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Cat Forum / General Topics / February 2006Cat in a bag
http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg > http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg Uhm...from the look on your cat's face, it's not too happy about being in the bag. I can't decide if its eyes look sleepy or upset. I certainly hope it's the first one. I'm also going to just assume that the kitty climbed in there of its own accord and that you, being the human, took it out as it's not safe for a cat to hang out in a plastic bag. The fact that it looks just like my cat in the face and then seeing it in a bag is just disturbing to me. >>http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > just like my cat in the face and then seeing it in a bag is just disturbing > to me. Of course she climbed in there to sleep (the bag is full of old clothes). She looks like your cat? Well, Google is not declawed. >>>http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Of course she climbed in there to sleep (the bag is full of old clothes). > She looks like your cat? Well, Google is not declawed. Yes, she looks like my cat who is declawed in the front only. The state of my cat's claws were not up for debate. Yes, I now know that declawing is not a good idea and any future cats I own will not be declawed. And, last I checked, in general you are not the best cat owner, as many here have pointed out. Come to think of it, that fact was the reason I was concerned for Google in the first place. Google may have all claws in tact, but not declawing is not the only thing that makes a good owner. For starters, I'd stop letting the cat hang out in plastic bags unless you have a desire to wake up to a suffocated cat. "Beth" <Beth_628_2002@ameritech.net> wrote> >>>http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg > >> > >> Uhm...from the look on your cat's face, it's not too happy about being in the bag. I can't decide if its eyes look sleepy or upset. Beth, the cat's inner eyelid is showing, which nearly always means dehydration and usually some sort of illness. This is the freak who enjoys watching his cats kill mice etc. that he posts photos of the dead animals. He's an a.shole--and now we know that he is an a.shole who does not take care of his cats. To the a.shole: your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is showing. Maybe you could take her to the vet instead of photographing her in stupid and potentially dangerous situations. a.shole. > "Beth" <Beth_628_2002@ameritech.net> wrote> > >>>http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > To the a.shole: your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is showing. This is the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted. Cats' "inner eyelids", called the nictating membrane, also show when they are in a half-sleep, drowsy state, or when they have been snoozing and/or are content. An apparent nictating membrane is only a sign of illness when it shows continually. -L. > > "Beth" <Beth_628_2002@ameritech.net> wrote> > > >>>http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > content. An apparent nictating membrane is only a sign of illness > when it shows continually. Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. It is a sign that something is not right. We'll leave it to the vets. Ladies and gentlemen? http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg Please pardon the intrusion, but cyberdingbat here needs some info on cats' nictating membranes... > Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. > It is a sign that something is not right. Not always. Do a simple search on "nictating membrane" and you will see I am right. The nictating membrane sometimes shows when the cat is drowsy and/or content. It is not always a sign of illness. It *can be* a sign of illness if it remains exposed, however. > We'll leave it to the vets. Ladies and gentlemen? > > http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg Go ahead and ask a vet - they will agree with me. Oh, I see you x-posted this to alt.vet.med. Good - I hope someone answers the question. -L. > Please pardon the intrusion, but cyberdingbat here needs some info on > cats' nictating membranes... An on-topic question about a photo in which a cat's third eyelid is showing when it should not be is not an intrusion you half-witted, lard-assed harridan. > > Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. > > It is a sign that something is not right. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It *can be* a sign of illness if it remains exposed, however. I have never seen it in any of my cats, and the cat in the picture is far from drowsy or content, he is being suspended in a garbage bag. But, again, let's let your New Best Friends "Hillary" etc. answer. *snicker* > > Please pardon the intrusion, but cyberdingbat here needs some info on > > cats' nictating membranes... > > An on-topic question about a photo in which a cat's third eyelid is > showing when it should not be is not an intrusion you half-witted, > lard-assed harridan. Showing everyone your charm, once again, I see. The cat's nictating membrane *could* easily be showing as she just was awaken from a nap. > > > Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. > > > It is a sign that something is not right. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I have never seen it in any of my cats, and the cat in the picture is far > from drowsy or content, he is being suspended in a garbage bag. The cat in the picture is not "suspended" in a bag at all but, in fact, was *sleeping* on clothing in the bag, according to the OP. Ref: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.anecdotes/msg/23da890dfc0c470b?dmod e=source Furthermore, she looks completely content. :) If you have never seen your cats' nictating membranes you must not spend very much time with your cats. When a cat is sleepy or content, they often will open their eyes and the nictating membrane will be showing for a little bit. I am sure many other posters here have seen their cats nictating membranes when their cats are drowsy. My cat does it when she kneads on soft clothing. She also drools. (But In your world that MUST be a sign of POISONING! Ack!!! - get her to the ER quick!!!) > But, again, let's let your New Best Friends "Hillary" etc. answer. > *snicker* Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly and a "sometimes" poster to alt.med.vet. I have no association with her other than I know she posts there infrequently. You can Google her and see she is indeed a board-certified vet. There are other vets around who post there, as well. I am sure one of them can enlighten you, since you are too pig-headed to put away your biases long enough to learn something. BTW, your friend Candace said essentially the same thing I did in a previous post: "Yes, cats have a nictating membrane or third eyelid as it is commonly called. Some cats have a little of it visible at all times (my experience is that round-eyed cats have it less visible than almond-shaped eye cats) and it is frequently visible when they have just woken up or are very sleepy. But if it remains visible and starts to cover more than just the inside corner of their eyes, it is generally an indication that they are ill." Ref: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/6ccf28e811d9c993?d mode=source But of course, if she had replied to your comment instead of me, this debate wouldn't be occurring. -L. (shaking head) My furry fat friend's rabid comments aside, it would be good to have the input of a vet on this. I am not the only one who thinks that when you can see the third eyelid regularly/contstantly that it is a sign that there may be a health problem. > My furry fat friend's rabid comments aside, it would be good to have the > input of a vet on this. > > I am not the only one who thinks that when you can see the third eyelid > regularly/contstantly that it is a sign that there may be a health problem. Now you are changing your story. What did you do - finally Google the phrase like I told you to do 10 posts ago? *I*, in fact, am the first one who said if the nictating membrane *shows continually* it may be a sign of illness. You told the OP that his cat's nictating membranes were showing and so she was sick and needed to be seen by a vet. You cannot backpedal now, a.shole. You have been caught doleing out the *wrong* infromation, and now are trying to squeak out of it. No way - the thread is extremely clear. Here is the original thread: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.anecdotes/browse_frm/thread/2e762fa 02d62e15b/b3afd125b1bd6039?tvc=1#b3afd125b1bd6039 Here is your original post: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.anecdotes/msg/9b9d96b7b633bed5?dmod e=source This is a direct quote from you: "Beth, the cat's inner eyelid is showing, which nearly always means dehydration and usually some sort of illness. This is the freak who enjoys watching his cats kill mice etc. that he posts photos of the dead animals. He's an a.shole--and now we know that he is an a.shole who does not take care of his cats. To the a.shole: your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is showing. Maybe you could take her to the vet instead of photographing her in stupid and potentially dangerous situations. a.shole." You clearly state "your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is showing." My reply to you was this: "This is the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted. Cats' "inner eyelids", called the nictating membrane, also show when they are in a half-sleep, drowsy state, or when they have been snoozing and/or are content. An apparent nictating membrane is only a sign of illness when it shows continually. " To which you replied: "Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. It is a sign that something is not right." We'll leave it to the vets. Ladies and gentlemen? http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg" You clearly were supporting the stance that the OP needed to take his cat to a vet because the inner eyelid was showing and that "it is a sign that something is not right." Now you are trying to change your story because you know you were WRONG. No way, Nancy. No one here is that stupid. Or are you NOW willing to admit that a cat's nictating membran *can* be showing when it is in a sleepy, drowsy or content state? -L. > > My furry fat friend's rabid comments aside, it would be good to have the > > input of a vet on this. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Now you are changing your story. What did you do - finally Google the > phrase like I told you to do 10 posts ago? Down, my fuzzy little stalker pit bull. I did not read that post. Are you surprised? Your posts rarely interest me, because you are an a.shole. This is a good question for the vets. They are here to disseminate information, not to bolster their understandably shaky sense of self esteem, as you are. > Down, my fuzzy little stalker pit bull. I did not read that post. Are you > surprised? Your posts rarely interest me, because you are an a.shole. You are lying because you have responded to every post I have made in this thread. Or are you saying that you respond eventhough you do not read the post? If that is the case, then it figures - you very often go off half-cocked with the wrong information. > This is a good question for the vets. They are here to disseminate > information, not to bolster their understandably shaky sense of self > esteem, as you are. I have no problem with self esteem. What I do have a problem with are morons like you disseminating incorrect information. Answer the question, Nancy: Are you NOW willing to admit that a cat's nictating membran *can* be showing when it is in a sleepy, drowsy or content