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lkeegan@gmail.com - 06 Sep 2006 21:28 GMT I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy. But then he suddenly started having problems: vomiting, diarrhoea, loss of apetite, loss of weight, dehydration. He kept crying out as if to tell us something was wrong.
We took Leo to the vet and they kept him in for five days, giving him water and nutrients intravenously. His temperature is normal but his breathing sounded chesty. Blood tests showed a high white cell count. They put him on some antibiotics, thinking he had some kind of stomach infection. When we brought him home he was frightfully thin. He's been really out of sorts, hiding away on his own, depressed, not washing himself. He seems hungry when we try to tempt him with food, but when he tries to eat his teeth make a horrible grinding sound and the food just falls back out. Eventually he just gives up eating altogether. We're really worried about him not eating because he's become really thin. His teeth have always made this grinding noise in the past (we assumed he was still teething), but his weight has never been an issue until now. He's been home from the vets two days now and if anything he seems worse than he was when he went in, although he is no longer vomiting or having diarrhoea.
We're going to take him to a different vet tomorrow for a second opinion. But if anyone can offer some advice I'd really appreciate it. Could it be a dental problem? Or possibly a viral infection?
Louise
Matthew - 06 Sep 2006 21:54 GMT I am not a vet but IMO Yes it sounds like a dental problem but it is good that you are taking him to a new vet
Right now fix him some chicken broth ( no onions) rice yogurt or pudding baby food (cat likeable flavor no onions of any type). At the pet store they make just gravy you can try to give him some
> I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten > month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Louise lkeegan@gmail.com - 06 Sep 2006 23:20 GMT > Right now fix him some chicken broth ( no onions) rice yogurt or pudding > baby food (cat likeable flavor no onions of any type). At the pet store > they make just gravy you can try to give him some Thanks for replying, Matthew. Poor Leo just vomited lots of brown liquid all over the place, but he seems happier for it :) I'll give his stomach time to settle down and then try him on some chicken broth like you suggested.
Rhonda - 07 Sep 2006 05:23 GMT That's what I thought too -- he's young for dental problems, but maybe he broke a tooth? Tooth abscesses can be very painful and cause lots of problems.
I'm glad you're taking him to another vet. Sounds like he needs more help and the first one was not able to find the problem.
Let us know what happens,
Rhonda
> I am not a vet but IMO Yes it sounds like a dental problem but it is good > that you are taking him to a new vet > > Right now fix him some chicken broth ( no onions) rice yogurt or pudding > baby food (cat likeable flavor no onions of any type). At the pet store > they make just gravy you can try to give him some Darryl - 07 Sep 2006 12:42 GMT Check the inside of his mouth for sores, just went through this with the two young cats, Antibiotics cleared it up but mouth sores lasted an extra week. the old cat (19 y o ) never caught this he was the one I worried about.
Darryl
>I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten >month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Louise lkeegan@gmail.com - 07 Sep 2006 15:11 GMT > Check the inside of his mouth for sores, just went through this with the two > young cats, > Antibiotics cleared it up but mouth sores lasted an extra week. > the old cat (19 y o ) never caught this he was the one I worried about. > > Darryl Thanks to everyone for replying. I definitely think there's a problem with his teeth, but I'm still worried about some of the other problems he's been having. I was doing some research last night and thought that maybe Leo had lily poisoning in addition to a dental problem. He has all the symptoms: vomiting, diarrhoea, lack of appetite, depression, difficulty breathing etc. Leo likes to sit on some long grass in our garden, right in front of an orange lily. Plus his brother came in from the garden the other day covered in the yellow pollen so I'm sure they've been at the lilies. He could easily have ingested some of the pollen. I had no idea lilies were so dangerous for cats. A poison makes more sense than the bacterial infection the vet diagnosed, because Leo isn't responding to antibiotics and his temperature is normal.
