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The Prodigal Cat
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Chris F. - 27 Feb 2006 23:53 GMT It's been almost four years since I adopted a pair of stray cats, that wandered onto our property one day with their mother and two other siblings. The others soon left, but these two stayed and decided to make this their home. But one disappeared a couple of years ago, leaving me with just the one cat. But he's been a very nice one, very affectionate and well-tempered for a stray. He's lived partly indoors and partly out, usually sleeping inside at night (often on a sofa or sharing someones bed), and coming in to nap several times during the day. No need for a litter box, as he always goes to the door when he needs out. Over the years, he's often gone away for as much as a day or two, presumably to hunt or go on the prowl. The most he ever stayed away for was three days, and that was during the warmth of spring. So when he went out last Thursday, in -20 degree weather and 6" of snow, and hadn't come back by Sunday, I was quite worried. Last night and this morning I spent some time calling neighbors around the small community, asking if anyone had seen him. Nobody was certain, but one lady who keeps numerous strays, said she thought she'd seen one like it among the gang of stray cats in her woodshed. I know for a fact this was where my cat originally came from as a kitten, so I decided to check there first. The owner led me out to the woodshed, the place was cold, full of cats (about 7 or 8 in all), and reeked of cat urine. I was only half-surprised, to find my cat sitting proudly in the middle of the group. He acknowledged me and allowed me to pick him up, but only for a moment, as he soon scrambled to chase after one of the others. The owner told me that all the other cats were female, and (presumably) in heat, which didn't surprise me at all. With seven horny females, and no other males to compete with, my cat must think he's in Heaven. The cats are fairly well-cared for, the lady feeds them regularly and all of the cats looked quite healthy - not at all like a hoard of feral cats several miles away, which I mentioned in a post last fall. But living in a cold woodshed, and having to fight 7 other cats for food, is still a far cry from having a personal foodbowl and sleeping in a warm house, at the foot of someones bed. While I'm grateful to have found him alive and well, I must say it hurts my feelings that this creature would all but disown me after the years of love and care I've given him. My biggest fear is that he may never return; that living among a bunch of feral cats could make him revert to that lifestyle. I'm not sure what my options are at this point. I didn't make any effort to bring him home, figuring he'd just run back there again. If he does return I will of course welcome him back, but I wish there was something I could do to keep him from running away again. I don't think it makes much difference how well he's treated, as long as there are females around he'll just continue to run off like this. Someone will probably suggest I have him neutered; I wouldn't mind having this done, but it would be impossible to get him to a vet, unless he were sedated for the entire trip - he won't travel in cars, and he's deathly afraid of all strangers. I also wonder if neutering could have any adverse effects, such as causing him to spray indoors, or perhaps even hate me for ruining his love life. Any advice on this matter would be appreciated. This is a rather complex issue and I don't think there are any easy answers.
Ted Davis - 28 Feb 2006 01:15 GMT <snip>
>Someone will probably suggest I have him >neutered; I wouldn't mind having this done, but it would be impossible to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Any advice on this matter would be appreciated. This is a rather complex >issue and I don't think there are any easy answers. If you can pick him up, you can grab him by the scruff of the neck and stuff him into a carrier without too much damage to yourself. If you have a cat, you need a strong carrier.
He does need to be neutered. This should have been done when he was a few months old.
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Callee - 28 Feb 2006 01:42 GMT You definitely need to have him fixed. If those females are also not fixed, you have single handedly allowed dozens of unwanted kittens to be conceived, only to end up living in that same cold shed or worse. Do the right thing, get him fixed. Ask your local animal shelter for help - if you pay for the procedure they may help you catch him.
