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Family Pet Found Stabbed And Spray Painted Is Recovering

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whayface - 07 Jan 2006 14:47 GMT
(TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This isn't
the first time this cat has been the victim of a vicious crime.

When Dawn Thierbach found her cat, spud, sitting in his favorite spot on
their porch last week at 4:00 in the morning, he was clinging to life covered
in white spray paint and blood from more than a dozen stab wounds. They
rushed him to the local vet.

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Full story at http://wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=4325469

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Spot - 07 Jan 2006 15:51 GMT
Now you'd think that they would have enough damned sense to keep him inside
where he'd be safe.  This is exactly why it's not safe to let any pet
outside by itself.

Celeste

> (TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
> stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Full story at http://wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=4325469
Beth - 07 Jan 2006 16:06 GMT
> Now you'd think that they would have enough damned sense to keep him
> inside where he'd be safe.  This is exactly why it's not safe to let any
> pet outside by itself.
>
> Celeste

Well in the owner's defense, lots of cats all around are strictly outdoor
cats and survive it just fine from day one.  Personally, my cat is indoor
only because I live in a city and in an apartment building.  Someday when I
get a house and a nice fenced in yard, she'll be able to go outside.
However, I will probably only let her out when I'm around.  Tons of cat
owners have pet doors and as cats are nocturnal animals, they probably go
out at night on their own a lot.  It's not the owner's fault that there are
sick people who did this to the cat.
Beth
bearclaw@cruller.invalid - 07 Jan 2006 17:11 GMT
<snip>

I'm glad you keep your sweet pet indoors. May she live long and sassy.

> cats are nocturnal animals

This is one mistake in your post. Might there be others?

Though it is a common misperception, housecats are technically not
nocturnal creatures. They are crepuscular, a trait shared by their large
wild cousins. That's why housecats act as alarm clocks for many owners.
Beth - 07 Jan 2006 18:43 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> nocturnal creatures. They are crepuscular, a trait shared by their large
> wild cousins. That's why housecats act as alarm clocks for many owners.

Whatever it's called, the fact is that cats are active when we're asleep and
if there's a cat door available, they go outside if they want to.  And I
don't really see what other mistake there might be in my post.  I don't
actually care if they're classified as nocturnal or not, that wasn't the
point.  The point was that the owner was being blamed for the cat getting
abused when in reality, had this not happened to the cat, no one would have
cared had that cat owner been a poster on this group and made a post about
something else where it was mentioned that the cat was indoor/outdoor or
just an outdoor cat.  I know some people who post here who say their cats
are regularly outdoors.  So all I was saying was that it's not right to be
getting bitchy about the owner letting the cat outside because this
happened.  Lots of people do it, including some who post here.  My
grandmother's cat survived outside in a rural neighborhood in a non-fenced
in yard for 15 years before dying from natural causes.  So, believe me, it
is possible and there is nothing wrong with letting your cat outside.  That,
not whether or not they are nocturnal, is the point I was making.
edie humperdink - 08 Jan 2006 08:13 GMT
> They are crepuscular, a trait shared by their large > wild cousins. That's why housecats act as alarm clocks for many owners.

crepuscu..WHATyoutalkingboutwillis?

My cat sleeps when I do, and wake when I do.
White Monkey - 09 Jan 2006 09:53 GMT
>> They are crepuscular, a trait shared by their large > wild cousins.
>> That's why housecats act as alarm clocks for many owners.
>
> crepuscu..WHATyoutalkingboutwillis?

Crepuscular. Most active at twilight and gloaming.
--Katrina
Spot - 08 Jan 2006 16:24 GMT
My point was that they stated that the cat had been abused before.  That is
why I said you'd think they'd have enough damned sense to keep it in.

>> <snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> your cat outside.  That, not whether or not they are nocturnal, is the
> point I was making.
JohnWesley - 11 Jan 2006 05:19 GMT
> My point was that they stated that the cat had been abused before.  That is
> why I said you'd think they'd have enough damned sense to keep it in.

You're point is well taken. They really didn't give a damn about the cat
or they would have.

Also lots of people don't like to have their yard covered in Cat poop.  
My neighbor lets her cats run wild.  They are from feral parents, have
no shots rabies or otherwise.  Animal control will do nothing about it
but give us traps that they are too smart to get into.  

I don't have a lot of respect for people that let any animal run wild
and deficate on my property and leave germs that may harm my puppy!
Will-Lee-Cue - 11 Jan 2006 22:52 GMT
> Also lots of people don't like to have their yard covered in Cat poop.

