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Adopting two six month old kittens

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Brendan - 26 Sep 2006 09:53 GMT
Ok, so I'm married and have settled into my new house and now I want to
get a cat (or two.).

I'm adopting 2 female kittens  who were rescued from a squatter camp
about three months ago (The kittens are six months old now.). The reason
I'm getting two is that my wife and I have 8 to 5 jobs and I want them
to have some company when there is no one at home.

Since they've lived their first 3 months in constant fear (But they have
been given a lot of love at the shelter I'm getting them from.) they are
very skittish and everyone but me wants to adopt friendly cats as
opposed to anti social ones. (Hell, if not liking people means that you
don't deserve the good things in life I wouldn't deserve my beautiful
wife and my own house.)

For the two weeks or so until I get the cats I will be spending half an
hour with them each day in order to do a little bonding.

Anyway now for my question. I haven't owned a cat for about 10 years,
can anyone give me some advice to make things run smoothly. I know that
I need to keep them inside for two or three weeks until they get used to
my house and I plan on feeding them Science Diet food, the shelterwill
spay, innoculate and deworm them for me  so I have all of that covered.

Something that does bother me is house training. Does anyone have any
suggestions?
The Polish-Kraut - 26 Sep 2006 13:32 GMT
>Ok, so I'm married and have settled into my new house and now I want to
>get a cat (or two.).
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>Something that does bother me is house training. Does anyone have any
>suggestions?

First off thanks for taking in these furbabies.  I do not think that
you will regret it.  Just one question - how does your wife feel about
this ??  If she is not really on board for it I would say "Don't do
it" rather then getting them them having to return them later because
of problems.  I see no mention of your wife anywhere in the post other
then you are married.

As for litter training is it possible to keep them locked in the room
where you are going to have their litter box for a day or at least
overnight so there learn where it is going to be??

Don't expect everything to go great right away.  Give them time to get
used to their new home and you.  Don't force yourself on them right
away.

As for letting them outside what kind of area are you in??  Lots of
traffic, rural, wooded, etc.  Will they be safe outside??  I am really
not an outdoor cat person myself.  I have picked up too many dead cats
off the road or had too many put down because of injuries.  Where you
have 2 and if you provide them with thing to keep them busy they
should be great indoors.  I would be too worried about mine if they
went outdoors.

My furbabies

http://members.aol.com/larrystark/
Brendan - 26 Sep 2006 13:46 GMT
>> Ok, so I'm married and have settled into my new house and now I want to
>> get a cat (or two.).
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>
>  http://members.aol.com/larrystark/

My wife is also a cat lover so that shouldn't be a problem.

We live in a walled security complex and the speed limit is 25km/h so we
shouldn't have a problem with traffic. Eventually I'd like to do away
with the litter box and have them go outside. We will isolate them to
the bathroom for a day or two after which we will let them roam around
the house for two or three weeks. After that I definitely want them to
be more outdoor animals (I personally think it is cruel to keep cats
inside. I've always seen them as consumate hunters that need room to do
some roaming.)
tension_on_the_wire - 27 Sep 2006 06:30 GMT
> My wife is also a cat lover so that shouldn't be a problem.
>
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> inside. I've always seen them as consumate hunters that need room to do
> some roaming.)

Hi Brendan

Welcome to the Tao of Meow.  I sense two concerns about
keeping cats indoors for you.  One, is your desire to accomodate
their natural instincts, and two, is your desire to aim for a
litterbox-free house.

One.

No matter how much outdoor cats like to hunt and chase,
keep in mind that they are fully domestic animals as a species
and their hunting instincts are severely curtailed as compared to
a bobcat or lynx.  Indoor cats, who live much longer, if
well-kept and well-loved, never even know what they are missing
and they don't generally pant to get outside at all...after they
become accustomed to indoor life, you will find within a year or
two that you can leave you door wide open and most of them
won't even want to go outside, except for some mild curiosity
about the general environs of the doorway...so they do adjust
very well to indoor life....especially when they are not lonely,
as in your very wise decision to get two of them.  Also, when
cats are spayed, or castrated, there are major behavior changes
in terms of their eventual adult tendencies and many of those
changes will affect their "predatory" nature.  Not in all cases,
of course, and you will learn as they grow just what kind of
temperament you are dealing with.  Some cats *do* just need
to get outside, and you will learn, by the time they are about
a year old, whether either of yours have those tendencies.
For the record, I would *never* let a kitten out of the
house in the first year of his/her life.  He is too small and simply
cannot fend for himself.  That is why they have mothers.  You
have to be their mother, now.  Okay, father.  And so if they
go out, you should go with them.  Just like you would for
your own kids until they are old enough to manage the risks.
Afterwards, when they are older, I go by just how desperate
they seem to be to get out the door every time I open it.

