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CadillacWoman - 07 Feb 2006 15:33 GMT
We live in a densely populated suburban area in New England. One night
several weeks ago, a tiger-striped cat jumped up on a window ledge and
meowed at me. He/she kept meowing and scent-marking the window. This
seemed like the behavior of a stray cat. Since it was freezing outside
and I felt sorry for the poor beast, I put out a handful of Royal Canin
kibble. Since then, he's stopped by every evening--in the rain, in the
snow, and in the cold-always hungry. There's no collar. The cat is
quite sweet and likes to be petted a little, but not too much. If I
tried to get a collar on him/her with a "Is this your kitty?" note, I'd
probably get clawed.

The cat acts starved but doesn't look thin; however, he/she has very
dense fur--the fur of an outdoor cat. In the daytime, I've walked
around the neighborhood and looked to see whether I could see the cat
sitting on someone's porch or looking out someone's window. No luck.
But, I also don't know how far the cat might roam to get to our house.
I guessed blocks, but I could be wrong.

I read the thread about feeding someone else's cat. If this cat IS
someone else's cat, I don't want to lure the cat away from his/her
home. On the other hand, if the cat is a stray, I don't want the poor
animal to starve to death in freezing temperatures. I can't bring
him/her inside because I already have three housecats and a husband who
says three is enough. He also thinks that cat has an owner, but
probably a negligent one.

Any ideas on how I can find out whether this cat belongs to someone,
and how far he/she might be roaming?
(PeteCresswell) - 07 Feb 2006 19:16 GMT
Per CadillacWoman:
>Any ideas on how I can find out whether this cat belongs to someone,
>and how far he/she might be roaming?

When our daughter trims the claws on our little beast, she just flips a
bedspread or something equally opaque over it and it becomes completely docile
while exposes one paw after another and trims the claws.

Dunno if it would work, but maybe it's worth a try to put a collar on the same
way except doing it by feel under the covering.

Also, one of our neighbor's cats is well-fed and healthy - a little overweight,
even.   But when it manages to slip into our house, it heads straight for our
cats' food dish and proceeds to devour it like it's been starved for a week.
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~*Connie*~ - 07 Feb 2006 23:37 GMT
technically, any pet out of control of its owner is a stray.  Not being
excessively thin isn't a sign of a owned cat either.  S/he could be a very
good hunter, or found a few food sources.

if he shows up on a regular schedule, I would probably assume he's stray and
call the ACO.

> We live in a densely populated suburban area in New England. One night
> several weeks ago, a tiger-striped cat jumped up on a window ledge and
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> Any ideas on how I can find out whether this cat belongs to someone,
> and how far he/she might be roaming?
CadillacWoman - 08 Feb 2006 00:23 GMT
Are you in the UK? In the US, the authorities are not kind--if someone
does not claim or adopt the kitty within 7 days, it's killed. I can't
do that to this kitty. I'd rather put out kitty food for months and try
to find the owner--or another owner. As Peter mentioned, the kitty
might just be a mooch.

A couple of years ago, I did a "starving kitty" rescue. The end result
was that I looked like a moron, and it took a long time to find a new
home for the homeless one, but he did find a home--and it was a good
home. I'm an amatuer at this sort of thing, but I want to do the right
thing.
Brian Merchant - 09 Feb 2006 02:52 GMT
In the borning days of the third millennium, CadillacWoman wrote:
>Are you in the UK? In the US, the authorities are not kind--if someone
>does not claim or adopt the kitty within 7 days, it's killed.