> It's been almost four years since I adopted a pair of stray cats, that >wandered onto our property one day with their mother and two other siblings. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Any advice on this matter would be appreciated. This is a rather complex >issue and I don't think there are any easy answers. Chris F. - 28 Feb 2006 15:32 GMT > If those females are also not fixed, > you have single handedly allowed dozens of unwanted kittens to be conceived, I thought about that too, but the owner tells me that any kittens born there don't last long - raccoons keep snatching them. She said they had 7 litters of kittens last year at one time, and within a few weeks only two kittens remained. It isn't a very nice scenario for sure, but there are far worse ways for animals to die.... As I said before, it would be a huge ordeal to get my cat to a vet. The nearest vet is 25 miles away, and like I said he does not like cars. Yes I could use a carrier, but he would still be extremely scared throughout the trip. Not to mention meeting strangers at the vets office. The only solution, like I said, would be to have him sedated for the entire trip. Perhaps there's something I could get and put in his food?? But anyway, do you think he'll ever come home, or have I lost him for good this time? My fear is that he's having so much fun, he may never want to come home.
Niel Humphreys - 28 Feb 2006 15:45 GMT >> If those females are also not fixed, >> you have single handedly allowed dozens of unwanted kittens to be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > far > worse ways for animals to die.... Don't you think it would be better if they weren't born at all?
> As I said before, it would be a huge ordeal to get my cat to a vet. The > nearest vet is 25 miles away, and like I said he does not like cars. Most cats hate travelling. So you'd put being free from 20 mins of yowling over having around 30-40 kittens brutally eaten by racoons? Tell me - what breed of insect do you take after?
Yes I could use a carrier, but he would still be extremely scared throughout the
> trip. Not to mention meeting strangers at the vets office. The only > solution, like I said, would be to have him sedated for the entire trip. > Perhaps there's something I could get and put in his food?? Rubbish, he will get over it.
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whayface - 28 Feb 2006 17:47 GMT >>> If those females are also not fixed, >>> you have single handedly allowed dozens of unwanted kittens to be [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Rubbish, he will get over it. >- I think everyone is wasting their time trying to convince this ----- to do the right thing!! So what if 7 - 8 litters of kittens are killed each year by predators!!! At least he does not have to listen to a cat carry on while going to a vet!!
By the waste I fight with mine every time I have to put them in a carrier to see a vet which is every year for the four of them!!! Otherwise they are the most loving babies there are and they are all strictly indoors. In fact I ended up in the hospital with infection from one that bite me while trying to get it in carrier but I still got it to the vet!!!!
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Chris F. - 28 Feb 2006 18:46 GMT > Don't you think it would be better if they weren't born at all? Touche. But having my cat neutered still wouldn't solve the problem, as there are many more stray males around to keep the population growing. And this place is just one of at least three in the area, where cats are allowed to live and breed as they please. Are there any possible complications to neutering a 4-year-old cat? I know it should have been done years ago, but is it too late now?
whayface - 01 Mar 2006 02:08 GMT >> Don't you think it would be better if they weren't born at all? >> >Touche. But having my cat neutered still wouldn't solve the problem, as >there are many more stray males around to keep the population growing. And >this place is just one of at least three in the area, where cats are allowed >to live and breed as they please. That is like saying that someone is going to get killed in an auto accident so why should I drive carefull. I may as well go out and hit someone and kill them too!!
I am beginning to think this idiot is a troll trying to get a rise out of people!!!
Chris F. - 01 Mar 2006 15:04 GMT > I am beginning to think this idiot is a troll trying to get a rise out of people!!! And I'm beginning to think you're one of these tree-hugging animal rights activists.....
Patrick I. McCurry - 04 Mar 2006 13:22 GMT >> I am beginning to think this idiot is a troll trying to get a rise >> out of > people!!! > > And I'm beginning to think you're one of these tree-hugging animal > rights activists..... Yep. Troll.
AlexZ - 28 Feb 2006 19:20 GMT : As I said before, it would be a huge ordeal to get my cat to a vet. The : nearest vet is 25 miles away, and like I said he does not like cars. Yes I : could use a carrier, but he would still be extremely scared throughout the : trip. Not to mention meeting strangers at the vets office. All of this is normal. Heck, I drive my kids on such against their protest. He will get used to it. Ditto with combing, brushing teeth etc.
