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Is it okay to have an outdoor house for cats?

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BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 10 Oct 2006 19:35 GMT
I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
outdoor house away from my house?
Matthew - 10 Oct 2006 19:51 GMT
>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
> outdoor house away from my house?

Ok blue ranger  this is a major debate that goes on constantly in the
newsgroup.

A outside safe area is a good idea to have but consider the following first
Please.

IMO  no outside cats keep them inside  where they can stay safe but that is
my opinion. I live in  Florida and there are way to many dangers out there
for my furballs

To have an outside cat  you need to really consider the options. how is the
area around your home  like next to a major road way, a lot of dogs in your
area.

Is your yard contained where the cat can not climb over the fence  outside
cats roam  quite far up to 10 miles

How are your neighbors and the laws of your area allow free roaming animals

Outside cats have a average life span of 2 to 5 years while an inside cats
have up to 20 or more  average about  15

The vaccines required for an outdoor cat plus the license fee in applicable

The dangers of the outside world such as cars, predators , a@@holes

The free-roaming cat is a magnet for parasites like fleas, ticks, mosquitoes
and other buggy freeloaders,  are deposited in your yard and house when
Kitty comes home. Found in grass, soil, rodents and other kitty hors
d'oeuvres, parasites often transmit or cause dangerous disorders like
tapeworms, anemia, fungal, and heartworm disease.

Cats can be poisoned simply by grooming themselves after walking across
treated lawns. And should Kitty manage to catch that mouse, she may ingest
poison the rodent has already eaten.

read some more at Phil's site http://www.maxshouse.com/outdoor_risks.htm
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 10 Oct 2006 20:02 GMT
> >I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
> > outdoor house away from my house?
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>
> read some more at Phil's site http://www.maxshouse.com/outdoor_risks.htm

It's a temporary thing. My plan was to build a large shed close to my
house and get an indoor cat for to live in .My backyard is safe, no
dogs and not by a highway.
Matthew - 10 Oct 2006 20:14 GMT
Just make sure  the cat can not et out of the yard   and in the outside area
the furball has access to  water  and refugee from the weather.  You can lay
straw down or  have a self heated blanket.  You just have to make sure
insects can not get in so nothing can endanger the furball  such as snake or
poisonous spiders.

Get all the vaccinations done before the furball goes outside and have the
furball neutered/ fixed so no more unwanted kittens come into the world.

Please feel free to ask any question.  Most of us out here will gladly help
you

Good luck

>> >I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
>> > outdoor house away from my house?
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> house and get an indoor cat for to live in .My backyard is safe, no
> dogs and not by a highway.
krazy - 11 Oct 2006 00:21 GMT
>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
> outdoor house away from my house?

I am not going to get into the indoor / outdoor thing even though mine
are all indoor cat.

Just one thing I was wondering and that is why do you want a cat if it
is going to be a completely outdoors cat with it's own house and such?
It sounds like it will be on its own and you will have nothing to do
with it except to see it as you come and go.  Indoor / outdoor I could
see but completely outdoors on its own.  Why???
Ted Davis - 11 Oct 2006 01:39 GMT
>>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
>> outdoor house away from my house?
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>with it except to see it as you come and go.  Indoor / outdoor I could
>see but completely outdoors on its own.  Why???

People sometimes keep outdoor cats for vermin control - generally in a
rural barn/outbuilding context, and usually a semi-feral breeding
population.  Since the cats have access to the buildings they are
protecting, the question of special cat housing doesn't come up.
Occasionally, it's a small population, or even just one queen and her
kittens, and the building is more like a shed - these tend to be more
domesticated than feral (and there is usually a young girl involved in
that).

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krazy - 11 Oct 2006 14:11 GMT
>>>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
>>> outdoor house away from my house?
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>>with it except to see it as you come and go.  Indoor / outdoor I could
>>see but completely outdoors on its own.  Why???

>People sometimes keep outdoor cats for vermin control - generally in a
>rural barn/outbuilding context, and usually a semi-feral breeding
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>domesticated than feral (and there is usually a young girl involved in
>that).

I can see "barn cats" seeing as how I grew up on a farm back in the
40s and we had several cats that lived in the 2 barns we had in which
there were LOTS of vermin as you call them and they did well but this
person sounds like he does not have "outbuildings" for them and is
going to build a small building (Dog house type??) for the cat.
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 11 Oct 2006 15:57 GMT
> >>>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
> >>> outdoor house away from my house?
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> person sounds like he does not have "outbuildings" for them and is
> going to build a small building (Dog house type??) for the cat.

Hopefully i want it to come out like this

http://www.storage-shed.net/images/wood-shed.jpg
Ted Davis - 11 Oct 2006 20:59 GMT
>> >>>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
>> >>> outdoor house away from my house?
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>
>http://www.storage-shed.net/images/wood-shed.jpg

Two of my cats (Avery and Mudpie) were born of an outside queen who
lived - and had her kittens - in a shed smaller than that appears to
be.

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Catjoy - 11 Oct 2006 16:05 GMT
What kind of climate do you live in?  I'm pretty much wondering the same
things as Krazy.  Cats should optimally have more space than an outdoor house
can provide and need interaction with humans or another pet cat.  A kitten in
particular needs a lot of interaction.  Depending on the kind of outdoor
house and eventual 'large' shed you will be building, chance are the cat will
have minimal sunlight, not a good amount of space to roam, and have limited
interaction with yourself or your family.  I don't think it would be fair to
get a cat that is confined to an outdoor shed, if you are to consider the
cat's happiness and well-being.  Please consider the cat's happiness and
comfort in this situation.        