That depends on the location.  Some shelters are no-kill.  Call the
local Humane Society or look for a cat rescue organization.
--
Brian Merchant

Puritanism didn't keep the puritans from sinning, it just kept them from enjoying it.
--Father Joe Breighner, Country Roads
majcm - 10 Feb 2006 08:08 GMT
Congratulastions, Cady woman, you sound like a real animal lover. We also
have an outside cat that was dropped here. And we also have too many pets
inside to add another. When we've tried to bring her in, she freaks, hits
the glass doors to get out, etc. So she does stay out. We had her spayed &
shots. In the winter, we make a bed for her of a recycle bin turned on its
side and put a heating paid wrapped in a towel in there & plug it in. She
stays warm there all winter. When you pick her up out of it, she feels like
toasty warm. We had her 8 winters now. If you keep her, she can eliminate
any mouse problem you have. We didn't ever see one till "Killer" came along
and she has brought us mice, birds, bats, even a baby squirrel. Hated the
bird & squirrel., but the point is, she'll earn her keep. Hope you keep her
if you can't find a GOOD home. Good luck!!

> Are you in the UK? In the US, the authorities are not kind--if someone
> does not claim or adopt the kitty within 7 days, it's killed. I can't
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> home. I'm an amatuer at this sort of thing, but I want to do the right
> thing.
Anna - 08 Feb 2006 00:44 GMT
>We live in a densely populated suburban area in New England. One night
>several weeks ago, a tiger-striped cat jumped up on a window ledge and

Any way you can check around with the neighbours?  Also you could call Animal
Control to see if anyone is looking for it or take an ad out in the paper.  I
wish all outdoor cats had ID so we'd know if they were owned or not.

Anna
Michael Rhino - 08 Feb 2006 01:36 GMT
If you kept the cat, you could put up posters asking "Is this your cat?" or
"lost cat found."  I've never tried that.
CadillacWoman - 08 Feb 2006 13:50 GMT
Good idea! He/she doesn't belong to anyone on our end of the street,
but he could belong to any one of a hundred homes nearby. We took a
photo of him, but it didn't turn out well--we'll try again. When we
have a run of dry days, I'll put up photos on telephone poles around
the neighborhood.
Kelcey - 08 Feb 2006 18:29 GMT
>Good idea! He/she doesn't belong to anyone on our end of the street,
>but he could belong to any one of a hundred homes nearby. We took a
>photo of him, but it didn't turn out well--we'll try again. When we
>have a run of dry days, I'll put up photos on telephone poles around
>the neighborhood.

Might be better to scan the photo on your computer and make a bunch of
posters instead of actual photos.

Kelcey
CadillacWoman - 08 Feb 2006 19:24 GMT
Update: Today I spoke to our letter carrier who delivers mail on foot.
He thinks he's seen the kitty on his route--outside on someone's porch,
but he's not sure which street. He promised to watch for the kitty and
let me know the street and house number.

If that doesn't work out, I will do posters. They'll be in black and
white, but how many tiger-stripe cats can there be in one area?
Rhonda - 11 Feb 2006 16:03 GMT
We had the same situation. A gorgeous cat started showing up at our
house every day for meals. His coat looked a bit raggedy, so we weren't
sure if he belonged to someone.

The vet suggested (and gave us) a paper collar. We wrote "Call phone
number... if this is your cat" on the collar. It was a bright blue
collar, an owner would not have missed it. We left it on for over a week
and no one called.

We got the cat neutered and he joined our household.

Rhonda

> Any ideas on how I can find out whether this cat belongs to someone,
> and how far he/she might be roaming?
RichC - 14 Feb 2006 13:19 GMT
> Any ideas on how I can find out whether this cat belongs to someone,
> and how far he/she might be roaming?

I had a similar experience & put an old brightly colored flea color on the
cat with a message that he was eating at our house with our telephone
number. We got a call in 2 days from a home about a mile away. His owner
said he's always on the move & not to worry. He'll go home when he's ready.
We continued to give him hand outs until one day he got him by a car.
CadillacWoman - 14 Feb 2006 19:03 GMT
Gosh, it sounds as if your visitor had quite a territory.