state? -L. http://www.petcat.us/root_copy/questions.shtml Sometimes, however, if your cat is very sleepy, and very happy, they will sometimes show this membrane. http://cats.about.com/cs/resources/g/nictating.htm Nictating Membrane" Glossary Definition: Noun. An inner, third eyelid, which serves to protect the eye from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the third eyelid will partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet immediately, especially if other symptoms are present. Curiously enough, a very happy, drowsy, cat will sometimes show that nictating membrane. http://cats.about.com/cs/eyesvision/a/cats_eyes.htm The "Third Eyelid" Cats have an inner, third eyelid, called a nictating membrane, which serves to protect the eye from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the third eyelid will partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet immediately if other symptoms present. Curiously enough, a very happy cat will also show that nictating membrane. eye problems in cats http://cats.about.com/od/eyeproblemsandblindness/ > http://www.petcat.us/root_copy/questions.shtml > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > http://cats.about.com/od/eyeproblemsandblindness/ Thank you, Matthew. Maybe she will listen to you, since she sure as hell won't put her baggage away long enough to learn something from me. -L. >> http://www.petcat.us/root_copy/questions.shtml >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > -L. I did not post it to prove anyone's point just to stop the bickering <You know I like it real quiet so quiet that when one of the cat farts we know who did it> > http://www.petcat.us/root_copy/questions.shtml > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > http://cats.about.com/od/eyeproblemsandblindness/ So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy, well-cared for cats whose "third eyelids" I have never seen. I have, however, seen it in sick cats, thin strays, etc. My interpretation is, if I see it the cat is going to the vet. So what if "sometimes" it is a sign that your cat is "very sleepy or very happy." I'd rather err on the safe side. And when I see this is a cat enouraged to eat rodents by its a.shole owner, who then posts the dead rodent photos in the group, I am doubly convinced that a visit to the vet is in order. But then, I am not clipping didy coupins and wearing faux Payless Birkenstocks to save money. I do not find reasons not to take my cat to the vet, justifying it by saying that the vets "laugh at" people who bring them in at every sign of concern, as Lyn does. there is nothing wrong with erroring on the safe side if you have a furball you are parent there is no such thing as being wrong if you think something is wrong; as long as it is not a hypochondriac ( ??? ) thing. I panicked before I woke rumble up one time to see his 3 eye lid retract have never seen it before and have never seen it again since then. I rushed him to the vet. I have learned that L and you will never get along but that is between you 2. You both are very outspoken in your own ways. 223rem is extremely outspoken specially when it comes to declawing issue. And I believe it is a him choose to let people have it when it comes to that issue. His ( Her ) right to do so it is a free www Personally 223rem bad thing to let furballs hang out in plastic bags but that is my opinion and I am not placing my opinion on you just stating my opinion And any vet that would laugh at me coming in to make sure one of my children was ok after I paid the vet bill would be knocked flat on their laughing a.s. > And any vet that would laugh at me coming in to make sure one of my children > was ok after I paid the vet bill would be knocked flat on their laughing > a.s. You will never know they are laughing at you. They will smile in your face, happily take your money and let you out the side door. They will laugh at you before and after your visit. If it is bad enough, you will become a reference point for all other people like you. "Oh, is this one a "Carter" too? The point is, you have to have some common sense when it comes to taking care of your cat. A simple Google search will show you that a nic membrane is not always a sign of illness. You figured that out right quick. It's amazing that cyberdolt can't seem to do so. -L. >> And any vet that would laugh at me coming in to make sure one of my >> children [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > will become a reference point for all other people like you. "Oh, is > this one a "Carter" too? I don't have to worry about that my vet has been a family friend for almost 2 decades. And you can tell how the other person is if you know people. The first sign of as I call it down looking out they go right on their butts. To many years of dealing with the public has given me this insight when I met you within about 5 minutes I will know how you are. > there is nothing wrong with erroring on the safe side if you have a furball > you are parent there is no such thing as being wrong if you think something [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > was ok after I paid the vet bill would be knocked flat on their laughing > a.s. Thank you, Matthew. I still want a vet's take on this. > Thank you, Matthew. I still want a vet's take on this. Nothing wrong with that better safe than sorry hope the furball is ok > there is nothing wrong with erroring on the safe side if you have a furball > you are parent there is no such thing as being wrong if you think something > is wrong; as long as it is not a hypochondriac ( ??? ) thing. BTW - any person who brings their cat repeatedly to the vet for minor things is a hypochondriac, plain and simple. You have to have some common sense. Either that, or they simply are too stupid to own a cat. -L. > So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy, well-cared > for > cats whose "third eyelids" I