Two.

Litterboxes do not smell when looked after carefully.  It is
usually one of the more distasteful things that new cat owners
want to avoid, but the truth is there are some great products
out there now that can make it easy to keep a cat even
in a tiny studio apartment, if necessary.

There are hooded boxes to prevent scattering of litter.
I find a liberal dosing of baking soda in and around
the area of the box takes care of odors better than
any other products, but there are also nice sprays
and some great new blue crystals (Mineral Blue,
or something like that) that can take care of odor...
so please do not assume that with indoor litter boxes
you will therefore be committing yourself to a smelly house.
Especially if you clean it once every morning
and once every bedtime.

I am not sure if these little points address
your concerns, but hoping they leave you more informed,
anyway, to make your decision, I can say that
whatever you do, I suspect these little gals will reward
you plenty for making their new little lives just delightful!

--tension
Glenn (Christian Mystic) - 17 Dec 2006 20:07 GMT
Excellent post ! Thanx.

>> My wife is also a cat lover so that shouldn't be a problem.
>>
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>
> --tension
Glenn (Christian Mystic) - 17 Dec 2006 18:55 GMT
Agreed :-)

> >Ok, so I'm married and have settled into my new house and now I want to
>>get a cat (or two.).
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>
> http://members.aol.com/larrystark/
The Polish-Kraut - 26 Sep 2006 13:34 GMT
If you let them outdoors I would microchip them or at the least put
breakaway collar with you name and address on it.

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:53:49 +0200, in alt.cats you wrote:

>Ok, so I'm married and have settled into my new house and now I want to
>get a cat (or two.).
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>Something that does bother me is house training. Does anyone have any
>suggestions?

>Ok, so I'm married and have settled into my new house and now I want to
>get a cat (or two.).
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>Something that does bother me is house training. Does anyone have any
>suggestions?
Brendan - 26 Sep 2006 13:46 GMT
> If you let them outdoors I would microchip them or at the least put
> breakaway collar with you name and address on it.
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>> Something that does bother me is house training. Does anyone have any
>> suggestions?

Part of the body corporate rules state that we need to collar them and
have tags made with our name and phone number on them so we will do that.
~*Connie*~ - 27 Sep 2006 00:23 GMT
thank you for adopting the skittish one.

As someone who has tamed skittish cats, I have some experience with this.

Cats are naturally drawn to litter.  Put the litter box down, show them
where it is, and that is that.  If you have a large or multi level house,
you might consider a few extra litter boxes since kittens are a lot like
kids, and will hold off going to the box until it is almost too late.  the
experts recommend 1.5 litter boxes per cat.  Since they are siblings, two
will probably do, but if you have any problems with the cats using the box,
put another one down.  Cats are very clean animals, and do not like having
to walk over their own waste (or someone else's).

Since they are skittish, bring them home and set them up in one room.  Food
as far away from the litter as possible.
When they have calmed down, you can let them explore the  house.  Keep an
eye on them to ensure they don't get lost in the house.

I would suggest that you consider keeping them indoors for longer than two
weeks, or there is a good chance you will loose them.  Something out side
will spook them, and they will get lost.  Microchipping will help, but only
if they find their way to a shelter or vet.   Once they are no longer
freaked out by you, you can try doing supervised visits to the yard.  You
may even want to consider a harness and leash to help them adjust.  Just so
you know, and I probably have no chance of changing your mind, (doesn't mean
I am not going to try) but it is not cruel to keep cats in doors.  I have
six cats, and they all live indoors exclusively, and are happy and
contented.  Being allowed out doors poses all sorts of dangers that being
indoors keeps them from, wild animals, stray dogs, mean kids, cars,
neighbors who put pesticide on their lawn, and just ol plain getting lost
among others.  Cats who live indoors only have a MUCH longer life expectancy
than those who go out. I also find that you are able to form a much closer
bond with your cats if you keep them indoors.  Dont just take my word for
it.  Do some research.  A lot of the 'old wisdom' about keeping cats is very
outdated

Such as food.  Science diet may be the "leading brand" but all that means is
they sell a lot of it, doesn't mean it is any good.  It is full of fillers
and by products that cats can't metabolize.  The experts are coming to the
conclusion that dry food is akin to McDonald's food.  Yes it has nutrients,
but there is so much garbage that goes along for the ride that it is bad for
your cats.  Dry food does NOT help a cat's teeth.  The new recommendations
for food is a high protein low carb food, with out grains.  Check out
http://www.catinfo.org (a website run by a vet)

It might not be a bad idea to get an initial visit with a vet after
adoption.  Yes, I know everything will be covered, but this way the vet will
have records of this, so they can send you reminders to keep their shots up
to date, and if perchance anything bad happens, you won't have to spend time
searching for records.

