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Cat Forum / General Topics / February 2007Couch Question Cat Incontinence
I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee where she wants. What kind of couch would be better -- leather or fabric? I am starting to loathe the smell of Febreze.  Signaturenimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers >I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee where > she wants. Why? Cats pee inappropriately for a reason. Have you taken any time to discover why she is doing this? >> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >> where she wants. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cats pee inappropriately for a reason. Have you taken any time to > discover why she is doing this? No, none, you stupid bitch. No, I haven't brought her to the vet or gotten new litter boxes or extra litter boxes or tried new food or litter or anything like that. Oh, no. Thanks for your "help." I live in a small NYC apartment with two cats and am trying to make it work. I could give her away or put her down, but instead I am just trying to live with a problem I seem unable to solve, even after trying many different solutions. I am re-arranging my life around my cat, hence the question of what kind of couch would be best. And all I get is snotty, know-it-all comments from a little bitch like you. Thanks. You are almost as much help as the vet -- at least you didn't charge me tons of money. Signaturenimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers > Judy wrote: >>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > you didn't charge me tons of money. > nimue With an attitude like yours at least you won't have to worry about receiving any more suggestions. > No, none, you stupid bitch. No, I haven't brought her to the vet or gotten > new litter boxes or extra litter boxes or tried new food or litter or > anything like that. Oh, no. Thanks for your "help." You didn't give any details of your situation -- like the big detail that you've seen a vet already. I don't think Judy's response was snotty, maybe blunt, but it sounds like you are extremely touchy about the situation. I think you should try another vet. If this is fairly new behavior and the cat is that old, don't give up. There is something going on and it may take another vet brain to find it. What all have they checked? Have them take an x-ray to look for bladder stones (they don't show in normal urine tests.) My vet's tech had a cat with a huge bladder stone but the cat had no crystals in the urine and the Ph check came out normal. They can also see on the x-ray if she has arthritis in her spine, which can make them uncomfortable when they pee and cause behavior problems. There is also a condition called interstitial cystitis. You can read Megan's post about it here: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/070f48d478088997 Good luck. Rhonda >> No, none, you stupid bitch. No, I haven't brought her to the vet or >> gotten new litter boxes or extra litter boxes or tried new food or [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > her spine, which can make them uncomfortable when they pee and cause > behavior problems. Really? She does have arthritis in her hips, but the vet never mentioned that that could be causing the peeing-on-the-couch-and-other-places problem. Could it be, if it's in her hips? Allow me to say that your post is an example of the kind of manners I truly admire and try to emulate (although I clearly don't always). > There is also a condition called interstitial cystitis. You can read > Megan's post about it here: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/070f48d478088997 > Good luck. > > Rhonda Signaturenimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers >>I think you should try another vet. If this is fairly new behavior and >>the cat is that old, don't give up. There is something going on and it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that that could be causing the peeing-on-the-couch-and-other-places problem. > Could it be, if it's in her hips? We had a cat with arthritis in her lower spine, and we didn't know it. She started peeing standing up and it took us a long time to find out it was a back problem. We thought she was doing territorial spraying. She not only peed standing up in the litter box, she did it on whatever wall was closest. If your cat is having trouble squatting because of pain in her hips, she may either be more comfortable peeing on something cushiony, or may associate her pain with the litter box and develop an aversion to it. That arthritis could very well be a problem for her. It wouldn't hurt to talk this all over with a vet and try to help her with her hip pain to see if it will help her habits. Some swear by acupuncture for their arthritic cats, we haven't tried that yet. > Allow me to say that your post is an > example of the kind of manners I truly admire and try to emulate (although I > clearly don't always). Thanks! By the way, last time Abernathy had a bladder infection I covered the couch with cheap plastic (used a shower curtain liner.) I put a blanket on top of that so we weren't sitting on plastic. That may be a short-term solution for you. Good luck, Rhonda >>> I think you should try another vet. If this is fairly new behavior >>> and the cat is that old, don't give up. There is something going on [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If your cat is having trouble squatting because of pain in her hips, > she may either be more comfortable peeing on something cushiony, She does like to pee on soft things -- the couch, my favorite shirt, stuff like that. >or > may associate her pain with the litter box and develop an aversion to > it. That arthritis could very well be a problem for her. I will bring all this up with the vet. > It wouldn't hurt to talk this all over with a vet and try to help her > with her hip pain to see if it will help her habits. Some swear by > acupuncture for their arthritic cats, we haven't tried that yet. Oh, boy. I think she would HATE that. However, this is NYC, so I am sure I could find someone who could do cat acupuncture well. > > Allow me to say that your post is an >> example of the kind of manners I truly admire and try to emulate [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Rhonda Signaturenimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers >> No, none, you stupid bitch. No, I haven't brought her to the vet or >> gotten [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you've seen a vet already. I don't think Judy's response was snotty, maybe > blunt, but it sounds like you are extremely touchy about the situation. It definitely sounds to me as though the OP is extremely touchy. So touchy that the fact that I asked to questions were perceived as "snotty comments." As you said, the OP didn't provide any details. As a result I asked two questions in hope of getting more information so that advice would be offered. But oh no, all I got back was something from a very agitated person. Either that or he/she is a troll. >>> No, none, you stupid bitch. No, I haven't brought her to the vet or >>> gotten [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > that advice would be offered. But oh no, all I got back was something > from a very agitated person. Either that or he/she is a troll. I will look at the accusation that I am touchy if you look at the accusation that what you wrote sounded bitchy. Can you see how <<Have you taken any time to discover why she is doing this?