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Ablang - 06 Mar 2004 01:50 GMT
       I just found out that my cat has urinary tract infection.  A friend
of mine asked what I feed her.  I said 80% Meow Mix & 20% Science Hill
(Diet?) and table scraps (human food; she loves chicken bones the most).  
He thinks what I feed her is the probable cause of her getting UTI.  He
says he feeds his cats Nutromax (or Cat-Max?), and says he never has to
take them to the vet.

       So, I'm wondering...  Is good pet food important to its health (and
staying away from the vet)?  Is it okay for animals like cats & dogs to eat
human food (or meat for that matter)?  I want to hear personal testimony on
whether or not more expensive cat (or dog) food is vital to a pet staying
healthy.

     Cat owners: What brand(s) do you feed your cats and why?

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Emily Carroll - 06 Mar 2004 01:58 GMT
>     I just found out that my cat has urinary tract infection.  A friend
> of mine asked what I feed her.  I said 80% Meow Mix & 20% Science Hill
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>     So, I'm wondering...  Is good pet food important to its health (and
> staying away from the vet)?

Yes.  Good diet is important in both dogs and cats--as you've found, poor
diet can lead to urinary tract infections (in cats) as well as hairballs and
various other problems.

I have far fewer issues with my pets' health if they're eating quality food
(Nutro for two dogs, Eukanuba LB puppy for the other, Purina ONE for the
*picky picky* cat)

Is it okay for animals like cats & dogs to eat
> human food (or meat for that matter)?

Generally speaking, in small amounts, unseasoned, cooked meat is alright.
If you want to do more than that, you really need to research raw diets.

 I want to hear personal testimony on
> whether or not more expensive cat (or dog) food is vital to a pet staying
> healthy.
>
>       Cat owners: What brand(s) do you feed your cats and why?

I feed Purina ONE.  We used to feed Science Diet because a friend got it for
cheap at school.  I switched to Iams when we moved because the SD was
expensive and the cat really didn't like it.  I moved down to Purina ONE
because the damn beast won't eat food that's more than 8 hours old (and
putting it back in the bin does NOT work for whatever reason) and I'm sick
of wasting my money.

--
Emily Carroll
Fluttervale Labradors: www.fluttervale.com
CPG: www.geocities.com/cyberpetgame/
Sherry - 06 Mar 2004 02:57 GMT
>I feed Purina ONE.  We used to feed Science Diet because a friend got it for
>cheap at school.  I switched to Iams when we moved because the SD was
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>--
>Emily Carroll

Dry food really isn't good for a cat with urinary problems, though. They need
all the water they can get, and wet food helps provide that.

Sherry
~*Connie*~ - 06 Mar 2004 11:57 GMT
> Dry food really isn't good for a cat with urinary problems, though. They need
> all the water they can get, and wet food helps provide that.
>
> Sherry

we prescribe a dry diet all the time.. its not the type of food that
matters, its the amount of water.  If the cat isn't drinking water, then
yes, the wet is better.
Sherry - 06 Mar 2004 20:16 GMT
>> Dry food really isn't good for a cat with urinary problems, though. They
>need
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>matters, its the amount of water.  If the cat isn't drinking water, then
>yes, the wet is better.

You can't always be sure how much the cat is drinking, and how much is actually
"enough". Better to provide at *least* a 50/50 mix... wet food in addition to
dry.
Look at what happens when those hard dry kibbles get wet. They puff up to twice
their size, keeping their shape. Look at that and  just imagine what that stuff
does inside the cat's stomach.
I feed mine dry food. But just not exclusively. They get canned food also.

Sherry
Cheryl - 06 Mar 2004 04:29 GMT
>          So, I'm wondering...  Is good pet food important to its
>          health (and
> staying away from the vet)?  Is it okay for animals like cats & dogs
> to eat human food (or meat for that matter)?  I want to hear personal
> testimony on whether or not more expensive cat (or dog) food is vital
> to a pet staying healthy.

I think so.  I have no concrete evidence of this, but before I found
these Usenet groups, I fed grocery store dry food as a staple, and
Friskies, Whiskas, Fancy Feast (all canned) for treats.  My first cat
developed Megacolon (he couldn't sh.t without an enima) and had to be put
to sleep (the necropsy found intestines as hard as stone, but it wasn't
biopsied so it was never determined if he had cancer).  My second cat
(who is still alive) was diagnosed with IBD almost 2 years ago. Since
being more concious of food, he is doing better but I fear the damage is
already done.  (IBD is incurable, but can be somewhat controlled). Some
common ingredients used in cheap foods are used as fillers and are
notorious for being either allergens, or create other sensitivities.  I
now also have a third and forth cat (not counting foster cats) and one
has severe allergies, but not conclusive to food allergies.  The latest
only eats dry food so I make sure it is of high quality and set out
plenty of water sources.  She drinks a lot of water. Oh, and I switched
them to spring water, or filtered water in a Drinkwell. Water plays a
huge role, too.

Cheryl
pepsi@myhome.com - 06 Mar 2004 19:11 GMT
>>          So, I'm wondering...  Is good pet food important to its
>>          health (and
>> staying away from the vet)?  Is it okay for animals like cats & dogs
>> to eat human food (or meat for that matter)?  I want to hear personal
>> testimony on whether or not more expensive cat (or dog) food is vital
>> to a pet staying healthy.

I just got back from taking my cat to the vet for digestive problems.
I was feeding him Whiskas dry (other dry foods make him throw up) with
1/4  can of wet as a treat "meal".  (The dry was unlimited).  I had
also been taking away all food at night, when he seemed to have the
vomiting problem the most.  

