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Cat rejecting her litter box
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G Burton - 03 May 2006 05:15 GMT My cat is 9 years old. She has always been very good about using the litter box until recently. Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on the hardwood floor about 3 feet from her open litter box.
For years, I have spayed her litter box with bleach and mixed it in just after I cleaned it (once a day) to kill the odor and bacteria.
9 out of 10 times, she still uses her litter box, but I really don't like the exceptions. I know I will have to replace her someday. This makes me wonder if I should hasten the process.
I have tried: * Stopped using the bleach * Taking the cover off the litter box. That seemed to help for a while, but she still does it. * Squirting a mixture of water, alcohol, and fabric softener on her favorite spots. * Rubbing her nose in it and spanker her while saying "No, No No".
Nothing is working. Can anyone help?
 Signature Gary Burton
Catlover Medway - 03 May 2006 12:35 GMT Please don't rub her nose in her urine or faeces or punish her - she won't understand. First and foremost, you need to take her to a vet. Age can be a factor in 'near misses' as can stress (which can bring on cystitis).
I wouldn't recommend bleach as a cleaning solution for the litter tray, safer to use special pet disinfectant. Plus, use a proprietary product such as Simple Solution or Urine-off to clean the accidents, otherwise she will associate them as latrine areas and be driven to top them up. Once clean and dry, place a plate of catfood on those areas.
Has anything changed in her environment recently? Also, are the litter trays situated in a quiet area (I'd suggest you have at least two)?
Useful link here: http://www.fabcats.org/spraying.html
> My cat is 9 years old. She has always been very good about using the >litter box until recently. Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Nothing is working. Can anyone help? CadillacWoman - 03 May 2006 18:15 GMT After she's been to the vet, and if there is nothing physically wrong with her, get a new litter box and put new litter in it. Over time, the old box might have absorbed odors that are offensive to her--which might be why she used the box for a little while after you removed the top.
I agree with the other posters--hitting cats for any reason only teaches them to fear you. They cannot make the connection between your actions and their deed.
G Burton - 04 May 2006 03:03 GMT > Please don't rub her nose in her urine or faeces or punish her - she won't > understand. OK.
First and foremost, you need to take her to a vet. Age can be a
> factor in 'near misses' as can stress (which can bring on cystitis). I'll hold off on that for a while.
> I wouldn't recommend bleach as a cleaning solution for the litter tray, > safer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and > dry, place a plate of catfood on those areas. Got it! Will do! Bleach is off the agenda. I'll use the Urine-Off.
> Has anything changed in her environment recently? Also, are the litter > trays > situated in a quiet area (I'd suggest you have at least two)? I don't have a quiet area for her. I'll try a second litter box if I must.
> Useful link here: > http://www.fabcats.org/spraying.html Funkadyleik Spynwhanker - 03 May 2006 15:49 GMT Had a trip to the vet yet?
9 year old cat could start having issues that might cause stuff like that.
The "rubbing nose" only works on dogs. Cat's are not nearly as prone to "approval seeking" behavior as they are already the most important and best thing in the world.
> My cat is 9 years old. She has always been very good about using the > litter box until recently. Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Nothing is working. Can anyone help? G Burton - 04 May 2006 03:05 GMT > Had a trip to the vet yet? No. I don't believe in Vets until I have no other choice.
> 9 year old cat could start having issues that might cause stuff like that. > > The "rubbing nose" only works on dogs. Cat's are not nearly as prone to > "approval seeking" behavior as they are already the most important and > best thing in the world. Makes sense to me! I'm now a changed man.
Anna - 04 May 2006 03:17 GMT > No. I don't believe in Vets until I have no other choice. So if you had a urinary tract infection, you wouldn't go to the doctor and get something for it? Then why wouldn't you do the same for your cat? She could be in pain.
Dee - 05 May 2006 17:37 GMT << No. I don't believe in Vets until I have no other choice. >>
sigh... Gary, with all respect, please find that cat a good home.
Catgirl - 05 May 2006 20:03 GMT > << No. I don't believe in Vets until I have no other choice. >> > > sigh... Gary, with all respect, please find that cat a good home. __________________________ All great responses... I will also add another voice saying Please... don't hurt her... HELP her.
A vet visit with blood/urine testing etc. will show if she is having problems. It may be correctible with a few days' worth of antibiotics and possibly a specified diet. With this, she may then live for many more happy, pain free years.
I speak from experience on this. My little old one exhibited the same behavior. Turned out she had struvite crystals. This is a very painful condition. With the antibiotics and vet Rx diet, it cleared up, and she lived on to 19 happy years.
