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Mad Dog anti EU - 18 Dec 2006 21:23 GMT
I got my mother a 12 week old kitten 2 weeks ago, this morning she was in a
panic because he got out.  He went into the neibours and came back in.
Where my mother lives it is very quiet and little traffic on the roads and
lot of grassed areas.  I personally do not like letting kittens out until
they have been castrated.

I don't suppose it would be such a big deal if he went out for a short while
would it.

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Matthew - 18 Dec 2006 21:33 GMT
Does he have all his shots  if not than contact with any other cat could
really cause a problem  and 12 weeks is really young to be unsupervised IMO

>I got my mother a 12 week old kitten 2 weeks ago, this morning she was in a
>panic because he got out.  He went into the neibours and came back in.
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> I don't suppose it would be such a big deal if he went out for a short
> while would it.
Mad Dog anti EU - 19 Dec 2006 19:49 GMT
| | Does he have all his shots  if not than contact with
| | any other cat could really cause a problem  and 12
| | weeks is really young to be unsupervised IMO

He will be staying in as you suggest, my only concern is if he should sneak
out through a door or window.  My mother was in a panic the other day, and
lives 14 miles up the road from me.

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Ivor Jones - 19 Dec 2006 02:04 GMT
> I got my mother a 12 week old kitten 2 weeks ago, this
> morning she was in a panic because he got out.  He went
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I don't suppose it would be such a big deal if he went
> out for a short while would it.

Are you in the UK..? I volunteer for Cats Protection (see www.cats.org.uk)
and we have lots of advice on all aspects of cat care, there are several
about different topics that you can download, this is the one about caring
for a new cat or kitten:

http://www.cats.org.uk/catcare/leaflets/630_your_new_cat_or_kitten.pdf

It's a PDF file so you'll need the Adobe Acrobat reader.

You should really wait a minimum of 3 to 4 weeks before letting a cat out,
and go with him to supervise for the first few trips, so he knows "his"
garden thoroughly.

Also, make sure he's microchipped (all cats homed from CP are chipped
before they leave).

Hope this helps,

Ivor
Mad Dog anti EU - 19 Dec 2006 19:45 GMT
| | "Mad Dog anti EU" <anthonybaldone@hotmail.com> wrote in
| | message news:JFDhh.21224$n36.13147@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net
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| |
| | Ivor

Many thanks Ivor I will take a good look at it later, my mother will keep
him in until he has been vaccinated and had his operation when he is a good
bit older.  My concern is that he should sneak out and she won't be quick
enough to catch him.  He slipped out the other morning and went through the
neighbors fence, but he came back in 2 minutes later of his own accord.

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~*Connie*~ - 19 Dec 2006 02:28 GMT
ok, let me be the one to say that you could consider keeping the kitty as an
indoor only cat.  it greatly reduces the risk of injury or death.  Even in
the UK there are still risks to an outdoor cat that indoor cats are never
exposed to.  Also being indoor only you are better able to monitor input and
output, the first signs that something is wrong and a vet visit is in order.

I have six cats all indoors, and they are happy and active and my furniture
is all in one piece.  i provide them with scratching posts and places to
climb, and lots of activities.

>I got my mother a 12 week old kitten 2 weeks ago, this morning she was in a
>panic because he got out.  He went into the neibours and came back in.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I don't suppose it would be such a big deal if he went out for a short
> while would it.
Mad Dog anti EU - 19 Dec 2006 19:53 GMT
| | ok, let me be the one to say that you could consider
| | keeping the kitty as an indoor only cat.  it greatly
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| | them with scratching posts and places to climb, and
| | lots of activities.

My neigbour bought a Siamese last week and he will be kept inside like your
cat's.  One of my cat's has decided that she does not want to go out
anymore, and my other cat only goes out for a short while at night.  He
never goes further than the garden.

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Professor - 19 Dec 2006 14:30 GMT
>I got my mother a 12 week old kitten 2 weeks ago, this morning she was in a
>panic because he got out.  He went into the neibours and came back in.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I don't suppose it would be such a big deal if he went out for a short
> while would it.