We were so worried having read about how quickly a cat can die from lily poisoning that we brought him straight back to our old vet this morning, thinking that with all his test results there, they might be able to make a diagnosis quicker than a new vet. The vet wasn't all that familiar with lily poisoning, but he thought it was a definite possibility. So they've kept Leo in for more tests on his kidneys and liver. Plus they're going to check for leukaemia virus and FIV. And the vet said he'd also perform an oral exam.
Hopefully we'll have some answers soon. Poor Leo! :)
Matthew - 07 Sep 2006 15:38 GMT If your vet has no idea about it call these fold it cost a little but they can tell you what to do http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc&JServSessionIdr012=3lbph2 1td2.app26b
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You described a definite reaction to the plant
Orange Day Lily Common Name: Orange Day Lily Scientific Name: Hemorocallis graminea Family: Liliaceae Toxic Principle: unknown Clinical signs: vomiting, inappetence, lethargy, kidney failure, and death is possible. Cats are only species known to be affected.
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc_toxic_orangedaylily
>> Check the inside of his mouth for sores, just went through this with the >> two [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Hopefully we'll have some answers soon. Poor Leo! :) katzpajamaz - 07 Sep 2006 18:11 GMT >http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc&JServSessionIdr012=3lbph2 1td2.app26b >Aspca Animal Poison Control Center Hotline THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT! (shouting intended...) I'm getting ready to plan a garden and landscaping, also will be getting some houseplants when I move soon. I had no idea how many are toxic to animals. This will help a great deal to protect whatever kitties come into my life. They will be indoor kitties, so that will be safer. I can definitely control what is available to them inside.
The neighborhood has just tons of many of those plants listed. There are also lots of kitty cats running around that manage to grow to adulthood, so maybe they don't automatically nibble on the bad things, huh?
It would be worth posting a separate thread to share strategies for planting something you really want, in such a way or place that animals are protected from it. What do you think?
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Rhonda - 07 Sep 2006 17:36 GMT Oh boy, lilies are horrible! I know our vet puts up signs about them, warning even getting the pollen on your fingers and then petting your cat.
Your vet was not familiar with this? I hope he is acting quickly.
Let us know what happens,
Rhonda
> We were so worried having read about how quickly a cat can die from > lily poisoning that we brought him straight back to our old vet this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Hopefully we'll have some answers soon. Poor Leo! :) Erik - 08 Sep 2006 21:22 GMT there are lots of possible causes for vomiting, diarrhoea, loss of apetite, loss of weight, dehydration and crying is also normal in such situation (in vet-terms called "acute abdomen"), you didn't give him painkillers I hope (NSAIDS can cause acute abdomen by gastric ulcerations and hematemesis)
most common are of course the gastro-intestinal causes: in stomach: gastritis (seldom with fever!), ulcers, foreign bodies (hair-balls); in intestines: obstuction (you can have diarrhea and obstruction in one cat!), ulcers; pancreas inflammation, peritonitis, splenic torsion, lower urinary tract obstruction (you cat isn't neutered at very early age I hope?) trauma or congenital defects leading to organ displacement or entrapment in the hernia will also lead to abdominal pain if the vascular supply of the organs involved becomes impaired or ischemic also dietary intolerance or hypersensitivity, or infectious causes (panleukopenia, corona, FIP, Salmonella, Campylobacter (can give by the way hematemesis) clostridium, E.coli,..., parasitic infection, toxins)
risk factors are as usual exposure to NSAIDs or corticosteroid treatment, garbage or inappropriate food ingestion wich can give pancreatitis, foreign body ingestion which can give intestinal obstructions
tests that are usefull: bloodcell count: leukocytosis! (high white bloodcells) are often associated with inflammation of infection anemia ?: can be seen with gastro-intestinal (GI) ulceration azotemia? is associated with prerenal, renal and postrenal causes elektrolyte abnormalities can help to evaluate GI disease[Cl] and renal disease [K] hyperbilirubinemia and elevated hepatic enzymes help localize a problem in the liver or biliary tract TLI can be useful in evaluating feline pancreatitis abdominal radiograph can show abdominal masses or changes in shape or shifting of abdominal organs, but not all foreign bodies can be seen on X-Ray; loss of detail is an indication for a peritoneal tap; abdominocentesis is a necessar test
tell me about the tests that were done yet, so I can maybe help a bit
Erik (the vet-but you should have known that yet, hmm)
> I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten > month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Louise ~*Connie*~ - 09 Sep 2006 00:04 GMT I mentioned to a group of cat lovers that my cat who was vomiting frequently made the same grinding noise with her teeth when she ate. Someone mentioned she was nautious (upset stomach since I KNOW I didn't spell it right) I started giving her Pecid AC and it has stopped.