What ???
John, do you know anything about cats?

> I don't have a lot of respect for people that let any animal run wild
> and deficate on my property and leave germs that may harm my puppy!

Ok,  I see ... you are a dog person.
Hey ... that is OK.
They are all Gods creatures just as much as we are.
I like puppys and dogs as much as cats.

Really ... a cat is pickey about where it poops and will try to hide or
cover it.
They prefer loose soil, sand, or gravel to bury it in.
I bet if you provided a cat litter box somewhere in the corner of your back
yard the cats would all use it saving you a lot of clean up time.
Sometimes, you just got to out smart the cats.

Willee
JohnWesley - 12 Jan 2006 00:07 GMT
> > Also lots of people don't like to have their yard covered in Cat poop.
>
> What ???
> John, do you know anything about cats?

Yup, had them as kids.  Worked at a vet hospital 4 years as a kid.  I
know a little about them.

> > I don't have a lot of respect for people that let any animal run wild
> > and deficate on my property and leave germs that may harm my puppy!
>
> Ok,  I see ... you are a dog person.

I don't have respect for people that let their dogs run loose either( or
alligators or tigers or anything else for that matter)

> Hey ... that is OK.
> They are all Gods creatures just as much as we are.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> cover it.
> They prefer loose soil, sand, or gravel to bury it in.

These tend to like pine straw in my flower beds!

> I bet if you provided a cat litter box somewhere in the corner of your back
> yard the cats would all use it saving you a lot of clean up time.

Now thats the best idea I've heard yet!

Thanks Will!

> Sometimes, you just got to out smart the cats.
>
> Willee
Allan - 26 Mar 2006 22:18 GMT
I have a pet Rhino, he doesn't bite, but, he will ram the hell out of
you. One time he got out and pooped on the neighbors flower bed.
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:07:53 GMT, JohnWesley
<johnwesley1987@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> > Also lots of people don't like to have their yard covered in Cat poop.
>>
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>>
>> Willee
David G Fisher - 15 Jan 2006 20:54 GMT
>> <snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> your cat outside.  That, not whether or not they are nocturnal, is the
> point I was making.

Actually, there is something very, very wrong about letting a cat outside.

Cats are not a native species in the U.S. or UK (or just about anywhere
else), and therefor other animals have no instinctual defense mechanisms
against them. Outdoor cats kill over a billion wild animals every year in
the u.s.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/predation.pdf

Just because grandma did it.....doesn't mean it's right.

Dave
John Wesley - 16 Jan 2006 23:32 GMT
> Actually, there is something very, very wrong about letting a cat outside.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Dave

Grandma shot loose cats with a .22 rifle until the police chief made her
stop.
mlbriggs - 07 Jan 2006 18:34 GMT
>> Now you'd think that they would have enough damned sense to keep him
>> inside where he'd be safe.  This is exactly why it's not safe to let any
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> sick people who did this to the cat.
> Beth

A serial killer in the making.  I wonder if they will even try to find out
who it is?  MLB
Beth - 07 Jan 2006 18:45 GMT
>>> Now you'd think that they would have enough damned sense to keep him
>>> inside where he'd be safe.  This is exactly why it's not safe to let any
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> A serial killer in the making.  I wonder if they will even try to find out
> who it is?  MLB

Let's hope so.  Some cases of animal abuse have resulted in jail time or in
the case of that one woman, in Michigan (I think) that was sentenced to
spend the night in the woods where she dropped off a bunch of poor kittens.
Beth
Even nicer guy - 08 Jan 2006 09:16 GMT
> Now you'd think that they would have enough damned sense to keep him inside
> where he'd be safe.  This is exactly why it's not safe to let any pet
> outside by itself.

What crap - you must live in the US. Here in NZ cats are free to go outside
and people are civilised.

G
JohnWesley - 11 Jan 2006 05:22 GMT
> > Now you'd think that they would have enough damned sense to keep him
> inside
> > where he'd be safe.  This is exactly why it's not safe to let any pet
> > outside by itself.
> >
> What crap - you must live in the US. Here in NZ cats are free to go outside

And crap all over the world.

> and people are civilised.
>
> G

I'm sure you're civilised neighbors love you!
Ivor Jones - 11 Jan 2006 16:32 GMT
[snip]

> > What crap - you must live in the US. Here in NZ cats
> > are free to go outside
>
> And crap all over the world.

And you're free to spout your crap here.

