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Cat Forum / General Topics / February 2006female urinating little
Can't sleep. One of our female cats (spayed) has been in the box three times in an hour, each time peeing very little. We will take her to vet in a.m., but as of now, I need some reassurance I hope. This is the same cat I wrote a week or so ago about suddenly starting to spray after a year of two of using the box. We took her to the vet two Saturdays ago & there was infection & we got pills. She has gotten every pill so far. She seemed a lot better until tonight, she was back to growling constantly at the other cats and trying to spray. She won't lay down to rest. Been pacing for the two hours I've been reading in bed. I got up & tried playing with a feather toy w/her & she is playing very vigorously.Eyes are bright & clear. If this is a blockage how to they treat that? > Can't sleep. One of our female cats (spayed) has been in the box three times > in an hour, each time peeing very little. We will take her to vet in a.m., [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > playing very vigorously.Eyes are bright & clear. If this is a blockage how > to they treat that? When my male had a blockage (not in usual in males) he was hunched over a little, seemed somewhat bloated, and his eyes definately looked like he was in pain. It was an emergency. They surgically removed the blockage that night. One of the things we did after to encourage drinking was to add a pinch of baking soda to the water. This is like adding salt, and makes the cat drink more fluid. Check with your vet to see if this would help your cat. She definately sounds like she has a urinary infection again. It hurts to pee. Increased water consumption will help along with the antibiotics. Ask vet about any special diet. -- Linda Temecula California Turn out the lights when replying. >We took her to the vet two Saturdays ago & there was infection & we got >pills. She has gotten every pill so far. She seemed a lot better until [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >playing very vigorously.Eyes are bright & clear. If this is a blockage how >to they treat that? If it is a blockage, there will be no urine coming out at all so hopefully you have caught it in time where it is at the stage of just being a UTI. What kind of food is she on? My cat blocked up 6 years ago and was put on canned Hill's s/d to destroy the struvite, then was put on c/d. Canned formula should be used to increase her water intake then she can start having the dry version too after she gets better. Anna > >We took her to the vet two Saturdays ago & there was infection & we got >>pills. She has gotten every pill so far. She seemed a lot better until [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Anna They took her off Clavimox & put her on a steroid and another type of infection pill. She had crystals in her bladder. They did say it was the regular dry cat food we are giving her (and all 6 other cats). They gave us Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. It's so hard to separate them, I think I will just feed them all that. 4 of them are her kittens so they might inherit it anyway. It'll be expensive, but in the long run cheaper than tons of vet visits. <snip> They gave us > Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. It's so hard to separate them, I think I > will just feed them all that. 4 of them are her kittens so they might > inherit it anyway. It'll be expensive, but in the long run cheaper than tons > of vet visits. Yes, when one of my cats needed special diet, the rest of them got the same. As you say, it is hard to separate them. -- Linda Temecula California Turn out the lights when replying. > <snip> They gave us >> Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. It's so hard to separate them, I think I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > same. > As you say, it is hard to separate them. ____________________________________________ W/D is wonderful stuff, one of mine eats both the canned (minced variety) and dry with relish. But it might not have enough fats or other "goodies" that your other kitties need... W/D is a specific diet formulated for specific needs, usually prescribed for chronically overweight cats or diabetic cats. It won't *hurt* your other kitties, but... please try to slip in some of their other food now and then... when the other one's not looking! Also you can get some Nutri-Cal paste to help supplement them. I too had a cat that developed struvite crystals, years ago. It was caught early and she was given an Rx diet of C/D, which she thrived on, with occasional supplements of Nutri-Cal. I wonder why your vet prescribed W/D for her food?? Is she overweight, or...? If you mentioned it in another post, sorry, I didn't get to see it. >> <snip> They gave us >>> Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. It's so hard to separate them, I think [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > prescribed W/D for her food?? Is she overweight, or...? If you mentioned > it in another post, sorry, I didn't get to see it. My husband took her and I, too, wondered about W/D. I thought it was for diabetes. I had a cat that had that and I was sure that was what I fed him. I am going to call them to be sure it's right. Two of the other kitty's are overweight so they can use the W/D. Thanks for mentioning that, it crossed my mind, but I assumed the vet knew what he picked up in the office. ">>> <snip> They gave us >>>> Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. It's so hard to separate them, I think >>>> I >>>> will just feed them all that. 4 of them are her kittens so they might >>>> inherit it anyway. It'll be expensive, but in the long run cheaper than tons >>>> of vet visits. >>> Yes, when one of my cats needed special diet, the rest of them got the >>> same. >>> As