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Cat Forum / General Topics / April 2004TWO cats in heat!
Oh my god, I thought it was bad enough having one of them in heat. I wrote about it last week, asking how long it lasts, and was hoping that it would be over by now. But now her sister has started so we have TWO screaming, clawing, desperate-to-escape cats! And their appointment to be spayed, made weeks ago, isn't until next Saturday! And no, we can't get them in any sooner. Problem is, they're fighting. Really fighting, not just the goofy, frolicking kitty wrestling they've done up to now. They're hissing and clawing and really being mean. Our house isn't big enough to separate them (it's more or less a one room efficiency) and if we put one in the bathroom with the door shut, she'll tear open a cabinet door that has a hole leading to the outside. They're trying to tear out the screens and, in fact, last week when the first one was in heat and was shut into the bathroom (before we discovered her cabinet escape route) she actually jumped six feet into the air to try to get out the shower window, which is only about 12"x4". She tore the screen right off! We have to keep all the windows closed because if they smell fresh air, they really go to work on that window's screen and will definitely escape. This is a problem because it's 80 degrees during the day (we live down south). To add insult to injury, that friggin' stray tom cat has no intention of leaving the area. He stays right outside our house, all day and all night, yelling at them to come out. I haven't slept in a week. I don't know how much more of this I can take. Any words of wisdom? Are there any kitty sedatives on the market? Is there some way to get this damned tom cat to go the f*ck away? Lisa >Any words of wisdom? Call the clinic, explain the situation to the vet, and see if they can squeeze the cats in sooner. If not call around and see if you can find a clinic that will. You should also fix/cover the hole(?) that goes to the outside to prevent any accidental escapes. You can get a large dog cage and separate the cats that way. Get a Feliway dffuser and see if that will help calm your cats down at least enough so they stop fighting. Trim your cats claws to minimize damage they can do to the screens and each other. You can use chicken wire or heavy duty plastic fencing and secure it inside the windows in front of the screens to keep the cats from scratching through them. If you have nylon screens, replacing those with metal screening or a special screen material specifically for pets will help as well. I buy sliding adjustable screens from Home Depot and put them in front of my regular screens to eliminate any chance of the cats making/finding a hole in the screen and getting through it. HTH. Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >I don't know how much more of this I can take. Any words of wisdom? Are >there any kitty sedatives on the market? Is there some way to get this >damned tom cat to go the f*ck away? > >Lisa Geez, Lisa. That sounds like some circle of hell you're in. I'd call the vet and beg to set the appointment up. Other than that, I don't have any advice. I have *one* cat in heat riight now with a Wednesday appointment to be spayed. She's spraying all over the place. Sigh. Sherry >I don't know how much more of this I can take. Any words of wisdom? Are >there any kitty sedatives on the market? I had a cat in heat for...two months. I was so exhausted from sleep deprivation. I would have to put her in a carrier three rooms away with the door closed at night. My husband wanted to kill her. She was FLV+ and I couldn't find a vet willing to do it. I finally found one and she was instantly fine after surgery. I'd call and try to find a vet who can take them sooner. They may charge extra because they're in heat. I guess there is valium for kitties. There's also ovarid which will stop heat. It's a hormone but very few vets have even heard of it. >I had a cat in heat for...two months. I was so exhausted from sleep >deprivation. I would have to put her in a carrier three rooms away with the >door closed at night. My husband wanted to kill her. How did you *stand* it for 2 months!! How do breeders stand it? My DH also wants to kill her. The other cats are so confused. She has taken a real liking to Frank, apparently not aware this is a house full of eunichs. He looks at me like "Make her stop." DH says, "Make her stop." She tries to get out, she sprays everywhere, she *constantly* yowls and is writhing around on the floor. I just feel bad for her. Between the females yowling and sprayingg, and the *males* yowling and spraying, a breeder's house must smell like one huge litterbox. (If they even keep them in the house). Yeah. I"m convinced now more than ever. A spayed cat is a happy cat. With a happy owner. Sherry Sherry >How do breeders stand it?