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Please help! Sick cat, can't eat :(

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lkeegan@gmail.com - 06 Sep 2006 21:28 GMT
I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten
month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy.
But then he suddenly started having problems: vomiting, diarrhoea, loss
of apetite, loss of weight, dehydration. He kept crying out as if to
tell us something was wrong.

We took Leo to the vet and they kept him in for five days, giving him
water and nutrients intravenously. His temperature is normal but his
breathing sounded chesty. Blood tests showed a high white cell count.
They put him on some antibiotics, thinking he had some kind of stomach
infection. When we brought him home he was frightfully thin. He's been
really out of sorts, hiding away on his own, depressed, not washing
himself. He seems hungry when we try to tempt him with food, but when
he tries to eat his teeth make a horrible grinding sound and the food
just falls back out. Eventually he just gives up eating altogether.
We're really worried about him not eating because he's become really
thin. His teeth have always made this grinding noise in the past (we
assumed he was still teething), but his weight has never been an issue
until now. He's been home from the vets two days now and if anything he
seems worse than he was when he went in, although he is no longer
vomiting or having diarrhoea.

We're going to take him to a different vet tomorrow for a second
opinion. But if anyone can offer some advice I'd really appreciate it.
Could it be a dental problem? Or possibly a viral infection?

Louise
Matthew - 06 Sep 2006 21:54 GMT
I am not a vet  but IMO Yes it sounds like a dental problem  but it is good
that you are taking him to a new vet

Right now  fix him some chicken broth ( no onions)  rice yogurt or pudding
baby food (cat likeable flavor no onions of any type).  At the pet store
they make just gravy you can try to give him some

> I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten
> month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy.
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> Louise
lkeegan@gmail.com - 06 Sep 2006 23:20 GMT
> Right now  fix him some chicken broth ( no onions)  rice yogurt or pudding
> baby food (cat likeable flavor no onions of any type).  At the pet store
> they make just gravy you can try to give him some

Thanks for replying, Matthew. Poor Leo just vomited lots of brown
liquid all over the place, but he seems happier for it :) I'll give his
stomach time to settle down and then try him on some chicken broth like
you suggested.
Rhonda - 07 Sep 2006 05:23 GMT
That's what I thought too -- he's young for dental problems, but maybe
he broke a tooth? Tooth abscesses can be very painful and cause lots of
problems.

I'm glad you're taking him to another vet. Sounds like he needs more
help and the first one was not able to find the problem.

Let us know what happens,

Rhonda

> I am not a vet  but IMO Yes it sounds like a dental problem  but it is good
> that you are taking him to a new vet
>
> Right now  fix him some chicken broth ( no onions)  rice yogurt or pudding
> baby food (cat likeable flavor no onions of any type).  At the pet store
> they make just gravy you can try to give him some
Darryl - 07 Sep 2006 12:42 GMT
Check the inside of his mouth for sores, just went through this with the two
young cats,
Antibiotics cleared it up but mouth sores lasted an extra week.
the old cat (19 y o ) never caught this he was the one I worried about.

Darryl

>I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten
>month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy.
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>Louise
lkeegan@gmail.com - 07 Sep 2006 15:11 GMT
> Check the inside of his mouth for sores, just went through this with the two
> young cats,
> Antibiotics cleared it up but mouth sores lasted an extra week.
> the old cat (19 y o ) never caught this he was the one I worried about.
>
> Darryl

Thanks to everyone for replying. I definitely think there's a problem
with his teeth, but I'm still worried about some of the other problems
he's been having. I was doing some research last night and thought that
maybe Leo had lily poisoning in addition to a dental problem. He has
all the symptoms: vomiting, diarrhoea, lack of appetite, depression,
difficulty breathing etc. Leo likes to sit on some long grass in our
garden, right in front of an orange lily. Plus his brother came in from
the garden the other day covered in the yellow pollen so I'm sure
they've been at the lilies. He could easily have ingested some of the
pollen. I had no idea lilies were so dangerous for cats. A poison makes
more sense than the bacterial infection the vet diagnosed, because Leo
isn't responding to antibiotics and his temperature is normal.

We were so worried having read about how quickly a cat can die from
lily poisoning that we brought him straight back to our old vet this
morning, thinking that with all his test results there, they might be
able to make a diagnosis quicker than a new vet. The vet wasn't all
that familiar with lily poisoning, but he thought it was a definite
possibility. So they've kept Leo in for more tests on his kidneys and
liver. Plus they're going to check for leukaemia virus and FIV. And the
vet said he'd also perform an oral exam.