have never seen. You simply are not very observant. > I have, however, seen it in > sick > cats, thin strays, etc. That's the point. Nictating membranes in and of themselves are not a sign of illness. Cats that are obviously sick, lethargic, or ailing, will *sometimes* have their nictating membranes showing. It is very easy to spot a sick cat with nic mambranes showing - they are not alert, responsive and they act sick. A well cat with nic membranes showing almost always are content or sleepy. >My interpretation is, if I see it the cat is going > to the vet. That's because you're an idiot. Common sense when it comes to cat health and behavior is not your forte. You're also the bimbo who brings the cat to the vet for every minor scratch or wound. > So what if "sometimes" it is a sign that your cat is "very sleepy or very > happy." > I'd rather err on the safe side. And when I see this is a cat enouraged to > eat > rodents by its a.shole owner, who then posts the dead rodent photos in the > group, I am doubly convinced that a visit to the vet is in order. The cat just woke up, according to the OP. It's highly likely the cat's nic membranes are showing because it is sleepy. > But then, I am not clipping didy coupins and wearing faux Payless > Birkenstocks to save money. Why do you think this is a fault? A fool and his money are soon parted. Besides, I do not use disposable diapers. As you well know, I use coth. I have posted about the coupons as I clip those coupons for my friends who do, which you also know. And while I have purchased shoes at Payless and see nothing wrong with doing so, the "faux Birkenstocks" you are referring to are Simple clogs. Simple are far superior to Birks for a number of reasons, and they certainly are not cheap. But of course, none of the facts of the truth of what I post fit into your tiny little world of "make fun of Lyn at all costs". You claim you "rarely read my posts" yet know the minute details of my daily life as posted to a.i.parenting. Hummmm...how can that be? Psssst....Your continuous pugnacious behavior and lack of integrity is why most people have you killfiled. >I do not find reasons not to take my > cat to the vet, justifying it by saying that the vets "laugh at" people > who bring them in at every sign of concern, as Lyn does. They do laugh at people like you. They have nicknames for people like you. When they see your phone number pop up on caller ID at the vet, they argue with each other about who will take the call because you are such a pain in the a.s and a waste of time. The vets *loathe* people like you because you waste time that could be better served servicing cats that are truly sick. You are the hypochondriacs of the vet world. Educate yourself a little bit and learn something, for a change. Put your biases on the back burner, shut your mouth and listen. (I know, it's an impossiblity, but we can always hope.) -L. * *So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy, well-cared *for *cats whose "third eyelids" I have never seen. I have, however, seen it in *sick *cats, thin strays, etc. My interpretation is, if I see it the cat is going That is interesting. I see the third eyelid showing in my own pet cats when they are lounging around sometimes, and I don't think anything of it. Obviously if there were other clinical signs of illness, or if the third eyelid were always visible, that would be something else entirely. -h.  SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx > * > *So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy, well-cared [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is > too dark to read." --Groucho Marx Ok, cyberfreak, If this isn't enough for you, what is? Let this be a lesson for you to put away your biases, shut your fat mouth and learn something, for a change. -L. > * > *So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy, well-cared [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Obviously if there were other clinical signs of illness, or if the third > eyelid were always visible, that would be something else entirely. Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would very likely be a sign that something is wrong. > Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would very > likely be a sign that something is wrong. No, dumb-as-rocks. She just told you that it WOULD NOT. How freaking stupid can one person be?!? -L. > Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would very > likely be a sign that something is wrong. No, dumb-as-rocks. She just told you it WOULD NOT. How daft can you possibly be? -L. > Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would very > likely be a sign that something is wrong. I think that's a fair assumption, because it would be out of the ordinary for your particular cats -- I think I mentioned earlier that the cat and the context matter. If I saw it in Hodge, I might be concerned, because he never gets that relaxed and it'd be out of character; I may have seen it when he had the fever a few years ago and was really out of it. In Pudge, I saw it once in a while when she was really relaxed, and when I knew her to be healthy, and it was briefly, for a few seconds, so it didn't bother me. It's like a physician's assistant who posts online says; diagnoses really have to be done in person, by a physician. Speaking of Hodge, he's yowling like a girl in heat. I hate it when that happens. Bet the neighbors love it, too. :) SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ > I think that's a fair assumption, because it would be out of the > ordinary for your particular cats -- No, cat's don't "magicaly" develop their own criteria for illness. The appearance of the nictating membranes in and of themselves on any cat is not a sign of illness. If they are accompanied by "clinical signs of illness", as the good doctor said, or they are "always visible," it is something to be concerned about. >I