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tjb - 30 Dec 2006 16:17 GMT
Our cat likes to go outdoors for a few hours a day.  Today, while we were
outside, he wandered straight into the next-door neighbour's garage.  We
then saw the neighbour, who told us that they have been feeding him,
presuming him to be a stray.  The cat is quite fat, even though he doesn't
eat very much, and I suppose that this is at least part of the reason.

On the advice of the vet, we don't keep a collar on him.  She says it's too
dangerous---that even quick-release ones can trap paws and such.

We're going to the vet's in a few weeks anyway, so we'll ask about this
when we're there, but for the time being, can anyone give advice here?
Obviously we could ask our neighbour to stop feeding him, but other
neighbours could be feeding him as well, especially since he doesn't have a
collar.
Calico - 30 Dec 2006 16:30 GMT
> Our cat likes to go outdoors for a few hours a day.  Today, while we were
> outside, he wandered straight into the next-door neighbour's garage.  We
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> neighbours could be feeding him as well, especially since he doesn't have a
> collar.

Unlike dogs, cat's don't over-eat so I wouldn't worry about it unless
you don't like the idea of your neigbours cosying up to your cat. There
will be no complaints from puss that's for sure.
Rhonda - 30 Dec 2006 17:11 GMT
> Unlike dogs, cat's don't over-eat so I wouldn't worry about it unless
> you don't like the idea of your neigbours cosying up to your cat.

Wow, who told you that? You are talking about domestic cats, right? Cats
DO overeat and become quite fat. I once saw a cat that looked like a
basketball -- it could hardly walk.

The ratio of diabetic cats are higher than humans now, and one trigger
is being overweight.

Rhonda
Barnabas Collins - 30 Dec 2006 19:13 GMT
>> Unlike dogs, cat's don't over-eat so I wouldn't worry about it unless
>> you don't like the idea of your neigbours cosying up to your cat.
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>
>Rhonda
Keith Olberman (MSNBC) had video of an overweight cat
that weighed in at 45 pounds.   He also had one that
weighed in at 35 pounds.
William Graham - 30 Dec 2006 22:03 GMT
>>> Unlike dogs, cat's don't over-eat so I wouldn't worry about it unless
>>> you don't like the idea of your neigbours cosying up to your cat.
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> that weighed in at 45 pounds.   He also had one that
> weighed in at 35 pounds.

This is usual for cats who have nothing else to do but eat, and who have an
infinite supply of food....My four cats are outside cats, and they have lots
of other things to do besides eat.....They are all overweight, but not
grossly so.......They weigh about 10 lbs each....Interestingly the feral
male is the lightest one.....He is about 6 lbs, and is about 6 or 7 years
old......
Calico - 31 Dec 2006 01:39 GMT
> > Unlike dogs, cat's don't over-eat so I wouldn't worry about it unless
> > you don't like the idea of your neigbours cosying up to your cat.
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>
> Rhonda

Well, I mean, that a cat, most cats, won't over-eat in the same way as
dogs will. Dogs have been known to eat themselves to the point of
death! Sure a cat will get fat if you constantly stick food in its face
and it never gets out (although my cat lives inside, ALWAYS has food in
her dish, and just snacks......) but this cat obviously has an outdoor
existence and is just using the neigbour as simply a staff member as
another poster so put it.
Barnabas Collins - 31 Dec 2006 02:43 GMT
>Well, I mean, that a cat, most cats, won't over-eat in the same way as
>dogs will.
Depends on the cat.   I've had cats who apparently were scrounging for
food early on so now they eat everything while they have it available.

My late 19 year old Tom was found in a dumpster, he would eat like
there was no tomorrow.
tjb - 30 Dec 2006 17:27 GMT
> Unlike dogs, cat's don't over-eat so I wouldn't worry about it unless
> you don't like the idea of your neigbours cosying up to your cat. There
> will be no complaints from puss that's for sure.

Well, every so often on a Saturday he'll vomit in our house.  He never has
on any other day though.
Barnabas Collins - 30 Dec 2006 19:12 GMT
>Unlike dogs, cat's don't over-eat so I wouldn't worry about it unless
>you don't like the idea of your neigbours cosying up to your cat. There
>will be no complaints from puss that's for sure.
I have to disagree.  I've had cats who will overeat.....even to the
point of throwing up.

You may need to worry about it....especially if the cat is on a strict
diet where the vet is controlling the quantity eaten.

Also there are neighbors who feed the cat poisons.
(PeteCresswell) - 30 Dec 2006 16:52 GMT
Per tjb:
>We're going to the vet's in a few weeks anyway, so we'll ask about this
>when we're there, but for the time being, can anyone give advice here?
>Obviously we could ask our neighbour to stop feeding him, but other
>neighbours could be feeding him as well, especially since he doesn't have a
>collar.