>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a
>outdoor house away from my house?
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 11 Oct 2006 19:34 GMT
> What kind of climate do you live in?  I'm pretty much wondering the same
> things as Krazy.  Cats should optimally have more space than an outdoor house
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> --
> Message posted via http://www.catkb.com

I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction,
the large shed will have lights and heating.
Catjoy - 12 Oct 2006 17:02 GMT
What were some of the specific concerns that you had about this situation
when you posted this question?  Instead of taking guesses about whether it
may be okay to do this in general, people will be able to better address your
concerns and questions if you provide the reasons for this query.

All the best, and let us know.  

>> What kind of climate do you live in?  I'm pretty much wondering the same
>> things as Krazy.  Cats should optimally have more space than an outdoor house
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction,
>the large shed will have lights and heating.
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 12 Oct 2006 17:43 GMT
> What were some of the specific concerns that you had about this situation
> when you posted this question?  Instead of taking guesses about whether it
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> >the large shed will have lights and heating.--
> Message posted via CatKB.comhttp://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cats/200610/1

1. Is it cruel to have a cat in a outdoor house some people say is
wrong
2. Is it hard to raise a kitten?
3. Is a auto litter box safe?
4. How much does it cost for vet shots?

Thanks
krazy - 12 Oct 2006 17:51 GMT
>> What were some of the specific concerns that you had about this situation
>> when you posted this question?  Instead of taking guesses about whether it
>> may be okay to do this in general, people will be able to better address your
>> concerns and questions if you provide the reasons for this query.
>>
>> All the best, and let us know.  

>> >> What kind of climate do you live in?  I'm pretty much wondering the same
>> >> things as Krazy.  Cats should optimally have more space than an outdoor house
>> >[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> >> --
>> >> Message posted viahttp://www.catkb.com

>> >I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction,
>> >the large shed will have lights and heating.--
>> Message posted via CatKB.comhttp://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cats/200610/1

>1. Is it cruel to have a cat in a outdoor house some people say is
>wrong
>2. Is it hard to raise a kitten?
>3. Is a auto litter box safe?
>4. How much does it cost for vet shots?

Sounds more like the kitten will be raising itself!!
Catjoy - 12 Oct 2006 20:21 GMT
I've never tried an automatic litter box myself (I use good ol' arm grease),
so I can't comment on that particular question.  Regarding the prices for
shots, call around your local vet offices for a quote - there are standard
'kitten series' and other shots that are availabe.

I don't think it would be in a kitten's best interest to be kept in an
outdoor house.  Kittens need **A LOT of care and interaction.**  You have
stated that the kitten would receive a lot of interaction, but it would only
be a fraction of the interaction/company he or she would get from living -
with- humans and/or another pet cat.  Kittens need company.  This means not
only a human or another cat actively interacting with it regularly, but also
the presence of another being.  For this reason, some foster homes will adopt
out kittens only in pairs, or if there is another cat at home for interaction
and company.      
Given the reduced interaction/company, less space to roam, and minimal
sunlight, I would strongly suggest you reconsider getting a kitten for an
outdoor house.  I do not think it would be in the kitten's best interest, and
urge you to consider the animal's happiness.  


>> What were some of the specific concerns that you had about this situation
>> when you posted this question?  Instead of taking guesses about whether it
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>
>Thanks
tension_on_the_wire - 13 Oct 2006 06:42 GMT
> >I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction,
> >the large shed will have lights and heating.

Is someone going to be living in that shed *with* this
kitten?  Or is it going to be a large, comfortable cage?

--tension
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 15 Oct 2006 16:11 GMT
On Oct 13, 1:42 am, "tension_on_the_wire" <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > >I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction,
> > >the large shed will have lights and heating.Is someone going to be living in that shed *with* this
> kitten?  Or is it going to be a large, comfortable cage?
>
> --tension

No one will live the shed and no cage.
Darth Breather - 15 Oct 2006 21:04 GMT
> On Oct 13, 1:42 am, "tension_on_the_wire" <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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>
> No one will live the shed and no cage.

at leasyt get two kittens so they have company.
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 15 Oct 2006 22:07 GMT
> > On Oct 13, 1:42 am, "tension_on_the_wire" <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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>
> at leasyt get two kittens so they have company.

I will get two kittens and i will be with them everyday.
tension_on_the_wire - 16 Oct 2006 07:28 GMT
> > at leasyt get two kittens so they have company.
>
> I will get two kittens and i will be with them everyday.

I guess perhaps you get the idea that some of us are
concerned that living in the shed, the kitten(s) might
get very lonely there.  Perhaps it would help if you
could give us some idea of how much time you
would spend with them in there, or are you
perhaps planning to have them with you in the
house but sleep in the shed, or in the house
with you for a few hours and then back in
the shed?  There's a lot of possibilities there
and some of them are potentially not too good
for the kitties if they are to spend too many hours
alone in the shed.  Domestic cats need human
company, or they become feral cats, not used to
or comfortable with human company.  I don't
know if that helps with your original question,
but we would like to help you sort out what
to do to make for happy kitties and happy you  8^)

--tension
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 16 Oct 2006 15:51 GMT
> > > at leasyt get two kittens so they have company.
> >
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>
> --tension

I will spend about 8-10 hours everyday but it might be a little less
because kittens sleep a lot.
Catjoy - 16 Oct 2006 22:52 GMT
How large is this shed going to be (in terms of square footage)?  Just to
inform you, two kittens will need more space than one.  

May I ask what the reason is in the first place that you want or need to keep
any kittens you get in an outhouse and not indoors?  

>> > > at leasyt get two kittens so they have company.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>I will spend about 8-10 hours everyday but it might be a little less
>because kittens sleep a lot.
 
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