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Janna - 08 Jun 2006 03:51 GMT
Ok, so if Iams and Science Diet are not the greatest thing
to feed your cat, then recommend a food you prefer.
Open to any & all suggestions.

Janna
TaliesinSoft - 08 Jun 2006 04:12 GMT
> Ok, so if Iams and Science Diet are not the greatest thing to feed your
> cat, then recommend a food you prefer. Open to any & all suggestions.

Today I happened to be in a PetSmart and was in a register line behind an
exceptionally obese woman who was nattering on with the person in front of
her about the importance of good nutrition as far as one's cat is concerned.
This while she downed three large candy bars!

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klbr88 - 08 Jun 2006 06:58 GMT
i use nutro max cat - good food - no by-products....

> Ok, so if Iams and Science Diet are not the greatest thing
> to feed your cat, then recommend a food you prefer.
> Open to any & all suggestions.
>
> Janna
Barnabas Collins - 08 Jun 2006 21:51 GMT
>i use nutro max cat - good food - no by-products....
>
>> Ok, so if Iams and Science Diet are not the greatest thing
>> to feed your cat, then recommend a food you prefer.
>> Open to any & all suggestions.
I use Iams.  Also around here Iams is cheaper at the
supermarket.
Professor - 09 Jun 2006 04:04 GMT
>>i use nutro max cat - good food - no by-products....
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I use Iams.  Also around here Iams is cheaper at the
> supermarket.

Iams sucks nutritionally, and the company sucks too.  It is a part of
Proctor and Gamble, one of the most evil corporations in the world.  They
routinely torture animals, it has been well documented.  Proctor and Gamble
two years ago paid the largest fine in US history for corporate espionage.
Remember when the executives behind Folgers coffee were exposed as directing
death squads in Columbia?  Same bunch.  There are foods much better for your
cat than Iams, and you shouldn't be supporting a vicious empire.
Barnabas Collins - 09 Jun 2006 21:48 GMT
>Iams sucks nutritionally, and the company sucks too.  It is a part of
>Proctor and Gamble, one of the most evil corporations in the world.
And if you eliminated all the evil corporaions you'd be speding all
your waking hours growing/preaparing your own food for your cat.

You wouldn't even have time to pet the cat.

>They
>routinely torture animals, it has been well documented.  Proctor and Gamble
>two years ago paid the largest fine in US history for corporate espionage.
Here is a clue: every corporation does it.   You show me a corporation
that says they don't and i'll show you a corporation who is flat out
lying.

>Remember when the executives behind Folgers coffee were exposed as directing
>death squads in Columbia?  Same bunch.  There are foods much better for your
>cat than Iams, and you shouldn't be supporting a vicious empire.
You have a url for this?
~*Connie*~ - 10 Jun 2006 03:10 GMT
>>Iams sucks nutritionally, and the company sucks too.  It is a part of
>>Proctor and Gamble, one of the most evil corporations in the world.
> And if you eliminated all the evil corporaions you'd be speding all
> your waking hours growing/preaparing your own food for your cat.
>
> You wouldn't even have time to pet the cat.

Um.. I make my own food for SIX cats.  Takes about an hour a week..

And Iams and SD are pretty horrid cat foods.  The only reason SD is so
popular is because they give their food away to vets.  The mark up is HUGE,
so there for that is what they carry, and what they recommend.  Also vets
have minimal training on nutrition, (about two hours from what I was told)
and it is usually done by Iams or SD.. so gee.. wonder what they are going
to learn.
Barnabas Collins - 10 Jun 2006 05:07 GMT
>Um.. I make my own food for SIX cats.  Takes about an hour a week..
Before you go slamming Science Diet and IAMS,  take a good hard
look at the food you get in the supermarket to prepare the food
on you own.   After a good hard look not only will you stop feeding
it to your cats you'll stop eating it yourself.

Pay particular attention to how many parts per million of
contaminants are allowed by law.