you say, it is hard to separate them. >> ____________________________________________ (from Catgirl, snipped) W/D is wonderful stuff, one of mine eats both the canned (minced variety) >> and dry with relish. But it might not have enough fats or other >> "goodies" that your other kitties need... W/D is a specific diet >> formulated for specific needs, usually prescribed for chronically >> overweight cats or diabetic cats. I wonder why your vet >> prescribed W/D for her food?? Is she overweight, or...? If you >> mentioned it in another post, sorry, I didn't get to see it. ____________________________ > My husband took her and I, too, wondered about W/D. I thought it was for > diabetes. I had a cat that had that and I was sure that was what I fed > him. I am going to call them to be sure it's right. Two of the other > kitty's are overweight so they can use the W/D. Thanks for mentioning > that, it crossed my mind, but I assumed the vet knew what he picked up in > the office. _____________________________ You're welcome... Please let us know what the vet says. They are not infallible, and it never hurts to ask questions. If he does say give W/D, ask him why that and not C/D, because you're curious and interested. (Some vets might think you are doubting their expertise.) Also, if he says give the W/D, maybe call around to the different vet offices and ask their opinions. :>) > ">>> <snip> They gave us >>>>> Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. It's so hard to separate them, I [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > says give the W/D, maybe call around to the different vet offices and ask > their opinions. :>) I called them & talked to the girl at the desk, she looked in the file and said it was W/D and it was ONLY for cats with crystals. I told her I had thought I had given that to my cat w/diabetes, but she this was the right one. I didn't read your message till after I called. Unfortunately, all the vets are now closed here in southern Indiana, it's 2:11 p.m. I will call other ones Monday to check, but at least we have her medicines til then. BTW, I watched her in the litter box last night and she peed quite a bit at one time, so that's good. I haven't noticed her try to spray since yesterday either. All good signs. But I will check Monday and ask them as if I didn't know what the C/D food is used for. Thanks again. Did the vet determine what type of crystals they were? There are Struvite and Oxalate crystals and they should be treated differently. Treating the wrong ones can make the situation worse. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Did the vet determine what type of crystals they were? There are Struvite and Oxalate crystals and they should be treated differently. Treating the wrong ones can make the situation worse. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') ______________________________________ Totally correct! Thanks for bringing that up. One article I've read does say that oxalate crystals may be one of the results of diet, just as struvite crystals are. Here is the site, and an excerpt from that site: http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-urinarytract-problems.htm There are many medical diets made to dissolve struvite stones and to prevent recurrence of struvite and calcium oxalate stones. These include Hill's s/d, c/d(s) and c/d(o), Purina CNM-UR, Waltham's Control pHormula, and others. These are only available through veterinarians since they create specific acid-base conditions in the cat's body that should be monitored by your vet. Canned versions of these foods are preferable to dry. Note the mention of Hills' C/D foods. I would be shocked if W/D, especially the dry, is actually what your vet prescribed for your little struvite kitty. > ">>> <snip> They gave us >>>>> Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. It's so hard to separate them, I [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > says give the W/D, maybe call around to the different vet offices and ask > their opinions. :>) ______________________________________ I called them & talked to the girl at the desk, she looked in the file and said it was W/D and it was ONLY for cats with crystals. I told her I had thought I had given that to my cat w/diabetes, but she this was the right one. I didn't read your message till after I called. Unfortunately, all the vets are now closed here in southern Indiana, it's 2:11 p.m. I will call other ones Monday to check, but at least we have her medicines til then. BTW, I watched her in the litter box last night and she peed quite a bit at one time, so that's good. I haven't noticed her try to spray since yesterday either. All good signs. But I will check Monday and ask them as if I didn't know what the C/D food is used for. Thanks again. ___________________________________________ Hi there... thanks for posting! I am happy your little one is able to relieve herself now. Keep giving the pills, but I am concerned about why that vet's office insists on using W/D for her. I did some research for "official info", because I want you to "go armed" next time you call your vet or the others... Here is the Hill's Prescription Diet website... This page shows all the prescription foods and what they are prescribed for. The C/D canned and dry is for, quote: "Feline Lower Urinary Tract Disease, Struvite crystals"... as was done with my little one successfully for years... she had to be on it all her life... and the W/D canned and dry is for, quote: "Diabetes mellitus, colitis, constipation, obesity, hyperlipidemia". http://www.hillspet.com/zSkin_2/products/pd_product_list.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_ id=2534374302037389&bmUID=1140898544731 >> ">>> <snip> They gave us >>>>>> Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. It's so hard to separate them, I [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > http://www.hillspet.com/zSkin_2/products/pd_product_list.