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MoMo - 28 Oct 2006 00:25 GMT Hi everyone. I need to give my cat Clavamox twice a day through a dropper. This is the second time that I am needing to do so, and he absolutely HATES it. I have not have to give it to him for two weeks, but tonight when he saw me with the dropper in my hand he ran and hid. I found him and did my best to hold him and get it in, but I definitely did not nearly get all of it in. This happened last time as well. Does anyone have any ideas or advice on how exactly to give cats medication through a dropper? Am I doing something wrong? The vet told me that I cannot just put it in his food. He just manages to squirm away from me everytime causing the medicine to go everywhere but in his mouth. Thanks in advance for any advice!
Ted Davis - 28 Oct 2006 01:11 GMT >Hi everyone. I need to give my cat Clavamox twice a day through a dropper. >This is the second time that I am needing to do so, and he absolutely HATES [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >manages to squirm away from me everytime causing the medicine to go >everywhere but in his mouth. Thanks in advance for any advice! Droppers are difficult - syringes (no needle) are much easier. The liquid should go into a sort of pocket in the cheek more or less behind the lower teeth.
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Roby - 28 Oct 2006 02:39 GMT >>Hi everyone. I need to give my cat Clavamox twice a day through a >>dropper. This is the second time that I am needing to do so, and he [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > liquid should go into a sort of pocket in the cheek more or less > behind the lower teeth. I agree on the syringe. I preload the syringe and let the contents warm up for a couple of hours. Finally, I have better results if I split up the dose into, say, three squirts with a moment to swallow in between.
After a few days, your cat will probably get accustomed to this pagan ritual. Honest.
While it is best to get all of the dose inside the cat, smearing some on the outside of the cat may have some benefit. a couple of hours
Beth - 28 Oct 2006 20:25 GMT >>Hi everyone. I need to give my cat Clavamox twice a day through a >>dropper. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > liquid should go into a sort of pocket in the cheek more or less > behind the lower teeth. Yep, use a syringe. That's what I used for my cat's pain medication after her spaying. She HATES all things that involve her involuntarily being in my arms. She's the epitome of the independent cat and only comes to cuddle when she wants to. I'd sort of trick her because she LOVES to have her teeth brushed (well, she likes to lick the toothpaste off the brush, which makes the actual brushing difficult) and she likes to have her fur brushed. So, I got her toothbrush and her regular brush out and sat it down on the floor where I usually do those things and I had her medicine ready too. I got her in the tooth brushing position, on a pillow on the floor restrained by my knees, and I gave her her medicine then I brushed her teeth and gave her a good once over with her comb. She was ok. If you have any routines your cat likes, try to give the medicine in a combination with those things. Mine didn't like the medicine, but she was relaxed because she knew her tooth brushing and fur brushing were coming next.
blkcatgal - 28 Oct 2006 04:54 GMT I gave up long ago trying to give my cats liquid meds with a dropper. The med ended up all over and not in my cat. I would much rather give meds in pill form. Do you have better luck pilling your cat? If so, you may want to ask your vet for the clavamox in pill form rather than liquid.
Sue
> Hi everyone. I need to give my cat Clavamox twice a day through a > dropper. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > manages to squirm away from me everytime causing the medicine to go > everywhere but in his mouth. Thanks in advance for any advice! MoMo - 30 Oct 2006 17:46 GMT I have never had to medicate a cat before so I don't know about pilling him. It seems like it would be worse, but like I said, I have never tried it, but I cannot imagine trying to force the pill down his throat if I cannot even squirt some liquid in his mouth. What an experience this is turning into. I have tried putting the Clavamox in food (baby food and tuna juice) to no avail. It's like he knows that it is in there! I don't know how I am going to do this for 3 weeks.
>I gave up long ago trying to give my cats liquid meds with a dropper. The >med ended up all over and not in my cat. I would much rather give meds in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> manages to squirm away from me everytime causing the medicine to go >> everywhere but in his mouth. Thanks in advance for any advice! oldhickory - 30 Oct 2006 21:36 GMT Oh, I FEEL your pain. One of ours is impossible to pill or syringe! We tried everything on Buffy. The doc (who is no spring chicken) said "no problem" I'll show you how to pill her..." and HE was astounded at her ability to avoid medication. He said he'd NEVER seen one like her and said he really hoped she never need medication again.
When we used the syringe she spat it EVERYWHERE (even if we kept her mouth closed for a couple of minutes and stroked her throat) and did the same with pilling.