I have a collar and tried to put it on our visiting kitty--but it was
too snug and the kitty wouldn't cooperate while I tried to adjust it.
Our letter carrier thinks that he has seen the kitty on someone's porch
in the next town. If the kitty cut through conservation land, he'd have
a trip of about four blocks. The letter carrier gave me the address,
and I went over this afternoon but didn't see the kitty, and there was
no one home. This weekend I'll go back and try to talk to the owner, if
there is one.
Michael Rhino - 15 Feb 2006 02:10 GMT
> We continued to give him hand outs until one day he got him by a car.

him by or hit by?
AlexZ - 15 Feb 2006 02:54 GMT
: We live in a densely populated suburban area in New England. One night
: several weeks ago, a tiger-striped cat jumped up on a window ledge and
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
: Any ideas on how I can find out whether this cat belongs to someone,
: and how far he/she might be roaming?

I would try to gain her trust until she lets me put a collar inquring
if she belongs to someone. Most probably she does not. That she has
been coming to you hungry in rain and snow is indication enough. Please
continue to feed her in the meantime. It would worse to let her starve
than to accidently overfeed. I would think that any owner who doesn't
want others to feed his cat would at least put a visible collar on her.
She is most likely homeless. If you can't take her in, please try to
find someone who can.
CadillacWoman - 19 Feb 2006 14:13 GMT
FOUND THE OWNER!

On Saturday evening, I managed to put a collar on the kittty. Several
hours later, his owner called. She lives about 5 blocks away. We had a
long talk, and she said that the kitty is a 3-year-old neutered male
whom she rescued from a feral mother. The kitty insists on being an
indoor-outdoor cat--meows at the door when he wants in and out. She
said that he gets his two squares a day, but she'd noticed that he was
putting on weight, so she put him on a diet. However, he continued to
gain weight--undoubtedly because I've been feeding him a second dinner.
She said that he's always been a friendly cat and is quite good at
begging handouts. I promised that from here on out, I'd limit my
attention to petting him. So, mystery solved!
AlexZ - 19 Feb 2006 16:32 GMT
: FOUND THE OWNER!
:
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: begging handouts. I promised that from here on out, I'd limit my
: attention to petting him. So, mystery solved!

I am happily surprised but surprised nonetheless. That he has an owner
and the owner didn't feel the need to put a cllar even knowing he is a
wanderer. I hope he will continue to visit you even without regular
meals. :-) An occasional treat probably wouldn't hurt. You can
coordinate that with the owner.
Kelcey - 19 Feb 2006 21:18 GMT
>FOUND THE OWNER!

Great!  What a relief for you I'll bet.  It feels good when you're worried
that a cat might be lost and you find out he has a home.  Little rascal knows
what he's doing - doesn't like being put on a diet so he found a kind lady to
supply him with some extra food!  

Kelcey
whayface - 20 Feb 2006 13:10 GMT
: On Saturday evening, I managed to put a collar on the kittty. Several
: hours later, his owner called. She lives about 5 blocks away. We had a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
: begging handouts. I promised that from here on out, I'd limit my
: attention to petting him. So, mystery solved!

>Great!  What a relief for you I'll bet.  It feels good when you're worried
>that a cat might be lost and you find out he has a home.  Little rascal knows
>what he's doing - doesn't like being put on a diet so he found a kind lady to
>supply him with some extra food!  

He was getting extra food before being put on diet.  His human put him on diet after he
started putting on weight from extra food.  At least that is the way I read the earlier
post.
Kelcey - 20 Feb 2006 17:37 GMT
>He was getting extra food before being put on diet.  His human put him on diet after he
>started putting on weight from extra food.  At least that is the way I read the earlier
>post.

If you reread her last post, you'll see it says she was feeding him a second
dinner.

Kelcey
Gary Stone - 19 Feb 2006 21:35 GMT
> FOUND THE OWNER!
>
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> begging handouts. I promised that from here on out, I'd limit my
> attention to petting him. So, mystery solved!

I'm glad to hear that. Good news indeed. I just had a different experience.
Found the owner of a stray and they didn't seem thrilled to have it back.
They were fearful of it killing the new baby. Anyway, I left it with them
and lo and behold it showed up again. After taking it back three times. I
decided that if it came back I would let it stay in the shed for 21 days and
if the owners did not call or come over for it. I would consider it
abandoned and try to find a home for it. I ended up taking it to the Humane
Society and within a week they killed it. Damn! I would have kept him if I'd
known they were going to do that.

