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SavedByZero - 13 Dec 2006 21:41 GMT
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A friend sent me an Email referencing this Web Site:

 http://chaiokitty.com/index.html

It appears to be legitimate. I understand that feral cats can be a problem that
sometimes has to be dealt with somehow. I don't fault these guys for trying to
do something about the problem. But I'm not sure the cats are _the_ problem and
these guys don't really know what they are shooting...could be someones' pets.

In short, I object to the methods and obvious joy with which these trigger-happy
bozos go about their "hobby". And what they are doing _may_ be illegal in IA.

I'm wondering if someone from IA would be willing to locate the controlling
state agency ( Humane Society may be willing and able to help ) and have these
guys put out of business if possible.

Otherwise, I could just drive out and shoot their dogs--they are pests as well.
Of course, I would not do that, but it would drive home the message.

Thanks,
SBZ
William Graham - 13 Dec 2006 22:00 GMT
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> Thanks,
> SBZ

Shooting domestic animals is illegal in most all states....In some, it is a
felony. You should contact your local police department........
TaliesinSoft - 13 Dec 2006 23:49 GMT
> Shooting domestic animals is illegal in most all states....In some, it is
> a felony. You should contact your local police department........

Is a feral cat a "domestic animal?"

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William Graham - 14 Dec 2006 22:10 GMT
>> Shooting domestic animals is illegal in most all states....In some, it is
>> a felony. You should contact your local police department........
>
> Is a feral cat a "domestic animal?"

Sure.....How do you know whether anyone is feeding it, or caring for it? -
It could be someone's pet. To me, shooting any animal just for sport should
be illegal. If you are hunting for food, well, that's different. But I don't
know anyone who eats stray cats. People who do this are sick. They have a
mental defect, like being unable to place yourself above the earth, with
your head pointing North and read maps. These people are unable to mentally
place themselves in another animals position, and feel the cold and hunger
and danger and suffering they feel trying to survive in a hostile world.
They are probably religious, and think that animals don't have souls, and
therefore God doesn't care about them. But I know that they feel pain just
like anyone else, whether they have "souls" or not. To have compassion for
another creature is a sign of intelligence. If you have it, you should be
using it.
purrr - 14 Dec 2006 23:51 GMT
What you are saying, up to the religious part, is logical and
makes good sense.   However, after that, your thinking gets
convoluted.   Religious & think animals don't have souls?  I
think most rational people would agree animals, in general,
do feel pain.  What's that got to do with religion?  Yes, an
intelligent and rational person should have compassion for
other creatures.   Actually, hunting is a sport and is a *good*
thing, when regulated.  Hunters perform a valuable service by
thinning out certain overpopulated animals.  BTW, since you
introduced "religion,"  I'll assume you are talking about God?
God gave man dominion over all the animals, at least that is
what I found in the Bible.  With that dominion, of course,
comes a great responsibility.   You may have religion and
God confused.  In my case, I avoid All religions.

purrr

> Sure.....How do you know whether anyone is feeding it, or caring for it? -
> It could be someone's pet. To me, shooting any animal just for sport
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> not. To have compassion for another creature is a sign of intelligence. If
> you have it, you should be using it.
William Graham - 15 Dec 2006 00:51 GMT
> What you are saying, up to the religious part, is logical and
> makes good sense.   However, after that, your thinking gets
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>
> purrr

Well, in the development of a logical argument for not mistreating animals,
I not only have to show that they do feel pain, but I have to answer the
question, "So what?"
   In my crude attempt to answer this latter question, I guess I have to
bring religion into it. After all, literaly millions of animals die hideous
deaths every year as a direct result of being born on this earth. So the
question arises, "What difference does a few more make?" As a matter of
fact, one might say, "Since God puts millions of animals through the pain
and suffering of starving and freezing to death every Winter, perhaps He
would be happy to have us help him out, instead of trying to undo His
efforts."
   In my perusal of the Bible (as well as other religious writings) I have
found a great dearth of recommendations for alleviating the pain and
suffering of our fellow creatures on the lower order of life. There is a
great deal of advice about helping one's fellow man, but it would seem that
most Gods don't give a hoot for the animals.
wester@laway.net - 15 Dec 2006 11:57 GMT
> > What you are saying, up to the religious part, is logical and
> > makes good sense.   However, after that, your thinking gets
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> great deal of advice about helping one's fellow man, but it would seem that
> most Gods don't give a hoot for the animals.

Yeah. Typical xtian. gawd loves us all, except the furs. I can't accept
this foolish concept. Yet another reason I can't accept the idea of
gawd.
purrr - 16 Dec 2006 02:26 GMT
>> > What you are saying, up to the religious part, is logical and
>> > makes good sense.   However, after that, your thinking gets
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> this foolish concept. Yet another reason I can't accept the idea of
> gawd.

So says the dipwad on a dial-up account from Orlando.
ROTFLMAO!
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TaliesinSoft - 16 Dec 2006 03:40 GMT
[commenting on whether a feral cat is considered to be a domestic animal]

> How do you know whether anyone is feeding it, or caring for it? - It could be

> someone's pet.

If my dog wanders off my property and onto that of a farmer who raises sheep
and my dog is considered by that farmer to be a threat to those sheep he has
every right to kill it even though it is a pet and not a feral animal. I'll
assume that the same logic would hold if my cat was perceived as a threat to
my neighbors baby chicks.

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William Graham - 16 Dec 2006 06:46 GMT
> [commenting on whether a feral cat is considered to be a domestic animal]
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> to
> my neighbors baby chicks.

That's true, but I would suggest that the farmer wait until at least one of
his sheep was harmed by the dog, and your neighbor should wait until at
least one of the chicks is harmed by the cat, too. Around here, all dogs are
supposed to be leashed by law, but the same does not apply to cats. Cats are
considered a natural outside, wandering species, even if they are pets....We
have all of ours collared and tagged, but the feral cat has some kind of
skin condition, and he tore his collar off scratching, so he went untagged
for several years. Today, he no longer wanders (he is about 10 years old)
and just sleeps by the fire.....He still scratches a lot, but my wife
brushes him and puts an anti-itch medication on him which seems to
work....There is no sense in collaring him, because he never leaves the
property, and he would never allow himself to get close enough to anyone
else for them to read the tag anyway.
 
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