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_ id=2534374302037389&bmUID=1140898544731 Thank you so much CatGirl and all other who have posted. I do have some cans of Friskees wet food on standby for when some of the cats need pills that I can't get down them myself. I crush up the pills & put in wet food & they eat it. Gypsy (the sick female) let's me give her pills that have I've rubbed margarine on to make slippery enough to go down. Anyway, do you think that wet food would be better for her than the dry W/D until Monday when I can go see the vet myself? Thanks again, I'm going to read all these websites that everyone has linked right now. > My husband took her and I, too, wondered about W/D. I thought it was for > diabetes. A vet that would prescribe a high carb diet to a diabetic should be banned from practicing. Again: http://www.catnutrition.org/diabetes.html >Two of the other kitty's are > overweight so they can use the W/D. W/d is a poor diet for fat cats and keeps them fat unless you're willing to feed them tiny amounts that will keep them in a state of hunger all the time. Someone in another group recently posted a link about her cat that didn't lose weight and then got fatter on all the vet prescribed diets. Putting him on premium canned food that was appopriate for a CARNIVORE, not a COW, was what finally got him to lose weight and get healthy. Here is the link. http://community.webtv.net/getcathelp/tucker <alto59@operamail.com> wrote (snipped): > http://www.catnutrition.org/diabetes.html > http://community.webtv.net/getcathelp/tucker _______________________________________ Excellent sites!! Thank for sharing them! > They took her off Clavimox & put her on a steroid and another type of > infection pill. She had crystals in her bladder. They did say it was the > regular dry cat food we are giving her (and all 6 other cats). Dry food is bad for cats. Period. >They gave us > Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. Bad vet. Ugh. Dry food has been shown to cause or exacerbate urinary tract problems, and w/d is total crap food. It's full of carbs and grains (also implicated in crystal formation) and is not an appropriate diet for *any* carnivore. Do your cats a favor. Ditch the dry food and feed them good quality canned twice a day, 12 hours apart. You don't have to take my word for it. Take the time to read the first two links in their entirety and then check out the articles at the third: http://www.catinfo.org http://www.catnutrition.org/diabetes.html http://www.catnutrition.org/ >> They took her off Clavimox & put her on a steroid and another type of >> infection pill. She had crystals in her bladder. They did say it was the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > http://www.catnutrition.org/diabetes.html > http://www.catnutrition.org/ I think I will start doing that for all of them. One male, Buddy, is as big or bigger than that cat in your link and Beauty, a 1 1/2 yo female is getting pretty fat too. The others are pretty normal weight. You didn't say how much each should get twice a day. Half a can each? When one cat needs a pill that I can't get down them & use the wet food, they ALL get wet food until we don't need to give the pills. They do love it, but they seem hungrier after they eat that. But the main reason we didn't like to was their feces smell SO bad when they eat wet food. We have 7 boxes in the house, 4 in the basement and one each in each bedroom and when they go at night, sometimes it actually woke us up it smelled so bad. Also if our dog gets hold of any (which she naturally wants more than her food) she starts passing awful gas. BUT....if it really is that much healthier, we will live w/ the smell at night. And keep Woofie outside while they eat. Thanks again for your advice and please let me know what you think about how much each cat should get twice a day. We may have to change vets. We started these vets about a year ago (our old ones prices doubled) and she has operated on Woofie for a tumor & the dog is doing great and the vet did the right thing with other cats upper respiratory infections. But if this turns out to be the VET's wrong call and not the helper that brought Joe the food and/or the girl who answered the phone when I called didn't actually check it out or something, we will change vets again. >> Bad vet. Ugh. Dry food has been shown to cause or exacerbate urinary >> tract problems, and w/d is total crap food. It's full of carbs and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > while they eat. Thanks again for your advice and please let me know what > you think about how much each cat should get twice a day. Well, now that I asked you that, I don't think it's half a can each. Not one of them ate it all!!! The fattest cat ate the least. He is still getting upper respiratory medicine though, so maybe that has something to do with it. Anyway, can't hurt to try this. > They took her off Clavimox & put her on a steroid and another type of > infection pill. She had crystals in her bladder. They did say it was the > regular dry cat food we are giving her (and all 6 other cats). Dry food is bad for cats. Period. >They gave us > Hills' W/D dry cat food for her. Bad vet. Ugh. Dry food has been shown to cause or exacerbate urinary tract problems, and w/d is total crap food. It's full of carbs and grains (also implicated in crystal formation) and is not an appropriate diet for *any* carnivore. Do your cats a favor. Ditch the dry food and feed them good quality canned twice a day, 12 hours apart. You don't have to take my word for it. Take the time to read the first two links in their entirety and then check out the articles at the third: http://www.catinfo.org http://www.catnutrition.org/diabetes.html http://www.catnutrition.org/
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