Stone
Some pic's  http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/stoneman72/my_photos
CadillacWoman - 19 Feb 2006 23:16 GMT
The Humane Society isn't always humane. That's why I fund local no-kill
shelters that are truly no-kill. Some shelters say they're no-kill, but
after a period of time if a cat isn't adopted, they transfer it to a
kill-shelter, and it's killed. The bottom line is that if you want good
things done, you've got to do them yourself.
whayface - 20 Feb 2006 13:15 GMT
>The Humane Society isn't always humane. That's why I fund local no-kill
>shelters that are truly no-kill. Some shelters say they're no-kill, but
>after a period of time if a cat isn't adopted, they transfer it to a
>kill-shelter, and it's killed. The bottom line is that if you want good
>things done, you've got to do them yourself.

As long as people do not get in over their heads and the animals start suffering like some
of these people they show on Animal Cops on Anial Planet.
Gary Stone - 20 Feb 2006 15:08 GMT
> The Humane Society isn't always humane. That's why I fund local no-kill
> shelters that are truly no-kill. Some shelters say they're no-kill, but
> after a period of time if a cat isn't adopted, they transfer it to a
> kill-shelter, and it's killed. The bottom line is that if you want good
> things done, you've got to do them yourself.

Yeah, If there is a next time I'll have my friend in the next county take
the animal to the shelter over there. I'm bummed that I had a hand in that
cats death. The intent was to find it a home, not a lethal injection and a
furnace inside of a week. I would have just let him live in the shed under
the lamp and kept him fed had I known. I was thinking of donating to the
Humane Society here but am rethinking that.

I have to take one of my cats to the vet today. She's been throwing up too
often and she bends her spine up kind of like a hump. Not a defensive
posture. Have to find out what's going on there.

Stone
Some pic's  http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/stoneman72/my_photos
Rhonda - 24 Feb 2006 16:18 GMT
Yeah, I know you felt bad, but you were aware that might happen, weren't
you?

I used to volunteer at a shelter in Denver. They received 100 animals a
day and could only keep about 10, so most were euthanized the day they
arrived.

I heard the story of one guy being so mad at his dog that he turned him
in to the shelter with plans "adopt" him the next day. He got there and
the dog had already been euthanized. They just don't have room for the
crazy number of unwanted animals.

Rhonda

>  I ended up taking it to the Humane
> Society and within a week they killed it. Damn! I would have kept him if I'd
> known they were going to do that.
Gary Stone - 24 Feb 2006 20:13 GMT
I was told that they only euthanized them if they were really sick. This fellow was pretty healthy and spry. I do feel bad, a bit PO'd also. But, it's done. There is another stray here and there's no way I'm taking it to them. If I have to, I'll put a cat door in the shed/barn for it and then try to find it a home for as long as it takes. Right now it's living in one of my firewood racks. It let me get within 6' of it last night. Once it lets it's guard down, I'll get it to the vet. It looks mal nourished, I've been leaving food out in front of the shed door for now. It's suppose to get well below zero this weekend, I should be able to lure it into the shed and let it find the heated kitty condo with food and water. We'll see how it goes.

Stone
Some pic's  http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/stoneman72/my_photos

> Yeah, I know you felt bad, but you were aware that might happen, weren't
> you?
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>> Society and within a week they killed it. Damn! I would have kept him if I'd
>> known they were going to do that.
Rhonda - 25 Feb 2006 05:05 GMT
That's horrible that they told you they wouldn't euthanize and they did.
Sounds like someone didn't know what they were talking about.

The guy who was in charge of the incoming animals at the Denver shelter
said he would never make any promises to people. He said little old
ladies would come in crying and it would tear his heart out, but he
couldn't promise. He did say though that in his head he had made up his
mind to keep that one out for awhile...