You seem to be anxious to have your kitten meet a grizzly end.  A lot can
happen to a cat outside, most of it bad.  Your screenname indicates you're
not too bright and unlikely to accept good advice anyway.
Mad Dog anti EU - 19 Dec 2006 19:41 GMT
| | "Mad Dog anti EU" <anthonybaldone@hotmail.com> wrote in
| | message
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| | of it bad.  Your screenname indicates you're not too
| | bright and unlikely to accept good advice anyway.

He will be kept in, I am talking about if he should happen to get out.

OK, take your sanctimonious comments and shove them up your arse you piss
ant.

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Professor - 19 Dec 2006 19:46 GMT
> | | "Mad Dog anti EU" <anthonybaldone@hotmail.com> wrote in
> | | message
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> OK, take your sanctimonious comments and shove them up your arse you piss
> ant.

I looked you up.  You're a w.nker, and Arsenal is shite.
Ivor Jones - 20 Dec 2006 00:33 GMT
> > > "Mad Dog anti EU" <anthonybaldone@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > in message
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> He will be kept in, I am talking about if he should
> happen to get out.

He will be perfectly fine if he's allowed out once he's older. Not
everyone lives in the US where it seems that cat torturers and maimers
live on every street corner. I have had cats for 30+ years and all have
been indoor/outdoor cats. None have come to this grizzly end you foresee.

> OK, take your sanctimonious comments and shove them up
> your arse you piss ant.

My thoughts exactly.

Ivor
William Graham - 20 Dec 2006 00:51 GMT
> He will be perfectly fine if he's allowed out once he's older. Not
> everyone lives in the US where it seems that cat torturers and maimers
> live on every street corner. I have had cats for 30+ years and all have
> been indoor/outdoor cats. None have come to this grizzly end you foresee.

If you spay/neuter your cats, they won't wander very far. Ours seldom leave
my property, except to go to the mailbox and visit with the neighbors.....My
wife and I are comfortable with the knowledge that were we to die in a car
crash or something, every one of our cats would be taken in and fed by our
neighbors.......One of our former cats, in fact, (she's dead now) came with
the house. She had been abandoned by it's former owners. She lived with us
for years, and died of old age.
William Graham - 19 Dec 2006 22:25 GMT
>>I got my mother a 12 week old kitten 2 weeks ago, this morning she was in
>>a panic because he got out.  He went into the neibours and came back in.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> happen to a cat outside, most of it bad.  Your screenname indicates you're
> not too bright and unlikely to accept good advice anyway.

All of my cats are, and always have been, outside cats. I have never had one
run down, or hurt in any way. Once they learn their territory, and all the
hiding places, they usually survive quite well. Of course, I have always
lived in the suburbs, so they have lots of places to run where there are no
cars. Right now, I live on a cul-de-sac where there is very little traffic,
and we are on the edge of town, and have a 40 acre+ Christmas tree farm
behind us. After a while, the cats learn to stick close to the house, and
they pretty well only go out to go potty. We have a couple who go to the
mailbox and greet everyone on the block every day. They like the security of
knowing that if we disappear, they will still be able to live elsewhere on
the same street. The other two were either feral, or have been abandoned by
their masters in the past, and they know a good thing when they have it, so
they aren't going anywhere. Sure, their are hazards that they wouldn't have
to worry about if they were confined to the house. But life is a hazard, and
the benefits of being able to run free are, (to me at least) well worth the
risks. If you never venture to try anything, you will certainly be very
safe, but you will miss a lot in life, too. Try to remember that we are all
mortal, and will eventually all die. Once dead, we will be gone a long, long
time. Both your cats and yourself might as well enjoy what life you both get
to the fullest for the short time you are here.
-
(Just my two cents)
Professor - 19 Dec 2006 22:44 GMT
>> You seem to be anxious to have your kitten meet a grizzly end.  A lot can
>> happen to a cat outside, most of it bad.  Your screenname indicates
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> short time you are here.
> (Just my two cents)

Once you've had a loved cat die from being left outside unattended you'll
think differently.
William Graham - 19 Dec 2006 23:00 GMT
>>> You seem to be anxious to have your kitten meet a grizzly end.  A lot
>>> can happen to a cat outside, most of it bad.  Your screenname indicates
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Once you've had a loved cat die from being left outside unattended you'll
> think differently.

