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4 Weeks Vacation: Take cat or leave at home?

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(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 01:17 GMT
If we were lucky enough to be able to get four weeks down in Cape Hatteras (i.e.
pretty good-sized rental house) should we think about taking the cat along or
just leave it to fend for itself at home with somebody looking in on the
food/water situation every evening?

If option B, we'd be reluctant to leave it inside the house.   Instead, we'd
leave the garage door open enough for the cat to get in and out of the garage -
where the food/water would be.
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(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 01:18 GMT
Per (PeteCresswell):
>down in Cape Hatteras

We're talking about 8 hours in a car for the 'bring with' option.
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Beth - 02 Jan 2006 01:45 GMT
> Per (PeteCresswell):
>>down in Cape Hatteras
>
> We're talking about 8 hours in a car for the 'bring with' option.

If your cat is a regular indoor cat, I would not under any circumstances
leave it in the garage with the option to go outside.  Even if it is an
indoor/outdoor cat, I still wouldn't do that.  Even outdoor kitties who
spend time inside will miss the comforts of home and will probably be
wondering just what she/he did wrong to deserve that.  The longest I have
left mine was for 3 weeks with a sitter at my home.  If you can't find a
sitter to stay, then just let the person who is watching the cat come in the
evenings to check up on food and water and maybe play for a little bit.
Personally, I think it's mean to leave it in the garage/outside.  Especially
since there will not be a person there all the time to make sure it stays in
the yard or doesn't get in any dangerous situations. Even if you have a
fence,things can still happen.  No offense, but that's just my take on the
outside/garage thing.  Now, if you have a house to stay in, I'd just take
the cat.  8 hours in a car isn't a big deal.  Encourage the cat to eat an
hour or so before you go, wait for it to use the litterbox then take some
bottle water and a little bowl or something for the water and maybe some
cold cuts or whatever treat your cat gets along with its regular food.  Make
a regular rest stop for yourself a while later and find a spot outside where
the cat would naturally go to the restroom and hop back in the car.  Really,
the cat will probably be asleep most of the time.  Your furbaby would be
most comfortable with you and some of its regular toys/blankets/whatever
your cat is fond of than being in a garage/outside.  I'm not sure where you
live, but if it's winter there right now, then I really wouldn't want it
left outside.  If you don't feel comfortable taking it with you, then leave
it in the house and maybe suggest  your sitter let it out for a while if
he/she has time when coming to check on food.  That's just my two cents, but
I'm someone who always leaves my cat at home where she's most comfortable
when I have to be away for a while.  If I have to be away, I just want to
make sure she's as comfortable as possible and things are as normal as they
can be with me gone.  So, to sum up, I think you should take her, but if you
don't feel comfortable doing that, leave her in the house.

Beth
(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 01:59 GMT
Per Beth:
>Make
>a regular rest stop for yourself a while later and find a spot outside where
>the cat would naturally go to the restroom and hop back in the car.

Wouldn't it become disoriented being out of it's territory?   Couple years ago,
I allowed myself to be cajoled into letting my granddaughter take her cat with
us when we walked down to a local park.   Beeeeg mistake.  The cat was *really*
upset - to anthropomorphize, terrified, even.  

I wouldn't want ours to bolt at a rest stop.   Maybe some kind of harness/leash
setup?
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Beth - 02 Jan 2006 02:08 GMT
> Per Beth:
>>Make
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> harness/leash
> setup?

Yeah, I would recommend a harness type leash for a stop.  My cat has been in
the car at most for an hour and she was curious at first and roamed around
but eventually she curled up on the seat and slept.  She may be scared to be
outside somewhere she didn't know and I only mentioned the rest stop because
she may have to go to the bathroom, but I think it's worth a small amount of
being scared to avoid 3 weeks of almost absolute solitude since your
caretaker would only be there for a bit in the evenings to give food.
Beth
carola - 02 Jan 2006 05:52 GMT
: Per Beth:
: >Make
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: I wouldn't want ours to bolt at a rest stop.   Maybe some kind of harness/leash
: setup?

We took our cat camping, it went very well. She wandered through the forest
all the time but was always near enough to see where we were.
Don't let it out for the first week or so, only with a harness.

carola
catgirl - 02 Jan 2006 04:24 GMT
>> We're talking about 8 hours in a car for the 'bring with' option.