Good luck with your new stray. I'm glad you can help it.

Rhonda

> I was told that they only euthanized them if they were really sick. This
> fellow was pretty healthy and spry. I do feel bad, a bit PO'd also. But,
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>  >> known they were going to do that.
>  >
Gary Stone - 25 Feb 2006 06:38 GMT
Thanks Rhonda, We've got heavy snow warnings out for tonight, maybe a foot
of snow, I left the door open just enough for it to get in and put some food
right in the doorway. It's 1:30 AM and I see a single set of tracks leading
into the shed. I'm going out to close the door and the cat and I will get
acquainted in the morning. I'll have to call the vet and get it in to see
him, it's pretty scrawny looking.

Stone
Some pic's  http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/stoneman72/my_photos

> That's horrible that they told you they wouldn't euthanize and they did.
> Sounds like someone didn't know what they were talking about.
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>
> Rhonda
CadillacWoman - 24 Feb 2006 21:42 GMT
He probably didn't know. I didn't know that shelters euthanize most of
the animals they take in until I took in a stray cat and started
reading this newsgroup. People, educated people, just don't know the
facts of surplus pets in America because it's not well publicised.

How long did you volunteer at the shelter? It's something I've wanted
to do, but my husband said "no way," figuring that I'd adopt all the
cats rather than let them be euthanized.
(PeteCresswell) - 24 Feb 2006 23:00 GMT
Per (general usage):
>that shelters euthanize most

Is it just me, or do anybody else get weirded out by terms like "euthanize" or
"put to sleep"?

I don't think I have a big problem with killing animals - done it myself -
sometimes face-to-face and generally without misgivings.  

But to trivialize it with other words..... I dunno... If somebody's gonna kill
something, I feel better if they come right out and say it...
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CadillacWoman - 24 Feb 2006 23:31 GMT
I know what you're saying. But to me, there is a difference between
"kill" and "euthanize." Hunters kill. Shelter volunteers euthanize.
Hunters have a choice of kill or don't kill, but shelters don't have
that choice--they've got x amount of space and x number of animals and
x number of homes waiting.  But as you say, at the end of the day, dead
is dead.
(PeteCresswell) - 25 Feb 2006 00:02 GMT
Per CadillacWoman:
>I know what you're saying. But to me, there is a difference between
>"kill" and "euthanize." Hunters kill. Shelter volunteers euthanize.
>Hunters have a choice of kill or don't kill, but shelters don't have
>that choice--they've got x amount of space and x number of animals and
>x number of homes waiting.  But as you say, at the end of the day, dead
>is dead.

I thought about it a little more, and I think for me it's something to do with
respect.   It's a living being and I'm taking it's life.   I'm not picking an
apple or digging up a potato.  It's better all around if I own up to that and
not try to trivialize it.   Kind of like a word of thanks to the chicken when
one eats it.
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(PeteCresswell) - 25 Feb 2006 00:04 GMT
Per (PeteCresswell):
>a word of thanks to the chicken

A *silent* word..... don't want to get myself certified and committed over
this...
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whayface - 25 Feb 2006 14:11 GMT
>Per (general usage):
>>that shelters euthanize most
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>But to trivialize it with other words..... I dunno... If somebody's gonna kill
>something, I feel better if they come right out and say it...

I know what you mean.  Every time I hear them use the term "Humanely euthanize" like on
the Animal Cops on Animal Planet I am like "Why not just say kill??"  That is what a
person is doing!!!
Patrick I. McCurry - 26 Feb 2006 12:09 GMT
>>Per (general usage):
>>>that shelters euthanize most
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I know what you mean.  Every time I hear them use the term "Humanely
> euthanize" like on the Animal Cops on Animal Planet I am like "Why
not
> just say kill??"  That is what a person is doing!!!

You hate euphemisms?
Do you never say "go to the bathroom", when you really mean urinate?
Do you never say "make love", when you really mean f*ck?

Besides, the word "kill" covers everything from violent premeditated
murder of your children to pulling weeds.  Why is it so hard to
imagine people wanting to use more specific terms?

