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Cat Forum / General Topics / March 2006Bird Flu
Right, that the bird flu would come to Europe was to be expected, officials warned about a pandemy, and it happened in 1957 and 1968. But what I did not expect is that they are talking about keeping the cats inside. I'm not at all against this, but I don't know how I could do that: Micky, 3, was born outside and he's hardly in the house unless it's cold winter. If he's locked inside he meows until you're ready for the loony bin. Elia, 1, poops into the house if he's locked inside. Tiffy, 1, would be the easiest to keep inside, but she would meow too. I could fence in a little area outside the kitchen. But I don't even know if this would be allowed. Any sensible suggestions if it *does* come to the worst? Well, I don't take the dog for walks along the lakeside anymore now. But this is relatively easy. carola ^..^ ~~ , =´`= ___ ) (_ Better to clean up a ton of poop and buy a good pair of ear plugs than to lose a beloved pet. Steve : Better to clean up a ton of poop and buy a good pair of ear plugs than : to lose a beloved pet. : : Steve Yes you have a point here. I've looked at catalogues and decided that I can fence in the area in front of my kitchen. The cats could be there when I'm at home and inside when I'm at work. (I might work more then ... my employer will like me for that.) It's frightening this bird flu though, and now that spring is coming in the birds will move over great distances. Poultry farmers might lose their existence. carola > Better to clean up a ton of poop and buy a good pair of ear plugs than > to lose a beloved pet. > > Steve That's rubbish - cats are outside animals. I cannot get over the possesive nature and control culture of this NG. Cats roam and hunt,play and climb trees outside and they are far happier. I have 5 of them and they could not survive inside. As for those who keep cats locked up in high-rise flats - how selfish. Tam >have 5 of them and they could not survive inside. As for those who keep cats >locked up in high-rise flats - how selfish. Cats can't survive inside? Hmm, I thought it was outside that killed a lot of them last time I checked. Yes, how selfish of us to keep our cats in high rises instead of letting them out into the heavy traffic below to get hit by cars. A cat who has never been outside does not know any better. He does not know that he is missing anything and is very content. Good luck with your cats running around outdoors. I AM PROUD TO BE SELFISH.. In the USA, how selfish of me being near a major highway that I want my cats to live a longer life. How selfish of me to keep them out of harm ways. How selfish of me wanting my animal friends to live a longer happier life. If that is selfish than I am proud to be selfish. Get a grip >> Better to clean up a ton of poop and buy a good pair of ear plugs than >> to lose a beloved pet. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tam > I AM PROUD TO BE SELFISH.. In the USA, how selfish of me being near a major > highway that I want my cats to live a longer life. How selfish of me to > keep them out of harm ways. How selfish of me wanting my animal friends to > live a longer happier life. If that is selfish than I am proud to be > selfish. Get a grip If you live near a major road DON'T HAVE CAT's!! That's the selfish bit. Would you keep a bird in a cage? Well maybe you would. Let them roam free or don't have one at all. Tam Get a grip on reality >If you live near a major road DON'T HAVE CAT's!! That's the selfish bit. >Would you keep a bird in a cage? Well maybe you would. Let them roam free or >don't have one at all. Are you for real?? Do you know how many cats wouldn't get homes if all of the adopters all had to live in the country??? NanCe > >If you live near a major road DON'T HAVE CAT's!! That's the selfish bit. > >Would you keep a bird in a cage? Well maybe you would. Let them roam free or > >don't have one at all. > > Are you for real?? Do you know how many cats wouldn't get homes if all of > the adopters all had to live in the country??? Who mentioned the country - I live in a city in a house with a garden.How many birds woudl die if we didn't lock them up too eh? I have seen cats in high rise flats - the smell is apalling and the poor cats spend all day staring out the window. Tam Who vote TROLL >Who mentioned the country - I live in a city in a house with a garden.How >many birds woudl die if we didn't lock them up too eh? I have seen cats in >high rise flats - the smell is apalling and the poor cats spend all day >staring out the window. Well, aren't you lucky! Some of us bums live near busy streets and in what you call "smelly" apartments with our "poor" cats staring out the window. Aren't you just the greatest for providing them with a house on a non-busy street. Wow, you're the best pet owner in the world! If only all of us bad cat owners could all be like you! NanCe > >Who mentioned the country - I live in a city in a house with a garden.How >>many birds woudl die if we didn't lock them up too eh? I have seen cats in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > NanCe Not in or on her luckiest day > Message posted via CatKB.com > http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cats/200603/1 This idiot is just a troll. Ignore him. > This idiot is just a troll. Ignore him. "Helpmaboab" Ok just making sure the reply came up under mine. Just making sure it was not me And I agree about the OP > "Helpmaboab" >> Better to clean up a ton of poop and buy a good pair of ear plugs than >> to lose a beloved pet. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Tam Tam: It is my considered opinion that YOU are the rubbish and perhaps have issues undefined. My two are very happily indoor only. They have two screen porches to observe what's going on in the world. But they are much safer. A neighbor down the street has a hound, a pit bull, and a Yorkie (go figure) that regularly get out of their fence. My cats are safer inside. Full stop. > >> Better to clean up a ton of poop and buy a good pair of ear plugs than > >> to lose a beloved pet. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > My cats are safer inside. Full stop. I used to live in a street full of dogs and it is worrying but cats can normally take care of themselves, they get to know here the dangers are.On the odd ocassion you hear of a cat being killed - but them again we hear of humans being killed too. In fact, though all my cats are free to roam, most of them stray very little from the Garden. Even when I lived in Glasgow in Scotland (in the city) our cat went out the back of the tenemant and climbed a few trees. They don't go far normally. I look at it this way, I would hate something to happen to any of my cats just as much as anybody else but I prefer them to have a happy life. Would you keep your children locked up all day too just in case they had an accident? Swaddle in cotton wool if you like but I doubt the cat will apreciate it.Now if you live next to a busy highway and you already have a cat them you have no option but to keep it inside - but don't get another one! Tam There is a difference between the USA and Scotland. The UK is a lot more pet friendlier than over here. >> >> Better to clean up a ton of poop and buy a good pair of ear plugs than >> >> to lose a beloved pet. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Tam Now if you live next to a busy : highway and you already have a cat them you have no option but to keep it : inside - but don't get another one! : : Tam *Do* have another one, so that they have company! It's great to be able to let cats roam, and it's possible to give cats a happy indoor life! It depends on the environment and circumstances! Why did all this indoor/outdoor talk come up again? The topic was keeping cats who are used to be outside inside because of the bird flu. carola > Now if you live next to a busy > : highway and you already have a cat them you have no option but to keep [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the > bird flu. You want to know why carola ask HelpmaBoab real name Tam for bring the subject back up according to her we are all selfish for keeping our friends safe > carola Per HelpmaBoab: > They don't go far normally. Probably depends on the cat and the territory. The neighbor's cat got hit by a car last year - banged up, but not seriously injured. Somebody stopped, picked it up, checked the collar tag, and took it home. What was interesting was that the road it got hit on was a good half-mile from it's home and it was a major road *and* it was crossing from the other side - i.e. it had been roaming further than that.  SignaturePeteCresswell You're the one with control issues, fool. If someone wants to take in a homeless cat and keep it indoors, all the while causing you not one iota of discomfort, I suggest you keep your braying mouth shut. >You're the one with control issues, fool. If someone wants to take in a >homeless cat and keep it indoors, all the while causing you not one >iota of discomfort, I suggest you keep your braying mouth shut. Well said! Succinct at its best! Ok, just going back to the topic of bird flu again, I think that the media has blown things all out of proportion. It's similar to what happened with SARS a few years ago. Apparanatly a quarter of the population were supposed to have died in the UK alone, but I don't think it even reached here in the end. People don't realise how resistant our bodies are to certain germs, bacteria, etc. Going abroad in sunny climates such as Greece, we saw flies buzing and landing on cooked meat that had been left outside. People still ate it. Per Frieda: >Ok, just going back to the topic of bird flu again, I think that the >media has blown things all out of proportion. It's similar to what >happened with SARS a few years ago. Apparanatly a quarter of the >population were supposed to have died in the UK alone, but I don't >think it even reached here in the end. They were able to contain SARS - I'm guessing because the vector was only people. OTOH H5N1 is spread by migratory birds. >People don't realise how resistant our bodies are to certain germs, >bacteria, etc. Going abroad in sunny climates such as Greece, we saw >flies buzing and landing on cooked meat that had been left outside. >People still ate it. That's part of the rub with H5N1: people's immune systems have never encountered anything like it. With regular flu, everybody's had one version or another and something called 'residual immunity' is present in most people to the extent that one version of human flu resembles another to some extent. When H5N1 mutates or rearranges to an efficiently human-to-human version, that's when the bad stuff begins. The 1918 flu circled the globe in a matter of months - and that was before air travel. Otherwise, a comparable situation: probably no residual immunity, high death rate. http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/avian_faqs/en/#areall SignaturePeteCresswell Ok, just going back to the topic of bird flu again, I think that the media has blown things all out of proportion. It's similar to what happened with SARS a few years ago. Apparanatly a quarter of the population were supposed to have died in the UK alone, but I don't think it even reached here in the end. People don't realise how resistant our bodies are to certain germs, bacteria, etc. Going abroad in sunny climates such as Greece, we saw flies buzing and landing on cooked meat that had been left outside. People still ate it.
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