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Debbie - 01 Mar 2004 11:04 GMT
Do these really work?

I have two cats and have our litter box in a 4'x4' mud room with just
a cat door for the cats. When you open the door to go to the garage
sometimes it is unbearable. Wondering if one of these would work for
us.

Petmate Purrforma Plus
LitterMaid Mega
Omega Paw

Thanks,
Debbie
XMar - 01 Mar 2004 14:41 GMT
I have the LitterMaid Mega and its wonderful.

I have 3 cats (average size) ..I have had this LitterMaid for 4 1/2 years.

A few things you need to be aware.
You do NEED a high  quality premium CLUMPING litter.
Even with that sometimes it will clump onto the rake. I just use a
scooper to scrape it off.

Also DONT fill above the Maxium fill line..in fact fill it just below.
Otherwise its too much litter for the rake to rake thru and you will
have to scoop out the waste with the scoop.

People would never know that I have 3 cats. It reall controls oder
because the waste is removed within 10 minuets.

The plastic waste recepticals. I dont just use one and then throw it
out. I line it with a tee-shirt plastic bag (like the kind you get from
the grocery store) and then throw out the bag

I love my littermaid. When it eventually dies I definately will get
another one

Also consider getting the privacy tent if it doesnt come with one. It
keeps the litter more contained as the cats scratch

> Do these really work?
>
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> Thanks,
> Debbie
cross cat - 01 Mar 2004 22:33 GMT
I am very pleased with my Littermaid Mega.  The advice XMar provided will be
very helpful should you decide to get this particular brand.  Like you, I
have two cats, so I thought I would share some information about my
experiences with the box.
I try to empty the receptacle about twice a week.  At first I would empty it
daily, but I soon realized that wasn't really necessary.  I also completely
replace the litter in the tray at least once a week.  Your maintenance needs
could be completely different from mine, of course.

I don't know that the device reduces labor significantly, it seems to me
that it does, but its main appeal to me is that it controls odor
magnificently.  People visit my home and remark that it doesn't smell like
two cats would be living there (and I live in a small space).

Good luck and be sure to let us know how it turns out.

Best Regards,
Catherine

> I have the LitterMaid Mega and its wonderful.
>
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> > Thanks,
> > Debbie
Debbie - 02 Mar 2004 03:04 GMT
What are the top 2 brands of litter do you find best to use with it?

Thanks,
Debbie



>I have the LitterMaid Mega and its wonderful.
>
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>> Thanks,
>> Debbie
XMar - 02 Mar 2004 14:53 GMT
for me either arm and hammer super clump or fresh step super clump....I
have to admit those are the only two that i have tried. there may be others

> What are the top 2 brands of litter do you find best to use with it?
>
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>>>Thanks,
>>>Debbie
Jennifer R. - 03 Mar 2004 03:13 GMT
> What are the top 2 brands of litter do you find best to use with it?
>
> Thanks,
> Debbie

Nothing to add to the excellent reviews of the Littermaid, but I've had the
best luck with Scoop Away litter.  I've tried probably 10 different types,
and in my experience this is by far the best... its the only kind that held
the clump firmly while being raked--the others all seemed to kind of halfway
dissolve and make a mess.

HTH,
Jennifer
Debbie - 04 Mar 2004 07:33 GMT
That's good to know.

Thanks,
Debbie

>> What are the top 2 brands of litter do you find best to use with it?
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>HTH,
>Jennifer
MaryL - 01 Mar 2004 14:58 GMT
> Do these really work?
>
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> Thanks,
> Debbie

If you mean there is odor from the litterbox, then the problem is that the
box simply needs to be cleaned more often.  My litterboxes are in the house,
and there is no odor.  I don't have any experience with automatic
litterboxes, but scooping the existing boxes at least once a day should
eliminate the problem.

I have read mixed reports from those who do use the automatic litterboxes --
from some users who think they are great and from some who found them to be
"nothing but trouble."  I *suspect* (but don't know for a certainty) that
even the automatic ones would need to be maintained on a fairly regular
schedule to avoid odor, jamming of the mechanism, etc.

MaryL
XMar - 01 Mar 2004 22:57 GMT
I dont know about others, but I havent had a need to maintain mine very
often. I have heard people cleaning off the sensors or totally replacing
the litter etc. I have done neither with mine for I havent had the need....

I do occationally wipe it down but I dont put much fuss into mine.