Don't forget all the salmonila that occurs in food.
Professor - 10 Jun 2006 16:41 GMT
>>Iams sucks nutritionally, and the company sucks too.  It is a part of
>>Proctor and Gamble, one of the most evil corporations in the world.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>cat than Iams, and you shouldn't be supporting a vicious empire.
> You have a url for this?

http://www.iamscruelty.com/

http://www.uncaged.co.uk/iams.htm

http://www.moggies.co.uk/html/iams.html

http://www.iamskills.com/

Here you can learn about the connection between Folgers and death squads in
El Salvador(not Columbia, my bad):

http://www.afsc.org/newengland/bigcat/tpc.php?TID=008&page=3&perpage=10

Here is what Proctor and Gamble had to do once the connection was made:

http://tinyurl.com/l5yv4
Barnabas Collins - 10 Jun 2006 19:11 GMT
>>>Iams sucks nutritionally, and the company sucks too.  It is a part of
>>>Proctor and Gamble, one of the most evil corporations in the world.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
>http://tinyurl.com/l5yv4

Here is a list of corporations who are not corrupt/morally
bankrupt/etc.:

{Deliberately left blank since they're all just as bad.}
Professor - 10 Jun 2006 23:23 GMT
>>>>Iams sucks nutritionally, and the company sucks too.  It is a part of
>>>>Proctor and Gamble, one of the most evil corporations in the world.
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>
> {Deliberately left blank since they're all just as bad.}

I suspect you're defending Proctor and Gamble only because you're sitting on
a big bag of Iams.  Next time try Royal Canin, whichever kind is best for
your cat.  They make several kinds based on the breed of your cat(s).  I
have Oriental Shorthairs so their Siamese formula is ideal for mine.
Barnabas Collins - 11 Jun 2006 04:41 GMT
>I suspect you're defending Proctor and Gamble only because you're sitting on
>a big bag of Iams.  Next time try Royal Canin, whichever kind is best for
>your cat.  They make several kinds based on the breed of your cat(s).  I
>have Oriental Shorthairs so their Siamese formula is ideal for mine.

No I'm not.  I'm saying if you're looking for a corporation that
isn't morrally bankrupt you'll never ever find it.  They're all
corrupt/morrally bankrupt.  

And all the food you buy is thoroughly conataminated by
all sorts of junk.   And even if you grow it youself
it will be conatminated by all the junk in the air
and in the ground.
Professor - 11 Jun 2006 15:04 GMT
>>I suspect you're defending Proctor and Gamble only because you're sitting
>>on
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> it will be conatminated by all the junk in the air
> and in the ground.

I agree with you that corporations are inherently evil and organic produce
is better, but you're avoiding the topic.  The question is what are the
better/best cat foods, and I say Iams sucks.  I propose that Royal Canin is
a better alternative, now it's you're turn to tell me where I'm wrong.
Barnabas Collins - 11 Jun 2006 17:03 GMT
>I agree with you that corporations are inherently evil and organic produce
>is better, but you're avoiding the topic.  The question is what are the
>better/best cat foods, and I say Iams sucks.  I propose that Royal Canin is
>a better alternative, now it's you're turn to tell me where I'm wrong.

Have never tried Royal Canin.  Not familiar with it, the nearest
retailer is two hours away with no traffic.   (You're probably talking
four hours with traffic to the cape in the summer).

And shipping would probably be outrageous.

I don't have a better alternative, but i'm saying that organic is not
an alternative until they clean up the ground/the water/the air.

In the meantime my cats are special prescription food from the vet.
Barnabas Collins - 11 Jun 2006 17:40 GMT
>I agree with you that corporations are inherently evil and organic produce
>is better, but you're avoiding the topic.  The question is what are the
>better/best cat foods, and I say Iams sucks.  I propose that Royal Canin is
>a better alternative, now it's you're turn to tell me where I'm wrong.
Erik - 13 Jun 2006 18:41 GMT
I think Royal Canin is one of the best in the world, but every animal has
it's own needs and taste so you could better listen to the vet and try some
samples he or she gives you
(btw, no, I'm not working for Royal Canin)

>>>I suspect you're defending Proctor and Gamble only because you're sitting
>>>on
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> better/best cat foods, and I say Iams sucks.  I propose that Royal Canin
> is a better alternative, now it's you're turn to tell me where I'm wrong.
Barnabas Collins - 14 Jun 2006 03:08 GMT
>I think Royal Canin is one of the best in the world, but every animal has
>it's own needs and taste so you could better listen to the vet and try some
>samples he or she gives you
>(btw, no, I'm not working for Royal Canin)
Hey it may be the best brand on the planet but I refuse to drive two
hours to get it.   (Four hours + on Thursay, Friday and Saturday
during the summer.)