Hi... please consider this too:  my 50 years w/cats and learning also from
others... As much as we might be insulted at first to hear this, what is
most important to our cats is the feeling of Security, not being with Us...
Cats need to feel secure, and their home is where they feel this security...
not in a cat carrier in a car... or in a strange place far from home... no
matter how much they love us... Cats can feel the distance when they are
taken from their homes... they don't know everything is ok, they just know
they are being taken from their place of security...   And there are
exceptions, sure, but... most cats are terrified in these situations.  Many
tragedies have resulted from people believing their cats will "enjoy the
trip" or "would rather be with me", etc etc... Please, if anyone has taken
their cat about on vacations or "visiting" or just driving around and it
worked out fine, please don't flame me for trying to protect those who may
not have such a pretty outcome.  In one blink of your eye, your seemingly
outwardly calm cat, newly arrived miles from home... will slip like water
from your grasp, out an open door, and be totally lost and likely die in the
attempt to find "home".  Especially terrifying for your cat will be to find
herself lost in a chatic outdoor world if she is used to being inside at
home.  Its not worth it.  Please leave him/her home where she feels secure.
Have a trusted friend check on her and see to her litterbox and food/water
etc.   Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I
don't understand about the "garage" part... but... if she is an indoor cat,
she will be fine inside for the 8 weeks without you.  She will be quite
content and safe...  Please... its just not worth it... the potential  for
terror and unpleasant death for your cat and heartbreak to you...  It is
kinder to your cat to leave him/her happily and securely at home...
please... just my 2 cents... Enjoy your trip and come home to your happy
little cat... Peace to you!
catgirl - 02 Jan 2006 04:39 GMT
And Beth wrote (snipped):
Make a regular rest stop for yourself a while later and find a spot outside
where
the cat would naturally go to the restroom and hop back in the car.

Hi Beth,
No offense, your post was great, but the above part terrified me...!!  BAD
BAD idea to stop somewhere like that along a trip and let the cat out of the
carrier... if you think this terrified little soul is going to go calmly
find a place to poo and return to the carrier or hop back in the car...
please... I would bet my bank account against it every time.  A dog...
MAYBE... but not a cat.   More likely she will run like the devil for the
first halfway secure-feeling spot and not move for a long long time... and
any approach by the "owner" will result in further fleeing... calling and
calling her will not work at all...  because she is terrifed of the
surroundings and the distance she feels from home.  And if you are thinking
about using a leash or harness, they can escape from these easily when
scared.    Again... please just avoid potential tragedy... for her sake, and
yours... leave her home... sorry for the second post, but... best intentions
here... Peace to all...
Beth - 02 Jan 2006 05:12 GMT
> And Beth wrote (snipped):
> Make a regular rest stop for yourself a while later and find a spot
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> sake, and yours... leave her home... sorry for the second post, but...
> best intentions here... Peace to all...

No offense taken, but I wouldn't leave my cat at home alone with someone who
is only stopping in once a day for a few minutes to check on food and the
litter box, especially not like the original poster who was planning on not
letting the cat stay in the house but instead leaving it in a garage with
the door partially opened so it could get in and out of it easily.  You
don't have to make a pit stop for a bathroom break for that cat if you don't
want to but I would rather have my cat with me if I felt the only other
option was to leave it in pretty much total isolation in a garage/outside
for a month.  They have a house to go to when on vacation and if they can't
keep their cat in a house then they should probably not bother with having
one in the first place.  I mean no offense to the OP as I'm sure the cat is
loved and it's good that he is seeking advice.  My cat clings to me when I
go away for a few days and come back.  Case in point, my family lives 3
hours away and both of my brothers and my father are extremely allergic and
sneeze and get red eyes and have trouble breathing around cats and they also
have a dog who does not take well to animals imposing on his territory, he's
a Chihuahua, if that paints any picture.  So, my kitty stayed at home for 5
days while I was home for Christmas and my apartment manager to stopped in
and fed her and brought his grand daughter and played with her for a while
every day I was gone.  She has NOT left my side at all since I got back.
She normally sleeps beside me in bed now that she's older, but now that I'm
back she has spent the last FIVE DAYS  sleeping all curled up on my chest
with her head under my neck and her front paws hugging me around my neck
like she did when she was a kitten.  Even though someone she knows played
with her every day she still missed me and as I type this she is on my lap
even.  I think if you have any sense about you you can keep a hold of your
pet if you travel with it.  Perhaps Pete could get one of those feliway
things that give out calming pheromones for the new house or something.  At
any rate, taking it with you is a lot less stressful on the cat than being
left outside of the home its used to for four whole weeks with barely any
interaction.  When I left my cat for three weeks when I went to Europe last
summer I had a friend stay at the apartment for the whole 3 weeks and my cat
was still all over me when I got back.  She missed me and I think Pete's cat
will miss its family too.  So, in my book the only options are taking it
with you or leaving it inside the house with a person to spend the night or
come spend the evenings there.  I'd rather have a cat scared of being in a
car for a few hours than one that's lonely for 3 weeks any day, especially
after seeing my kitty revert back to kitten habits after I've been gone a
few days.  Catgirl, I understand your concern and I'm not saying that
everyone should jump in their cars with their cats all the time, but if you
have a cat you should not leave it alone for a month.  It will be happier
inside its own home yes, but not when it's alone there for a month and the
OP is not comfortable leaving it inside for that month anyway and is leaving
it outside/garage for that entire time.   Pete, take the cat with you and be
careful of keeping it with you when outside the new home.  If you have a car
with a convenient place to put it, you could even get a litterbox or make a
"makeshift" one that you could put in the car and use plastic sifting liners
to clean it easily and the cat could go in the car and you could make your
restroom stop after your cat goes and clean it out throw the sifting bag
away so it doesn't smell up the car.  Then the cat wouldn't have to get out
of the car at all and you could harness it in the car before you get out for
your break so it doesn't follow you. I think it will get comfortable in the
new house after being there a few days, especially with its familiar toys
and other favorite things, like food, and a feliway pheromone thing to calm
it.    Definitely, before you leave the cat will be fine there since you'll
have been there a month.  Or, if you feel you must leave it at home, let it
stay inside.  If it's never done any damage before, it won't now. The poor
thing will be more confused as to why it's in a lonely dark garage with
nothing to do than it would be trying to figure out a new place. And I know
cat's are more solitary creatures than dogs, but they do get lonely too and
I think that is just as stressful as going on a trip when the loneliness is
lasting a month.  Another, less appealing to me, option would be to see if
your vet offers boarding.  It may be expensive, but my vet has a huge condo
where the cats can either be alone or with other cats and are let out to be
with the nurses in the office during the day so they get plenty of cuddling.
One the weekends someone comes in to play with the cats and check the litter
and food.  I've only left my cat for one night there when I moved apartments
in my building but they offer a great level of care for boarded pets and my
cat has been in for shots and flea medicines that she likes the nurses and
lets them pet her.  Again, it's not that great since it's not the cat's home
and the owner isn't there, but I'd prefer that to a garage/outside
situation.  If you like and trust your vet, I'd check into whether or not
they offer boarding and what exactly goes on with the boarded cats.  Sorry
that's so long, but my heart would really go out to your poor kitty
practically alone in a garage for a month.  I'm sure you're competent enough
to  be careful during the actual trip and remember...the cat will probably
sleep most of it anyway if you take  her.  Just my two cents...again.