Ideally you should find other cat lovers in the area (take an ad in local or narby papers or web) and have the whole group spayed/neutered and adopted out. If that is not possible, then spayed/neutered and re-released.
Your heart is in the right place. You are just afraid it will be hassle. So it will, but well worth it.
whayface - 28 Feb 2006 13:59 GMT > It's been almost four years since I adopted a pair of stray cats, that >wandered onto our property one day with their mother and two other siblings. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Any advice on this matter would be appreciated. This is a rather complex >issue and I don't think there are any easy answers. From what you wrote you already know what needs to be done.
8 UNSPAYED FEMALES ?!?!?!?!? DO THE MATH AND SEE HOW MANY KITTENS ARE BEING PRODUCED!!! HE NEEDS TO BE NUETERED NOW!!!
Chris F. - 03 Mar 2006 00:07 GMT I got some advice from the vet today, and have decided that I will be getting my cat neutered within the next few weeks, even if I have to take him from his new "home" in a pet carrier. While friends and family warn me it's too much of a gamble (that the cat may get hit by a car later or something), I think I'd rather gamble $80 then worry about him every time he spends the night outdoors, fending for himself against the cold winter and wild animals. But it still isn't quite that easy. The vet said he has to lay low for a few days after the operation, and since he spends a lot of time outside, she suggested waiting until the weather warms up before having this done. It will certainly be quite a hassle, but like you say, it has to be done. I went to visit him for a while today, and observed something interesting while I was there. As I held my cat and gave him attention, some of the other (normally very shy) cats started coming up to me and allowing me to pet them. Perhaps they were curious to see what it felt like? I'd appreciate any advice on caring for a cat after this surgery, as that will perhaps be the most difficult thing to deal with. It just won't be possible to keep him inside all the time, especially since he's not trained to use a litterbox.
carola - 03 Mar 2006 05:40 GMT : I got some advice from the vet today, and have decided that I will be : getting my cat neutered within the next few weeks, even if I have to take [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : possible to keep him inside all the time, especially since he's not trained : to use a litterbox. All our neutered toms could go outside again after just one night inside, and before that, they were so drowsy that they didn't care. Good, that you get him neutered.
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Anna - 03 Mar 2006 17:02 GMT > I got some advice from the vet today, and have decided that I will be >getting my cat neutered within the next few weeks, even if I have to take [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >spends the night outdoors, fending for himself against the cold winter and >wild animals. Good to see you're getting it done. Too bad about your friends & family not being more supportive.
> But it still isn't quite that easy. The vet said he has to lay low for a >few days after the operation, and since he spends a lot of time outside, she >suggested waiting until the weather warms up before having this done. It >will certainly be quite a hassle, but like you say, it has to be done. First the vet says that he has to lay low for a couple days, then she says wait until weather is warmer since he likes to go outside??? Get it done now while it's colder so he won't want to go outside as much. If you wait until Spring, he will have impregnated cats by then. Simply don't let him out while he's recupurating.
> I went to visit him for a while today, and observed something interesting >while I was there. As I held my cat and gave him attention, some of the >other (normally very shy) cats started coming up to me and allowing me to >pet them. Perhaps they were curious to see what it felt like? That's sad. They obviously want attention. Would be great if someone could find homes for them.
> I'd appreciate any advice on caring for a cat after this surgery, as that >will perhaps be the most difficult thing to deal with. It just won't be >possible to keep him inside all the time, especially since he's not trained >to use a litterbox. Which is why all cats should be trained to use a litterbox. Get one, fill it with litter, show it to him and see what he does.
