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Cat Forum / General Topics / May 2006help with identifying coloration?
Greetings, Have always wondered about the coloration of our 9 year old female. I'm not one to boast about our pets, or ask nagging questions, but her coloration was always a bit odd to me. What I do know, her mother was a pure (non-white), Tortoiseshell American Shorthair, she seems to be an American Longhair. Her fur gets really brownish in the summer, and really grayish in the winter. Other than that, here are a few pics, if any of the experts out there can help me out: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/valhuen/BBY3.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/valhuen/BBY2.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/valhuen/BBY1.jpg She wasn't in the most cooperative of moods today :-) Many thanks, Paul > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Paul She looks like a "MIX" to me. Sweet face. MLB im not sure what coloration i would call her but she sure is a beautiful cat , also very unique in color She looks a little like our Rainbow. She is a long-haired Tortie. Although I think she is a little more long-haired than yours. But, its a little hard to tell in your pic. BTW...she is cute!!!  SignatureEach day do something nice for someone other than yourself. You'll be surprised at how happy you will feel. > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Paul >She looks a little like our Rainbow. She is a long-haired Tortie. Although I >think she is a little more long-haired than yours. But, its a little hard to >tell in your pic. BTW...she is cute!!! I think there's enough white to make her a calico - there may be stripes, in which she might be a dilute calico tabby. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Hmmm...she doesnt look calico to me...but, who am I to say differently. SignatureEach day do something nice for someone other than yourself. You'll be surprised at how happy you will feel. > >>She looks a little like our Rainbow. She is a long-haired Tortie. Although [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I think there's enough white to make her a calico - there may be > stripes, in which she might be a dilute calico tabby. >Hmmm...she doesnt look calico to me...but, who am I to say differently. Well, the white could be just photographic overexposure, leaving a dilute tortie or tortoise shell tabby. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) I'd say she's a tortise shell like mine. Here's a picture. The vet classified her as a short hair domestic tortise shell. Yours has other colors obviously, but the patterns look the same. Beth http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e154/beth628/DSCN0262.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e154/beth628/DSCN0362.jpg Cute pics. Rainbow is the splitting image to the original poster's cat. SignatureEach day do something nice for someone other than yourself. You'll be surprised at how happy you will feel. > I'd say she's a tortise shell like mine. Here's a picture. The vet > classified her as a short hair domestic tortise shell. Yours has other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e154/beth628/DSCN0362.jpg > I'd say she's a tortise shell like mine. Here's a picture. The vet > classified her as a short hair domestic tortise shell. Yours has other > colors obviously, but the patterns look the same. > > Beth Beth, My thanks to you and everyone else that replied, I do appreciate it. Yep, they do look very similar, same patters, except replace the white with different shades of gray, and add a whole lot more fur! You have a real cutie there, I really love Torties, we had a pure brown/black shorthair Tortie from the same litter as our other that passed away last year, and have been thinking about adopting another, although as we well know they can never be replaced.... Again my thanks, off to brush the beast! ;-) Paul >> I'd say she's a tortise shell like mine. Here's a picture. The vet >> classified her as a short hair domestic tortise shell. Yours has other [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >they do look very similar, same patters, except replace the white with >different shades of gray, and add a whole lot more fur! If she is a tortie with white, she's a calico. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) >>> I'd say she's a tortise shell like mine. Here's a picture. The vet >>> classified her as a short hair domestic tortise shell. Yours has other [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > If she is a tortie with white, she's a calico. I'm not an expert, but are you sure about that? My tortie has white on her and the vet still classified her as a tortie and not a calico. It's my understanding that tortoise shell is a form of being a calico, but it's not the same. In case you didn't see the pics, here are some pics of my tortoise shell kitty. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e154/beth628/DSCN0262.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e154/beth628/DSCN0362.jpg >>> I'd say she's a tortise shell like mine. Here's a picture. The vet >>> classified her as a short hair domestic tortise shell. Yours has other [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > If she is a tortie with white, she's a calico. Ok, I looked it up. According to a site about Maryland's state cat (who knew such a thing existed?), the calico, to be a true calico the cat must be tri-color with distinct patches of color and not mixed, as with the tortoise shell cat. So, the OP's cat barely looks to have three colors and the colors are definitely mixed. Therefore, it doesn't matter if there's white. Tortoise shell cats can have white. It's the number/kind of colors and the way the colors appear, patched or mixed, that matters. So, the OP's cat is definitely a tortoise shell. Although, after looking at the pictures on the site, I'm looking at my kitty again and wondering if she is closer to being a calico than I thought. The pics on the page look a lot like my Butterscotch!! But, she does have places where colors are mixed and places where they are very distinct, so I'm sure she's a tortoise shell. http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/01glance/symbols/html/cat.html Beth >>>> I'd say she's a tortise shell like mine. Here's a picture. The vet >>>> classified her as a short hair domestic tortise shell. Yours has other [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >where they are very distinct, so I'm sure she's a tortoise shell. >http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/01glance/symbols/html/cat.html By all the authorities I can find that seem to have some standing, a tortoise shell does *not* have white. Some allow a difference between calico, and 'tortoise shell and white'. In any case, it's the female manifestation of what would be a red tabby and white cat if male. The top two rows in <http://72.173.4.230:9000/tdavis/cats/03.jan/index.html> are pictures of a m/f pair of siblings with essentially the same color heredity. The bottom row is another m/f pair of siblings that show a couple of other things that can happen with red, white, and tabby: red tabby color point and apricot with a white tipped tail. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) >>>>> I'd say she's a tortise shell like mine. Here's a picture. The vet >>>>> classified her as a short hair domestic tortise shell. Yours has [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > other things that can happen with red, white, and tabby: red tabby > color point and apricot with a white tipped tail. Well, I'll believe my vet and his training when he says that my cat, who has large patches of white, is a tortoise shell. According to what I read, a calico has to have white, but there's nothing that says a tortie can't have white too. Mine isn't a calico because her three colors are mixed in places and not simply in patches. I guess you can believe what you want to, but I'll believe my vet and what I've read. My cat (I've posted pics twice in this thread) has white, black, and orange and she is a tortie according to my vet and my cat sitter who has owned many calicos and torties. You aren't going to change my mind, so I guess we can stop the conversation.
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