< Some breeders can tolerate it. Other breeders have ways of getting their cats out of heat. (Don't ask.) Dik >She tries to get out, she sprays >everywhere, she *constantly* yowls and is >writhing around on the floor. Why don't you confine Bisquette (sorry, couldn't resist spelling it that way ;-) ) until the spay appointment? You could put her in a bathroom or borrow a dog cage. It's only until Wednesday, will stop her from spraying everywhere and may calm her down somewhat. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >Why don't you confine Bisquette (sorry, couldn't resist spelling it that >way ;-) ) until the spay appointment? You could put her in a bathroom or >borrow a dog cage. It's only until Wednesday, will stop her from >spraying everywhere and may calm her down somewhat. > >Megan That's what I've done. I locked her up in a bedroom. I hate it, and she hates it too, but I just can't deal with the spraying and I'm half afraid it will trigger the others into peeing/spraying also. Because of medical issues, I don't have a sense of smell, none. So I am doubly paranoid about odor. Another question, though. I do know with males it takes a while for the hormone levels to drop in their bodies after neutering. Is it the same with female, or would the resuls be immediate? Sherry >I do know with males it takes a while for >the hormone levels to drop in their bodies >after neutering. Is it the same with female, >or would the resuls be immediate? With females you see a stop to the behaviors right away after a spay. My recent rescue Jenna was in heat when she was spayed, but when I brought her home she pretty much slept for the first day or two and then acted completely normal. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray Sherry - my sympathies! Do the best you can to keep them seperated. They want out because they have a "suitor" waiting for them. No idea how to make him go away. She (they) will be noticably calmer after they get fixed. My foster (who was a nursing mother) went through two heats before she could get fixed. We are talking a cat that HATES my dogs, when she was in heat she was loving everyone and everything, even the dogs (who at this point wanted nothing to do with her). She got fixed and was like a new cat (maternal instinct is now gone, and apparently so is the her "loving feeling"). Good luck, hang in there, only a few more days! Got a friend that can take one for a few days? JoJo > >I do know with males it takes a while for > >the hormone levels to drop in their bodies [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - W.H. Murray > Oh my god, I thought it was bad enough having one of them in heat. I wrote > about it last week, asking how long it lasts, and was hoping that it would [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I don't know how much more of this I can take. Any words of wisdom? You already got some words of wisdom: Let them get laid, and any kitten fetuses that develop will be removed during the spaying operation. Or just continue to live with three screaming cats. It's your choice. >You already got some words of wisdom: Let them get laid, and any kitten >fetuses that develop will be removed during the spaying operation. Great! Maybe the diseases they contract in the process won't be fatal ones. Sherry If you let them close to this outdoor cat you are exposing them to all the cat diseases out there. And yes, all it takes is once - to get feline leukemia, FIV, respiratory diseases, fleas, lice, mites, mange....the list goes on. The onus was on you to have them spayed before they went in heat. Now you must wait until Saturday. > > Oh my god, I thought it was bad enough having one of them in heat. I wrote > > about it last week, asking how long it lasts, and was hoping that it would [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Or just continue to live with three screaming cats. It's your choice. >If you let them close to this outdoor cat you are exposing them to all the >cat diseases out there. And yes, all it takes is once - to get feline >leukemia, FIV, respiratory diseases, fleas, lice, mites, mange....the list >goes on. The onus was on you to have them spayed before they went in heat. >Now you must wait until Saturday. FYI, the post you are replying to is eight days old, and the cat's appointment was last Saturday. So you can save your self-righteous diatribe--funny how someone like you bursts into a newsgroup with no posting history, no advice to offer, yet you see fit to chastise the OP. Who, by the way, did not disclose the reasons for delaying the spay surgery, and did NOT indicate he/she was even considering allowing the cats outdoors. Sherry > Oh my god, I thought it was bad enough having one of them in heat. I wrote > about it last week, asking how long it lasts, and was hoping that it would [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with the door shut, she'll tear open a cabinet door that has a hole leading > to the outside. > They're trying to tear out the screens and, in fact, last week when the > first one was in heat and was shut into the bathroom (before we discovered [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > definitely escape. This is a problem because it's 80 degrees during the day > (we live down south). You have to understand that sexual urges in cats are extremely strong, and take over any habbits/resonable behaviour/rules they already know. Hormons literarely take over them. And yes, they will make your ats do ANYTHING in their power to find a tom, and mate. In fact, females will often mate with more then one tom and mother children of miscelanious fatherhood. > To add insult to injury, that friggin' stray tom cat has no intention of > leaving the area. He stays right outside our house, all day and all night, > yelling at them to come out. I haven't slept in a week. Pls don't blame the poor boy. He is only follwing his crazy hormons, and is probably starving outside, becuase he hasn;t gone anywhere for all those days you've been seeing him, hoping to get lucky. Feed the poor boy pls. It's not his fault. Probably the best thing you could do is to catch him, and have him nuetered. Lots of organisations will do it for free if he;s a stray. Then you can bring him back and let him out in your neighbourhood-his home. But pls don;t blame him. It;s not his fault he was born a stray, and nobody cared about him enough to have him done. > I don't know how much more of this I can take. Any words of wisdom? It;s only a few more days. Trust me. You will look back on this event and laugh. Only a few more days. Oh yeah, and get the fan :) > Is there some way to get this > damned tom cat to go the f*ck away? Yes. Catch him and have him nutered. > Lisa > > Is there some way to get this > > damned tom cat to go the f*ck away? > > Yes. Catch him and have him nutered. I didn't see the original of this thread, but the obvious answer is that unless Lisa has the females for breeding, she should have them spayed. If she can afford to keep cats, she can afford to get them spayed. Why anyone who isn't a breeder keeps an entire cat (or dog) is, quite frankly, beyond me. It's safer and kinder all round to get them spayed and let them get on with having a nice life, free from the drive to procreate, with all that entails. If you can't afford to get them spayed, you shouldn't have them in the first place. > I didn't see the original of this thread, but the obvious answer is that > unless Lisa has the females for breeding, she should have them spayed. If [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If you can't afford to get them spayed, you shouldn't have them in the first > place. Actually there is a reason. It's not common but a very good friend has an intact female dog that he has no intention of breeding. The dog has anemia. He won't have her altered because the surgery is mor dangerous for her than for most and he knows he can keep her in and out of the way of other dogs. You're on the right track but I just wanted to mention there is an exception for every rule and until we know the whole story we shouldn't judge. (actually we shouldn't judge anyway but that wasn't the point). AG >> I didn't see the original of this thread, but the obvious answer is that >> unless Lisa has the females for breeding, she should have them spayed. If [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> with having a nice life, free from the drive to procreate, with all that >> entails. You should have located the original thread before getting on a soapbox. You're on the right track, but preaching to the choir. Lisa already had an appointment for spaying, and was just having to wait a week or so before the appoinntment. Sherry > Actually there is a reason. It's not common but a very good friend has > an intact female dog that he has no intention of breeding. The dog has > anemia. He won't have her altered because the surgery is mor dangerous > for her than for most and he knows he can keep her in and out of the way > of other dogs. Yeah, I'd accept problems with surgery as a valid reason. > You're on the right track but I just wanted to mention there is an exception > for every rule and until we know the whole story we shouldn't judge. > (actually we shouldn't judge anyway but that wasn't the point). Now where would usenet be if none of used judged, huh? We might as well just all go and read a book - and what fun would that be? ;-) "Ashley" <ashleyjane@XXXXXxtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:nP5fc.14666$d% > I didn't see the original of this thread, but the obvious answer is that > unless Lisa has the females for breeding, she should have them spayed. It's Ok Ashley, she will, and