Cat running loose.... no collar....

Sounds like ours - except that another reason we don't put a collar on it is
that if it attacks somebody we'd rather not have our name on it... -)

At least the neighbors are feeding it and not complaining and/or trying to kill
it.

I'd be glad to be saving money on food and leave it at that.
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tjb - 30 Dec 2006 17:27 GMT
> Cat running loose.... no collar....
>
> Sounds like ours - except that another reason we don't put a collar on it is
> that if it attacks somebody we'd rather not have our name on it... -)

:-D

> I'd be glad to be saving money on food and leave it at that.

I'm a bit concerned that he'll one day decide to move home though; although
I doubt it (he really likes it here).  He's a very friendly cat, with a
real personality.
Barnabas Collins - 30 Dec 2006 19:19 GMT
>I'm a bit concerned that he'll one day decide to move home though; although
>I doubt it (he really likes it here).  He's a very friendly cat, with a
>real personality.
See my previous post on cat law.   Cats often will have several
owners, each of which know nothing about the others, and sometimes
decide  to do things like move to another city.
(PeteCresswell) - 30 Dec 2006 22:48 GMT
Per Barnabas Collins:
> Cats often will have several
>owners, each of which know nothing about the others, and sometimes
>decide  to do things like move to another city.  

Somebody said "Dogs have owners.   Cat have staff."
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Barnabas Collins - 30 Dec 2006 19:19 GMT
>Sounds like ours - except that another reason we don't put a collar on it is
>that if it attacks somebody we'd rather not have our name on it... -)
And if it attacks someone (a child?) you're still just as responsible
even without a collar.   (Also in a number of communities you're
required to have a collar on the cat and have it registered.).

>At least the neighbors are feeding it and not complaining and/or trying to kill
>it.
>
>I'd be glad to be saving money on food and leave it at that.
Except that the food being fed may not be healthy, maybe in
too large a quantity, and maybe making the cat sick.
William Graham - 30 Dec 2006 22:06 GMT
> Per tjb:
>>We're going to the vet's in a few weeks anyway, so we'll ask about this
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>
> I'd be glad to be saving money on food and leave it at that.

All of my neighbors know all of my cats very well. they all have dogs, but
have nothing against my cats, who mainly stay at my place because I don't
own a dog. If any of them get a cat, sooner or later, it will belong to me,
whether I want it or not.......:^)
Fred G. Mackey - 31 Dec 2006 08:03 GMT
> Per tjb:
>
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>
> I'd be glad to be saving money on food and leave it at that.

You've gotta be sh.tting me.  Save money on cat food?  If you care that
little about your pet, you shouldn't own one.

I consider my cat to be family and I spend less money on food for her in
a month than I spend feeding myself most days - and I don't buy the
cheapest food for her either.

And if you let your cat outside without a collar, you're just begging
for some a.sholes like the people on a site someone else posted to "take
care" of your cat for you.
(PeteCresswell) - 31 Dec 2006 13:40 GMT
Per Fred G. Mackey:
>I consider my cat to be family

All-in-all we like our cat, but we consider it to be an animal and not a person.

Dunno what it's IQ is, but I'd bet it's lower than a pig's... and we eat pigs.
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Fred G. Mackey - 31 Dec 2006 17:06 GMT
> Per Fred G. Mackey:
>
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>
> Dunno what it's IQ is, but I'd bet it's lower than a pig's... and we eat pigs.

For me, the difference is not IQ.  If you had a child who was mentally
retarded, you wouldn't consider him or her less of a family member,
would you?
(PeteCresswell) - 31 Dec 2006 18:23 GMT
Per Fred G. Mackey:
>For me, the difference is not IQ.  If you had a child who was mentally
>retarded, you wouldn't consider him or her less of a family member,
>would you?

Good point.
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Rhonda - 31 Dec 2006 19:23 GMT
>> Per Fred G. Mackey:
>>
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> retarded, you wouldn't consider him or her less of a family member,
> would you?

IQ is a test that is set up only for humans. How can we judge animals by
that?

They probably think we are the dumbest things in the world -- not being
able to smell the mouse in the basement, not being able to see the dog
running across the street in the dark, watching us run around like
chickens worrying about every little thing that could happen while they
take a nap in the sun. Who's the smart one?

Rhonda
Rhonda - 30 Dec 2006 17:13 GMT
I think you only have two choices. You either tell the neighbors not to
feed your cat or you keep your cat indoors. The safest would be the
indoors route because even if you tell one set of neighbors, your cat
will eat garbage or whatever else it finds outside.