However, the technique the vet used which ALMOST worked was: Hold the kitty sitting up on the counter top firmly and pull the head back so there is a straight line running down through the nose, down the throat, perpendicular to the countertop. With their mouth open, the pill should drop straight between the back of the throat and the toungue. Just close and hold the mouth closed for a minute or two--maybe longer if yours is that bad, and stroke, stroke, stroke. Unless he's as good as our Buffy at a "Bill the Cat" yaaaakkkking imitation, the pill should go down.
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>I have never had to medicate a cat before so I don't know about pilling >him. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>> manages to squirm away from me everytime causing the medicine to go >>> everywhere but in his mouth. Thanks in advance for any advice! wester@laway.net - 30 Oct 2006 21:42 GMT >I have never had to medicate a cat before so I don't know about pilling him. >It seems like it would be worse, but like I said, I have never tried it, but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >avail. It's like he knows that it is in there! I don't know how I am going >to do this for 3 weeks. If you do go to pill form, try wrapping the pill up in something he likes, like a little piece of cheese or bacon or beef jerky.
MoMo - 30 Oct 2006 21:59 GMT I think that that is what I am going to do. I have to go back to the vet on Friday so my guy can get an x-ray and a urinalysis (and I thought I was having a bad week so far...) and I will ask him for the pill form and try those. WIsh me luck for the rest of the week though!!
>>I have never had to medicate a cat before so I don't know about pilling him. >>It seems like it would be worse, but like I said, I have never tried it, but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >If you do go to pill form, try wrapping the pill up in something he >likes, like a little piece of cheese or bacon or beef jerky. blkcatgal - 31 Oct 2006 05:43 GMT That's a great idea to wrap the pill in something like cheese. There are also vet pharmacies that can compound the med into soft flavored chews (chicken flavor or tuna flavor). You could check that out (vetrxrx.com is one that I used; you'll still need a script from your vet).
Sue
>>I have never had to medicate a cat before so I don't know about pilling >>him. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If you do go to pill form, try wrapping the pill up in something he > likes, like a little piece of cheese or bacon or beef jerky. Ted Davis - 30 Oct 2006 22:04 GMT >I have never had to medicate a cat before so I don't know about pilling him. >It seems like it would be worse, but like I said, I have never tried it, but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >avail. It's like he knows that it is in there! I don't know how I am going >to do this for 3 weeks. Pilling can be dangerous - recent research shows that it is also often ineffective because the pill lodges in the cat's throat.
Antway, here are some step by step instructions on how to give a cat a pill:
1. Pick cat up and cradle it in the crook of your left arm as if holding a baby. Position right forefinger and thumb on either side of cat's mouth and gently apply pressure to cheeks while holding pill in right hand. As cat opens mouth, pop pill into mouth. Allow cat to close mouth and swallow.
2. Retrieve pill from floor and cat from behind sofa. Cradle cat in left arm and repeat process.
3. Retrieve cat from bedroom, and throw soggy pill away.
4. Take new pill from foil wrap, cradle cat in left arm holding rear paws tightly with left hand. Force jaws open and push pill to back of mouth with right forefinger. Hold mouth shut for a count of 10.
5. Retrieve pill from goldfish bowl and cat from top of wardrobe. Call spouse from garden.
6. Kneel on floor with cat wedged firmly between knees, holding front and rear paws. Ignore low growls emitted by cat. Get spouse to hold cat's head firmly with one hand while forcing wooden ruler into mouth. Drop pill down ruler and rub cat's throat vigorously.
7. Retrieve cat from curtain rail, get another pill from foil wrap. Make note to buy new ruler and repair curtains. Carefully sweep shattered figurines from hearth and set to one side for gluing later.
8. Wrap cat in large towel and get spouse to lie on cat with its head just visible from below spouse's armpit. Put pill in end of drinking straw, force cat's mouth open with pencil and blow down drinking straw.
9. Check label to make sure pill not harmful to humans, drink glass of water to take taste away. Apply Band-Aid to spouse's forearm and remove blood from carpet with cold water and soap.
10. Retrieve cat from neighbour's shed. Get another pill. Place cat in cupboard and close door onto neck to leave head showing. Force mouth open with dessert spoon. Flick pill down throat with elastic band.
11. Fetch screwdriver from garage and put door back on hinges. Apply cold compress to cheek and check records for date of last tetanus shot. Throw T-shirt away and fetch new one from bedroom.
12. Ring fire brigade to retrieve cat from tree across the road. Apologise to neighbour who crashed into fence while swerving to avoid cat. Take last pill from foil wrap.
13. Tie cat's front paws to rear paws with garden twine and bind tightly to leg of dining table. Find heavy duty pruning gloves from shed. Force cat's mouth open with small spanner. Push pill into mouth followed by large piece of fillet steak. Hold head vertically and pour a pint of water down throat to wash pill down.