has the op booked after the heat passes, she just needed to know what to do in the meantime. Gee > "Ashley" <ashleyjane@XXXXXxtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:nP5fc.14666$d% > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's Ok Ashley, she will, and has the op booked after the heat passes, she > just needed to know what to do in the meantime. Cheers, Gee. Good to see another non-Yank in this group (calm down, guys, just pulling your legs!). How is good ol Blighty, these days? Was my second home for 6.5 years, but haven't been back for just over 10, now. Autumn in NZ is proving to be just as cold and grotty as summer was! > Pls don't blame the poor boy. He is only follwing his crazy hormons, > and is probably starving outside, becuase he hasn;t gone anywhere for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > not his fault he was born a stray, and nobody cared about him enough > to have him done. Great reply! It isn't his fault and I wouldn't have thought of putting food out for him. I have to add, even if he isn't a stray but is someones pet cat I'd still trap him and have him neutered. If he's allowed to roam intact, his people probably wouldn't even notice. SignatureCheryl > > Pls don't blame the poor boy. He is only follwing his crazy hormons, > > and is probably starving outside, becuase he hasn;t gone anywhere for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > out for him. I have to add, even if he isn't a stray but is someones pet > cat I'd still trap him and have him neutered. If you neuter a cat belonging to me, I will delight in burning you alive. Maybe everyone in your house...seeing the children run out of the house, in flames, might be quite enjoyable. You have no right whatsoever to make the decision to neuter a cat you merely _think_ is a stray. A _lot_ of people just like you need killing. --Tim May --Tim May >> Great reply! It isn't his fault and I wouldn't have thought of >> putting food out for him. I have to add, even if he isn't a stray but [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > A _lot_ of people just like you need killing. Try me. I'd do it in a heartbeat. In fact, I trapped a neighbors cat and got him shots, would have had him neutered but he already was. No collar, ate at my stray cat feeding station daily. SignatureCheryl > >> Great reply! It isn't his fault and I wouldn't have thought of > >> putting food out for him. I have to add, even if he isn't a stray but [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > got him shots, would have had him neutered but he already was. No collar, > ate at my stray cat feeding station daily. I'll take you up on this offer. Post your address. You should be killed. --Tim May >> >> Great reply! It isn't his fault and I wouldn't have thought of >> >> putting food out for him. I have to add, even if he isn't a stray [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > --Tim May Track me down fuckhead. If you have roaming unneutered males, I'm tracking *you* down. I'll have the neutering done, my treat. I'll even throw in shots, defleaing, deworming, earmite treatment, etc, because I'm pretty sure you aren't having it done. SignatureCheryl > Track me down fuckhead. If you have roaming unneutered males, I'm > tracking *you* down. As you say. I'm tracking you down at this time. ...wow...you are not very anonymous, are you?... "Hotmail" is ridiculously weak...your NNTP numbers are visible. You should have used throwaway remailers. --Tim May >> Track me down fuckhead. If you have roaming unneutered males, I'm >> tracking *you* down. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > --Tim May Wow. I was trying to hide my IP? lmao What are you going to do with that? Again I say. Track me down if I trap your unneutered male and have him neutered. I would do it if you were one of my irresponsible neighbors. I *have* done it. SignatureCheryl >"Hotmail" is ridiculously weak...your NNTP numbers are visible. You >should have used throwaway remailers. NNTP numbers? Let me guess, you read about an "annoy-a-moose" remailer in wired and decided to act all tek-nic-al? SignatureI guess we'll be going down together, I mean getting off together, I mean ... That's Ok, I'll just press the button for the stimulator. Elevator! -- Homer Simpson > >"Hotmail" is ridiculously weak...your NNTP numbers are visible. You > >should have used throwaway remailers. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Let me guess, you read about an "annoy-a-moose" remailer in wired and > decided to act all tek-nic-al? Weird that you mention anonymous remailers and "Wired." Cf. the second issue of "Wired," where I am on the cover. As for anonymous remailers, I archtected them in 1988-91 and the first ones were deployed in 1992. --Tim May >> >"Hotmail" is ridiculously weak...your NNTP numbers are visible. You >> >should have used throwaway remailers. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >issue of "Wired," where I am on the cover. As for anonymous remailers, >I archtected them in 1988-91 and the first ones were deployed in 1992. And yet you used a term like NNTP numbers? What sort of "numbers" are you referring to? About the only numbers unique to NNTP would be article numbers, and those aren't exactly interesting. SignatureSo you're a feminist. Isn't that cute. So are yours, dorkyboy - every posting of yours has NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.19.185.182 in the headers SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > > Track me down fuckhead. If you have roaming unneutered males, I'm > > tracking *you* down. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > --Tim May > If you neuter a cat belonging to me, I will delight in burning you > alive. Maybe everyone in your house...seeing the children run out of > the house, in flames, might be quite enjoyable. > A _lot_ of people just like you need killing. > > --Tim May This coming from someone who leavs his cats to fend for themselves for 8 days at a time. Tim apparently doesn't put much value on life, feline or otherwise. If burning someone's family alive is his penalty for neutering a stray, I'll surely get the death penalty for calling him a raving lunatic. > > If you neuter a cat belonging to me, I will delight in burning you > > alive. Maybe everyone in your house...seeing the children run out of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > otherwise. If burning someone's family alive is his penalty for neutering a > stray, I'll surely get the death penalty for calling him a raving lunatic. Yes, you will get the death penalty. I'm laughing as I contemplate this. --Tim May > > > If you neuter a cat belonging to me, I will delight in burning you > > > alive. Maybe everyone in your house...seeing the children run out of > > > the house, in flames, might be quite enjoyable. > > > > > A _lot_ of people just like you need killing. Actually no. People like her need staying on this planet cos she cares for animal wellfare. Wouldn;t you rather aim your weapon at someone who mistreats the animals or dumps them in rubish or God knows what else? > > This coming from someone who leavs his cats to fend for themselves for 8 > > days at a time. Tim apparently doesn't put much value on life, feline or [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > --Tim May Tim chill. Again. You are not the God. Just becuase you own a gun, you know, you actually don;t HAVE TO use it! What is the matter with you? Do you not think about anything else but killing people, neighbours etc? Comon! Start using your head instead of your gun. You can gain more that way, and win more battles. Guns are for kids. Brain is for adults. We all love cats here, and weather you like it or not, nuetering IS best for your cats. I am shocked that in all your love for your cats you haven;t done it yourself already. This is the duty and responsibility of a pet owner. It;s nothing to do with some stupid MALE pride some guys seems to feel about chooping the balls off their pets. Nutering actually reduced the male cats roaming, reduces fighting, reduceing the transfer of deseases, reduces the already overbred feline population. Surely you don;t want your boys to get feline AIDS becuase they mated with a deseased female? No cat condoms on the market yet. Surely you love animals enough to not want any more cats and kittens being put to sleep in shelters becuase they can;t find home? Surely you'd prefer the reduction in vets bills becuase your boys will get into less fights and get less abcesses and other damage? And if you still answer that you'd kill if someone nuteres your boys, then you have to really ask yourself how much you do love your cats. Gee | You have no right whatsoever to make the decision to neuter a cat you | merely _think_ is a stray. If it doesn't have a collar with name and phone number, then it *is* a stray. | A _lot_ of people just like you need killing. You should visit the local shelter on the days when the service entrance gets used. Like this: http://tinyurl.com/7myc Quoth Tim May: > A _lot_ of people just like you need killing. Ok, can someone leftpondian alert the appropriate authorities about this deranged paranoid psychopath? (I'm think more police than SPCA at this point, although both are equally valid.) SignatureGwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in header) some girls wander by themselves > Quoth Tim May: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > deranged paranoid psychopath? (I'm think more police than SPCA at this > point, although both are equally valid.) He's a harmless twit with anger issues. Not anything to worry about. :) SignatureCheryl |
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