Still haven't figured out why she's loosing weight and WHY she's got an upset stomach all the time. Got yet another vet appointment to figure it out.
> I'm hoping that someone can give me advice about my cat Leo. He's a ten > month old Maine Coon. Up until last week he was very healthy and happy. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Louise lkeegan@gmail.com - 09 Sep 2006 13:47 GMT Hi everyone,
Our vet just called to say that Leo has tested faintly positive for FeLV. It's so faint, however, that it may be a false alarm. They're going to keep him in for a few more days until the diarrhoea and vomiting stops. Then we'll take him home. After one month he's to go back for a repeat of the FeLV test. The vet doesn't know, however, if this is what is causing his symptoms.
Obviously we're all hoping that it's a mistake, or at least, that he'll be able to fight it off. We're especially worried because we have three other cats in the house and we don't want them to catch it too.
It's so frustrating not knowing exactly what is wrong with him. The vet is still treating this as some kind of stomach infection since Leo's kidneys and liver are both fine. It it were a case of lily poisoning, I doubt his kidneys would be in good shape, so that's hopeful. His white cell count is high. And he's not anaemic.
I'm still waiting to hear about his oral exam. The vet said he'd do that today.
Louise
Rhonda - 10 Sep 2006 06:35 GMT > Hi everyone, > > Our vet just called to say that Leo has tested faintly positive for > FeLV. It's so faint, however, that it may be a false alarm. Good luck to Leo. I hope it is a false alarm and that he's home now and feeling better.
Rhonda
Outsider - 10 Sep 2006 18:50 GMT Poor Leo.
He seems to be going through a lot. I hope he gets better real soon.
Andy
lkeegan@gmail.com wrote in news:1157806065.784437.132740 @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
> Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Louise lkeegan@gmail.com - 14 Sep 2006 20:34 GMT Hi everyone,
Just an update: we moved Leo to a different vet after he became severely dehydrated and it was definitely the right decision. Our new vet is wonderful. She immediately noticed that Leo's bowels were inflamed, took an X-ray and then took biopsies from his intestines. While performing the biopsy, she discovered that his intestines had an interception (sp?). As I understand it, the walls of part of the intestinal tract closed in, making it difficult for the digested food to move through. There was also a large infection in place, due to the build-up of white blood cells. The vet removed the damaged section of the intestines and is treating Leo with antibiotics and steroids. He's very weak after the operation, but our vet is quietly optimistic that he'll recover.
I've learned so much from this, but mainly I've learned that if you have doubts about your veterinarian, trust your instincts and find a new one. If we hadn't moved Leo when we did, he'd probably have died. At least now he has a fighting chance.
The next 24 hours will be crucial. If his intestines hold up tomorrow with a little food, he'll probably make it.
Thank you to everyone who replied!
Louise
wester@laway.net - 15 Sep 2006 01:10 GMT >Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Louise Dear Louise:
I hope Leo is feeling better already! Let us know, K?
Rhonda - 15 Sep 2006 07:22 GMT Our cat just had her whole large intestine (colon) removed this summer. It was quite an ordeal.
Keep an eye on your cat's hydration.
Good luck to Leo, I hope things go very well for him and he recuperates quickly!
Rhonda
> Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Louise Outsider - 15 Sep 2006 21:51 GMT lkeegan@gmail.com wrote in news:1158262466.384108.132510 @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Louise Trust your instincts Trust your instincts Trust your instincts Trust your instincts
No better advice. I hope Leo pulls through.
Andy
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