think I mentioned earlier that > the cat and the context matter. If I saw it in Hodge, I might be > concerned, because he never gets that relaxed and it'd be out of > character; I may have seen it when he had the fever a few years ago and > was really out of it. You may have just never seen him in a half-sleepy, drowsy state or really relaxed. The difference is, in a sick cat, it won't be fleeting - it will continue to show off and on when the cat opens his eyes. The cat will *look* sick. Did you see the face of the cat in the herpes thread? There are pictures with and without the nictating membrane showing. The cat is obviously sick - just look at his face. He is showing *other signs of clinical illness* - weepy and half-closed eyes. Sick cats with nic membranes showing will often sit hunched up, be lethargic, have discharge from the nose, eyes, or mouth, sneeze, etc. It will never be solely nic membranes showing, on a sick cat. > In Pudge, I saw it once in a while when she was really relaxed, and when > I knew her to be healthy, and it was briefly, for a few seconds, so it > didn't bother me. > > It's like a physician's assistant who posts online says; diagnoses > really have to be done in person, by a physician. Obviously, but for something as simple as a present nictating membrane, it's really a no-brainer. Cats often show them when they are sleepy or content. > Speaking of Hodge, he's yowling like a girl in heat. I hate it when that > happens. Bet the neighbors love it, too. :) According to cybercat, you better rush him to the vet, then! Howling is a sign of pain, you know... -L. > > Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would very > > likely be a sign that something is wrong. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > It's like a physician's assistant who posts online says; diagnoses > really have to be done in person, by a physician. Yep, that's true. I have always seen the third eyelid in cats that have obvious problems--strays and cats that are truly sick. I had mentioned this before when commenting on KitKat's baby Jasper, whose third lid shows in most pictures. He does have some health problems, but I hope I did not worry her unnecessarily. > Speaking of Hodge, he's yowling like a girl in heat. I hate it when that > happens. Bet the neighbors love it, too. :) :) Why is he yowling? Mommy not paying enough attention to him? > > > Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would > very [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > :) Why is he yowling? Mommy not paying enough attention to him? And this is obviously going to be your only response. No "Sorry I was wrong" no "Sorry, Hillary, for doubting your credentials" No apology to the OP for telling him his cat is sick and accusing him of neglect when neither case was true...and OF COURSE no apology to ME for challenging *everything* I posted which was CORRECT. Of course not. Your agenda is all too clear. -L. > Curiously enough, a very happy, > drowsy, cat will sometimes show that nictating membrane. Pudge did, but it was briefly before dozing off, and of course the rest of her attitude was one of health. If she had shown it any other time or for more than a few moments, I'd have taken her in to the veterinarian. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ > > Curiously enough, a very happy, > > drowsy, cat will sometimes show that nictating membrane. > > Pudge did, but it was briefly before dozing off, and of course the rest > of her attitude was one of health. If she had shown it any other time or > for more than a few moments, I'd have taken her in to the veterinarian. Thanks for adding your input, Diane. > I am not the only one who thinks that when you can see the third eyelid > regularly/contstantly that it is a sign that there may be a health problem. I used to see it for a few seconds on Pudge once in a while just as she was dozing off, like she was so tired she'd lost control, but it was rarely and briefly. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ > I used to see it for a few seconds on Pudge once in a while just as she > was dozing off, like she was so tired she'd lost control, but it was > rarely and briefly. I love the image of "so tired she'd lost control". :) You see it a lot in kittens when they are sleepy, especially when you try to wake them up when they don't want to be awakened! -L. > > I am not the only one who thinks that when you can see the third eyelid > > regularly/contstantly that it is a sign that there may be a health problem. > > I used to see it for a few seconds on Pudge once in a while just as she > was dozing off, like she was so tired she'd lost control, but it was > rarely and briefly. It has always been my understanding that seeing this so-called "third eyelid" is not a good thing. I am eager for the vets to weigh in. > It has always been my understanding that seeing this so-called "third > eyelid" is not a good thing. I am eager for the vets to weigh in. How many people have to tell you it isn't always a sign of illness before you will get it through your thick head? Jesus christ you are an idiot! Its not any different than a sneeze - sneezing is sometimes a sign of illness and other times not. Are you really that f.cking stupid about cat health? Don't answer that - obviously it's a rhetorical question... And BTW, the vets aren't going to respond, so "eagerly" wait all you want. Moron. -L. > > It has always been my understanding that seeing this so-called "third > > eyelid" is not a good thing. I am eager for the vets to weigh in. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -L. Do you feel better, Lyn? I am so happy to be of service. Just don't take your misery out on your child. > Do you feel better, Lyn? I am so happy to be of service. Just don't > take your misery out on your child. Fell better about what? About you being such a moron? Doesn't bother me - I am just shocked that a pet owner can actually be so stupid. And don't worry your pretty little head about my, kid, ok? And yes, that's a warning. -L. > > > I am not the only one who thinks that when you can see the third eyelid > > > regularly/contstantly that it is a sign that there may be a health [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It has always been my understanding that seeing this so-called "third > eyelid" is not a good thing. I am eager for the vets to weigh in. I think the context matters, as does the cat. I haven't seen it on Hodge, but I saw it a few times on Pudge when she was curled up with me, resisting sleep. :) I don't pretend that's an authoritative answer, just my observation. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ ........Hillary's busy with 3 kids and doesn't hang out here any more. buglady takeout the dog before replying > ........Hillary's busy with 3 kids and doesn't hang out here any more. That was Lynnie, the ex groomer pinging her. :) I am so surprised she is not in the loop. > ........Hillary's busy with 3 kids and doesn't hang out here any more. Thanks. I had seen her at mkp so thought she still popped in here sometimes too. I know there are a couple other vets online, but she's the only one I know by name. -L. * *buglady wrote: *> "cybercat" <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote in message *> news:43de40a2_1@x-privat.org... *> *> ........Hillary's busy with 3 kids and doesn't hang out here any more. * *Thanks. I had seen her at mkp so thought she still popped in here *sometimes too. I know there are a couple other vets online, but she's *the only one I know by name. :) SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx * *Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly !!! :) Actually I am a VMD. Regarding the picture at http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg I do not see anything obviously abnormal, except for the garbage bag around the cat... -Hillary "known Usenet entity" Israeli hee hee SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx > * > *Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -Hillary "known Usenet entity" Israeli > hee hee Thank you. Just for clarification, is it not true that the nictating membranes may show on a cat when it is drowsy, sleepy or content? -L. *Thank you. Just for clarification, is it not true that the nictating *membranes may show on a cat when it is drowsy, sleepy or content? Yes. It can also show under various other circumstances. One of my favorites is commonly known as "haws," and is a completely benign condition which will, as my optho lecturer put it, "get better in three months no matter what your treatment or lack of it may be," hee hee SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD "known Usenet entity" Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx hee hee > Hillary Israeli, VMD > "known Usenet entity" > Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth ........you been in the wine again? ;-) buglady take out the dog before replying > hee hee > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ........you been in the wine again? ;-) It does sound that way. :) * *"Hillary Israeli" <hillary@hillary.net> wrote in message *news:slrndtvm25.hlp.hillary@manx.misty.com... * *hee hee *> *> Hillary Israeli, VMD *> "known Usenet entity" *> Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth * *........you been in the wine again? ;-) My boss is considering sending out a press release. You know, we always get these mailings from local practices with specialists "Dear Doctor, Please be advised that Downtheroad Hospital has just hired specialist Jim Johnson, board-eligible in specialty-of-the-week. Please feel free to refer any specialty cases his way!".... So, he wants to send out a "Dear Doctor, Please be advised that Ourpractice now has available to your pet Known Usenet Entity Dr Hillary Israeli!" :) I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on the front. SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx > My boss is considering sending out a press release. You know, we always > get these mailings from local practices with specialists "Dear Doctor, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on > the front. LOL...glad to be of service. Sorta sounds sci-fi or something, eh? ST:TNG: Stardate 3482671. Today we found Formerly Unknown Usenet Entity Hillary Israeli.... -L. > > My boss is considering sending out a press release. You know, we always > > get these mailings from local practices with specialists "Dear Doctor, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > LOL...glad to be of service. Jesus. What a buffoon you are. LOL, indeed. > Jesus. What a buffoon you are. LOL, indeed. Um, no Dear. This thread has proven, without a doubt, who the "baffoon" is. -L. -- "To the a.shole: your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is showing." --Nancy, AKA cybercat, RPCH+B 1/29/06 > In <W7UDf.9726$vU2.6697@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Dear > Doctor, Please be advised that Ourpractice now has available to your pet > Known Usenet Entity Dr Hillary Israeli!" :) > > I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on > the front. .........Now the Tee I could see! .......but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be *known*. buglady take out the dog before replying > > In <W7UDf.9726$vU2.6697@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, > "Dear [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > .......but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be > *known*. It would be great. We need input from the pros. > It would be great. We need input from the pros. Not "we" Dearie - you. Most of us can do our own research, listen to others' input and have common sense and experience. Obviously you didn't learn a God-damned thing in this thread. Besides, a vet wouldn't touch H+B, since you and your screw-crew