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G Burton - 03 May 2006 05:15 GMT
   My cat is 9 years old.  She has always been  very good about using the
litter box until recently.  Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on
the hardwood floor about 3 feet from her open litter box.

   For years, I have spayed her litter box with bleach and mixed it in just
after I cleaned it (once a day) to kill the odor and bacteria.

   9 out of 10 times, she still uses her litter box, but I really don't
like the exceptions.  I know I will have to replace her someday.  This makes
me wonder if I should hasten the process.

   I have tried:
       *    Stopped using the bleach
       *    Taking the cover off the litter box.  That seemed to help for a
while, but she still does it.
       *    Squirting a mixture of water, alcohol, and fabric softener on
her favorite spots.
       *    Rubbing her nose in it and spanker her while saying "No, No
No".

   Nothing is working.  Can anyone help?
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Catlover Medway - 03 May 2006 12:35 GMT
Please don't rub her nose in her urine or faeces or punish her - she won't
understand. First and foremost, you need to take her to a vet. Age can be a
factor in 'near misses' as can stress (which can bring on cystitis).

I wouldn't recommend bleach as a cleaning solution for the litter tray, safer
to use special pet disinfectant. Plus, use a proprietary product such as
Simple Solution or Urine-off to clean the accidents, otherwise she will
associate them as latrine areas and be driven to top them up. Once clean and
dry, place a plate of catfood on those areas.

Has anything changed in her environment recently? Also, are the litter trays
situated in a quiet area (I'd suggest you have at least two)?

Useful link here:
http://www.fabcats.org/spraying.html

>    My cat is 9 years old.  She has always been  very good about using the
>litter box until recently.  Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on
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>
>    Nothing is working.  Can anyone help?
CadillacWoman - 03 May 2006 18:15 GMT
After she's been to the vet, and if there is nothing physically wrong
with her, get a new litter box and put new litter in it. Over time, the
old box might have absorbed odors that are offensive to her--which
might be why she used the box for a little while after you removed the
top.

I agree with the other posters--hitting cats for any reason only
teaches them to fear you. They cannot make the connection between your
actions and their deed.
G Burton - 04 May 2006 03:03 GMT
> Please don't rub her nose in her urine or faeces or punish her - she won't
> understand.

   OK.

First and foremost, you need to take her to a vet. Age can be a
> factor in 'near misses' as can stress (which can bring on cystitis).

   I'll hold off on that for a while.

> I wouldn't recommend bleach as a cleaning solution for the litter tray,
> safer
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> and
> dry, place a plate of catfood on those areas.

   Got it!  Will do!  Bleach is off the agenda.  I'll use the Urine-Off.

> Has anything changed in her environment recently? Also, are the litter
> trays
> situated in a quiet area (I'd suggest you have at least two)?

   I don't have a quiet area for her.  I'll try a second litter box if I
must.

> Useful link here:
> http://www.fabcats.org/spraying.html
Funkadyleik Spynwhanker - 03 May 2006 15:49 GMT
Had a trip to the vet yet?

9 year old cat could start having issues that might cause stuff like that.

The "rubbing nose" only works on dogs.  Cat's are not nearly as prone to
"approval seeking" behavior as they are already the most important and best
thing in the world.

>    My cat is 9 years old.  She has always been  very good about using the
> litter box until recently.  Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on
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>
>    Nothing is working.  Can anyone help?
G Burton - 04 May 2006 03:05 GMT
> Had a trip to the vet yet?

   No.  I don't believe in Vets until I have no other choice.

> 9 year old cat could start having issues that might cause stuff like that.
>
> The "rubbing nose" only works on dogs.  Cat's are not nearly as prone to
> "approval seeking" behavior as they are already the most important and
> best thing in the world.

   Makes sense to me!  I'm now a changed man.
Anna - 04 May 2006 03:17 GMT
>    No.  I don't believe in Vets until I have no other choice.

So if you had a urinary tract infection, you wouldn't go to the doctor and
get something for it?  Then why wouldn't you do the same for your cat?  She
could be in pain.
Dee - 05 May 2006 17:37 GMT
<< No.  I don't believe in Vets until I have no other choice. >>

sigh...  Gary, with all respect, please find that cat a good home.
Catgirl - 05 May 2006 20:03 GMT
> << No.  I don't believe in Vets until I have no other choice. >>
>
> sigh...  Gary, with all respect, please find that cat a good home.
__________________________
All great responses... I will also add another voice saying Please...
don't hurt her... HELP her.

A vet visit with blood/urine testing etc. will show if she is having
problems.  It may be correctible with a few days' worth of antibiotics
and possibly a specified diet.  With this, she may then live for many
more happy, pain free years.

I speak from experience on this.  My little old one exhibited the same
behavior.  Turned out she had struvite crystals.  This is a very
painful condition.  With the antibiotics and vet Rx diet, it cleared
up, and she lived on to 19 happy years.

