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candybear@gmail.com - 18 Jan 2006 19:24 GMT
I adopted what I believe to be a Main Coone/black cat mix from a friend
who either wouldn't or couldn't get her female cat (the black, very
tall and lean) spayed and was constantly being impregnated by the
neighborhood alley cat.  I knew the cat wouldn't get proper healthcare
or love in that environment, so I brought him home as soon as he was
weaned. He is currently 1.5 y/o, indoors only, spayed male and
declawed.  Admittedly, I am an animal lover and although I want the
best for my animals, and have owned several types of creatures, cats
have been my favourite and I have a real soft spot for them.  This cat
has developed a behavioral problem that I don't quite know how to
break...

I feed my cat once daily, up to the top of his bowl, and give him fresh
water twice daily, to the top of his bowl.  Since the father of the cat
is semi-unknown I really have no idea what size to expect him to grow
to fully, and he empties his bowl almost 1/2-3/4 of the way through the
day now.  I don't want him to be hungry, so when I see the bowl
completley empty, I fill it up a little.  But when his bowl is left
empty for even a few hours, for example if he eats the last of his food
during the night before I wake up or while I am gone during the day, I
go into his room, and find the old IAMS food bag dragged out of the
garbage can and chewed, shredded up into bits!  It breaks my heart to
think that I left him hungry, but as he's been doing this more and more
frequently over the past 6 months, and he's always been a bit on the
heavy side, I wonder if he just isn't overeating because he is bored,
or if it is because he knows that me finding the shredded food bag
immediately makes me pet him, and feed him?

Either way, I really DON'T think he's actually hungry, because he's got
a little fuzzy belly, and I'd rather not OVER-feed him and keep him
chubby.  How can I get him to stop destroying his food and treat bags?
Do you think it is for attention or is he distressed?
wester@laway.net - 18 Jan 2006 22:46 GMT
>I adopted what I believe to be a Main Coone/black cat mix from a friend
>who either wouldn't or couldn't get her female cat (the black, very
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>chubby.  How can I get him to stop destroying his food and treat bags?
>Do you think it is for attention or is he distressed?

Well, Maine coons are noted for their size. They get really big, but
your boy at 1.5 years should be full grown. Ask your vet what his
ideal weight should be.

You might want to get him a companion cat if you think he's bored. I
leave dry food out for my two all the time and food has never been an
issue. They eat until they're full, then stop. Maybe some silly cat
toys, like sparkle balls, would help.

Put the trash can away someplace where he can't get to it.

Also, just curious, but why the declaw?
NMR - 18 Jan 2006 22:51 GMT
Cats and dogs will dig into the trash when they smell food it is a normal
reaction.

We have food down for our 5 cats at all times they could eat till they puke
but still will get into the trash to get at something they smell tempting if
I let them.

Go to the pet store and get a feeder that you can fill up and will keep the
bowl full  just remember that an cat will become a fat cat if you let them
and that is not healthy.  If they have access to food at all times they need
exercise just like humans do.

Please tell me the cat was declawed when you got him.
~*Connie*~ - 19 Jan 2006 00:49 GMT
> Either way, I really DON'T think he's actually hungry, because he's got
> a little fuzzy belly, and I'd rather not OVER-feed him and keep him
> chubby.  How can I get him to stop destroying his food and treat bags?
> Do you think it is for attention or is he distressed?

lol.. I have the same problem with one of my cats.  The first time he chewed
into a bag of treats I was amused.. after that I just became concerned that
he would become blocked if he ate the packaging.

he could be that hungry, but I doubt it.  He's probably bored.  Another cat
might solve that, but my boy has 5 other playmates.  I would recommend a
playmate, but if you are pro declaw, please find one already declawed at the
shelter.  There are lots of them there for lots of different reasons.  They
could use a home.

You should take your boy to the vet to make sure he isn't underweight or
have any underlying medical issue.  If the vet says he's normal, you could
find cat toys that dispense treats through out the day.  I have a ball that
talks in my voice when rolled the right way and a treat dispenses.  There
are also kitty kongs - toys you stuff with food so the cat has to work to
get it out.  You could also hide treats in the house so he has to "hunt" for
them.
candybear@gmail.com - 19 Jan 2006 02:02 GMT
In reply to the anti-declaw comments, I have been a cat lover for many
years, and have done thorough research into the ins and outs of what
many people consider to be an inhumane practice.  The place where I
live is extremely restrictive, considering that my fiancee's
grandmother is the landlord and she is EXTREMELY picky, and also
extremely not pet friendly.  She was revolted when I had explained to
her that I had kept many kinds of animals, rats, frogs, turtles, even a
sugar glider at one point.  All of the existing furniture in the house
belongs to her and much to my dismay, that includes a completely
pristine, white leather livingroom set.