What ever you decide, I can tell these cats will be loved, which is so much
more than they had, or even had a chance at.  So few people are willing to
take a chance on a skittish cat, much less two of them.

> Ok, so I'm married and have settled into my new house and now I want to
> get a cat (or two.).
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> Something that does bother me is house training. Does anyone have any
> suggestions?
Brendan - 27 Sep 2006 08:07 GMT
> thank you for adopting the skittish one.
>
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> it.  Do some research.  A lot of the 'old wisdom' about keeping cats is very
> outdated

Maybe I'm using the wrong definition of "outdoor cat" but I'm definitely
going to give the cats the option going outdoors if that is something
they want to do. I don't want them to roam but if they do want to play
outside after they are acclimatised (However long that takes.) they will
be welcome to do so.

> Such as food.  Science diet may be the "leading brand" but all that means is
> they sell a lot of it, doesn't mean it is any good.  It is full of fillers
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> to date, and if perchance anything bad happens, you won't have to spend time
> searching for records.

I'll do that, thanks.

> What ever you decide, I can tell these cats will be loved, which is so much
> more than they had, or even had a chance at.  So few people are willing to
> take a chance on a skittish cat, much less two of them.

One of the cats did warm up to me after about 5 minutes of sniffing and
gentle scratching (She pushed her head against my hand and started
purring.) so I know she will warm up to family given time and love, the
other one is a black cat and was much more scared. Since black cats are
used for muti (Traditional medicine/witchcraft.) by the savages around
these parts, especially in places like squatter camps, I'm thinking she
had been a bit traumatized at some point. (Possibly chased and attacked.)

A specific question though. When I introduce them to the isolated room
that is to be their new home for a week or two, do I leave them alone
for a few hours or do I try giving them attention?
tension_on_the_wire - 27 Sep 2006 10:06 GMT
> A specific question though. When I introduce them to the isolated room
> that is to be their new home for a week or two, do I leave them alone
> for a few hours or do I try giving them attention?

Attention.  Lots of making much of them, but read their moods too.
Be in the room, let them decide to come to you.  If the little black
one is too upset or afraid, let her take her time. If the other wants
big hugs and kisses, be there to give her that.  After they are feeling
comfortable with you there to give them courage, let them just
wander the room and explore it like crazy as they will want to do
as soon as they are feeling safe.

--tension
Space - 02 Oct 2006 20:38 GMT
> A specific question though. When I introduce them to the isolated room
> that is to be their new home for a week or two, do I leave them alone
> for a few hours or do I try giving them attention?

I disagree with the isolated room altogether.  I introduced a five month old
cat to my house on Saturday.  I made sure my two cats were locked in the
house (with the freedom to roam from room to room) and then opened the cat
basket.  I was at hand to supervise.  all my cats needed to feel safe and
secure.  I didn't want to risk my other cats feeling jealous of the new
member of the family.

also, my new kitten needed to explore her new surroundings.  she had such
fun running from room to room.

she will be kept indoors for about 6 weeks.  usually I don't use a litter
box.  we live near farmland and we find that the cats prefer to find their
own spots for their business (!).  however I have closed the catflap over to
stop madam from going outdoors.  I let me other two cats outdoors now.  they
now realise there is no threat to the position within the house.  but when
they are indoors they have no choice but use the litter tray.  so far, there
have been no problems.  fortunately the rescue centre use the same litter
(wood pulp).

previously with a kitten (6 weeks old), we strategically placed trays around
the house and then moved them (and also reduced the trays down to one).
this worked out very well.
Glenn (Christian Mystic) - 19 Dec 2006 00:07 GMT
I am a recent returnee to this newsgroup, glad to see the politeness between
disagreeing opinions that didn't exist before. I agree with you about the
indoor vrs. outdoors issue,,,,

> thank you for adopting the skittish one.
>
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>> Something that does bother me is house training. Does anyone have any
>> suggestions?
Space - 02 Oct 2006 20:27 GMT
> Ok, so I'm married and have settled into my new house and now I want to
> get a cat (or two.).
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Something that does bother me is house training. Does anyone have any
> suggestions?

I would suggest leaving a tray in a well sited position and then moving it
gradually to where you want it to be.  if need be, leave them with a choice
of trays.  make sure the litter is kept clean.  ask the centre what type of
litter they use.  if you use the same litter for a short while they will
know exactly where they should be going.     show them the tray as soon as
they come into your house, obviously don't do this if they seems stressed,
but do it as soon as you can.  after feeding, place them in the tray to
reinforce the message (so to speak)
 
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