It's not semi-lying spin like changing the department of war to the
department of defense.  Or a defensive weapon with first strike
capability.
(PeteCresswell) - 26 Feb 2006 16:03 GMT
Per Patrick I. McCurry:
>You hate euphemisms?
>Do you never say "go to the bathroom", when you really mean urinate?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>murder of your children to pulling weeds.  Why is it so hard to
>imagine people wanting to use more specific terms?

The word "hate" does not appear in my OP.

I made no reference to not being able to imagine people wanting to use "more
specific" terms.
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Gary Stone - 27 Feb 2006 08:11 GMT
> Per Patrick I. McCurry:
>>You hate euphemisms?
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>
> The word "hate" does not appear in my OP.
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> PeteCresswell

Strange, you don't like it when someone jumps on your post. And yet you
failed to either read or perhaps comprehend my OP in the thread before
jumping on the post you did read. Patrick is right on, on this.

Stone
(PeteCresswell) - 26 Feb 2006 16:27 GMT
Per Patrick I. McCurry:
>It's not semi-lying spin like changing the department of war to the
>department of defense.  Or a defensive weapon with first strike
>capability.

The reason I get a little weirded out when people say they're "putting to sleep"
an animal when they are actually killing it is something in that vein.   If the
animal needs to be killed, so be it - kill the thing in as humane a way as you
can.... but don't tell me - or, more importantly, yourself - that you're
'Putting it to sleep'.   A perfectly human and understandable path to take, for
sure.  

But for myself, killing something that thinks and feels is serious business and
I think I should keep that in mind.    Not that I have a big problem with it: I
eat meat/poultry/fish, I've clubbed rats to death with a 2x4 face-to-face, and
I've hunted for sport.  

But accepting what I've done for what it is is bound to have a certain
restraining effect on my future actions.
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Michael Rhino - 26 Feb 2006 00:57 GMT
> Per (general usage):
>>that shelters euthanize most
>
> Is it just me, or do anybody else get weirded out by terms like
> "euthanize" or
> "put to sleep"?

Put to sleep bothers me.  What is it that surgeons do before they operate?
Put it to unconsciousness?
Rhonda - 25 Feb 2006 05:09 GMT
I couldn't take the day-to-day stuff, I volunteered in the evenings
taking pets to nursing homes. We still had to go through the orientation
and hear all of the facts.

I only volunteered a couple of months before I moved.

Out here, I volunteered for awhile with a rabbit rescue group. We worked
with the Humane Society, but were not part of their staff. That could be
tough sometimes too, walking through all of the kitties begging for
attention just to get back to the rabbit room.

I know I'd be in trouble too if I was working there. We have a full
house just from strays that we've come across!

Rhonda


> How long did you volunteer at the shelter? It's something I've wanted
> to do, but my husband said "no way," figuring that I'd adopt all the
> cats rather than let them be euthanized.
Catgirl - 25 Feb 2006 16:36 GMT
> He probably didn't know. I didn't know that shelters euthanize most of
> the animals they take in until I took in a stray cat and started
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> to do, but my husband said "no way," figuring that I'd adopt all the
> cats rather than let them be euthanized.
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I started as a volunteer for one of our local shelters, and in time also now
serve on the Board of Directors.  It is a "No-Kill" shelter, so that helped
emotionally.  Yes... its hard to not take them all home!!  Animals are my
great love and are the light of my heart.  At a shelter, you see everything
from people forced to give up a beloved pet, to products of inconvenience
and neglect, to severe abuse, and it can be heartbreaking... but they need
us!  I almost didn't make it as a volunteer... but somehow my thinking
changed... from "how horrible", to "how great it is that this place is here
where these little ones can find sanctuary and veterinary care... loved and
tended to in a clean loving environment until someone comes and pays to
adopt them..!!  You still love each of them, but somehow you are able to
become stronger and put aside your personal angst for the benefit of all of
them... knowing they need your help, not for you to give up an dgo home.  If
all the great volunteers bailed on them, where would they be??  They have a
home with us untiil they are adopted.  It can be done!  And, because we have
such good exposure and PR, and people know of our efforts, our adoption rate
is wonderful.  We also work with PetsMart stores, who assist in adopting out
little homeless ones.  They even provided us with grant money to spay and
neuter many, many of our incoming cats and dogs, something we do anyway, but
every dollar helps an animal shelter!  About working in a shelter that
euthanizes... I'm sure no one "wants" to do that... but policies *can* be
changed!  Go to Board Meetings... most are open to the public until they go
into Executive Session.  Raise your concerns and express your wishes to be a
No-Kill shelter.  Don't listen to the rationalizations for euthanizing, and
don't give up.  Always be polite though, and think and speak diplomatically,
not confrontationally.  Be an excellent volunteer and set an example for
others... you will increase in numbers... Get other people interested and
involved... Get on the Board of Directors and have a voice... Goodness can
cause goodness!   An alternative to making a change in an established
organization, is to start your own non-profit animal sanctuary/shelter.
With enough support, you can do it!  It can start with you!