The expense is worth it. She's a living being, in *your care*. Think of what you spend on non-essentials all the time. Most people could book a cruise with that kind of money. Please take her to the vet.
Catgirl
Anna - 03 May 2006 18:17 GMT > My cat is 9 years old. She has always been very good about using the >litter box until recently. Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on Anytime a cat stops using the box, it's time for a vet visit. She could have a urinary tract infection and could be associating the litter box with pain; therefore, she goes elsewhere. I would suggest taking her in for a urinalysis. You may also want to think about getting her a blood profile; at 9 years old, that is when kidney disease, etc can be starting to happen.
> For years, I have spayed her litter box with bleach and mixed it in just >after I cleaned it (once a day) to kill the odor and bacteria. She should not be inhaling pure bleach, and it could turn her off from the box.
Squirting a mixture of water, alcohol, and fabric softener on
>her favorite spots. This won't work, you need to buy a product that is made specifically for getting rid of urine odor or she will return to the same spot over and over.
>Rubbing her nose in it and spanker her while saying "No, No No". Never do this; she won't know why you are doing it.
G Burton - 04 May 2006 03:08 GMT You agree with the other postings. Thanks!
I'm resisting the Vet suggestion, but all others seem appropriate.
>> My cat is 9 years old. She has always been very good about using the >>litter box until recently. Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Never do this; she won't know why you are doing it. Judy - 04 May 2006 03:53 GMT Why are you resisting the Vet suggestions?
> You agree with the other postings. Thanks! > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> Never do this; she won't know why you are doing it. ~*Connie*~ - 04 May 2006 11:08 GMT Maybe one more voice will help. This cat NEEDS to go to the vet. The only reason you are holding out is because the cat is designed to hide illness and disease. Often by the time most causal cat owners think that a cat should go to the vet the problem is many times worse than it would have been if they had gone at the first symptoms - and thus a LOT more money.
Your cat is female.. which is to your benifit here. If she has urinary crystals, she is a little less likely to block than a male cat.. however it is possible. Crystals are just that, actual crystals in the urine. They are painful in general when the cat urinates and can layer and block your cat so it can no longer go pee. . If she blocks, the cat can no longer eliminate the toxins in its system and will die in a very short amount of time. Most cat owners aren't even aware of problems until the cat can no longer stand because they are so weak. But interview them, and you'll find that the cats have been urinating around the house, and or been off their food.
She might not have crystals.. (but you won't know with out a vet visit) she could have a urinary tract infection. This too is mightly uncomfortable.
At nine years of age, she is starting to become an elder cat. In human years think about 53. things start to not work as well as they used to. Even if everything is perfectly fine, it is recommended to have vet visits twice a year to keep an eye out for all the medical issues facing the elderly
Your cat can not walk up to you and say "excuse me, Im really not feeling all that well.. could we go to the doctor?" Going off food and inappropriate eliminations are her only ways of communicating a health issue. listen to her.
CadillacWoman - 05 May 2006 00:52 GMT I'm getting the feeling that the original poster is too cheap to take her poor cat to the vet. She wants a cheap, quick fix. If that isn't available, she's willing to let the cat suffer and die.
G Burton - 13 May 2006 16:38 GMT I took my cat to the vet. She is on medication now for a bladder infection, but the vet didn't say anything about "crystals".
I am teachable, as you can see. I appreciate your post and all but a couple of the others.
CadilladWoman called me "cheap", and I guess there is some truth to that. I tend to put vets, MDs and lawyers, all in the same category of money-takers that often don't do anything useful -- never in the case of lawyers. This also seemed like more of a behavior problem than a medical problem.
I also keep thinking of the poor little kittens at the Humane Society that will get destroyed if someone doesn't save them. That makes it easy for me to let them destroy my cat in exchange for another that would have otherwise been destroyed. I know that must sound horrible to you, but it makes good sense to me.
I was starting to bend your way, regardless of how logical my argument is about the poor kitten at the Humane Society that. I know I was bending because I asked my wife to read your post, knowing full-well how she would react. She reacted and insisted that we take Sneakers to the vet. I was actually relieved. The fact is that Sneakers is not only the most loving cat I ever owned -- she's the most loving cat I have ever seen anywhere and I just love her.
So, I guess that little kitten at the Humane Society will just get flushed away. Sneakers is taking her place here.
