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Self-cleaning litter boxes?
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Debbie - 01 Mar 2004 11:04 GMT Do these really work?
I have two cats and have our litter box in a 4'x4' mud room with just a cat door for the cats. When you open the door to go to the garage sometimes it is unbearable. Wondering if one of these would work for us.
Petmate Purrforma Plus LitterMaid Mega Omega Paw
Thanks, Debbie
XMar - 01 Mar 2004 14:41 GMT I have the LitterMaid Mega and its wonderful.
I have 3 cats (average size) ..I have had this LitterMaid for 4 1/2 years.
A few things you need to be aware. You do NEED a high quality premium CLUMPING litter. Even with that sometimes it will clump onto the rake. I just use a scooper to scrape it off.
Also DONT fill above the Maxium fill line..in fact fill it just below. Otherwise its too much litter for the rake to rake thru and you will have to scoop out the waste with the scoop.
People would never know that I have 3 cats. It reall controls oder because the waste is removed within 10 minuets.
The plastic waste recepticals. I dont just use one and then throw it out. I line it with a tee-shirt plastic bag (like the kind you get from the grocery store) and then throw out the bag
I love my littermaid. When it eventually dies I definately will get another one
Also consider getting the privacy tent if it doesnt come with one. It keeps the litter more contained as the cats scratch
> Do these really work? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks, > Debbie cross cat - 01 Mar 2004 22:33 GMT I am very pleased with my Littermaid Mega. The advice XMar provided will be very helpful should you decide to get this particular brand. Like you, I have two cats, so I thought I would share some information about my experiences with the box. I try to empty the receptacle about twice a week. At first I would empty it daily, but I soon realized that wasn't really necessary. I also completely replace the litter in the tray at least once a week. Your maintenance needs could be completely different from mine, of course.
I don't know that the device reduces labor significantly, it seems to me that it does, but its main appeal to me is that it controls odor magnificently. People visit my home and remark that it doesn't smell like two cats would be living there (and I live in a small space).
Good luck and be sure to let us know how it turns out.
Best Regards, Catherine
> I have the LitterMaid Mega and its wonderful. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Thanks, > > Debbie Debbie - 02 Mar 2004 03:04 GMT What are the top 2 brands of litter do you find best to use with it?
Thanks, Debbie
>I have the LitterMaid Mega and its wonderful. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> Thanks, >> Debbie XMar - 02 Mar 2004 14:53 GMT for me either arm and hammer super clump or fresh step super clump....I have to admit those are the only two that i have tried. there may be others
> What are the top 2 brands of litter do you find best to use with it? > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>Thanks, >>>Debbie Jennifer R. - 03 Mar 2004 03:13 GMT > What are the top 2 brands of litter do you find best to use with it? > > Thanks, > Debbie Nothing to add to the excellent reviews of the Littermaid, but I've had the best luck with Scoop Away litter. I've tried probably 10 different types, and in my experience this is by far the best... its the only kind that held the clump firmly while being raked--the others all seemed to kind of halfway dissolve and make a mess.
HTH, Jennifer
Debbie - 04 Mar 2004 07:33 GMT That's good to know.
Thanks, Debbie
>> What are the top 2 brands of litter do you find best to use with it? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >HTH, >Jennifer MaryL - 01 Mar 2004 14:58 GMT > Do these really work? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks, > Debbie If you mean there is odor from the litterbox, then the problem is that the box simply needs to be cleaned more often. My litterboxes are in the house, and there is no odor. I don't have any experience with automatic litterboxes, but scooping the existing boxes at least once a day should eliminate the problem.
I have read mixed reports from those who do use the automatic litterboxes -- from some users who think they are great and from some who found them to be "nothing but trouble." I *suspect* (but don't know for a certainty) that even the automatic ones would need to be maintained on a fairly regular schedule to avoid odor, jamming of the mechanism, etc.
MaryL
XMar - 01 Mar 2004 22:57 GMT I dont know about others, but I havent had a need to maintain mine very often. I have heard people cleaning off the sensors or totally replacing the litter etc. I have done neither with mine for I havent had the need....
I do occationally wipe it down but I dont put much fuss into mine.