Just because you live in an uncivilised part of the world where it isn't
safe to let cats out, don't moan at others who live where it's perfectly
ok. I've had cats at this house for 30 years, all have been free to come
and go as they please and they all lived to 14/15/17 plus with no
problems. Nor did they "crap" anywhere except their own garden or litter
boxes.

At least we don't mutilate our cats by declawing them here.

Ivor
JohnWesley - 12 Jan 2006 00:27 GMT
> [snip]
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Just because you live in an uncivilised part of the world where it isn't
> safe to let cats out,

Its not all a safety issue.  You missed the point.  Lots of people don't
want other peoples animals in their yard.

1.  How do I know your animals have had a rabies shot?  If not this
could endanger my pet and family.

2.  How do I know your animal has been vaccinated for Distemper, Parvo,
etc.?  Spreading this all over my property could kill my pet.

3.  How do I know if your animal has Coccidia or any other parasites in
its feces?  This could spread to my pet.

4.  How do I know your pet doesn't bite or scratch?  This could harm me
or my pet.

You are the one living in an uncivilised society if you let your pets
run loose.  Your pet can easily be killed by a car or other animal.  You
are the one who is uncivilised and uncaring of your neighbors and your
pet.

> don't moan at others who live where it's perfectly
> ok. I've had cats at this house for 30 years, all have been free to come
> and go as they please and they all lived to 14/15/17 plus with no
> problems. Nor did they "crap" anywhere except their own garden or litter
> boxes.

How do you know?  Do you follow them around all day?  No, I thought not.

> At least we don't mutilate our cats by declawing them here.

> Ivor
Ivor Jones - 12 Jan 2006 21:52 GMT
> > [snip]
> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> 1.  How do I know your animals have had a rabies shot?
> If not this could endanger my pet and family.

We don't have rabies here in the UK.

> 2.  How do I know your animal has been vaccinated for
> Distemper, Parvo, etc.?  Spreading this all over my
> property could kill my pet.

This is commonplace also here. I volunteer at a cat rescue shelter, all
our cats are blood tested, vaccinated and microchipped before they leave
for homes.

> 3.  How do I know if your animal has Coccidia or any
> other parasites in its feces?  This could spread to my
> pet.

You don't, but then if I were to meet you I wouldn't know if you had some
communicable disease either. Sometimes you just have to trust people (and
cats).

> 4.  How do I know your pet doesn't bite or scratch?  This
> could harm me or my pet.

In my experience, cats only do this if they feel they are in danger. Are
you doing anything to the cat to make it feel this way..?

> You are the one living in an uncivilised society if you
> let your pets run loose.  Your pet can easily be killed
> by a car or other animal.

Not here. I live in a road where there are very few cars, it is not a
through road so traffic is minimal.  We do not have the predators here
that may be commonplace in other parts of the world.

>  You are the one who is
> uncivilised and uncaring of your neighbors and your pet.

Wrong. You do not know me, my cat, or my area.

> > don't moan at others who live where it's perfectly
> > ok. I've had cats at this house for 30 years, all have
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> How do you know?  Do you follow them around all day?  No,
> I thought not.

I do know, because the furthest they go is next door's garden.
Incidentally, my neighbour's children have rabbits in the garden, they get
on fine.

Next question..?

Ivor
John Wesley - 13 Jan 2006 04:35 GMT
> We don't have rabies here in the UK.

Well we do in the US and its a very big problem with stray cats in my
area of the country.  When it comes to my pet I don't trust anyone who
lets there pets run wild.  

> This is commonplace also here. I volunteer at a cat rescue shelter, all
> our cats are blood tested, vaccinated and microchipped before they
> leave for homes.

They have to be revaccinated each year and there is no guarentee people
will do it.  

> In my experience, cats only do this if they feel they are in danger. Are
> you doing anything to the cat to make it feel this way..?

I don't do anything to them.  They are wild animals.  I avoid them and
thier germs. They are feral cats that were born in the wild that the
neighbor feeds and never have had vaccinated.  

> Not here. I live in a road where there are very few cars, it is not a
> through road so traffic is minimal.  We do not have the predators here
> that may be commonplace in other parts of the world.

You don't have dogs?

Predators are common in my area of the country. (A racoon will kill a
wild cat and if not kill it give it rabies.)  The UK is one small little
island.  You have no idea what goes on in the rest of the world.  Go to
a soccer game and beat the crap out of someone in your so called
"civilised country".
Ivor Jones - 13 Jan 2006 09:29 GMT
[snip]

> Predators are common in my area of the country. (A racoon
> will kill a wild cat and if not kill it give it rabies.)
> The UK is one small little island.  You have no idea what
> goes on in the rest of the world.  Go to a soccer game
> and beat the crap out of someone in your so called
> "civilised country".