For inspiration, here is a WONDERFUL place that takes in otherwise
"unadoptable" animals that Kill shelters wouldn't even consider keeping
around... Its called "Home for Life".

http://www.homeforlife.org/index.htm
Anna - 19 Feb 2006 23:10 GMT
>FOUND THE OWNER!

That's good to hear.

>gain weight--undoubtedly because I've been feeding him a second dinner.
> She said that he's always been a friendly cat and is quite good at
>begging handouts. I promised that from here on out, I'd limit my
>attention to petting him. So, mystery solved!

He's going to be disappointed about not getting the second dinner anymore;
now he'll have to find someone else to convince he's lost and hungry - I
think cats are smarter than we think!

Anna
whayface - 20 Feb 2006 13:13 GMT
>>gain weight--undoubtedly because I've been feeding him a second dinner.
>> She said that he's always been a friendly cat and is quite good at
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Anna

Maybe just give him a couple small bites to wean him slowly from what you been feeding him
instead of going cold turkey??
Patrick I. McCurry - 22 Feb 2006 10:05 GMT
>>>gain weight--undoubtedly because I've been feeding him a second
>>>dinner.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>He's going to be disappointed about not getting the second dinner
>>anymore; now he'll have to find someone else to convince he's lost
and
>>hungry - I think cats are smarter than we think!
>>
>>Anna
>
> Maybe just give him a couple small bites to wean him slowly from what
> you been feeding him instead of going cold turkey??

I've got a similar but opposite problem.  I "have" a cat that demands
to be an outside/stray cat.

She was born in my mother's yard and lived with us for years.  When I
moved out, I felt sad, but consoled myself with the idea of my mother
taking care of Cricket.  Well, while visiting for thanksgiving, who
should run up skinny and nigh orgasmic to hear my voice but Cricket.  
I find that dear old mom had removed the cat door and has only
periodically thought about her promise.
Of course, I take my kitty back to my apartment despite the complex
pet limit.  At least until I can figure something out.
After keeping her inside for a week or two I let her out
experimentally.  On her second outing she disappears.  Within a few
days I hear that she found her way back "home."
She is also far too whiley to keep a collar on for for more than a
few hours.  The smartest cat I ever saw.

Now the only thing I can do is take catfood to my mother and give
Cricket some attention. (While leaving some food outside in case my
mom forgets.)  Recently, during a cold snap falling to the teens F, I
spent the night at the house just to keep Cricket inside and warm.  
My mom spends the weekends and some weekdays with her jerk boyfriend.  
(I'm afraid that his callousness has rubbed off on her.)

I know that there isn't anything else that I can do, but I just
needed to vent.

With my constant feeding and her experience, she at least stays a
normal weight and flealess.
Kelcey - 22 Feb 2006 17:27 GMT
>Of course, I take my kitty back to my apartment despite the complex
>pet limit.  At least until I can figure something out.
>After keeping her inside for a week or two I let her out
>experimentally.  On her second outing she disappears.  Within a few
>days I hear that she found her way back "home."

