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Is it okay to have an outdoor house for cats?
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BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 10 Oct 2006 19:35 GMT I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a outdoor house away from my house?
Matthew - 10 Oct 2006 19:51 GMT >I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a > outdoor house away from my house? Ok blue ranger this is a major debate that goes on constantly in the newsgroup.
A outside safe area is a good idea to have but consider the following first Please.
IMO no outside cats keep them inside where they can stay safe but that is my opinion. I live in Florida and there are way to many dangers out there for my furballs
To have an outside cat you need to really consider the options. how is the area around your home like next to a major road way, a lot of dogs in your area.
Is your yard contained where the cat can not climb over the fence outside cats roam quite far up to 10 miles
How are your neighbors and the laws of your area allow free roaming animals
Outside cats have a average life span of 2 to 5 years while an inside cats have up to 20 or more average about 15
The vaccines required for an outdoor cat plus the license fee in applicable
The dangers of the outside world such as cars, predators , a@@holes
The free-roaming cat is a magnet for parasites like fleas, ticks, mosquitoes and other buggy freeloaders, are deposited in your yard and house when Kitty comes home. Found in grass, soil, rodents and other kitty hors d'oeuvres, parasites often transmit or cause dangerous disorders like tapeworms, anemia, fungal, and heartworm disease.
Cats can be poisoned simply by grooming themselves after walking across treated lawns. And should Kitty manage to catch that mouse, she may ingest poison the rodent has already eaten.
read some more at Phil's site http://www.maxshouse.com/outdoor_risks.htm
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 10 Oct 2006 20:02 GMT > >I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a > > outdoor house away from my house? [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > read some more at Phil's site http://www.maxshouse.com/outdoor_risks.htm It's a temporary thing. My plan was to build a large shed close to my house and get an indoor cat for to live in .My backyard is safe, no dogs and not by a highway.
Matthew - 10 Oct 2006 20:14 GMT Just make sure the cat can not et out of the yard and in the outside area the furball has access to water and refugee from the weather. You can lay straw down or have a self heated blanket. You just have to make sure insects can not get in so nothing can endanger the furball such as snake or poisonous spiders.
Get all the vaccinations done before the furball goes outside and have the furball neutered/ fixed so no more unwanted kittens come into the world.
Please feel free to ask any question. Most of us out here will gladly help you
Good luck
>> >I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a >> > outdoor house away from my house? [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > house and get an indoor cat for to live in .My backyard is safe, no > dogs and not by a highway. krazy - 11 Oct 2006 00:21 GMT >I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a > outdoor house away from my house? I am not going to get into the indoor / outdoor thing even though mine are all indoor cat.
Just one thing I was wondering and that is why do you want a cat if it is going to be a completely outdoors cat with it's own house and such? It sounds like it will be on its own and you will have nothing to do with it except to see it as you come and go. Indoor / outdoor I could see but completely outdoors on its own. Why???
Ted Davis - 11 Oct 2006 01:39 GMT >>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a >> outdoor house away from my house? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >with it except to see it as you come and go. Indoor / outdoor I could >see but completely outdoors on its own. Why??? People sometimes keep outdoor cats for vermin control - generally in a rural barn/outbuilding context, and usually a semi-feral breeding population. Since the cats have access to the buildings they are protecting, the question of special cat housing doesn't come up. Occasionally, it's a small population, or even just one queen and her kittens, and the building is more like a shed - these tend to be more domesticated than feral (and there is usually a young girl involved in that).
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krazy - 11 Oct 2006 14:11 GMT >>>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a >>> outdoor house away from my house? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>with it except to see it as you come and go. Indoor / outdoor I could >>see but completely outdoors on its own. Why???
>People sometimes keep outdoor cats for vermin control - generally in a >rural barn/outbuilding context, and usually a semi-feral breeding [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >domesticated than feral (and there is usually a young girl involved in >that). I can see "barn cats" seeing as how I grew up on a farm back in the 40s and we had several cats that lived in the 2 barns we had in which there were LOTS of vermin as you call them and they did well but this person sounds like he does not have "outbuildings" for them and is going to build a small building (Dog house type??) for the cat.
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 11 Oct 2006 15:57 GMT > >>>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a > >>> outdoor house away from my house? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > person sounds like he does not have "outbuildings" for them and is > going to build a small building (Dog house type??) for the cat. Hopefully i want it to come out like this
http://www.storage-shed.net/images/wood-shed.jpg
Ted Davis - 11 Oct 2006 20:59 GMT >> >>>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a >> >>> outdoor house away from my house? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >http://www.storage-shed.net/images/wood-shed.jpg Two of my cats (Avery and Mudpie) were born of an outside queen who lived - and had her kittens - in a shed smaller than that appears to be.
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Catjoy - 11 Oct 2006 16:05 GMT What kind of climate do you live in? I'm pretty much wondering the same things as Krazy. Cats should optimally have more space than an outdoor house can provide and need interaction with humans or another pet cat. A kitten in particular needs a lot of interaction. Depending on the kind of outdoor house and eventual 'large' shed you will be building, chance are the cat will have minimal sunlight, not a good amount of space to roam, and have limited interaction with yourself or your family. I don't think it would be fair to get a cat that is confined to an outdoor shed, if you are to consider the cat's happiness and well-being. Please consider the cat's happiness and comfort in this situation.