I *suspect* (but don't know for a certainty) that
> even the automatic ones would need to be maintained on a fairly regular > schedule to avoid odor, jamming of the mechanism, etc. > > MaryL Jenn - 02 Mar 2004 00:01 GMT We also have 2 cats and it was my husband's job to clean the old litterbox. We "invested" in the Littermaid Automatic Litterbox December 2002 as a Christmas gift to ourselves and our 'kids'. We absolutely love it! We empty ours recepticles about 2 times per week with minimal other maintenance with little or no odor. We live in a 700 square foot house and other than one of the cats thinking she is a dog, you would not know they were there. Except of course for the fact that she scratches and pushes lots of litter onto the floor. I would recomend the privacy tent also to avoid the litter on the floor! Good luck and I think you will like it also!
> I dont know about others, but I havent had a need to maintain mine very > often. I have heard people cleaning off the sensors or totally replacing [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > MaryL cross cat - 02 Mar 2004 00:47 GMT I keep a gray (about the same shade as the kitty litter) rug under the box to catch the litter that escapes the box. When I change the litter box, I roll the rug into a cylinder shape and then shake the litter into the box. It works out pretty well. I'm thinking of getting a screen to hide the box, because it isn't exactly pretty (I've yet to see a pretty litterbox, though).
> We also have 2 cats and it was my husband's job to clean the old litterbox. > We "invested" in the Littermaid Automatic Litterbox December 2002 as a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > > > MaryL rpl - 02 Mar 2004 18:02 GMT > Do these really work? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks, > Debbie Hi Debbie,
A non-ventilated area ain't the best; it disgusts the cats, too, but 2 cats' ..err.. output, should be easily handled by a clumping litter: sifted daily, changed weekly (look for a more organic type: environment friendly); I'm not familiar with those specific products (different part of the world).
If you go the non-clumping route, throw some baking-soda or lime on the bottom to help alleviate the ammonia smell that will build up from urine and change the litter every day or two
Good place for a burglar-alarm though.
Pat
JoJo - 02 Mar 2004 21:08 GMT Never gave the self cleaners a try - and I've got numerous cats (7) so I do quite a bit of emptying. I have found that the "litter locker" does a great job of storing waste and keeping smells down. (think diaper genie for cat litter) You still have to do the scooping unfortunately.
Good luck in your quest.
> Do these really work? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks, > Debbie Debbie - 03 Mar 2004 03:16 GMT Our store around here has "Odor Lockers" but I have not heard of "Litter locker". Could it be the same? I was going to try some of that next. I don't like the smell of the clay litters, even when it's 99% dust free. I have tried both Swheat and World's best. And they are good, a bit more spendy.
How deep should you have the litter in the box. I usually put the whole box in so it's about 4" deep.
Thanks, Debbie
>Never gave the self cleaners a try - and I've got numerous cats (7) so I do >quite a bit of emptying. I have found that the "litter locker" does a great [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> Thanks, >> Debbie JoJo - 05 Mar 2004 00:21 GMT http://www.litterlocker.com/english/home.html
Debbie, above is the link for the Litter Locker - I found mine in Petco but I believe you can get it for a lot less at Target.
I've been using clumping, I use the least expensive that I can buy in the largest bags I can find (with 7 cats I go through a lot of litter). However I have found that the Fresh Step clumping with cedar smells so much nicer than others (I think they have the cedar in the clay litter too). The bag usually will tell you how much to use in the box. I just pour it in when needed, and I keep it pretty deep. If you make it too deep it can be difficult to scoop though.
> Our store around here has "Odor Lockers" but I have not heard of > "Litter locker". Could it be the same? I was going to try some of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Debbie Debbie - 07 Mar 2004 02:51 GMT OK, thx The Fresh Step. There is a clumping litter that is all cedar and then one that has cedar mixed with clay?.
Thanks, Debbie
>http://www.litterlocker.com/english/home.html > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> Thanks, >> Debbie JoJo - 07 Mar 2004 17:39 GMT I know the scoopable has the cedar in it for sure (I've bought it in the past). I thought I saw the clay with cedar in it, but I could be wrong. According to the web site is has real cedar chips in the litter (I couldn't see them, but I didn't really get an up close look, but it did smell much nicer than other litters I've tried).