Yawn.. I give up, you are obviously anti-cat and/or a troll, so what you
are doing on a cat group is beyond me.

In any case I don't care any more, into the killfile you go. BTW, I have
spent plenty of time in the USA and other places so I do have an idea what
goes on. Incidentally, nowhere have I found anyone quite as obnoxious as
you. Goodbye.

<Plonk>

Ivor
John Wesley - 14 Jan 2006 02:23 GMT
> [snip]
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Ivor

I'm not in a cat group.  I'm in alt.med.veterinary.  You're
crossposting.  Incidentally, you are thick headed and very obnoxious.
David G Fisher - 15 Jan 2006 20:59 GMT
> [snip]
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Ivor

Cats are not a native species in the U.S., UK, or New Zealand, and therefor
other animals have no instinctual defense mechanisms
against them. Outdoor cats kill over a billion wild animals every year in
the u.s. Because you let all of your cats roam outdoors, you are responsible
for all the massive amount of animals they have killed in your country.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/predation.pdf

And yea, my fellow americans aren't very civilised.

Dave
Ivor Jones - 15 Jan 2006 21:27 GMT
[snip]

> Cats are not a native species in the U.S., UK, or New
> Zealand, and therefor other animals have no instinctual
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> massive amount of animals they have killed in your
> country.

The only animals my cat has ever killed are mice, which is their natural
prey.

And yes, I know. She never roams far from my garden.

Ivor
Jason James - 07 Jan 2006 16:06 GMT
> (TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
> stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This isn't
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Full story at http://wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=4325469

A similar case got the torturer 5 years jail recently here. Makes one want
to bring back public flogging,..then spray him with paint.

Jason
Margaret - 07 Jan 2006 19:28 GMT
> (TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
> stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This
> isn't
> the first time this cat has been the victim of a vicious crime.

Putting the general inside/outside debate aside, I think the statement that
this isn't the 1st incident would support keeping this particular cat inside
for its protection.  We as owners have the responsibility of keeping our
animals safe.

Margaret
C.B. - 08 Jan 2006 01:20 GMT
>>(TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
>>stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Margaret

What about children? If something happens to a kid is it always fault of
a parent? No. We do leave in a society and society also should be
responsible for many things, including scumbag kids who do torture animals.

Igor.
JohnWesley - 11 Jan 2006 05:24 GMT
> >>(TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
> >>stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> What about children? If something happens to a kid is it always fault of
> a parent?

I've never had a kid crap in my yard!

> No. We do leave in a society and society also should be
> responsible for many things, including scumbag kids who do torture animals.
>
> Igor.
Will-Lee-Cue - 11 Jan 2006 22:53 GMT
> I've never had a kid crap in my yard!

We have a swimming pool ... need I say more?

Willee
John Wesley - 12 Jan 2006 01:12 GMT
> > I've never had a kid crap in my yard!
>
> We have a swimming pool ... need I say more?
>
> Willee

YUCK!

LOL
whayface - 07 Jan 2006 23:29 GMT
>>(TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
>>stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This isn't
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>>Full story at http://wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=4325469

>Let's hope so.  Some cases of animal abuse have resulted in jail time or in
>the case of that one woman, in Michigan (I think) that was sentenced to
>spend the night in the woods where she dropped off a bunch of poor kittens.
>Beth

This above incident happened in Michigan also.

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John - 08 Jan 2006 08:55 GMT
The natural environments of all cats is outdoors in the fresh air.
This is something that can not be disputed and it is wrong to blame a
cat owner for allowing their cat outside. It would be more appropriate
to blame the people responsible for the cruelty to the animals.

John
whayface - 08 Jan 2006 13:23 GMT
>The natural environments of all cats is outdoors in the fresh air.
>This is something that can not be disputed and it is wrong to blame a
>cat owner for allowing their cat outside. It would be more appropriate
>to blame the people responsible for the cruelty to the animals.
>
>John

I went back and read the article again and I see nowhere in it that the owner is blamed
for what happened to the cat beause they left it out !!
sdaniel13@nyc.rr.com - 09 Jan 2006 12:05 GMT
It's important to debate the practice of allowing cats outdoors.
However, in this case, I don't think the owner of the cat is the
appropriate object of blame. If we blame someone, it should be the
walking pieces of excrement who stabbled and painted this poor cat.
They should be prosecuted. They should receive a punishment that's very
severe...severe enough  that they'll never be able to 'get away' from
it.  

