couple of hamburgers for me and my wife. There was this young (about a year
old) black cat by the door, and when I left with my bag of burgers, he stood
on his hind legs and put one paw on my knee, and pawed at the burger bag and
said, "Can I have a little of your hamburgers, dad?"
   I did better than that....I picked him up, threw him in the back seat of
my car, and he has been my favorite cat for over two years now......He knows
how to drink milk out of a glass....Most cats will knock the glass over, and
lap up what they can before it soaks into the ground....B-K puts his paw
down into the milk, and then licks it off without knocking the glass
over....He could finish off a whole glass of milk that way when I got
him.....Now, he likes to slurp some of my wife's cereal milk right out of
her bowl at night, and other than a little milk once in a while, he won't
touch people food....It's strictly kibbles for B-K. - He won't even eat
chopped up roasted chicken........
The Bulldog - 21 Jan 2007 08:11 GMT
"William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
> Choice 1.    Have it put to sleep.
> Choice 2.    Take it to a nice suburban environment (by taxi, if
> necessary) And just let it go.

#3 - take it to a rescue shelter and let them attempt to rehome it.  I live
in the outer suburbs of a large American city.  Out here, outside cats are
dead cats - it just takes a little time.  I see the people who let their
kitty out to roam and eventually I see same kitty dead on the side of the
road or find kitty half eaten by coyotes or killed by someone with a bb gun
or .22 who didn't want a cat killing the creatures in their yard.  A few
years ago I had to remove a cat from an engine (for a friend who didn't have
the stomach for it) that died there trying to find a warm place to sleep and
got overcome by fumes(?) or something and got cooked.  Freaking nasty...

Calico, as much as it would hurt - give up the cat to a cat rescue if you
cannot care for it anymore.  Otherwise, enjoy the cat and give it love and a
home.  You got to do what you got to do.

Bulldog...
 
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