That may well be, but my cats aren't, "Left outside unattended". They have a
cat door in the front through the garage, and one in the back, in the
sliding glass door of the bedroom....They are free to come and go anytime,
through either entrance. There are a few problems. Sometimes they have been
known to bring home strays, or neighbor's cats. and the mother raccoon has
been known to shove her kittens through the bedroom cat door in order to let
them eat the cat food kibbles. but, in general, it works out pretty
well......If I lived in an apartment in the big city, I might not do this.
but then, I probably wouldn't own pets at all were that the case. The
apartment buildings in New York are, however, full of "outside cats". they
can be seen sunning themselves on the fire escapes and roofs of the
buildings in the Summertime.
LMadigan@hhnt.nhs.uk - 19 Dec 2006 23:40 GMT
> Once you've had a loved cat die from being left outside unattended you'll
> think differently.

Just a few weeks ago I saw a lovely little black and white cat (with
amazing orange eyes) running with her back legs useless after being hit
by a car. If she made it it's because the other person who saw her was
a volunteer for cat rescue and expertly organised a vet and moved her
without any trauma...

A friend of mine had a neighbour put down poison (He boasted about it
until the police came then denied it all and the police didn't feel it
could be taken further) and saw her two 8 month old siblings..one dead
on her doorstep and one dead by the time he was got to the vet

My girls are indoor...after reading the above need you ask why?

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
James - 07 Jan 2007 19:44 GMT
> My girls are indoor...after reading the above need you ask why?
>
> Lesley
>
> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

There are a few pet cats roaming the neighborhood and without collars.
Considering how big their territory, it's really a shame to keep them
locked up indoors.

People who think indoor only pets probably have the logic that locking
up all blacks will improve black  life span because they'll have 3
squares, heat, ac and won't get killed by drive by.
Matthew - 07 Jan 2007 20:13 GMT
>> My girls are indoor...after reading the above need you ask why?
>>
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> up all blacks will improve black  life span because they'll have 3
> squares, heat, ac and won't get killed by drive by.

That response is not only one of the most ignorant statements I have read it
borders on racism.

The debate on in or out has been waging for years.  Trying to explain it to
someone is a waste of breath specially when they make comments like yours
James - 07 Jan 2007 21:59 GMT
> That response is not only one of the most ignorant statements I have read it
> borders on racism.
>
> The debate on in or out has been waging for years.  Trying to explain it to
> someone is a waste of breath specially when they make comments like yours

So you think Jessie Jackson is racist.
Matthew - 07 Jan 2007 22:14 GMT
"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com>

Don't think of starting a political debate here  the group will rip you to
shreds
William Graham - 08 Jan 2007 00:41 GMT
> "James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com>
>
> Don't think of starting a political debate here  the group will rip you to
> shreds

Yes.....We have at least ten claws per poster......
William Graham - 08 Jan 2007 00:40 GMT
>>> My girls are indoor...after reading the above need you ask why?
>>>
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> to someone is a waste of breath specially when they make comments like
> yours

If you live in the city, and get a cat from the kitten stage, then keeping
it indoors is fine, and I certainly have nothing against that. But I live in
the suburbs, and I have never raised a cat from kitten stage. All of my cats
have "come to live with me" as it were....Just appeared one day, and like
the cut of my jib, so they came in to stay a while, and never left.....I
can't, (and wouldn't) try to keep these cats locked up in my house.....The
were "born free", and will remain free as long as they live with me......
skinnysteve - 23 Apr 2007 18:09 GMT
>I got my mother a 12 week old kitten 2 weeks ago, this morning she was in a
>panic because he got out.  He went into the neibours and came back in.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>I don't suppose it would be such a big deal if he went out for a short while
>would it.
let him run
 
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