  I *suspect* (but don't know for a certainty) that
> even the automatic ones would need to be maintained on a fairly regular
> schedule to avoid odor, jamming of the mechanism, etc.
>
> MaryL
Jenn - 02 Mar 2004 00:01 GMT
We also have 2 cats and it was my husband's job to clean the old litterbox.
We "invested" in the Littermaid Automatic Litterbox December 2002 as a
Christmas gift to ourselves and our 'kids'.  We absolutely love it!  We
empty ours recepticles about 2 times per week with minimal other maintenance
with little or no odor.  We live in a 700 square foot house and other than
one of the cats thinking she is a dog, you would not know they were there.
Except of course for the fact that she scratches and pushes lots of litter
onto the floor.  I would recomend the privacy tent also to avoid the litter
on the floor!
Good luck and I think you will like it also!
> I dont know about others, but I havent had a need to maintain mine very
> often. I have heard people cleaning off the sensors or totally replacing
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> >
> > MaryL
cross cat - 02 Mar 2004 00:47 GMT
I keep a gray (about the same shade as the kitty litter) rug under the box
to catch the litter that escapes the box.  When I change the litter box, I
roll the rug into a cylinder shape and then shake the litter into the box.
It works out pretty well.  I'm thinking of getting a screen to hide the box,
because it isn't exactly pretty (I've yet to see a pretty litterbox,
though).
> We also have 2 cats and it was my husband's job to clean the old litterbox.
> We "invested" in the Littermaid Automatic Litterbox December 2002 as a
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> > > MaryL
rpl - 02 Mar 2004 18:02 GMT
> Do these really work?
>
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> Thanks,
> Debbie

Hi Debbie,

A non-ventilated area ain't the best; it disgusts the cats, too, but 2
cats' ..err.. output, should be easily handled by a clumping litter:
sifted daily, changed weekly (look for a more organic type: environment
friendly); I'm not familiar with those specific products (different part
of the world).

If you go the non-clumping route, throw some baking-soda or lime on the
bottom to help alleviate the ammonia smell that will build up from urine
and change the litter every day or two

Good place for a burglar-alarm though.

Pat
JoJo - 02 Mar 2004 21:08 GMT
Never gave the self cleaners a try - and I've got numerous cats (7) so I do
quite a bit of emptying.  I have found that the "litter locker" does a great
job of storing waste and keeping smells down. (think diaper genie for cat
litter) You still have to do the scooping unfortunately.

Good luck in your quest.

> Do these really work?
>
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> Thanks,
> Debbie
Debbie - 03 Mar 2004 03:16 GMT
Our store around here has "Odor Lockers" but I have not heard of
"Litter locker".  Could it be the same?  I was going to try some of
that next.  I don't like the smell of the clay litters, even when it's
99% dust free.  I have tried both Swheat and World's best.  And they
are good, a bit more spendy.

How deep should you have the litter in the box.  I usually put the
whole box in so it's about 4" deep.

Thanks,
Debbie

>Never gave the self cleaners a try - and I've got numerous cats (7) so I do
>quite a bit of emptying.  I have found that the "litter locker" does a great
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>> Thanks,
>> Debbie
JoJo - 05 Mar 2004 00:21 GMT
http://www.litterlocker.com/english/home.html

Debbie,  above is the link for the Litter Locker - I found mine in Petco but
I believe you can get it for a lot less at Target.

I've been using clumping, I use the least expensive that I can buy in the
largest bags I can find (with 7 cats I go through a lot of litter).  However
I have found that the Fresh Step clumping with cedar smells so much nicer
than others (I think they have the cedar in the clay litter too).  The bag
usually will tell you how much to use in the box.  I just pour it in when
needed, and I keep it pretty deep.  If you make it too deep it can be
difficult to scoop though.

> Our store around here has "Odor Lockers" but I have not heard of
> "Litter locker".  Could it be the same?  I was going to try some of
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> Thanks,
> Debbie
Debbie - 07 Mar 2004 02:51 GMT
OK, thx
The Fresh Step. There is a clumping litter that is all cedar and then
one that has cedar mixed with clay?.  

Thanks,
Debbie

>http://www.litterlocker.com/english/home.html
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>> Thanks,
>> Debbie
JoJo - 07 Mar 2004 17:39 GMT
I know the scoopable has the cedar in it for sure (I've bought it in the
past).  I thought I saw the clay with cedar in it, but I could be wrong.
According to the web site is has real cedar chips in the litter (I couldn't
see them, but I didn't really get an up close look, but it did smell much
nicer than other litters I've tried).