>I want a kitten but i can't have one inside so is it okay to have in a >outdoor house away from my house? BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 11 Oct 2006 19:34 GMT > What kind of climate do you live in? I'm pretty much wondering the same > things as Krazy. Cats should optimally have more space than an outdoor house [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction, the large shed will have lights and heating.
Catjoy - 12 Oct 2006 17:02 GMT What were some of the specific concerns that you had about this situation when you posted this question? Instead of taking guesses about whether it may be okay to do this in general, people will be able to better address your concerns and questions if you provide the reasons for this query.
All the best, and let us know.
>> What kind of climate do you live in? I'm pretty much wondering the same >> things as Krazy. Cats should optimally have more space than an outdoor house [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction, >the large shed will have lights and heating. BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 12 Oct 2006 17:43 GMT > What were some of the specific concerns that you had about this situation > when you posted this question? Instead of taking guesses about whether it [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >the large shed will have lights and heating.-- > Message posted via CatKB.comhttp://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cats/200610/1 1. Is it cruel to have a cat in a outdoor house some people say is wrong 2. Is it hard to raise a kitten? 3. Is a auto litter box safe? 4. How much does it cost for vet shots?
Thanks
krazy - 12 Oct 2006 17:51 GMT >> What were some of the specific concerns that you had about this situation >> when you posted this question? Instead of taking guesses about whether it >> may be okay to do this in general, people will be able to better address your >> concerns and questions if you provide the reasons for this query. >> >> All the best, and let us know.
>> >> What kind of climate do you live in? I'm pretty much wondering the same >> >> things as Krazy. Cats should optimally have more space than an outdoor house >> >[quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> -- >> >> Message posted viahttp://www.catkb.com
>> >I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction, >> >the large shed will have lights and heating.-- >> Message posted via CatKB.comhttp://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cats/200610/1
>1. Is it cruel to have a cat in a outdoor house some people say is >wrong >2. Is it hard to raise a kitten? >3. Is a auto litter box safe? >4. How much does it cost for vet shots? Sounds more like the kitten will be raising itself!!
Catjoy - 12 Oct 2006 20:21 GMT I've never tried an automatic litter box myself (I use good ol' arm grease), so I can't comment on that particular question. Regarding the prices for shots, call around your local vet offices for a quote - there are standard 'kitten series' and other shots that are availabe.
I don't think it would be in a kitten's best interest to be kept in an outdoor house. Kittens need **A LOT of care and interaction.** You have stated that the kitten would receive a lot of interaction, but it would only be a fraction of the interaction/company he or she would get from living - with- humans and/or another pet cat. Kittens need company. This means not only a human or another cat actively interacting with it regularly, but also the presence of another being. For this reason, some foster homes will adopt out kittens only in pairs, or if there is another cat at home for interaction and company. Given the reduced interaction/company, less space to roam, and minimal sunlight, I would strongly suggest you reconsider getting a kitten for an outdoor house. I do not think it would be in the kitten's best interest, and urge you to consider the animal's happiness.
>> What were some of the specific concerns that you had about this situation >> when you posted this question? Instead of taking guesses about whether it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Thanks tension_on_the_wire - 13 Oct 2006 06:42 GMT > >I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction, > >the large shed will have lights and heating. Is someone going to be living in that shed *with* this kitten? Or is it going to be a large, comfortable cage?
--tension
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 15 Oct 2006 16:11 GMT On Oct 13, 1:42 am, "tension_on_the_wire" <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >I Iive in New York City, the cat will have a lot of human interaction, > > >the large shed will have lights and heating.Is someone going to be living in that shed *with* this > kitten? Or is it going to be a large, comfortable cage? > > --tension No one will live the shed and no cage.
Darth Breather - 15 Oct 2006 21:04 GMT > On Oct 13, 1:42 am, "tension_on_the_wire" <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No one will live the shed and no cage. at leasyt get two kittens so they have company.
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 15 Oct 2006 22:07 GMT > > On Oct 13, 1:42 am, "tension_on_the_wire" <tension_at_h...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > at leasyt get two kittens so they have company. I will get two kittens and i will be with them everyday.
tension_on_the_wire - 16 Oct 2006 07:28 GMT > > at leasyt get two kittens so they have company. > > I will get two kittens and i will be with them everyday. I guess perhaps you get the idea that some of us are concerned that living in the shed, the kitten(s) might get very lonely there. Perhaps it would help if you could give us some idea of how much time you would spend with them in there, or are you perhaps planning to have them with you in the house but sleep in the shed, or in the house with you for a few hours and then back in the shed? There's a lot of possibilities there and some of them are potentially not too good for the kitties if they are to spend too many hours alone in the shed. Domestic cats need human company, or they become feral cats, not used to or comfortable with human company. I don't know if that helps with your original question, but we would like to help you sort out what to do to make for happy kitties and happy you 8^)
--tension
BLUERANGER.TMU@gmail.com - 16 Oct 2006 15:51 GMT > > > at leasyt get two kittens so they have company. > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > --tension I will spend about 8-10 hours everyday but it might be a little less because kittens sleep a lot.
Catjoy - 16 Oct 2006 22:52 GMT How large is this shed going to be (in terms of square footage)? Just to inform you, two kittens will need more space than one.
May I ask what the reason is in the first place that you want or need to keep any kittens you get in an outhouse and not indoors?
>> > > at leasyt get two kittens so they have company. >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I will spend about 8-10 hours everyday but it might be a little less >because kittens sleep a lot.
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