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Having a cat in a bachelor apartment and declawing

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kurtcohen@gmail.com - 05 Jan 2006 04:11 GMT
Hi,

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on having a cat in a bachelor
apartment. I'm thinking of getting one but I wouldn't want it to be
hard on the cat, being in such a small space. The room is about 13'x15'
with a small kitchinette, hallway, and bathroom. It's really not that
much. I'm not sure how cats adapt and whether they'd be comfortable.

Also, a friend told me that declawing actually removes part of the
bone, so I wouldn't get my cat declawed. How would it affect playing
with them? I forget if cats' claws are always sticking out, or if they
just come out when they're playing etc.

Thanks!
Beth - 05 Jan 2006 04:24 GMT
> Hi,
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> Thanks!

First, make sure you do some research and are aware of all the things it
will require, like shots and check ups, spaying/neutering costs.
Personally, I have a 600 sq. ft. apartment that sounds similar to yours but
yours sounds more like an efficiency type apartment where the living room
doubles as a bedroom.  Is that correct?  My cat likes my apartment just
fine.  She has plenty of toys and widows to look out.  Of course, she also
has the human furniture she clamed as her own :)  She likes to snuggle up on
my bed or on the couch and that kind of thing.  It does sound a little
small, but as long as your cat would have a couple rooms to wander and
explore in, it will probably be ok. It would also be nice if it could
outside, supervised, if you're in an apartment building situation.  I have a
harness for mine and we go out some in the summer time in the cook
out/grassy area behind my building.  That helps too.  Just make sure you
give it lots of love and play time, (tip, they LOVE to chase laser pointers
for indoor exercise) and it will be fine.

As for the claws, it depends on your cat's personality.  Some are very calm
and some are a little hyper, especially kittens.  They do often do the
"attack cat" thing.  Mine flops on her back, paws up, begging for a belly
rub all the time.  90% of the time, she just sits there and purrs,
sometimes, she latches on and begins kicking with her back legs like a
kangaroo!  The claws don't stick out all the time but they do protrude a
little even when the cat isn't sticking them out if they get too long.
You'd need to trim them, your vet can show you how, it's pretty easy.  But
as for playing, just watch yourself to make sure the cat is not being over
stimulated because that can lead to the "attack cat" mode.  Make sure you
get a scratching post so it doesn't get the furniture.  Good luck in your
cat search!
Beth
NMR - 05 Jan 2006 04:47 GMT
If you want a example of declawing here is what would happen if you did the
procedure to a human    you would peel the finger nail back to the joint and
feel it happen possibly removing the digit to the second joint.  even while
under sedation a cat will cry out in pain when it is declawed.  This is not
an over example but plain fact

read up on declawing
http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/health-care.shtml#declawing

read up about getting a cat
http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/getting-a-cat.shtml

>> Hi,
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> cat search!
> Beth
Beth - 05 Jan 2006 05:11 GMT
The OP already said he wasn't going to declaw his cat if he gets one.  Let's
not get into a yet another "don't declaw your cat" discussion when the OP
isn't even thinking about doing it.
> If you want a example of declawing here is what would happen if you did
> the procedure to a human    you would peel the finger nail back to the
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> read up about getting a cat
> http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/getting-a-cat.shtml
NMR - 05 Jan 2006 05:14 GMT
Also, a friend told me that declawing actually removes part of the
bone, so I wouldn't get my cat declawed. How would it affect playing
with them? I forget if cats' claws are always sticking out, or if they
just come out when they're playing etc.

he asked I gave an example

> The OP already said he wasn't going to declaw his cat if he gets one.
> Let's not get into a yet another "don't declaw your cat" discussion when
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>> read up about getting a cat
>> http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/getting-a-cat.shtml
MaryL - 05 Jan 2006 06:12 GMT
> Hi,
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>
> Thanks!

An apartment that is large enough for you would also be large enough for a
cat, as long as you provide plenty of "equipment" for exercise and play.  In
other words, have a number of toys, get some sturdy scratching posts, and
(if it is possible in the space you have) get a cat tree.  If a cat tree is
not feasible, get a very tall scratching post because your cat will probably
use it both for scratching and for climbing.  If you get an adult cat, it
will probably already know how to play without scratching you.  If you get a
kitten, there will be a "learning period" while the kitten learns to keep
its claws retracted.  In either case, *you* must learn not to wriggle your
fingers or scratch your cat in such a way as to invite the cat to attack.
Many (perhaps most) scratches occur because the hoomin did not learn the
"signals" cats send out when play is becoming too aggressive.  Learn to
watch for behavioral changes -- position of the ears and tail, general
demeanor of the cat, etc.  When the cat has "had enough," don't persist in
trying to play.

Above all, have fun with your new feline friend!  This can be a great
relationship for both you and your cat.

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly:      >'o'<
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Duffy and Holly together:  http://tinyurl.com/8b47e
kurtcohen@gmail.com - 05 Jan 2006 13:41 GMT
Thanks guys I found this all very helpful :)
I just forgot to ask one other thing. Whether it's hard to bathe a cat.
I have a picture of my mom washing her old cat, and he looked kinda
pi**ed off
5cats - 05 Jan 2006 16:29 GMT
wrote:

> Thanks guys I found this all very helpful :)
> I just forgot to ask one other thing. Whether it's hard to bathe a cat.
> I have a picture of my mom washing her old cat, and he looked kinda
> pi**ed off

I'd say moderately difficult. But, it's very rare to need to bathe an
indoor cat.  They do manage to keep themselves clean without out help.