14. Get spouse to drive you to emergency room; sit quietly while doctor stitches fingers and forearm and removes pill remnants from right eye. Stop by furniture shop on way home to order new table.
15. Arrange for vet to make a house call.
16. Get vet to make house call; vet wraps cat in towel, cradles it upside down on one arm, administer pill with other hand and says "There, see how easy that was?"
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MoMo - 31 Oct 2006 15:42 GMT That was fantastic and sad thing is, it is also very true :) Thanks for giving me a laugh through this medicating nightmare!!
I have to say though, he drank the medicine last night in tuna juice and eat most of the baby food I gave him this morning with the Clavamox in it. He may not have eaten all of it, but I am sure that he got more in than if I tried to do it manually.
I was laughing last night though. I was in the kitchen reaching into one of the cabinets and I noticed that there was something white streaked on my coffee pot and I realized that it was a dose of the Clavamox that I thought I had actually gotten into my cat earlier, but, lo and behold, I had managed to squirt it all over the coffee pot instead of in his mouth. I cannot wait until this is over. I am not sure who is more miserable, me or my cat, lol.
>>I have never had to medicate a cat before so I don't know about pilling him. >>It seems like it would be worse, but like I said, I have never tried it, but [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > >(Author unknown). Ted Davis - 01 Nov 2006 02:00 GMT >That was fantastic and sad thing is, it is also very true :) Thanks for >giving me a laugh through this medicating nightmare!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >may not have eaten all of it, but I am sure that he got more in than if I >tried to do it manually. I've done that - it works with some liquids and some pills (crushed), but not all. Actually, I try it first - human grade chunk light tuna in water. They prefer the juice, but the meat helps conceal any texture in the medicine.
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tension_on_the_wire - 09 Nov 2006 07:22 GMT > That was fantastic and sad thing is, it is also very true :) Thanks for > giving me a laugh through this medicating nightmare!! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > squirt it all over the coffee pot instead of in his mouth. I cannot wait > until this is over. I am not sure who is more miserable, me or my cat, lol. Hahahaha, Momo I'm having trouble typing for laughing at the hilarious posts here! 8^P
My Luthien is on hyperthyroid meds for life. The trick, whether you use a pill or a syringe, is to get the thing past where cat's tongue can get to it.
So with a pill, control the jaw, keep it well open (cat upside down on your lap and secure in your arms, left hand (reverse this if you are left-handed) holding upper jaw from above [not by the front, but clawlike from each side, get behind the fangs for best leverage] right hand holding pill in thumb and index finger, use your right middle finger to slowly work into his mouth from the front which he is vicelike trying to keep closed and slowly open to the point where you can get a grip on his lower jaw, behind the fangs so he can't wriggle out of it, with the middle,ring and little fingers...never pull down on the jaw directly, but lever it open). Take your time with this part...it is essential to the success of the procedure and once you are sure you have the jaw secure and open, take a look down there and mark your target. Face up (the cat, not you, heh), neck extended, so that you can literally drop the pill down the long channel you see, not to the back of the throat or on the tongue, but even lower down, way past the tongue.
It takes aim...but once it's there, he can't get at it till you let him close his mouth. When it's done, you immediately and I mean fast, close his mouth and hold it closed around the muzzle without obstructing the nose-breathing. Keep holding it closed while you, or helper strokes the still extended neck at the front, the adam's apple area, so-to-speak, which stimulates swallowing. Keep doing that until you see his little tongue slip out between his closed lips....that means he gave up and swallowed and you can then let go and deal with the righteous anger at that point.
This method has never taken me longer than two minutes if I am careful and deliberate with the initial stage. Don't even try to drop the pill until you are sure of your grip and position. Stop and retry the position until you are sure, and *then* and only then, drop the pill. I have never lost a pill anywhere except down a cat's throat with this method. The only problem is that he is less than enamoured with it, and so the trick is to catch the cat in the first place when he knows what's coming. Don't take the pills out until you have him firmly in your arms.
With a syringe, you don't need to open the mouth so wide, but slip it past the teeth in the side pocket of his cheek, just as if you were putting a little toothbrush back to get the molars. Then put it a little farther. At that point, you can close his mouth as in the above....again, hold it closed, with nose-breathing unobstructed. Obviously it will need to be a small, 1cc syringe, so you might need more than one, depending on the size of the dose. Have them all filled and ready, if necessary. This method generally takes at least three hands, which is why I prefer the pill which can be done single-handedly (well, two hands, but one person). Don't even bother squirting until you are secure in this position. Once the syringe is well-situated at the back of his mouth, squirt, in small amounts, and stroke, watching for that little tongue sign which means he swallowed. Don't want him to choke, so watch for the swallow before you squirt again. If it's coming out the side, the syringe is not far back enough. When it's all gone, release, and run for cover!