Hopefully we'll have some answers soon. Poor Leo! :)
Matthew - 07 Sep 2006 15:38 GMT
If your vet has no idea about it call these fold  it cost a little but they
can tell you what to do
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc&JServSessionIdr012=3lbph2
1td2.app26b


Aspca Animal Poison Control Center Hotline
As the premier animal poison control center in North America, the APCC is
your best resource for any animal poison-related emergency, 24 hours a day,
365 days a year. If you think that your pet may have ingested a potentially
poisonous substance, make the call that can make all the difference: (888)
426-4435. A $55 consultation fee may be applied to your credit card.

You described a definite reaction to the plant

Orange Day Lily
Common Name: Orange Day Lily
Scientific Name: Hemorocallis graminea
Family: Liliaceae
Toxic Principle: unknown
Clinical signs: vomiting, inappetence, lethargy, kidney failure, and death
is possible. Cats are only species known to be affected.

http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc_toxic_orangedaylily

>> Check the inside of his mouth for sores, just went through this with the
>> two
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> Hopefully we'll have some answers soon. Poor Leo! :)
katzpajamaz - 07 Sep 2006 18:11 GMT
>http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc&JServSessionIdr012=3lbph2
1td2.app26b

>Aspca Animal Poison Control Center Hotline

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT!  (shouting intended...)
I'm getting ready to plan a garden and landscaping, also will be getting some
houseplants when I move soon.  I had no idea how many are toxic to animals.
This will help a great deal to protect whatever kitties come into my life.
They will be indoor kitties, so that will be safer.  I can definitely control
what is available to them inside.

The neighborhood has just tons of many of those plants listed.  There are
also lots of kitty cats running around that manage to grow to adulthood, so
maybe they don't automatically nibble on the bad things, huh?  

It would be worth posting a separate thread to share strategies for planting
something you really want, in such a  way or place that animals are protected
from it.  What do you think?

Signature

Lifelong Lover of Kitties!!
mg1744 [`at`] hotmail [`dot`] com

Rhonda - 07 Sep 2006 17:36 GMT
Oh boy, lilies are horrible! I know our vet puts up signs about them,
warning even getting the pollen on your fingers and then petting your cat.

Your vet was not familiar with this? I hope he is acting quickly.

Let us know what happens,

Rhonda

> We were so worried having read about how quickly a cat can die from
> lily poisoning that we brought him straight back to our old vet this
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> Hopefully we'll have some answers soon. Poor Leo! :)
Erik - 08 Sep 2006 21:22 GMT
there are lots of possible causes for vomiting, diarrhoea, loss of apetite,
loss of weight, dehydration and crying is also normal in such situation (in
vet-terms called "acute abdomen"), you didn't give him painkillers I hope
(NSAIDS can cause acute abdomen by gastric ulcerations and hematemesis)

most common are of course the gastro-intestinal causes: in stomach:
gastritis (seldom with fever!), ulcers, foreign bodies (hair-balls); in
intestines: obstuction (you can have diarrhea and obstruction in one cat!),
ulcers; pancreas inflammation, peritonitis, splenic torsion, lower urinary
tract obstruction (you cat isn't neutered at very early age I hope?) trauma
or congenital defects leading to organ displacement or entrapment in the
hernia will also lead to abdominal pain if the vascular supply of the organs
involved becomes impaired or ischemic
also dietary intolerance or hypersensitivity, or infectious causes
(panleukopenia, corona, FIP, Salmonella, Campylobacter (can give by the way
hematemesis) clostridium, E.coli,..., parasitic infection, toxins)

risk factors are as usual exposure to NSAIDs or corticosteroid treatment,
garbage or inappropriate food ingestion wich can give pancreatitis, foreign
body ingestion which can give intestinal obstructions

tests that are usefull:
bloodcell count: leukocytosis! (high white bloodcells) are often associated
with inflammation of infection
                         anemia ?: can be seen with gastro-intestinal (GI)
ulceration
azotemia? is associated with prerenal, renal and postrenal causes
elektrolyte abnormalities can help to evaluate GI disease[Cl] and renal
disease [K]
hyperbilirubinemia and elevated hepatic enzymes help localize a problem in
the liver or biliary tract
TLI can be useful in evaluating feline pancreatitis
abdominal radiograph can show abdominal masses or changes in shape or
shifting of abdominal organs, but not all foreign bodies can be seen on
X-Ray; loss of detail is an indication for a peritoneal tap;
abdominocentesis is a necessar test

tell me about the tests that were done yet, so I can maybe help a bit

Erik (the vet-but you should have known that yet, hmm)