Anna
Chris F. - 04 Mar 2006 00:03 GMT Well I have some good news - the cat returned home this morning, of his own free will. He's gone in and out several times but doesn't go far, and is obviously glad to be home. And I think I know why. Two other, much larger males showed up at the neighbors place and have obviously taken control of both the food and the females, so I guess my cat finally realized he was better off at home. He's lost some weight, and has numerous wounds from fighting with the large males, but he's safe and that's all I care about. I'm not sure why the vet suggested waiting, I think it had more to do with letting him have his fun now, so he'd be more content to rest after the operation. But like you say, he'd probably be too lethargic anyway to do much. I had surgery myself a couple of years ago and it left me hung over for almost a month. I'll be scheduling his appointment once the weather is more favorable for travelling (these Canadian winters......), if I have any more questions I'll be sure to post. Thanks for the advice anyway.
sayhitocatgirl@yahoo.com - 04 Mar 2006 17:10 GMT > Well I have some good news - the cat returned home this morning, of his > own free will. He's gone in and out several times but doesn't go far, and is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > be sure to post. > Thanks for the advice anyway. ___________________________________ So glad to hear he's home and will have his appointment! Trust me, he will be happier, and much safer, and he will live longer. Meanwhile... please keep a close eye on him... he could have puncture wounds invisible to our eyes but infection can occur... this could kill him. If you see a boil appearing on his body, or see any changes to his normal behavior or eating, please consider the drive through the cold, for your friend's sake... It is bizarre to hear that *any* veterinarian would suggest "waiting"... whether it is a male or female. But... Thank you for caring about him.
Anna - 04 Mar 2006 18:49 GMT >obviously glad to be home. And I think I know why. Two other, much larger >males showed up at the neighbors place and have obviously taken control of >both the food and the females, so I guess my cat finally realized he was How sad, now more unwanted kittens will be born.
>better off at home. He's lost some weight, and has numerous wounds from >fighting with the large males, but he's safe and that's all I care about. Are you aware that fighting and being bitten by other cats can cause your cat to become infected with FeLeuk, FIP or FIV? Vaccines do not guarantee he won't contract these potentially fatal diseases.
> I'm not sure why the vet suggested waiting, I think it had more to do with >letting him have his fun now, so he'd be more content to rest after the You need a new vet.
> I'll be scheduling his appointment once the weather is more favorable for >travelling (these Canadian winters......), if I have any more questions I'll >be sure to post. I live in Canada so I'm aware of what Canadian winters are like and I can tell you that there is no way that you cannot drive in winter unless there is a massive snow storm which of course you know. You stated that since he got home, he has been in and out several times, it must not be that cold or snowy out. I highly suggest you do it right away before he takes off again.
Anna
AlexZ - 04 Mar 2006 21:16 GMT : Well I have some good news - the cat returned home this morning, of his : own free will. He's gone in and out several times but doesn't go far, and is : obviously glad to be home... : I'll be scheduling his appointment once the weather is more favorable for : travelling (these Canadian winters......), if I have any more questions I'll : be sure to post. I find your attitudes quite puzzling. He could escape again. You have to take him to the vet right away. Besides neutering, a general check up is a good idea as he has been living outside fighting with other cats. Find another vet and just go.
Later, if you can get some organization to do something abou the feral colony, pleaes do so. If posible, adoption; at the very least, spay/neuter and then release back.
Chris F. - 04 Mar 2006 23:43 GMT > Later, if you can get some organization to do something abou the feral > colony, pleaes do so. If posible, adoption; at the very least, > spay/neuter and then release back. Who's going to foot the bill to spay/neuter the dozens - if not hundreds - of stray cats in my area? I can barely afford the $80 to have my own cat taken care of.
lestark@ameritech.net - 03 Mar 2006 16:35 GMT >First the vet says that he has to lay low for a couple days, then she says >wait until weather is warmer since he likes to go outside??? Get it done now
>while it's colder so he won't want to go outside as much. If you wait until
>Spring, he will have impregnated cats by then. Simply don't let him out >while he's recupurating. Maybe once he is nuetered he will not feel like going out if he does not have the "URGE" to get it on with his female friends.
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