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Cat Forum / General Topics / September 2006Best kind of floor for cats?
We get quite a bit of urine. And we're going to put down a new floor. A friend recommends against wood or the fake wood floors. My wife wants the tile, I guess it's called ... well the thich hard kind, like mad out of stone. I think sheet vinyl would be the easiest to clean and not absorb odors. Suggestions appreciated. > We get quite a bit of urine. And we're going to put down a new floor. A > friend recommends against wood or the fake wood floors. My wife wants the > tile, I guess it's called ... well the thich hard kind, like mad out of > stone. I think sheet vinyl would be the easiest to clean and not absorb > odors. Suggestions appreciated. We installed down commercial grade tile that they use in hospitals operation rooms they have quite a few colors available we used a white with blue specks in it. Nice when you drop something and it stays pooled and does not get absorbed. If you go with wood you are going to find that the urine can soak thru to underneath and wait to you have to repair it or clean it > > We get quite a bit of urine. And we're going to put down a new floor. A > > friend recommends against wood or the fake wood floors. My wife wants the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If you go with wood you are going to find that the urine can soak thru to > underneath and wait to you have to repair it or clean it You will regret wood, as it will expand and buckle with a lot of wet exposure, and your floor won't be flat anymore. Vinyl will absorb and will stink to high heaven. Don't forget that urine is not just water, but contains many hydrocarbon-type compounds like urea and ammonia that will be compatibly absorbable with vinyl. Ever try to clean out a vinyl bag that kitty has been peeing on? It almost can't be done, even in a washer with laundry detergent. Very difficult to get the smell out. Stone tile is the only one which will not absorb and will respond well to washing, without fear of exposing it to wet urine or water used to wash it constantly. Make sure of a good seal or whatever is used to adjoin the tiles, though, since you don't want urine seeping down to the base floor in which case you will never get the pong out. --tension || Matthew wrote: |||| We get quite a bit of urine. And we're going to put down a new [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] || || --tension Quite right more or less what my friend told me who lay's floors for a living.  Signature"A horse a horse my kingdom for a horse, I haven't had a winner in six months". MD >We get quite a bit of urine. And we're going to put down a new floor. A >friend recommends against wood or the fake wood floors. My wife wants the >tile, I guess it's called ... well the thich hard kind, like mad out of >stone. I think sheet vinyl would be the easiest to clean and not absorb >odors. Suggestions appreciated. I prefer one-piece plastic floors - vinyl is probably the most common, though there are types that are poured in place and epoxy paint-like coverings. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Remove "gearbox.maem" to get real address - that one is dead >>We get quite a bit of urine. And we're going to put down a new floor. A >>friend recommends against wood or the fake wood floors. My wife wants the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > though there are types that are poured in place and epoxy paint-like > coverings. Then you do disagree, that vinyl will absorb urine? >>>We get quite a bit of urine. And we're going to put down a new floor. A >>>friend recommends against wood or the fake wood floors. My wife wants the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Then you do disagree, that vinyl will absorb urine? I don't notice it - my kitchen, mud room and bath rooms have one-piece vinyl floors. The cracks between individual tiles in vinyl tile floors will collect urine and everything else small enough to fit, and are difficult to clean. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Remove "gearbox.maem" to get real address - that one is dead Crummy, old or cheap vinyl will absorb urine, but high quality sheet vinyl with a cleansweep surface will not. A vinyl floor has a sealed surface, different from a vinyl bag or piece of luggage. Our family business is a floorcovering store (in the family since 1982), and I've spent 6 years in feline rescue. I put sheet vinyl in all of the rescue rooms because it was the least expensive, easiest to clean option. Glazed ceramic tile is great, but you have to keep the grout sealed (money and time) regularly. My home is ceramic and porcelain tile, and I love it, but it isn't the only option to consider for cleanliness. Remember that tile/stone/porcelain is porous, and therefore will absorb if it isn't glazed and/or sealed. If your subfloor is already soaked, then whatever you choose, paint the entire subfloor with Kilz before installing your new floor! Maybe once you really get the place cleaned and sealed, you can