arrived. -L. *.........Now the Tee I could see! *.......but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be **known*. I do what I can :) The baby just turned one (!!) so perhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel... of course, I just added in an extra day at work, so... Interestingly, I just saw a kitten with severe conjunctivitis. I am pretty sure he has calicivirus due to the multiple tongue ulcers - but gosh darn it, I never saw an animal with such an ulcerated tongue from calicivirus who was still happily eating and drinking like this guy! SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx > *.........Now the Tee I could see! > *.......but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The baby just turned one (!!) so perhaps there is light at the end of the > tunnel... of course, I just added in an extra day at work, so... ........geez, I feel for you Hillary! Soon you'll have one more on his/her feet! Are they all boys? >but gosh darn > it, I never saw an animal with such an ulcerated tongue from calicivirus > who was still happily eating and drinking like this guy! ........Very weird - must be a critter who is insensitive to pain. Or else he used to be a dog in a former life - most likely a lab. ;-) buglady take out the dog before replying * *"Hillary Israeli" <hillary@hillary.net> wrote in message *news:slrndu6k4t.k75.hillary@manx.misty.com... *> In <3y9Ef.10068$vU2.7585@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, *> *> *.........Now the Tee I could see! *> *.......but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be *> **known*. *> *> I do what I can :) *> The baby just turned one (!!) so perhaps there is light at the end of the *> tunnel... of course, I just added in an extra day at work, so... * *........geez, I feel for you Hillary! Soon you'll have one more on his/her *feet! Are they all boys? The oldest is a boy, then there are two girls :) h. SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx > The oldest is a boy, then there are two girls :) ..........Enough variety to keep anyone happy! I have a friend that just had her 3rd boy a few months ago. I feel sooooo sorry for her......... ;-) buglady take out the dog before replying > * > *"Hillary Israeli" <hillary@hillary.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on > the front. It was a wonderful phrase, wasn't it? It made me smile, anyway. I would *definitely* get a tee shirt printed. "Hillary Israeli, VMD. Known Usenet Entity" Wow. You lucky thing! ;-) Tweed in England > Actually I am a VMD. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -Hillary "known Usenet entity" Israeli > hee hee Thanks--not that the pseudo-concerned oligophren who crossposted this thread was taken seriously to begin with. Google likes to sleep in that bag which is full of old clothes. A cat has sharp claws and teeth, and therefore can easily tear its way out of a plastic bag in case it gets entangled. > * > *Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Regarding the picture at http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg I do not see > anything obviously abnormal, except for the garbage bag around the cat... That kind of bothered me too. > * > *Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Actually I am a Pennwe There, fixed that for you. * *"Hillary Israeli" <hillary@hillary.net> wrote in message *news:slrndtvj4h.hlp.hillary@manx.misty.com... *> In <1138612715.544895.39860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, *> -L. <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote: *> *> * *> *Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly *> *> !!! *> *> :) *> *> Actually I am a Pennwe * * *There, fixed that for you. /me smacks josh with giant LART SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx Cybercat you are right, I wouldn't trust anyone signing their name as 223Rem ( a bullet for hunting small animals). >> > "Beth" <Beth_628_2002@ameritech.net> wrote> >> > >>>http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg > Cybercat you are right, I wouldn't trust anyone signing their name as > 223Rem ( a bullet for hunting small animals). You have no knowledge about ammunition do you you are thinking about a 22 a .223 rem is what the use in M16 you know the weapon the military uses. And 223rem is an ok person who is just outspoken about declawing look up google 223 rem is a bullet ( 223 Remington) and that's lethal has nothing to do with declawing M16 or .22 calibre anyone who names themselves after a bullet I would be suspicious of them. >> Cybercat you are right, I wouldn't trust anyone signing their name as >> 223Rem ( a bullet for hunting small animals). >> > You have no knowledge about ammunition do you you are thinking about a 22 > a .223 rem is what the use in M16 you know the weapon the military uses. > And 223rem is an ok person who is just outspoken about declawing NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER or it will come back and bite you in the rear I always say > "Beth" <Beth_628_2002@ameritech.net> wrote> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Maybe you could take her to the vet instead of photographing her in stupid > and potentially dangerous situations. a.shole. Honey, I know you mean well, but you're ignorant. Dont use words you dont understand. > > "Beth" <Beth_628_2002@ameritech.net> wrote> > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Honey, I know you mean well, but you're ignorant. Dont use words you > dont understand. That's just it. She knows nothing about cat health and behavior yet continually makes stupid statements like this. She's dangerous. -L. > > > "Beth" <Beth_628_2002@ameritech.net> wrote> > > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > continually makes stupid statements like this. She's dangerous. > -L. Heh. You bet. The fact is, what I said is true. I said "To the a.shole: your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is