Take her back to your apartment again but don't let her out.  She'll learn to
adjust.

>Now the only thing I can do is take catfood to my mother and give
>Cricket some attention. (While leaving some food outside in case my
>mom forgets.)  Recently, during a cold snap falling to the teens F, I
>spent the night at the house just to keep Cricket inside and warm.  
>My mom spends the weekends and some weekdays with her jerk boyfriend.  
>(I'm afraid that his callousness has rubbed off on her.)

>I know that there isn't anything else that I can do, but I just
>needed to vent.

Yes, there is, take your cat back to your apartment.  

Kelcey
Patrick I. McCurry - 23 Feb 2006 03:48 GMT
>>Of course, I take my kitty back to my apartment despite the complex
>>pet limit.  At least until I can figure something out.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Take her back to your apartment again but don't let her out.  She'll
> learn to adjust.

I doubt it.  She is exceedingly smart, stubborn, and NOT an inside
only cat.

>>Now the only thing I can do is take catfood to my mother and give
>>Cricket some attention. (While leaving some food outside in case my
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Kelcey

If I lived alone I wouldn't hesitate to try at least one more time.
The problem is that that risks eviction for my two flatmates as well
as myself.  I can't ask them to risk homelessness and lease breaking
penalities.
CadillacWoman - 22 Feb 2006 19:29 GMT
The poor kitty depends on your mother for its very life, and your
mother can't be bothered to feed the poor creature or bring it in when
the weather is freezing? Perhaps your mother is becoming senile, but as
you've surmised, you can't depend on your her to do the right thing.
Try to keep kitty in your apartment, which after a while will become
normal. If kitty doesn't get along with your other pets, perhaps you
could rehome her with a friend or coworker. Good luck. I admire you for
trying to do the right thing by this poor kitty.
Patrick I. McCurry - 23 Feb 2006 03:56 GMT
> The poor kitty depends on your mother for its very life, and your
> mother can't be bothered to feed the poor creature or bring it in when
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> could rehome her with a friend or coworker. Good luck. I admire you for
> trying to do the right thing by this poor kitty.

My mom is only 52 and physically and mentally fit, just a little
callous and entering her pre-retirement"me" phase.  She recently
bought a sportscar too.
It did tick me off that she couldn't hold off on staying at her
boyfriend's until after the cold snap.  Especially since she removed
the catdoor.

Within a few days I'll check to see if any of my mom's neighbors
could look after Cricket if I pay for the food.  That way she
wouldn't feel the need to run away and attempt many road crossings.  
I'm mainly worried about her alone in our rare but intense weather
events.
whayface - 23 Feb 2006 13:43 GMT
>My mom is only 52 and physically and mentally fit, just a little
>callous and entering her pre-retirement"me" phase.  She recently
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I'm mainly worried about her alone in our rare but intense weather
>events.

Does the cat have someplace in the yard where it can get out of the weather such as an old
dog house?  If there is a garage there what are chances of putting a cat door in it??
Kelcey - 23 Feb 2006 21:16 GMT
>Does the cat have someplace in the yard where it can get out of the weather such as an old
>dog house?  If there is a garage there what are chances of putting a cat door in it??

Good idea, and adding hay or other types of bedding can help too.  

Kelcey
NanCe - 23 Feb 2006 21:17 GMT
>Within a few days I'll check to see if any of my mom's neighbors
>could look after Cricket if I pay for the food.  That way she
>wouldn't feel the need to run away and attempt many road crossings.  
>I'm mainly worried about her alone in our rare but intense weather
>events.

That would be great if they would give her a home.  Hope they say yes.  

NanCe
CadillacWoman - 24 Feb 2006 23:35 GMT
Good idea. He's been by the past couple of nights. I petted him
thoroughly and gave him a couple of cat treats and told him to go home
to his mommy.

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