> OK, thx
> The Fresh Step. There is a clumping litter that is all cedar and then
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> >> Thanks,
> >> Debbie
Debbie - 07 Mar 2004 20:23 GMT
Thanks, I think I'll try it.  I would be a nice scent to smell when
opening the mud room door instead of a clay smell.

Debbie

>I know the scoopable has the cedar in it for sure (I've bought it in the
>past).  I thought I saw the clay with cedar in it, but I could be wrong.
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>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Debbie
XMar - 07 Mar 2004 21:10 GMT
Debbie,
Lets us know how it all works out for you. Its nice to hear when
solutions work well.
:-)

> Thanks, I think I'll try it.  I would be a nice scent to smell when
> opening the mud room door instead of a clay smell.
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>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Debbie
Chyna9th1der21 - 13 Mar 2004 18:34 GMT
I have been told by several people that have tried the self cleaning litter
boxes that they are bad...I have read several articles where cats have lost
their legs from the box sensor malfunctioning. I would NOT recomend one of
these boxes to anyone who loves their cat
F. Robert Falbo - 17 Mar 2004 01:09 GMT
> I have been told by several people that have tried the self cleaning litter
> boxes that they are bad...I have read several articles where cats have lost
> their legs from the box sensor malfunctioning. I would NOT recommend one of
> these boxes to anyone who loves their cat

Rubbish!  I have 2 LitterMaids, 1 Purrforma (modified by me), and a regular old
cat box in use.  Most of the LitterMaids have been in use for 1-2 years or
more, and the Performa for slightly less than a year, and have never had an
injury to any of my cats.  

The LitterMaid has a "crash bar" on the return side of the rake mechanism that
reverses direction if it comes in contact with an object, while the Purrforma
lacks this feature (though it's slower speed rake might make up for it in some
way)  Neither one will stop the rake via IR sensor. (I could be wrong, but they
don't claim to, and in my test - using a book, they didn't. I think that should
be a standard safety feature.)

None of the automatic boxes have suffered from motor burnout, but one
LitterMaid broke the flexible motor wire, which spools out with the rake.

If the LitterMaid boxes have failings, I'd list them as:
1.  The rake is difficult to remove & clean (not really meant to be removed)
2.  They are a bit noisier than the Purrforma, though they rake faster.
3.  The motor wire is a weak point in the design.

..As for the Purrforma...Whoofff!...
1.  The stock rake is too vertical, and at the end of its sweep, isn't even far
enough over the tray to completely push the poop into it - some just sits there
on the edge of the tray obstructing the tray lid.
2.  The tray lid actually hits the outside cover of the box before it is
completely open, binding on it and dogging the motor. (Did these people
actually try their own product?)
3.  The motor is under powered.  Before I modified the box I have, the rake
would actually stop just trying to get up the ramp by itself, let alone try to
push a poop up too!
4.  Poor fit of the outside cover.  The locking slides on each side don't even
slide far enough into the cover to lock it - another case of "did they even
look at their own product?"
5.  After a short period of use, the rake starts to bind on the metal guides it
is supposed to slide in.

..Mods I did to my Purrforma to make it work better (if you didn't get your
money back already)...
1.  Bend the teeth of the rake towards the poop tray so that they all protrude
about 1/8" to 1/4" past the edge when the rake is at the end of its travel.
2.  Use some grease on the vertical slides that the rake goes up and down in-
it'll make life much easier on you and the motor. (I even put a little grease
along the length of the plastic ridge the rake slides on.)
3.  Mark the sides of the outside cover (not the tray lid) where the tray lid
first makes contact with it, and with a utility knife CAREFULLY trim off the
vertical plastic molding from there to the end, leaving just the flat,
horizontal surface.  It'll reduce the binding quite a bit, and give the motor a
bit more power!

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XMar - 17 Mar 2004 01:36 GMT
I have never heard of an animal (or read) being hurt by self cleaning
litter boxes.

I would have to see this documented to believe it.
Otherwise its nothing more than an urban legend/myth

Hell I would expect that the companies would be facing law suits brought
on by pet owners if their animals had been injured

>>I have been told by several people that have tried the self cleaning litter
>>boxes that they are bad...I have read several articles where cats have lost
>>their legs from the box sensor malfunctioning. I would NOT recommend one of
>>these boxes to anyone who loves their cat
 
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