Steve
whayface - 09 Jan 2006 13:40 GMT
>>(TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
>>stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This isn't
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>>Full story at http://wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=4325469

>Let's hope so.  Some cases of animal abuse have resulted in jail time or in
>the case of that one woman, in Michigan (I think) that was sentenced to
>spend the night in the woods where she dropped off a bunch of poor kittens.
>Beth

>It's important to debate the practice of allowing cats outdoors.
>However, in this case, I don't think the owner of the cat is the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Steve

I do not think it mentioned it in the article but on the news broadcast I seen about it
they said that whomever did this would be charged with a felony!!

Then last night I seen on the news where some was caught dragging their dog behind their
car!!!!  What the hell is the matter with people anymore.

My furbabies

http://members.aol.com/larrystark/
Jason James - 09 Jan 2006 17:58 GMT
> >>(TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
> >>stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This isn't
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Then last night I seen on the news where some was caught dragging their dog behind their
> car!!!!  What the hell is the matter with people anymore.

I dont think animal cruelty has increased, its just reported by the media
more. There will always be those individuals that are souless or mentally
deranged enought to hurt animals. That doesn't mean we should not respond
with appropriate punishment, in the past incidences like this were
covered-up or deemed not worthy of coverage, at least that has changed as
will the punishments.

Jason
JohnWesley - 11 Jan 2006 05:25 GMT
> The natural environments of all cats is outdoors in the fresh air.
> This is something that can not be disputed and it is wrong to blame a
> cat owner for allowing their cat outside.

So are dogs but the law requires them be on a leash and they are not
allowed to spread thier crap and germs everywhere!

> It would be more appropriate
> to blame the people responsible for the cruelty to the animals.
>
> John
Cosmo - 11 Jan 2006 16:26 GMT
>> The natural environments of all cats is outdoors in the fresh air.
>
> So are dogs but the law requires them be on a leash and they are not
> allowed to spread thier crap and germs everywhere!

What's with this obsession of yours with feces?
John Wesley - 12 Jan 2006 01:18 GMT
> >> The natural environments of all cats is outdoors in the fresh air.
> >
> > So are dogs but the law requires them be on a leash and they are not
> > allowed to spread thier crap and germs everywhere!
> >
> What's with this obsession of yours with feces?

I get tired of weeding my flower beds and getting feces on me.  I have a
fenced in yard.  I think the only feces that belong in my yard should
come from my animal not someone elses.  People should keep their animals
out of my fenced in yard.  I really don't think thats a lot to ask.
Cosmo - 12 Jan 2006 16:45 GMT
>> What's with this obsession of yours with feces?
>>
> I get tired of weeding my flower beds and getting feces on me.  I have a
> fenced in yard.  I think the only feces that belong in my yard should
> come from my animal not someone elses.  People should keep their animals
> out of my fenced in yard.  I really don't think thats a lot to ask.
.
To tell you the truth, I'm not all that happy with dogs (or any other
animal, it just seems like dogs are the most noticeable offender - and the
messiest) dumping in parks, even when their human cleans it up afterward.
How clean do you think this really makes that spot?  I don't see them
spraying disinfectant on the spot afterwards.  And since parks are where
little kids feel free to roll around on the ground...

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Will-Lee-Cue - 13 Jan 2006 13:51 GMT
> To tell you the truth, I'm not all that happy with dogs (or any other
> animal, it just seems like dogs are the most noticeable offender - and the
> messiest) dumping in parks, even when their human cleans it up afterward.
> How clean do you think this really makes that spot?  I don't see them
> spraying disinfectant on the spot afterwards.  And since parks are where
> little kids feel free to roll around on the ground...

Lord ... looking back at what I and the other kids did ... it is a wonder
any of us ever made it to our teens.
Swam in ponds and rivers, rolled around on any available field, shoes were
optional, never washed our hands, played with any animal that was brave
enough to get near us, searched thru dumps and industrial trash bins, and
rode our bicycles with NO protective equipment.

Willee
David G Fisher - 15 Jan 2006 21:02 GMT
> The natural environments of all cats is outdoors in the fresh air.
> This is something that can not be disputed and it is wrong to blame a
> cat owner for allowing their cat outside. It would be more appropriate
> to blame the people responsible for the cruelty to the animals.
>
> John

100% wrong.

Cats are not a native species in the U.S. or UK (or just about anywhere
else), and therefor other animals have no instinctual defense mechanisms
against them. Outdoor cats kill over a billion wild animals every year in
the u.s.