add a few boxes and get them to use them. If your cats are choosing the floor over the litter, there is a problem somewhere. But that is an entirely different discussion! >>>>We get quite a bit of urine. And we're going to put down a new floor. A >>>>friend recommends against wood or the fake wood floors. My wife wants [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > floors will collect urine and everything else small enough to fit, and > are difficult to clean. > Crummy, old or cheap vinyl will absorb urine, but high quality sheet vinyl > with a cleansweep surface will not. A vinyl floor has a sealed surface, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> floors will collect urine and everything else small enough to fit, and >> are difficult to clean. We've just got too many cats. We have a bunch of cat boxes and there is no serious soaking in, yet. We have a vinyl floor, sheet, with the guarded surface. I still worried about the soaking in and it didn't make sense to me that stone would not soak up urine, when I look at block wall discolored by water sprinklers. Would this sealing work on block walls also? Thanks for the info, everyone. It gives us a choice that will probably make both of us happy. The cats say hi. Well, the block walls are usually concrete or cement, and the tiles are usually ceramic, porcelain, granite, marble, slate, etc. Granite and slate tend to be VERY porous, unless you spend loads of money. Ceramic and porcelain are also porous, but less so and are frequently (even usually) glazed. The grout is very porous. Grout and tile sealers are pretty good, but must be redone frequently. Some sealers are labeled for every couple of years, others require annual reapplication. Good marble is expensive and slippery, so less commonly used. I don't know if it is possible to seal concrete block, but I doubt it. Decent quality sheet vinyl is waterproof, proven by the cases of bathrooms where moisture gets underneath (via the edge), soaks the subfloor and underlayment, then the vinyl molds below the surface. You can see it turn green or blue or even black from above, but the actual surface is unaffected. With sheet vinyl it is important to keep moisture from getting underneath via an edge or all the way below. When you really need sealing, caulk the edges. Make friends with your caulk gun :-) >> Crummy, old or cheap vinyl will absorb urine, but high quality sheet >> vinyl with a cleansweep surface will not. A vinyl floor has a sealed [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > also? Thanks for the info, everyone. It gives us a choice that will > probably make both of us happy. The cats say hi. Oh pshaw, on Wed 13 Sep 2006 07:32:49p, AKA Gray Asphalt meant to say... > We get quite a bit of urine. And we're going to put down a new floor. A > friend recommends against wood or the fake wood floors. My wife wants the > tile, I guess it's called ... well the thich hard kind, like mad out of > stone. I think sheet vinyl would be the easiest to clean and not absorb > odors. Suggestions appreciated. I guess I don't understand. Are you not using litterboxes for your cat(s), or or they simply not using them? We have 5 cats and have absolutely no urine problem relating to our floors. Having said that, ceramic tile would probably be the most imperivous material to urine. Be sure and seal the grout. This is what is most often used in veterinary offices where there are many "accidents". SignatureWayne Boatwright __________________________________________________ Is it ok to use my AM radio after NOON? > Oh pshaw, on Wed 13 Sep 2006 07:32:49p, AKA Gray Asphalt meant to say... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > to urine. Be sure and seal the grout. This is what is most often used in > veterinary offices where there are many "accidents". It's always AM somewhere. Oh pshaw, on Sat 16 Sep 2006 11:16:01p, AKA Gray Asphalt meant to say... >> Is it ok to use my AM radio after NOON? > > It's always AM somewhere. You're confusing fact with humor. :-) Okay, so it wasn't all that funny. SignatureWayne Boatwright __________________________________________________ The three greatest men who ever lived were Eleanor Roosevelt. I thought both lines were funny :-) > Oh pshaw, on Sat 16 Sep 2006 11:16:01p, AKA Gray Asphalt meant to say... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You're confusing fact with humor. :-) Okay, so it wasn't all that funny. Thanks, Andrea. Oh pshaw, on Sun 17 Sep 2006 05:23:08p, Andrea meant to say... > I thought both lines were funny :-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> You're confusing fact with humor. :-) Okay, so it wasn't all that funny. SignatureWayne Boatwright __________________________________________________ Sure I believe in peace. Peace through superior firepower. > Oh pshaw, on Sat 16 Sep 2006 11:16:01p, AKA Gray Asphalt meant to say... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You're confusing fact with humor. :-) Okay, so it wasn't all that funny. No, your post was funny and mine was so wannbe funny that it seemed serious. : -) But like I always say, "If they don't have a sense of humor FM." Oh pshaw, on Sun 17 Sep 2006 08:31:20p, AKA Gray Asphalt meant to say... >> Oh pshaw, on Sat 16 Sep 2006 11:16:01p, AKA Gray Asphalt meant to >> say... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > serious. >: -) But like I always say, "If they don't have a sense of humor FM." It was a good reply. But you're right, some people just don't have a sense of humor. SignatureWayne Boatwright __________________________________________________ Virtue is more to be feared than vice because its excesses are not regulated by conscience. >It was a good reply. But you're right, some people just don't have a sense >of humor. A sense of humor is one thing, outright ignorance is another. Oh pshaw, on Mon 18 Sep 2006 06:43:34a, Barnabas Collins meant to say... >>It was a good reply. But you're right, some people just don't have a >>sense of humor. > > A sense of humor is one thing, outright ignorance is another. LOL! Ignorance has nothing to do with it. You seem determined to make a federal case of this. SignatureWayne Boatwright @¿@¬ _____________________ >> The three greatest men who ever lived were Eleanor >> Roosevelt. As someone old enough to remember Eleanor Roosevelt you want to explain this one? (This should be a real good one..... I want to hear how you explain this insult to her.) Oh pshaw, on Mon 18 Sep 2006 06:42:15a, Barnabas Collins meant to say... >>> The three greatest men who ever lived were Eleanor >>> Roosevelt. > As someone old enough to remember Eleanor Roosevelt you > want to explain this one? (This should be a real good one..... > I want to hear how you explain this insult to her.) Yep, old age. that must be it. SignatureWayne Boatwright @¿@¬ _____________________ >>>> The three greatest men who ever lived were Eleanor >>>> Roosevelt. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Yep, old age. that must be it. Notice the poster won't even try to explain it. Let me guess....it has something to do with Hilary Clinton and your desire to slam her. Barnabus, If you just relax a little, let your hackles down, and smile, you would probably get the joke and wouldn't need it explained. If everyone gets the joke except for you, then it must be YOU missing something, not the teller! Think about it. Don't hurt yourself. "Barnabas Collins" > Notice the poster won't even try to explain it. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- >If you just relax a little, let your hackles down, and smile, you would >probably get the joke and wouldn't need it explained. If everyone gets the >joke except for you, then it must be YOU missing something, not the teller! Yeah i get it. Someone cracks a joke about Ronald/Nancy Reagan and you have a fit and want them in jail for slandering the greatest presdient ever. On the other hand someone cracks a joke about Bill/Hilary Clinton and you want to pass a constitutional amendment guaranteeing their right to slam them. The bottom line: jokes about the Clintons are Ok but don't even dare to make one about the Reagans. Is that your position? Oh dear, Let me give you a hint. Like I said, don't hurt yourself. No one slammed anyone, no one insulted Eleanor, and no one said squat about the Reagans or the Clintons. The only indication to my position that I have provided is that you are a judgemental person, incapable of seeing past your own nose. NOW someone has insulted someone. I am calling you out on your ridiculous attempt to pick fights where there is no fight, and accuse people of things based on your own fabrication of evidence. Good luck making friends. And please, for your sake, please try to think about it one more time... "The three GREATEST men who ever lived were Eleanor Roosevelt." Baby steps, just take baby steps and it will be okay! >>If you just relax a little, let your hackles down, and smile, you would >>probably get the joke and wouldn't need it explained. If everyone gets [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- Andrea don't fall for it that poster and one other always try to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Plus they always turn it political somehow someway as you can see > Oh dear, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > "Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasCollinsonSF@gmail.com> <snipped for being political dribble> Matthew, you are right, don't fall for it. Some people haven't got enough brain power to waste words on and they will NEVER see that they are the only one in the room with a problem, because they ARE the problem. Some grow older and wiser, while others just get old and bitter! Me too. I voted for Clinton twice. > Andrea don't fall for it that poster and one other always try to make a > mountain out of a mole hill. Plus they always turn it political somehow [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > <snipped for being political dribble> >Let me give you a hint. Like I said, don't hurt yourself. No one slammed >anyone, no one insulted >Eleanor, and no one said squat about the Reagans or