> Maybe one more voice will help. This cat NEEDS to go to the vet. The > only reason you are holding out is because the cat is designed to hide [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > inappropriate eliminations are her only ways of communicating a health > issue. listen to her. Anna - 13 May 2006 19:07 GMT >I took my cat to the vet. She is on medication now for a bladder >infection, but the vet didn't say anything about "crystals". That is great to hear! (not that she has an infection but that you took her in). You may want to have a blood profile done to see how her kidneys are doing later. I have a kitty that was diagnosed with kidney disease at 9 and she is still doing well at 13.
> I am teachable, as you can see. I appreciate your post and all but a >couple of the others. Thanks for being open-minded and "teachable".
>that. I tend to put vets, MDs and lawyers, all in the same category of >money-takers that often don't do anything useful -- never in the case of >lawyers. This also seemed like more of a behavior problem than a medical Most vets go to school and become one because they love animals. Sure, there may be some ruthless ones, but more often than not, they just want to help your pet and of course that comes at a price. They have to make a living. There are good docs and bad docs, just get a good one.
>I also keep thinking of the poor little kittens at the Humane Society >that will get destroyed if someone doesn't save them. That makes it easy >for me to let them destroy my cat in exchange for another that would have >otherwise been destroyed. I know that must sound horrible to you, but it >makes good sense to me. I don't know what to say about this. But when we get our pets, we make a promise to them to take care of them as well as we can. If they are sick, it is our responsibility to try and make them better. Yes, animals at the shelters will die if our pets live to ripe old ages, but is it fair to put down our pets if they aren't very sick just to make room for others. I understand where you're coming from though.
>actually relieved. The fact is that Sneakers is not only the most loving >cat I ever owned -- she's the most loving cat I have ever seen anywhere and >I just love her. Which is why you took care of her, cause you love the little thing.
>So, I guess that little kitten at the Humane Society will just get >flushed away. Sneakers is taking her place here. What would help even more is if everyone would spay/neuter their pets, then there would be less animals being put down at the shelters. There's so many cats and dogs being born and not enough homes for them. Very sad.
csmit41@kc.rr.com - 14 May 2006 15:38 GMT If you want to save a cat/kitten from a shelter then go do it, but not at the expense of your own cat. I am amazed at your comments. Since cats don't speak english, they can't tell you when they are ill or in your cat's case, peeing crystals (which is like peeing razor blades from what I've heard from humans who've had crystals in their urine). The only way cats can communicate their illness is through BEHAVIOR. So, yes, she was BEHAVING differently, but because she had a MEDICAL problem.
Your distrust of vets perplexes me. I realize not every single professional out there is competent but to deny your ailing cat medical attention because of your generalization about all vets is abusive. You denied your cat medical attention and she suffered because of that. Try to imagine if you had a bladder infection, felt awful, and whenever you urinated it felt like your were peeing razor blades, and your wife refused to take you to the doctor because she felt all doctors were money-grubbing idiots. If your wife then decided that she would let you die because she wanted a new husband, she would be arrested and charged with murder. Why do you place so little value on your cat? Is it because she's "just" a cat to you? You said she's loving, then how could you say such callous things about her.... that her issue was behavioral not medical, that you didn't want to take her to the vet because you don't trust vets, that you'd let her die so you could save a kitten from being put down in a shelter. Shame on you.
If you don't like the fact that shelters put animals down just because they don't get adopted, then do something about it. But don't create an "opening" for a new pet in your home by neglecting your own cat until she dies. Once you took in your cat, you took on the responsibility for her care, including healthcare and costs. Based on your comments and actions, I am really concerned for your cat's safety. I hope that as she grows older and becomes ill again, which is likely, that you will be more compassionate.
I commend you on finally taking her to the vet. I think everyone who's read your message hopes you continue to take care of your cat, and will be quicker to take her to the vet next time should any new illnesses or injuries occur rather than begrudgingly see that as an opportunity to save a "poor little kitten" from being destroyed.
> I took my cat to the vet. She is on medication now for a bladder > infection, but the vet didn't say anything about "crystals". [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >> inappropriate eliminations are her only ways of communicating a health >> issue. listen to her. Dee - 05 May 2006 17:36 GMT I have tried:
> * Stopped using the bleach > * Taking the cover off the litter box. That seemed to help for a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nothing is working. Can anyone help? Rub her NOSE in it? Spanking her?? How vile. It's almost as if you think she's doing it as a personal affront to you. NO animal deserves such treatment. If your child had a kidney infection and repeatedly urinated in his/her bed, would you rub his/her nose in it and spank him/her? GRRR!!!!! Take her to the vet.
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