And shipping would choke a horse.
Erik - 14 Jun 2006 11:22 GMT
of course -even when it may be the best brand in the universe-, that's why I
say just to listen to the advice of the vet...

>>I think Royal Canin is one of the best in the world, but every animal has
>>it's own needs and taste so you could better listen to the vet and try
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Professor - 14 Jun 2006 20:24 GMT
>>I think Royal Canin is one of the best in the world, but every animal has
>>it's own needs and taste so you could better listen to the vet and try
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> And shipping would choke a horse.

I have a bag shipped to me every 2-3 months. The cost isn't much, look it up
and see for yourself.  If you're feeding your cats perscription food then
you're already paying a fortune.
Barnabas Collins - 15 Jun 2006 15:46 GMT
>>>I think Royal Canin is one of the best in the world, but every animal has
>>>it's own needs and taste so you could better listen to the vet and try
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>and see for yourself.  If you're feeding your cats perscription food then
>you're already paying a fortune.

I don't need to look it up.  I ship UPS for my business, I know how
much it costs to ship a 25 pound pacakage (here is a hint: it's alot
cheaper than what the vendor will charge.)
~*Connie*~ - 10 Jun 2006 03:28 GMT
> Ok, so if Iams and Science Diet are not the greatest thing
> to feed your cat, then recommend a food you prefer.
> Open to any & all suggestions.
>
> Janna

Every cat is different.. but they are all carnivores.. so anything that is
meat based (first ingredient is a meat, not a byproduct or corn) is on the
good side.

Having a diabetic cat, I researched foods pretty extensively.  Most
companies put in fillers of one sort or another.  If it isn't by products,
its vegetables.  Cats don't need veggies.  Don't often find them chowing
down in a corn field (well  except on the mice)

It is recommended you find a low carb, good quality protein food with out
fillers and wheat gluten.  Most varieties of cat food have some flavors that
fit this profile.

I currently make my own cat food from the recipe at catinfo.org.  (vet
owned, and operated)  Takes me a couple hours a month for six cats... well
technically five since my diabetic refuses to eat it.. (which is too bad,
cause I could get her off insulin if she would have continued)

For her, I am feeding Innova Evo canned.  Canned food is preferable since it
is naturally lower in carbs (they have to add carbs to dry food ) and it
gives the cats the required moisture since they don't have a high thirst
drive (again see catinfo.org)   Also , the whole dry food helping their
teeth is a huge myth.  Too many cats have miserably horrible teeth because
they are on dry food. (cause many have horrid teeth on wet food too.  They
need to chew and rip at their food for a good cleaning, but regardless,
teeth cleaning is necessary)

Recommended reading..
http://www.catinfo.org/
http://www.catinfo.org/commercialcannedfoods.htm
http://www.felinediabetes.com/diabetic-cat-diets.htm
http://www.truecarnivores.com/catseat.shtml

(then there is the prey model of feeding that is gaining ground.. just
feeding whole carcasses to cats.. Pretty interesting, but I couldn't get my
cats involved..   Google should have a lot of info on it.)
Lisa - 15 Jun 2006 00:46 GMT
I feet mine a mix of Nutro Max Cat and Innova Evo.  They didn't like
Royal Canin.

They also get canned Fancy Feast, because they love it.

Lisa....  :-)
Owned by Birmans -- the Sacred Cat of Burma

> Ok, so if Iams and Science Diet are not the greatest thing
> to feed your cat, then recommend a food you prefer.
> Open to any & all suggestions.
>
> Janna
rgo90 - 15 Jun 2006 07:40 GMT
Hi Janna   First check the corn products ratio in the food.  Better foods
like  Kitchen soup for the cat lovers soul, Finidades, and Nutro complete,
have minimal corn products.  Corn is bad.  Most big commercial brands are
loaded with corn.   Try to minimize it as much as possible for a healthier
cat.   rg

>Ok, so if Iams and Science Diet are not the greatest thing
>to feed your cat, then recommend a food you prefer.
>Open to any & all suggestions.
>
>Janna
Creweser - 15 Jun 2006 15:02 GMT
> Ok, so if Iams and Science Diet are not the greatest thing
> to feed your cat, then recommend a food you prefer.
> Open to any & all suggestions.
>
> Janna

Flint River Ranch..the very best..check it out.
 
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