I don't think your place would be to small for a cat. Though, it would
help if you can add a cat tree or something else to climb on, that will
increase the effective space from the cat's point of view quite a bit.
There are some pole type arrangements that go from floor to ceiling that
take up just a little floor space.  
MaryL - 05 Jan 2006 18:53 GMT
> Thanks guys I found this all very helpful :)
> I just forgot to ask one other thing. Whether it's hard to bathe a cat.
> I have a picture of my mom washing her old cat, and he looked kinda
> pi**ed off

It isn't necessary to bathe a cat unless it has been outside and is
extremely dirty or flea infested.  A cat that is kept indoors and groomed
almost never needs to be bathed.

MaryL
NMR - 05 Jan 2006 18:59 GMT
My cats get a bath almost weekly due to their curiosity.  I am in the shower
and all of the will sit at the shower door going nuts that thye can't get to
me.  Now mind you this has been going on for years.  I open the shower door
or they pull on the door till it opens ususlly them.   Tthey all come
rushing in.  Than realize that death from of above is happening.  They run
out the door drowned rats go find mommy or somebody and complain loudly
while drying themselves that daddy got them wet.

Curosity killed the cat sort of to say

http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/general-care.shtml#bathing
Bathing
You should not ordinarily need to bath a cat. Cats are normally very good
about cleaning themselves, and for most cats, that's all the bathing they
will ever need. Reasons for giving them a bath are:
 a.. The cat has got something poisonous on its fur,
 b.. It doesn't take care of its coat as normal cats do,
 c.. You are allergic and need to bathe it to keep allergens down,
 d.. The cat is a show cat and about to be shown,
 e.. You are giving it a flea, tick, or lice dip,
 f.. It is unusually dirty for some reason (perhaps bad weather).
If you just trimmed your cat's claws, now is a good time. Having someone
help you hold the cat definitely helps.
If your cat is long haired, groom it *before* bathing it. Water will just
tighten any mats already in the coat.

Bathing methods:

 a.. Get everything ready. Warm water, selected bathing place (you might
consider the kitchen sink as being easier on your back and facilitating
control of the cat). Having water already in the tub or sink reduces the
potential terror to the cat at the sound and sight of the water coming out
of the faucet. Put a towel or rubber mat on the bottom of the tub or sink to
give your cat something to sink its claws into. If you have spray
attachments, either to the sink or the tub, those will help you soak the cat
efficiently. You want to use soap formulated for cat skin, as human-type
soaps will remove all the essential oils and leave the cat's skin dried out
and susceptible to flea infestations or skin breakouts. There are some soaps
formulated for allergic pet owners. Use sparingly and rinse well after
working through coat.

 b.. The garden sprayer can also be used. Fill an ordinary pressurized
garden sprayer (try a hand-pumped type that does *not* hiss) with warm soapy
water, put cat and sprayer in empty bathtub, and use the trigger wand to
soap the cat with one hand while hanging on to the scruff with the other.
Put the sprayer wand down and work the soapy water into the fur, and finally
follow with a bucket of water as a rinse. This procedure results in low
moans from the cats, but no shrieks.
To dry the cat, towel dry first. You can try hair dryers on low settings
depending on your cat's tolerance. Otherwise, keep them inside until they
are fully dry. If your cat is longhaired, you will want to groom it as the
coat dries. Give the cat a treat after the bath, this may help them tolerate
the process.
If the problem is greasy skin, you may wish to try a dry cat shampoo
instead.

If you are attempting to remove grease, oil, or other petroleum products
from your cat's fur, try using Dawn brand detergent first to remove it, and
follow up with a cat shampoo. Dawn is used by volunteers who clean up birds
after oil spills. Also reported to be successful is Shout laundry stain
remover.
kurtcohen@gmail.com - 06 Jan 2006 03:00 GMT
Thanks so much I really appreciate your time. It's better for me to be
well-prepared, it'll be better for me and the cat
Wayne Boatwright - 06 Jan 2006 04:50 GMT
On Thu 05 Jan 2006 08:00:31p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it ?

> Thanks so much I really appreciate your time. It's better for me to be
> well-prepared, it'll be better for me and the cat

Enjoy your kittie!  The first cat I owned was when I had my first apartment
back in 1966, and I've never been without one since then.  We now have five.  
My cats have always been declawed because they lived strictly indoors, that
is, until about 12 years ago when I learned how really horrible it is to
declaw a cat, and really unnecessary if you have the right things in your
house for them.  Our 13 year old cat is declawed, but our other four are not.

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And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

whayface - 05 Jan 2006 13:50 GMT
>I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on having a cat in a bachelor
>apartment. I'm thinking of getting one but I wouldn't want it to be
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>with them? I forget if cats' claws are always sticking out, or if they
>just come out when they're playing etc.

If you want a declawed cat check with the local shelters and see if any of them have one.
The Michigan Humane Society occassionaly has on in it "Pet Adoption" article in the local
Sunday paper here.
 
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