Beth
(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 15:21 GMT
Per Beth:
> If it's never done any damage before, it won't now.

Therein lies the problem....

To put it in perspective, I had a collar/tag made for it that gave it's name,
our name, and address/phone number.   After a very short time, we thought better
of that and removed the collar.   Because....

...this cat's history is that it was a feral (more correctly wild, if 'feral'
means having been domestic before going out on it's own) kitten that somebody
pulled out of an alleyway in Philadelphia.  

The woman who adopted it had a boyfriend that abused the cat, so she turned the
cat over to my #1 daughter who has a number of horses, four dogs, several house
cats, a flock of chickens, and an undetermined number of barn cats.    

The daughter's husband was able to domesticate it to some extent by wearing
welding gloves and gently handling it until it stopped hissing/biting/clawing.
It was getting along with the other animals except for one rather large cat that
tried to make friends with it but was rebuffed.  After the rebuff, that large
cat started trying to kill 'our' cat.   Major fights in the house, stalking it
for days on end...

So, we wound up taking it off of #1 daughter's hands.     We've got it to the
point where it will approach us and initiate physical contact.  It doesn't bite
or claw us - but some of that may just our being knowledgeable as to what it
will tolerate.   If a stranger were foolish enough to try to touch this thing,
we could wind up putting some lawyer's kid through college.  

So no collar.

As far as leaving it in the house goes, our furniture has taken a beating
already.   We scold when appropriate and it clearly understands "No".  However
"No" to a cat seems more like "Oh, I'm not supposed to do this while those big
things are making that noise..." - as opposed to a dog, which seems to have at
least some rudimentary conscience.

Deploying scented fabric softener sheets on strategic spots has helped a lot,
but if we left it in the house we'd spend the whole vacation obsessing over what
we would find when we got home.

So no inside-the-house-alone.
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(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 14:52 GMT
Per catgirl:
>Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I
>don't understand about the "garage" part... but... if she is an indoor cat,
>she will be fine inside for the 8 weeks without you.

This is an indoor/outdoor animal.  The garage part was that we would (as we do
most of the time anyhow) leave the garage door open enough for the cat to get in
and out.     We would also move the food/water from inside the house to the
garage.

The concern being that the cat would shred the furniture in out absence.

The problem I have with the garage solution is that without us in the house to
let it in when it wants to get in, the cat would be exposed to hostile animals -
which could get into the garage as easily as our cat can - and have no place to
retreat to.
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Beth - 02 Jan 2006 16:06 GMT
> Per catgirl:
>>Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I
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> place to
> retreat to.