Rhonda

> Our cat likes to go outdoors for a few hours a day.  Today, while we were
> outside, he wandered straight into the next-door neighbour's garage.  We
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> neighbours could be feeding him as well, especially since he doesn't have a
> collar.
tjb - 30 Dec 2006 17:28 GMT
> I think you only have two choices. You either tell the neighbors not to
> feed your cat or you keep your cat indoors. The safest would be the
> indoors route because even if you tell one set of neighbors, your cat
> will eat garbage or whatever else it finds outside.

Yes, we'll have to tell the neighbours.  It just concerns me that he'll go
to yet another neighbour though.

As for keeping him inside, that's not really possible with this cat.  He
simply /must/ go outside for at least a few hours a day.  We've had to keep
him inside for a period of time before---like when he came back after being
neutered---and he was absolutely desperate to get out.
Rhonda - 31 Dec 2006 19:27 GMT
> As for keeping him inside, that's not really possible with this cat.  He
> simply /must/ go outside for at least a few hours a day.  

It is possible to keep any cat inside, just like it's possible to keep a
child inside that MUST go out.

We've taken in strays that lived outside and they adjusted to life
inside. It just took time and patience on our part. We couldn't cave in
the minute they meowed at the door.

> We've had to keep
> him inside for a period of time before---like when he came back after being
> neutered---and he was absolutely desperate to get out.

Yes, they get desperate and will try anything to get you to cave in --
even the most pitiful, heartfelt cries you've ever heard.

You will be the one to decide, not the cat, and you know the
consequences good and bad.

Rhonda
Barnabas Collins - 30 Dec 2006 19:07 GMT
>Our cat likes to go outdoors for a few hours a day.  Today, while we were
>outside, he wandered straight into the next-door neighbour's garage.  We
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>neighbours could be feeding him as well, especially since he doesn't have a
>collar.

This is a grey area in the law.    Lawyers will tell you dog law is
very straight forward, cat law on the other hand is full of vagueries.
A cat for examplt may have 2-4 "owners" none of whom know about the
other.  And with no collar or other indication of ownership the courts
may uphold the right of the neighbor to feed it.  After all the cat
has left your property.

The best way to handle it?  Keep your cat inside your house.
For all you know if this neighbor doesn't feed the cat six other
neighbors could be.
Roberta Bagshaw - 31 Dec 2006 23:35 GMT
How nice that you have such a great neighbour!...... if I were you I'd count
my blessings.  Your cat obviously has a self-confident and friendly nature,
and is quite an ambassador for friendly neighbourhood relations!  And your
neighbour could be someone who just loves to feed animals!

I wouldn't worry too much about your cat's size.  Regardless of what we have
shoved down our throats (hey! that's a pun!) by the "dieting industry",
being so-called "overweight" (I'm not talking about obesity here)  does not
always equate with being unhealthy!   Personally I am what could be
considered to be overweight, yet I am very healthy.... with normal blood
pressure and blood cholesterol, blood sugar etc.  I walk my dog for at least
30 minutes every day, and get a reasonable amount of activity by doing
housework, gardening etc.  My mother who was a very healthy, (although
rotund) little woman, lived to the age of 96.... and was by modern standards
considered to be overweight!  One of the clues to maintaining good health
seems to lie in activity.... and what goes for humans can usually also apply
to animal health.

If your cat gets a reasonable amount of activity, and you want to ensure
that he remains healthy, then perhaps you can replace his biscuits (if he
eats cat biscuits) with lower calorie biscuits.  And perhaps reduce his food
portions to slightly smaller to compensate for what he may be cadging off
your neighbour!

My 2 cats are confined to the house from about mid afternoon each day until
the following morning, and they both spend about 5 or 6 hours outside each
day.  I have collars on both my cats, but always make sure they have an
elastic insert and that it is fastened so that it can slip off over their
heads quite easily should they become caught.  In fact, my older cat Rosie
(who is also a visitor to several neighbours) came home without her collar
just yesterday!  At first I was peeved because it meant that her engraved
disc with her name and phone number were also lost, but then, on
consideration I felt happy about the way that she was able to leave her
collar behind and not become entangled.  Just make sure that the collar has
an elastic insert and that it is loose enough to slip up over her head (and
don't invest in expensive name tags!... choose the cheap ones!)

Cheers
~Roberta~

> Our cat likes to go outdoors for a few hours a day.  Today, while we were
> outside, he wandered straight into the next-door neighbour's garage.  We
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> a
> collar.

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