The main thing is to watch for that swallow. If you vow never to let go till you see that swallow, you will never have to clean your ceiling again.
I like pills better because if you do it right, the cat never actually tastes it at all, but is only pissed off at the indignity of the process.
--tension
ps. if I am not mistaken, there is a good pictorial demonstration of the pilling method on Phil's maxhouse website, you might want to look if my verbal instructions aren't translating to a picture for you.
MoMo - 09 Nov 2006 14:27 GMT So far, I am having such great results with feeding him baby food with the Clavamox in it. He actually wakes me up in the morning and rushes into the kitchen ahead of me waiting for it and then laps up all of it. You know, I have noticed though that since starting him on the baby food, his coat has gotten so much softer. Maybe it is his winter coat coming in, but the timing makes me think that it is something in the food. I may just continue feeding him the baby food after this is done.
Thanks for everyone's advice and for all of the laughs!
>> That was fantastic and sad thing is, it is also very true :) Thanks for >> giving me a laugh through this medicating nightmare!! [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] >my verbal instructions aren't translating to a >picture for you. Bandit - 08 Nov 2006 01:43 GMT > Hi everyone. I need to give my cat Clavamox twice a day through a dropper.
Same principle as a pill . . . easy !
1. Pick cat up and cradle it in the crook of your left arm as if holding a baby. Position right fore-finger and thumb on either side of cat's mouth and gently apply pressure to cheeks while holding pill in right hand. As cat opens mouth pop pill into mouth. Allow cat to close mouth and swallow.
2. Retrieve pill from floor and cat from behind sofa. Cradle cat in left arm and repeat process.
3. Retrieve cat from bedroom, and throw soggy pill away.
4. Take new pill from foil wrap, cradle cat in left arm, holding rear paws tightly with left hand. Force jaws open and push pill to back of mouth with right fore-finger. Hold mouth shut for a count of ten. Retrieve pill from goldfish bowl and cat from top of wardrobe. Call spouse from garden.
5. Kneel on floor with cat wedged firmly between knees, hold front and rear paws. Ignore low growls emitted by cat. Get spouse to hold head firmly with one hand while forcing wooden ruler into mouth. Drop pill down ruler and rub cat's throat vigorously.
6. Retrieve cat from curtain rail, get another pill from foil wrap. Make note to buy new ruler and repair curtains. Carefully sweep shattered Royal Doulton figures from hearth and set to one side for repair later.
7. Wrap cat in large towel, and get spouse to lie on cat with head just visible from below armpit. Put pill in end of drinking straw, force mouth open with pencil and blow down drinking straw.
8. Check label to make sure pill not harmful to humans, drink glass of water to take taste away. Apply plaster to spouse's forearm and remove blood from carpet with cold water and soap.
9. Retrieve cat from neighbour's shed. Get another pill. Place cat in cupboard and close door onto neck to leave head showing. Force mouth open with dessert spoon. Flick pill down throat with elastic band.
10. Fetch screwdriver from garage and put door back on hinges. Apply cold compress to cheek and check records for date of last tetanus jab. Throw T-shirt away and fetch new one from bedroom. Ring fire brigade to rescue cat from tree across the road. Apologise to neighbour who crashed car into fence while swerving to avoid cat. Take last pill from foil-wrap.
11. Tie cat's front paws to rear paws with garden twine and bind tightly to leg of dining table, find heavy duty pruning gloves from shed, force cats mouth open with small spanner. Push pill into mouth followed by large piece of fillet steak. Hold head vertically and pour a pint of water down throat to wash pill down.
12. Get spouse to drive you to casualty, sit quietly while doctor stitches fingers and forearm and removes pill remnants from right eye. Call a furniture shop on way home to order new table.
13. Arrange for shelter to collect cat and ring local pet shop to see if they have any hamsters.
Elizabeth - 12 Nov 2006 04:28 GMT >Hi everyone. I need to give my cat Clavamox twice a day through a dropper. >This is the second time that I am needing to do so, and he absolutely HATES [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >manages to squirm away from me everytime causing the medicine to go >everywhere but in his mouth. Thanks in advance for any advice! when my cat had an URI i had to give her medicine through a dropper. what i did was hold her in the crook of my arm (the arm i don't write with) and restrained her by facing her in the same direction that i was facing (if that makes sense) and i curled my hand around her chest. Then i filled the dropper, and just motioned it towards her mouth and she would open it and i would have to seize that oppurtunity. it's easy to make sure she gets the medicine if you go for the side of the mouth. good luck! i always felt so bad when i gave it to her. but your cat'll forgive you.
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