>> might sound like an accusation? Signaturenimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers > I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee where > she wants. What kind of couch would be better -- leather or fabric? I am > starting to loathe the smell of Febreze. Neither leather nor fabric is going to result in livable conditions for you or the cat. I know this is hard, but if you can't solve this issue you need to get rid of the cat. Sorry, just my opinion. >> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >> where [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you need to get rid of the cat. > Sorry, just my opinion. Your uninformed opinion sucks and I hope she yells at you. I suspect her cat's peeing is caused either by the onset of diabetes or from early renal failure, both of which can be treated but it takes some work. It is her crappy attitude that keeps me from wanting to help. Living in NYC doesn't grant her license to be rude. >>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>> where [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > work. It is her crappy attitude that keeps me from wanting to help. > Living in NYC doesn't grant her license to be rude. Ah, but you HAVE helped me, against your desire but not your better judgment. Look, Judy gave a snotty, obnoxious, completely unhelpful answer to my completely innocuous post. That doesn't excuse my rudeness -- and I was rude -- but it explains it. I will bring her back to the vet and ask him to look specifically for those things. She was just there, but maybe he missed them some how. Signaturenimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers You must not be much of a cat lover... >>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>> where [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > crappy attitude that keeps me from wanting to help. Living in NYC doesn't > grant her license to be rude. Oups, answered the wrong post, sorry :-( You are the cat lover, it was the other guy, the one who "sucks" I thought I was posting to, again very sorry about that ! >>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>> where [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > crappy attitude that keeps me from wanting to help. Living in NYC doesn't > grant her license to be rude. >>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>> where [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > crappy attitude that keeps me from wanting to help. Living in NYC doesn't > grant her license to be rude. I was under the impression that this cat had already been to the vet. If the problem isn't curable by this owner, I don't know. What would you recommend, leather or fabric? >>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>> where [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > crappy attitude that keeps me from wanting to help. Living in NYC doesn't > grant her license to be rude. Yes, but all she wanted to know was what kind of couch to buy. - I am from New York too. Buy a naugahide (plastic) covered couch. >>>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to >>>> pee where [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> > Yes, but all she wanted to know was what kind of couch to buy. - That's true -- that IS all I wanted to know. I was happy to get the other information, though, as long as it was given in a helpful, nice way. >I am > from New York too. Buy a naugahide (plastic) covered couch. I can't. I just...can't. Signaturenimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers >> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >> where she wants. What kind of couch would be better -- leather or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I know this is hard, but if you can't solve this issue > you need to get rid of the cat. I won't. I made a commitment to take care of this cat when I first got her from the shelter almost nine years ago. I won't back out now that she is 16 years old and incontinent. I guess I'll just have to live with it and buy another couch when she goes to cat heaven. Since the vet said her health is good, god only knows when that will be. > Sorry, just my opinion. Signaturenimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers Good for you ! >>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>> where she wants. What kind of couch would be better -- leather or [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Sorry, just my opinion. >>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>> where she wants. What kind of couch would be better -- leather or [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > another couch when she goes to cat heaven. Since the vet said her health is > good, god only knows when that will be. I'm not clear on whether you've tried the vet route yet. I was under the impression you had already. If you haven't you should. >>>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>>> where she wants. What kind of couch would be better -- leather or [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > If you haven't you should. I agree. >>>>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>>>> where she wants. What kind of couch would be better -- leather or [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I agree. Yes. And I wouldn't abandon any of my cats because they have become difficult in their old age.....I am getting old myself..........They are my friends, and they are a lot more trustworthy than most of the people I have known...... Not much of a cat lover, are you ? >> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >> where [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sorry, just my opinion. "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic1@peoplepc.com> writes: >>> I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee >>> where [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Sorry, just my opinion. > Not much of a cat lover, are you ? I like cats a lot. I've had one since the 50s. I think there need to be limits. Letting the cat pee where I sit is one of my limits. while I applaud your decision to keep your cat, I have to say your comments to Judy were a little out of line. I check this BB every couple of days, and I have not heard of you having this issue before. A cat who urinates indiscriminately absolutely needs to be seen by a vet, as it goes against the cat's very nature to do so. You made no mention of vet visits or any previous attempts to appease the cat's need to use something other than the litterbox. Your previous posts mention that the cat did go to the vet.. What was checked for? was your sweet kitty checked for a UTI? Was urine collected and tested for infection? Was blood work run? Diabetes, kidney failure and a whole host of other reasons could be causing this. How about x-rays to check for growths, stones, and arthritis, which might make standing in a litterbox painful? Other causes might be a disruption in the house. Did anything change that caused the urination? A new cat, a new roommate, a new chair, a new set of curtains that don't smell quite right to the kitty? Is the box covered. Some cats will develop a fear / dislike of covered boxes. You mentioned trying several different things on this front to appease your kitty, but did you try cat attract litter. A lot of owners have had great success with it.. It is designed for kitties who have stopped using the box for what ever reason, and just continue to do so after the reason is resolved. my 15 yr old kitty stopped standing IN the litterbox to go pee many years ago. I tried everything, tested her for everything, treated her for diabetes (onset was after the peeing started) so I simply adjusted my life to fit her needs, by buying puppy pads or absorbent underpads (for incontinent humans in bed) and put those down where she chooses to pee. Its expensive, but nothing else worked for me.. and Id rather pay a few extra dollars for our peace of mind. >I have finally accepted that my 16 year old cat is just going to pee where > she wants. What kind of couch would be better -- leather or fabric? I am > starting to loathe the smell of Febreze.
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