showing. Maybe you could take her to the vet instead of photographing her in stupid and potentially dangerous situations. a.shole." I can see the a.shole who enjoys posting pictures of his cats torturing and killing little animals objecting, but for you to is beyond priceless. When we see the third eyelid with any regularity it is time to see the vet. Especially when we are a single-eyebrowed piece of sh.t that encourages them to kill animals that might have been exposed to anything. How do you think the dead mole he posted a photo of got into his house? Had the mole been subjected to any pesticides? One of the most delightful things about you, hoss, is how you will pounce on any post you think you can take issue with--if I made it. Your bitter rage knows no bounds--no, wait. It does know a few bounds now. lol Now then, back to you, 222rem (jesus, what kind of cretin chooses a username that is the name of a rifle, of all the things you could have chosen?)--I repeat, your cats might be better off if you take more of an interest in their health and less in their predation. Hanging your cat in a plastic bag is not good. Bringing rodents into the house for your cats to kill is a little risky. Hoss knows this, but her obsession compels her to disagree with me. To my great amusement. Why don't you two do another turn around the room. The kneejerk Greenie anti-hunting, almost-vegetarian Lynnie and the frustrated Big Game Hunter, standing in the shadows with a camera while his cats torture mice to death. This is a dance worth watching. Laughter really is the best medicine, after all. That makes you two doctors. By God, I am generous today. > Heh. You bet. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > When we see the third eyelid with any regularity it is time to see the vet. Yes, it is. But that is not the case with this cat, and that is not what you have been arguing. You have been arguing that the cat needs to be seen by a vet simply because the "third eyelid" is showing. Showing the nictating membrane is not, in and of itself, a sign of illness, as you stated above. The cat just woke up, is sleepy and her nic membranes are showing which is not any need for concern. > Especially > when we are a single-eyebrowed piece of sh.t that encourages them to kill > animals that might have been exposed to anything. How do you think the dead > mole he posted a photo of got into his house? Had the mole been subjected to > any pesticides? I don't care. I am not concerned with his animals catching rodents - plenty of cats catch rodents - that is what cats do. What I *am* concerned with is you giving out wrong information. > One of the most delightful things about you, hoss, First of all, the guy's name was Hoss. You probably don't even have any idea where the reference came from. And if you think it is an insult, it's not - Hoss was a very likeable, gentle character whom everyone loved. Furthermore, unlike you, apparently, I am completely comfortable in my body. You may think fat phobia and disparaging heavy people is funny. It's not - it's cruel and bigoted, and quite frankly, extremely sophomoric. But that's not surprising coming from you. > is how you will pounce on > any post you think you can take issue with--if I made it. Your bitter rage > knows > no bounds--no, wait. It does know a few bounds now. lol No, you will recall I am an equal opportunity debator. I have taken exception with things many people have posted - including your precious, "untouchable" Phil, Megan, and even my friends Sherry and Cheryl. Unlike you, my response has nothing to do with anyone's "status", positive or negative, on the ngs. > Now then, back to you, 222rem (jesus, what kind of cretin chooses a username > that is the name of a rifle, of all the things you could have chosen?) That's cherry coming from you, "Lumpy". Maybe the guy likes REM and his address is 222. In your small world everything is black and white. >--I > repeat, > your cats might be better off if you take more of an interest in their > health and > less in their predation. Hanging your cat in a plastic bag is not good. The cat is not hanging in a plastic bag. How can the cat be "hanging" when both strings of the bag are showing? > Bringing > rodents into the house for your cats to kill is a little risky. Hoss knows > this, > but her obsession compels her to disagree with me. I don't care if he brings rodents into the house - it is his cat and his rodents. For all I know he buys them at a pet store and supplies them to the cat. He wouldn't be the first on the ng to do so. I bring rodents into my house and feed them to my snakes. This is not any different, as far as I can tell. My only concern to him about the mole is that they can carry lice. It isn't something I would do with my cats, but hey - I am not a control freak enough to care whether or not he does it with his. Geez! If the cats get poisoned or get worms (most likely outcome), so be it. Maybe the guy will learn it isn't that great of a practice. >To my great amusement. > Why don't you two do another turn around the room. The kneejerk Greenie [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > all. > That makes you two doctors. By God, I am generous today. You are insane. Please, get the help you need before you hurt yourself. -L. >> >> Uhm...from the look on your cat's face, it's not too happy about being >in the bag. I can't decide if its eyes look sleepy or upset. >Beth, the cat's inner eyelid is showing, which nearly always means >dehydration and usually some sort of illness. Wow, I better not post the super cute pic I have of my cat I found lying in the leg of a pair of jeans I left on the bed with her little head sticking out at the bottom open part; she is sleepy and part of her eye membrane is showing. I might be accused of "stuffing" my "sick" cat into the leg! Kelcey
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