The vet told me to eliminate the dry food completely and feed him 1/2
can in the morning and 1/2 can in the evening.  I have never heard of
a vet recommending canned food and made him promise this was only
temporary.  I don't want my cat to get fat and poop all day.  I also
think dry food is important for the teeth.  Anyway, my vet didn't seem
to place any importance on brands of dry, meaning he never told me to
opt for more nutritious, expensive brands.  My cat is ten and, other
than his current problem (we're hoping it's just hair consumption),
he's been very healthy.
pepsi
Emily Carroll - 06 Mar 2004 20:00 GMT
> >>          So, I'm wondering...  Is good pet food important to its
> >>          health (and
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> he's been very healthy.
> pepsi

I'm not sure what your vet told you, but if your cat is consistantly
vomiting, yes, you want to step back on the dry food.  Dry food expands in
the stomach and can cause vomiting.

When my kitty went through these issues (puking up every meal) we skipped
feeding her for a day to let her tummy settle, then put her on i/d.  You can
basically make it yourself, just cook some hamburger meat, drain it, blend
with boiled rice.  Also, if you have access to hunted meat (venison, bear,
etc.) that can also be very good for digestive issues because there is much
less fat in it.

Anytime someone pukes--unless it's the dog because he ate too fast (the big
hint is when the kibble is still HARD)--we skip the next meal so that their
tummies can settle and then water down the following meal.  This works about
99% of the time.

--
Emily Carroll
Fluttervale Labradors: www.fluttervale.com
CPG: www.geocities.com/cyberpetgame/
pepsi@myhome.com - 06 Mar 2004 21:34 GMT
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:00:15 -0500, "Emily Carroll"
>I'm not sure what your vet told you, but if your cat is consistantly
>vomiting, yes, you want to step back on the dry food.  Dry food expands in
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>tummies can settle and then water down the following meal.  This works about
>99% of the time.

Thank you for the info.  The main reason for the switch to wet food is
for more moisture content, which is exactly what you said.  The
concern I have, which I expressed to the vet, is that it isn't
consistant vomiting.  He may go several weeks between his vomiting
episodes and when he gets sick, it is mainly in the middle of the
night, 7-8 hours after his last meal (we take food away at night).
So, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's just a moisture or hair
problem.  Wednesday, he couldn't keep anything down all day, but was
completely back to normal Thursday.  The all day vomiting was unusual,
as it's usually a one-time occurance a few times a week.  
thanks,
pepsi
Never anonymous Bud - 06 Mar 2004 05:41 GMT
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>        I just found out that my cat has urinary tract infection.  A friend
>of mine asked what I feed her.  I said 80% Meow Mix & 20% Science Hill
>(Diet?) and table scraps (human food; she loves chicken bones the most).  
>He thinks what I feed her is the probable cause of her getting UTI.  

With you feeding her chicken bones, UTI is the LEAST of your problems!

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rpl - 06 Mar 2004 07:58 GMT
> With you feeding her chicken bones, UTI is the LEAST of your problems!

I heard (can't find the cite, so either look yourself or treat it as
hearsay) that it's *cooked* chicken bones that cause problems.

pat
Wendy - 06 Mar 2004 11:53 GMT
> > With you feeding her chicken bones, UTI is the LEAST of your problems!
>
> I heard (can't find the cite, so either look yourself or treat it as
> hearsay) that it's *cooked* chicken bones that cause problems.
>
> pat

That is my understanding too. Cooked chicken bones can splinter and cause
problems.

W
M.C. Mullen - 06 Mar 2004 07:59 GMT
I fed my dog decent enough supermarket food for seven years. Now I'm just
after paying over $1000.- vet bills having got a bladder stone removed. It
_would_ have been cheaper to buy prime quality food. But then again how did
I know she was prone to get the stone, especially after a vet told me
bladder stones are very uncommon with females. Other dogs eat the same food
and die normally from old age. Dog is now on prescription diet (c/u) for the
rest of her life.
You _can_ feed human food, but only as little treats. Chicken bones?? I hope
they're not cooked?? They can be deadly when they splinter they go through
the stomach wall and cause inner bleeding and a very dreadful death!!

Carola

|     I just found out that my cat has urinary tract infection.  A friend
| of mine asked what I feed her.  I said 80% Meow Mix & 20% Science Hill
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
| "Temperament is tempber that is too old to spank."  -- Actress Charlotte
| Greenwood
~*Connie*~ - 06 Mar 2004 12:03 GMT
"Ablang" <HilaryDuff4President@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message
>     So, I'm wondering...  Is good pet food important to its health (and
> staying away from the vet)?  Is it okay for animals like cats & dogs to eat
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> --

Ive had cats all my life.. they have always been feed over the counter
stuff, and we've never had  issues.  Recently Ive switched to a higher
quality food due to the fact that my a recent adoptee came with medical
issues.

Some cats are prone to UTI.. and for those cats you should choose higher
quality foods, or even stick to a prescription food to help keep him in
balance.   and provide plenty of fresh clean water.

I personally believe in feeding human food to cats, but ONLY in small
amounts.  Think of it in terms of chocolate for humans.. great in small
doses, but one should not live off it.  It gives a wide variety of nutrients
to supplement what is available in cat foods.    Im a firm believer in
supplementing a cats diet with vitamins.. seeing what it did for my own
cats, im amazed the medical community as a whole refuses to accept it.
 
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