> OK, thx > The Fresh Step. There is a clumping litter that is all cedar and then [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >> Thanks, > >> Debbie Debbie - 07 Mar 2004 20:23 GMT Thanks, I think I'll try it. I would be a nice scent to smell when opening the mud room door instead of a clay smell.
Debbie
>I know the scoopable has the cedar in it for sure (I've bought it in the >past). I thought I saw the clay with cedar in it, but I could be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> >> Thanks, >> >> Debbie XMar - 07 Mar 2004 21:10 GMT Debbie, Lets us know how it all works out for you. Its nice to hear when solutions work well.
:-)
> Thanks, I think I'll try it. I would be a nice scent to smell when > opening the mud room door instead of a clay smell. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Debbie Chyna9th1der21 - 13 Mar 2004 18:34 GMT I have been told by several people that have tried the self cleaning litter boxes that they are bad...I have read several articles where cats have lost their legs from the box sensor malfunctioning. I would NOT recomend one of these boxes to anyone who loves their cat
F. Robert Falbo - 17 Mar 2004 01:09 GMT > I have been told by several people that have tried the self cleaning litter > boxes that they are bad...I have read several articles where cats have lost > their legs from the box sensor malfunctioning. I would NOT recommend one of > these boxes to anyone who loves their cat Rubbish! I have 2 LitterMaids, 1 Purrforma (modified by me), and a regular old cat box in use. Most of the LitterMaids have been in use for 1-2 years or more, and the Performa for slightly less than a year, and have never had an injury to any of my cats.
The LitterMaid has a "crash bar" on the return side of the rake mechanism that reverses direction if it comes in contact with an object, while the Purrforma lacks this feature (though it's slower speed rake might make up for it in some way) Neither one will stop the rake via IR sensor. (I could be wrong, but they don't claim to, and in my test - using a book, they didn't. I think that should be a standard safety feature.)
None of the automatic boxes have suffered from motor burnout, but one LitterMaid broke the flexible motor wire, which spools out with the rake.
If the LitterMaid boxes have failings, I'd list them as: 1. The rake is difficult to remove & clean (not really meant to be removed) 2. They are a bit noisier than the Purrforma, though they rake faster. 3. The motor wire is a weak point in the design.
..As for the Purrforma...Whoofff!... 1. The stock rake is too vertical, and at the end of its sweep, isn't even far enough over the tray to completely push the poop into it - some just sits there on the edge of the tray obstructing the tray lid. 2. The tray lid actually hits the outside cover of the box before it is completely open, binding on it and dogging the motor. (Did these people actually try their own product?) 3. The motor is under powered. Before I modified the box I have, the rake would actually stop just trying to get up the ramp by itself, let alone try to push a poop up too! 4. Poor fit of the outside cover. The locking slides on each side don't even slide far enough into the cover to lock it - another case of "did they even look at their own product?" 5. After a short period of use, the rake starts to bind on the metal guides it is supposed to slide in.
..Mods I did to my Purrforma to make it work better (if you didn't get your money back already)... 1. Bend the teeth of the rake towards the poop tray so that they all protrude about 1/8" to 1/4" past the edge when the rake is at the end of its travel. 2. Use some grease on the vertical slides that the rake goes up and down in- it'll make life much easier on you and the motor. (I even put a little grease along the length of the plastic ridge the rake slides on.) 3. Mark the sides of the outside cover (not the tray lid) where the tray lid first makes contact with it, and with a utility knife CAREFULLY trim off the vertical plastic molding from there to the end, leaving just the flat, horizontal surface. It'll reduce the binding quite a bit, and give the motor a bit more power!
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XMar - 17 Mar 2004 01:36 GMT I have never heard of an animal (or read) being hurt by self cleaning litter boxes.
I would have to see this documented to believe it. Otherwise its nothing more than an urban legend/myth
Hell I would expect that the companies would be facing law suits brought on by pet owners if their animals had been injured
>>I have been told by several people that have tried the self cleaning litter >>boxes that they are bad...I have read several articles where cats have lost >>their legs from the box sensor malfunctioning. I would NOT recommend one of >>these boxes to anyone who loves their cat
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