The expense is worth it.  She's a living being, in *your care*.  Think
of what you spend on non-essentials all the time.  Most people could
book a cruise with that kind of money.  Please take her to the vet.

Catgirl
Anna - 03 May 2006 18:17 GMT
>    My cat is 9 years old.  She has always been  very good about using the
>litter box until recently.  Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on

Anytime a cat stops using the box, it's time for a vet visit.  She could have
a urinary tract infection and could be associating the litter box with pain;
therefore, she goes elsewhere.  I would suggest taking her in for a
urinalysis.  You may also want to think about getting her a blood profile; at
9 years old, that is when kidney disease, etc can be starting to happen.

>    For years, I have spayed her litter box with bleach and mixed it in just
>after I cleaned it (once a day) to kill the odor and bacteria.

She should not be inhaling pure bleach, and it could turn her off from the
box.

Squirting a mixture of water, alcohol, and fabric softener on
>her favorite spots.

This won't work, you need to buy a product that is made specifically for
getting rid of urine odor or she will return to the same spot over and over.

>Rubbing her nose in it and spanker her while saying "No, No No".

Never do this; she won't know why you are doing it.
G Burton - 04 May 2006 03:08 GMT
   You agree with the other postings.  Thanks!

   I'm resisting the Vet suggestion, but all others seem appropriate.

>>    My cat is 9 years old.  She has always been  very good about using the
>>litter box until recently.  Now she pees in the closet hamper and poops on
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> Never do this; she won't know why you are doing it.
Judy - 04 May 2006 03:53 GMT
Why are you resisting the Vet suggestions?

>    You agree with the other postings.  Thanks!
>
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>>
>> Never do this; she won't know why you are doing it.
~*Connie*~ - 04 May 2006 11:08 GMT
Maybe one more voice will help.  This cat NEEDS to go to the vet.  The only
reason you are holding out is because the cat is designed to hide illness
and disease.  Often by the time most causal cat owners think that a cat
should go to the vet the problem is many times worse than it would have been
if they had gone at the first symptoms - and thus a LOT more money.

Your cat is female.. which is to your benifit here.  If she has urinary
crystals, she is a little less likely to block than a male cat.. however it
is possible.    Crystals are just that,  actual crystals in the urine.  They
are painful in general when the cat urinates and can layer and block your
cat so it can no longer go pee.  .  If she blocks, the cat can no longer
eliminate the toxins in its system and will die in a very short amount of
time.  Most cat owners aren't even aware of problems until the cat can no
longer stand because they are so weak.  But interview them, and you'll find
that the cats have been urinating around the house, and or been off their
food.

She might not have crystals.. (but you won't know with out a vet visit) she
could have a urinary tract infection. This too is mightly uncomfortable.

At nine years of age,  she is starting to become an elder cat.  In human
years think about 53.  things start to not work as well as they used to.
Even if everything is perfectly fine, it is recommended to have vet visits
twice a year to keep an eye out for all the medical issues facing the
elderly

Your cat can not walk up to you and say "excuse me, Im really not feeling
all that well.. could we go to the doctor?"  Going off food and
inappropriate eliminations are her only ways of communicating a health
issue.  listen to her.
CadillacWoman - 05 May 2006 00:52 GMT
I'm getting the feeling that the original poster is too cheap to take
her poor cat to the vet. She wants a cheap, quick fix. If that isn't
available, she's willing to let the cat suffer and die.
G Burton - 13 May 2006 16:38 GMT
   I took my cat to the vet.  She is on medication now for a bladder
infection, but the vet didn't say anything about "crystals".

   I am teachable, as you can see.  I appreciate your post and all but a
couple of the others.

   CadilladWoman called me "cheap", and I guess there is some truth to
that.  I tend to put vets, MDs and lawyers, all in the same category of
money-takers that often don't do anything useful --  never in the case of
lawyers.  This also seemed like more of a behavior problem than a medical
problem.

   I also keep thinking of the poor little kittens at the Humane Society
that will get destroyed if someone doesn't save them.  That makes it easy
for me to let them destroy my cat in exchange for another that would have
otherwise been destroyed.  I know that must sound horrible to you, but it
makes good sense to me.

   I was starting to bend your way, regardless of how logical my argument
is about the poor kitten at the Humane Society that.  I know I was bending
because I asked my wife to read your post, knowing full-well how she would
react.  She reacted and insisted that we take Sneakers to the vet.  I was
actually relieved.  The fact is that Sneakers is not only the most loving
cat I ever owned -- she's the most loving cat I have ever seen anywhere and
I just love her.

   So, I guess that little kitten at the Humane Society will just get
flushed away.  Sneakers is taking her place here.