He NEVER ever had a scratching problem until one day, when has was 6
months old or so, my fiancee's sister brought her 3 y/o spayed male,
OUTDOOR CLAWED cat into our house so we could sit him while she was out
of town.  Almost IMMEDIATELY, my cat began to mimic the behavior he saw
in the older boy cat and I had to call around for weeks before I could
find a restoration place that would fix the huge puncture marks in our
furniture, which again, does not belong to us.  When the landlord found
out, she was ready to grab my poor kitty by the scruff and hurl him
headfirst into the street.  I considered allowing him to be an outdoor
cat, although I had never had one.  As I mentioned before, the other
cat was an outdoor, but I wanted to see how he dealt with life at my
current location before I decided to let my cat out.  Well, would you
guess that not even 2 days later, that cat came in with a HUGE gouge
over his left eye, beneath the ear.  It only took a little
investigation to find out that behind the condo where I live, there is
a drop-off into a little ravine where there are maybe 20, what i would
describe as feral cats living.  This is an extremely mild-temperatured
neighboorhood in Orange County, CA and many previously owned pets live
outdoors now, including an entire troupe of macaw parrots that were
released by an eccentric resident in the 80's.  After that, I tried
everything, but it could not be stopped, he would NOT stop ruining our
house and it was putting an extremely stressful situation on not only
my living arrangement but my relationship with my fiancee's family.
After a long time, and trying different arrangements (plastic claw
covers that stay on for a few weeks, etc.) nothing worked and I simply
could not afford to continue to repair our ruined house.  I finally had
him declawed about 4 months ago, and he recovered perfectly.  He was
not even angry, when I brought him home from the vet, and after his
spay/immunization trip, he hid for days.
candybear@gmail.com - 19 Jan 2006 02:08 GMT
Also: The cat had nothing done to him when I got him.  In fact, the
mother cat in question is still being impregnated to this day, and it
once mothered a litter to one of her sons!  All of the kittens born
were deformed and died.  I am not friends with that girl anymore
because of what she has done to animals.

My poor little boy had fleas, even at 7 weeks old, he was covered!  I
had to have him treated for fleas almost immediately after I got him
home, and incurred approximately $600 worth of other vet fees just to
get him healthy and comfortable, which is quite a bit of money for a
secretary like me!

Kitty kongs I have never heard of, thank you for all of the great
advice!  Originally, I really wanted to get him a playmate, it is just
unfortunate, the response from my landlord!  How can you hate on
kitties!!! so mean :(
Karin Gillette - 19 Jan 2006 02:14 GMT
I understand the money.  I too will find a way to take care of my cats.
Thank you for spending the money to get him healthy.

> Also: The cat had nothing done to him when I got him.  In fact, the
> mother cat in question is still being impregnated to this day, and it
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> unfortunate, the response from my landlord!  How can you hate on
> kitties!!! so mean :(
(PeteCresswell) - 19 Jan 2006 02:40 GMT
Per candybear@gmail.com:
> But when his bowl is left
>empty for even a few hours, for example if he eats the last of his food
>during the night before I wake up or while I am gone during the day, I
>go into his room, and find the old IAMS food bag dragged out of the
>garbage can and chewed, shredded up into bits!

I suspect that, like people, some cats have eating disorders.

Our cat eats a little and then stops - presumably when full - and comes back
later, even when some of the food is canned tuna, which seems tb it's favorite
food.

One of our neighbor's cats, OTOH, seems willing to eat everything in sight.
Every so often it slips into our house, makes a bee-line for the cat's food bowl
and just gobbles it up.   This cat is pretty good sized and definitely gets
enough to eat.    

I've seen it lick an empty bowl.   Last time it got in, I picked up our cat's
bowl and walked it out to the patio - expecting the neighbor's cat to follow me
out.   It did follow, but not before licking every crumb of dried food that had
spilled onto the floor.

We leave the garage door open a little to provide refuge for our cat if/when it
is outside.   We have had to change the storage area for cat food to something
far enough off the floor that the neighbor's cat cannot get to it because in the
past it had worked it's way through the bag into the food.

Nice cat, but I'm betting that in a few years it gets really fat.
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