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/

http://www.abcbirds.org/cats/predation.pdf

Just because grandma did it.....doesn't mean it's right.

Dave
Ivor Jones - 15 Jan 2006 21:29 GMT
[snip]

> Just because grandma did it.....doesn't mean it's right.

Doesn't mean it's wrong, either. Your point being..?

Ivor
Will-Lee-Cue - 16 Jan 2006 03:04 GMT
David, your comments are kinda funny considering something must die every
day for you to live.
How many animals do you think people kill each year?
Don't be so narrow minded when you look at large numbers or so naive to
think you are smarter than nature.
Hell, we as civilized human beings still haven't learned how to get along
and not kill each other.

Nature will prevail in spite of mans misguided efforts.

Willee

>> The natural environments of all cats is outdoors in the fresh air.
>> This is something that can not be disputed and it is wrong to blame a
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> Dave
John Wesley - 16 Jan 2006 23:30 GMT
> > The natural environments of all cats is outdoors in the fresh air.
> > This is something that can not be disputed and it is wrong to blame a
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> Dave

You are 100% correct!  But you'll never get Ivor to see it.
whayface - 16 Jan 2006 14:22 GMT
>(TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
>stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This isn't
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>
>Full story at http://wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=4325469

The following story was gotten from:
http://www.mlive.com/news/fljournal/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1137253827197020.xml&
coll=5

when going to above site they ask for zip code and DOB for their survey

PETA helps in cat case Tortured pet survives multiple stab wounds
DRYDEN TOWNSHIP
THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION
Saturday, January 14, 2006
By James L. Smith
jmsmith@flintjournal.com

DRYDEN - A national animal rights organization has joined the effort to find the person
who stabbed a cat numerous times and spray-painted it Dec. 29.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is offering a reward up to $1,000 for the
arrest and conviction of the person who tortured 3-year-old Spud the cat, owned by Jeff
and Dawn Thierbach and their daughter, Molly.

"Animal abusers are cowards," says PETA Cruelty Caseworker Kristin DeJournett. "They take
their issues out on the most defenseless beings available to them. Area residents have
reason to be concerned."

According to leading mental health professionals and law enforcement agencies, animal
abusers often also pose a threat to people, DeJournett said.

In addition to 14 stab wounds, Spud's head was spray-painted white and he lost one tooth
and suffered other broken teeth.

One of the punctures went through the cat's nose through its tongue and into the roof of
his mouth, police said.

Extensive work by a local veterinarian repaired most of the injuries, and antibiotics have
stopped an infection, Dawn Thierbach said.

Police believe a screwdriver may have been used to inflict the wounds. The cat continues
to recover.

DeJournett also urged residents not to leave animals outside unattended.

PETA said it would forward an anti-violence public service announcement made by actor
Dennis Franz, formerly of NYPD Blue fame, to TV stations serving the Lapeer County area.

Anyone with information on the case is asked to call the Dryden Township police at (810)
796-2271.
Jason James - 16 Jan 2006 15:25 GMT
> >(TV5) -- A family pet is recovering after its owners say the feline was
> >stabbed, and spray painted in a terrible case of animal cruelty. This isn't
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>
> The following story was gotten from:

http://www.mlive.com/news/fljournal/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1137253827197020.xml&
coll=5

> when going to above site they ask for zip code and DOB for their survey
>
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> By James L. Smith
> jmsmith@flintjournal.com

[. . .]

It is true that a lot (not all) of adult criminals who have mistreated
others, have had a dysfunctional upbringing which included animal cruelty as
a symptom. According to the experts, they use animals such as cats because
the act can be concealed. Not in this poor kitties case however. Animals are
like children. They dont hate or judge, they just supply endless loyalty and
effection,...sounds very much like young children.

Jason

Jason
buglady - 16 Jan 2006 22:05 GMT
> PETA helps in cat case Tortured pet survives multiple stab wounds

......what did they do - take it for a ride in a van and kill it?

buglady
take out the dog before replying
John Wesley - 16 Jan 2006 23:21 GMT
> > PETA helps in cat case Tortured pet survives multiple stab wounds
>
> ......what did they do - take it for a ride in a van and kill it?
>
> buglady
> take out the dog before replying

Thats what they did in Virginia to a bunch of puppies!

PETA is a sham!
Will-Lee-Cue - 17 Jan 2006 00:47 GMT
> PETA is a sham!

PETA is a bunch of wackos!

Willee

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