the Clintons. Let me put it this way. I'm older than dirt, at this ripe old age I know exactly where thet comment was headed. I've been down that road too many times before. I was going to ask how my post about floors found its way to a political statement about Bill Clintion, but I don't want to know because this ia an exception for this ng, unlike so many other where it happens every day, it seems. >>Let me give you a hint. Like I said, don't hurt yourself. No one slammed >>anyone, no one insulted [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- >I was going to ask how my post about floors found its way to a political >statement about Bill Clintion, but I don't want to know because this ia an >exception for this ng, unlike so many other where it happens every day, it >seems. One of the posters had a wise crack about ER, which presumably was a slam at Hilary Clinton. I was only responding to a low blow by another poster. No no no. You are wrong, Barnabus. There was no wise crack, as I'm sure everyone knows except for you. >>I was going to ask how my post about floors found its way to a political >>statement about Bill Clintion, but I don't want to know because this ia an [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- >No no no. You are wrong, Barnabus. There was no wise crack, as I'm sure >everyone knows except for you. Yes there was....go to the original poster who made a crack about ER which was probably a dig at Hilary Clinton. I'm not the one who posted the original slam. No kidding moron. I know you didn't post the original. You also wouldn't take my advice to look at it again, with GIANT hints. Baby steps. Think, dumbass. If the three greatest men who ever lived were eleanor roosevelt, then eleanor roosevelt is greater and more powerful than 3 great men put together. A compliment. Duh. I already know you are a jackass, but you can't really truly be that stupid. You MUST be pretending just to see how many people you can pull into your ridiculous Clinton obsession. Sorry Matthew. What did you say? Something to the effect of "ignore the jackass" in not so many words? I think now is a good time to start taking that advice. >>No no no. You are wrong, Barnabus. There was no wise crack, as I'm sure >>everyone knows except for you. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- > No kidding moron. I know you didn't post the original. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > jackass" in not so many words? I think now is a good time to start taking > that advice. I told you I was not kidding this poster and the other one take it to the extreme. They are fine when the talk about cats both can be knowledgeable and helpful but when they get off the subject of cats. Well you already see what I mean I am beginning to figure out that he's just drunk. No other explanation. Drunk and senile. >> No kidding moron. I know you didn't post the original. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > knowledgeable and helpful but when they get off the subject of cats. > Well you already see what I mean >I am beginning to figure out that he's just drunk. No other explanation. >Drunk and senile. No i'm not drunk. Just sick to death of republicans who forget about stuff like freedom of speech. > I was going to ask how my post about floors found its way to a political > statement about Bill Clintion, but I don't want to know because this ia an > exception for this ng, unlike so many other where it happens every day, it > seems. Perhaps it has something to do with how much piss it takes to make a floor smelly? It didn't take much in *this* thread. 8^P --tension >Good luck making friends. At this point i'm not out to make friends. I'm out to clear up those mistatements made by those who hate anyone associated with Bill Clinton. >>Good luck making friends. > At this point i'm not out to make friends. I'm out to > clear up those mistatements made by those who hate anyone > associated with Bill Clinton. You are out to turn it political any chance you get. And before you say anything I liked Bill Clinton Nancy Reagan's astrologer was the countrys first female president. and Bill Clinton was the first Black President. King George the "Chicken Heart" was the first Royal President. >>>>> The three greatest men who ever lived were Eleanor >>>>> Roosevelt. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- >Nancy Reagan's astrologer was the countrys first female president. and Bill >Clinton was the first Black President. King George the "Chicken Heart" was >the first Royal President. Some would argue Eleanor Roosevelt was our first woman president or even Abigail Adams was our first woman president. I'm going to venture to guess that Mr. Barnabus didn't get the FM joke, either. Otherwise he'd be having a cow right now. "AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message news:CwoPg.3264 > No, your post was funny and mine was so wannbe funny that it seemed > serious. : -) But like I always say, "If they don't have a sense of humor > FM." |
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