> I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten
> month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy.
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>
> Louise
~*Connie*~ - 09 Sep 2006 00:04 GMT
I mentioned to a group of cat lovers that my cat who was vomiting frequently
made the same grinding noise with her teeth when she ate.  Someone mentioned
she was nautious (upset stomach since I KNOW I didn't spell it right)  I
started giving her Pecid AC and it has stopped.

Still haven't figured out why she's loosing weight and WHY she's got an
upset stomach all the time.  Got yet another vet appointment to figure it
out.

> I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten
> month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy.
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>
> Louise
lkeegan@gmail.com - 09 Sep 2006 13:47 GMT
Hi everyone,

Our vet just called to say that Leo has tested faintly positive for
FeLV. It's so faint, however, that it may be a false alarm. They're
going to keep him in for a few more days until the diarrhoea and
vomiting stops. Then we'll take him home. After one month he's to go
back for a repeat of the FeLV test. The vet doesn't know, however, if
this is what is causing his symptoms.

Obviously we're all hoping that it's a mistake, or at least, that he'll
be able to fight it off. We're especially worried because we have three
other cats in the house and we don't want them to catch it too.

It's so frustrating not knowing exactly what is wrong with him. The vet
is still treating this as some kind of stomach infection since Leo's
kidneys and liver are both fine. It it were a case of lily poisoning, I
doubt his kidneys would be in good shape, so that's hopeful. His white
cell count is high. And he's not anaemic.

I'm still waiting to hear about his oral exam. The vet said he'd do
that today.

Louise
Rhonda - 10 Sep 2006 06:35 GMT
> Hi everyone,
>
> Our vet just called to say that Leo has tested faintly positive for
> FeLV. It's so faint, however, that it may be a false alarm.

Good luck to Leo. I hope it is a false alarm and that he's home now and
feeling better.

Rhonda
Outsider - 10 Sep 2006 18:50 GMT
Poor Leo.  

He seems to be going through a lot.  I hope he gets better real soon.

Andy

lkeegan@gmail.com wrote in news:1157806065.784437.132740
@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

> Hi everyone,
>
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>
> Louise
lkeegan@gmail.com - 14 Sep 2006 20:34 GMT
Hi everyone,

Just an update: we moved Leo to a different vet after he became
severely dehydrated and it was definitely the right decision. Our new
vet is wonderful. She immediately noticed that Leo's bowels were
inflamed, took an X-ray and then took biopsies from his intestines.
While performing the biopsy, she discovered that his intestines had an
interception (sp?). As I understand it, the walls of part of the
intestinal tract closed in, making it difficult for the digested food
to move through. There was also a large infection in place, due to the
build-up of white blood cells. The vet removed the damaged section of
the intestines and is treating Leo with antibiotics and steroids. He's
very weak after the operation, but our vet is quietly optimistic that
he'll recover.

I've learned so much from this, but mainly I've learned that if you
have doubts about your veterinarian, trust your instincts and find a
new one. If we hadn't moved Leo when we did, he'd probably have died.
At least now he has a fighting chance.

The next 24 hours will be crucial. If his intestines hold up tomorrow
with a little food, he'll probably make it.

Thank you to everyone who replied!

Louise
wester@laway.net - 15 Sep 2006 01:10 GMT
>Hi everyone,
>
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>
>Louise

Dear Louise:

I hope Leo is feeling better already! Let us know, K?
Rhonda - 15 Sep 2006 07:22 GMT
Our cat just had her whole large intestine (colon) removed this summer.
It was quite an ordeal.

Keep an eye on your cat's hydration.

Good luck to Leo, I hope things go very well for him and he recuperates
quickly!

Rhonda

> Hi everyone,
>
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>
> Louise
Outsider - 15 Sep 2006 21:51 GMT
lkeegan@gmail.com wrote in news:1158262466.384108.132510
@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> Hi everyone,
>
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>
> Louise

Trust your instincts
Trust your instincts
Trust your instincts
Trust your instincts

No better advice.  I hope Leo pulls through.

Andy
 
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