> Maybe one more voice will help.  This cat NEEDS to go to the vet.  The
> only reason you are holding out is because the cat is designed to hide
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> inappropriate eliminations are her only ways of communicating a health
> issue.  listen to her.
Anna - 13 May 2006 19:07 GMT
>I took my cat to the vet.  She is on medication now for a bladder
>infection, but the vet didn't say anything about "crystals".

That is great to hear! (not that she has an infection but that you took her
in).  You may want to have a blood profile done to see how her kidneys are
doing later.  I have a kitty that was diagnosed with kidney disease at 9 and
she is still doing well at 13.

>    I am teachable, as you can see.  I appreciate your post and all but a
>couple of the others.

Thanks for being open-minded and "teachable".

>that.  I tend to put vets, MDs and lawyers, all in the same category of
>money-takers that often don't do anything useful --  never in the case of
>lawyers.  This also seemed like more of a behavior problem than a medical

Most vets go to school and become one because they love animals.  Sure, there
may be some ruthless ones, but more often than not, they just want to help
your pet and of course that comes at a price.  They have to make a living.
There are good docs and bad docs, just get a good one.

>I also keep thinking of the poor little kittens at the Humane Society
>that will get destroyed if someone doesn't save them.  That makes it easy
>for me to let them destroy my cat in exchange for another that would have
>otherwise been destroyed.  I know that must sound horrible to you, but it
>makes good sense to me.

I don't know what to say about this.  But when we get our pets, we make a
promise to them to take care of them as well as we can.  If they are sick, it
is our responsibility to try and make them better.   Yes, animals at the
shelters will die if our pets live to ripe old ages, but is it fair to put
down our pets if they aren't very sick just to make room for others.  I
understand where you're coming from though.

>actually relieved.  The fact is that Sneakers is not only the most loving
>cat I ever owned -- she's the most loving cat I have ever seen anywhere and
>I just love her.

Which is why you took care of her, cause you love the little thing.

>So, I guess that little kitten at the Humane Society will just get
>flushed away.  Sneakers is taking her place here.

What would help even more is if everyone would spay/neuter their pets, then
there would be less animals being put down at the shelters.  There's so many
cats and dogs being born and not enough homes for them.  Very sad.
csmit41@kc.rr.com - 14 May 2006 15:38 GMT
If you want to save a cat/kitten from a shelter then go do it, but not at
the expense of your own cat. I am amazed at your comments. Since cats don't
speak english, they can't tell you when they are ill or in your cat's case,
peeing crystals (which is like peeing razor blades from what I've heard from
humans who've had crystals in their urine). The only way cats can
communicate their illness is through BEHAVIOR. So, yes, she was BEHAVING
differently, but because she had a MEDICAL problem.

Your distrust of vets perplexes me. I realize not every single professional
out there is competent but to deny your ailing cat medical attention because
of your generalization about all vets is abusive. You denied your cat
medical attention and she suffered because of that. Try to imagine if you
had a bladder infection, felt awful, and whenever you urinated it felt like
your were peeing razor blades, and your wife refused to take you to the
doctor because she felt all doctors were money-grubbing idiots. If your wife
then decided that she would let you die because she wanted a new husband,
she would be arrested and charged with murder. Why do you place so little
value on your cat? Is it because she's "just" a cat to you? You said she's
loving, then how could you say such callous things about her.... that her
issue was behavioral not medical, that you didn't want to take her to the
vet because you don't trust vets, that you'd let her die so you could save a
kitten from being put down in a shelter. Shame on you.

If you don't like the fact that shelters put animals down just because they
don't get adopted, then do something about it. But don't create an "opening"
for a new pet in your home by neglecting your own cat until she dies. Once
you took in your cat, you took on the responsibility for her care, including
healthcare and costs. Based on your comments and actions, I am really
concerned for your cat's safety. I hope that as she grows older and becomes
ill again, which is likely, that you will be more compassionate.

I commend you on finally taking her to the vet. I think everyone who's read
your message hopes you continue to take care of your cat, and will be
quicker to take her to the vet next time should any new illnesses or
injuries occur rather than begrudgingly see that as an opportunity to save a
"poor little kitten" from being destroyed.

>    I took my cat to the vet.  She is on medication now for a bladder
> infection, but the vet didn't say anything about "crystals".
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>> inappropriate eliminations are her only ways of communicating a health
>> issue.  listen to her.
Dee - 05 May 2006 17:36 GMT
I have tried:
>         *    Stopped using the bleach
>         *    Taking the cover off the litter box.  That seemed to help for a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>     Nothing is working.  Can anyone help?

Rub her NOSE in it? Spanking her?? How vile. It's almost as if you think
she's doing it as a personal affront to you. NO animal deserves such
treatment. If your child had a kidney infection and repeatedly urinated in
his/her bed, would you rub his/her nose in it and spank him/her? GRRR!!!!!
Take her to the vet.
 
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