Well, I understand your uncertainty then about leaving it alone in the
house.  Does your friend who is checking on it know how to handle it?  I
really think your best option is to take it with you, especially if there is
a garage or fence at the other house so you can let it be outside the house
too.  I would just worry something would happen to it if it were left to its
own devices outside/in the garage where another animal or something could
get in.  Or, leave it with your vet if your vet does boarding.  In any
situation, the cat is going to be in a new and unusual situation so you just
need to decide which is best for its safety and well being.  I know they get
lonely and even a wild cat like yours will miss you, especially since it
seems your the only ones it likes to come to on its own for some affection.
I'd hate to have you come back in a month and write about how now it won't
come near your family either without being aggressive.
Beth
Catgirl - 02 Jan 2006 18:14 GMT
Thanks Beth for reposting parts of his letter that I didn't see.

Oh no... I apologize if I inadvertantly implied that our cats do not miss us
when we are gone... of course they do. Emotionally, cats are like adult
humans. And they don't forget, altho sometimes they can be a bit standoffish
sometimes when we return from a longer than usual absence. Its an individual
thing. Also, in my whole life, not that they can't exist, I've never seen an
"aggressive" cat... if you understand and empathize with the individual cat,
you can see that she isn't aggressive at all, it is actually DEFensive. She
is either scared or being protective.

If it was me, I still would take NO chances if I loved this cat. I would
leave her home, inside. Furniture at risk of kitty claws can be wrapped
securely in plastic sheeting... Leave articles of clothing about with your
scent on them. This will help to comfort her. A bit of litterbox mess or
other mess from her being strictly inside those 8 weeks, if you can get
someone to come and clean it out while you are gone, should be nothing when
her safety is primary, not human convenience. (most cats will instinctively
use the litterbox, they don't need "training" first... perhaps just to show
her where it is and scritch your hands around in the new fresh litter...) I
definitely agree with Beth about not leaving her in the garage. Potential
for disaster there!

I like Beth's alternate suggestion of Boarding, at a reputable place. It
won't be fun for the cat to be hauled off to strange surroundings, but after
a time she will settle once she realizes nothing bad is going to happen to
her and she is being cared for. Her safety is Number One, and she would be
safe there...

IF you choose to take her... and I do empathize with Beth's feelings on
this, I do!... please, please take extra precautions to prevent her from
escaping. 99% chance you won't get her back, and she will face a very
unpleasant fate. Get the safest, most secure harness system you can for
her... check with vet suggestions, store clerks might not know... and please
know that her senses will be extra keenly pricked for chances to escape...
Bad enough to escape in strange surroundings, but if she does so wearing the
harness and leash meant to protect her, will surely also contriubute to an
unpleasant fate. Cats can escape fences, too, that appear catproof.

Oh great... now *I* will worry about your little cat! ha ha... Beth will too
I'm sure!

Thank you for caring enough about your cat to inquire here, and thank you
too Beth for loving cats!

PS... am I "top posting"?  Is that frowned upon? LOL  Have to read up on
newsgroup etiquette again, so I don't inadvertantly insult someone about how
I post... if I did wrong this time, I apologize..!)

Catgirl

>> Per catgirl:
>>>Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I
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> now it won't come near your family either without being aggressive.
> Beth

>> Per catgirl:
>>>Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> aggressive.
> Beth
(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 23:19 GMT
Per Catgirl:
>PS... am I "top posting"?  Is that frowned upon? LOL  Have to read up on
>newsgroup etiquette again,

People complain bitterly about top posting.

I don't do it for that reason.

But I prefer to read top-posted messages over messages with the text at the
bottom of a very long quote.
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Cat Dude - 03 Jan 2006 00:21 GMT
> Per Catgirl:
>>PS... am I "top posting"?  Is that frowned upon? LOL  Have to read up on
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> But I prefer to read top-posted messages over messages with the text at the
> bottom of a very long quote.

So do I, but we seem to be in a minority.
Wayne Boatwright - 02 Jan 2006 02:26 GMT
On Sun 01 Jan 2006 06:17:18p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
(PeteCresswell)?

> If we were lucky enough to be able to get four weeks down in Cape
> Hatteras (i.e. pretty good-sized rental house) should we think about
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> we'd leave the garage door open enough for the cat to get in and out of
> the garage - where the food/water would be.

Have we been through this topic before, or was that someone else?

I would absolutely never leave my cat home alone without a cat sitter who
could do more than just "looking in" on him in the evening.  You can needs
more human interaction than that, especially if you only have one.

Furthermore, I would absolutely never put my cat outside the house in a
garage than any number of other animals could have access to.  There are
too many inherent dangers.

We moved two cats nearly 3000 miles by car and had not a single problem.  
We were driving two cars and we each took one cat in its carrier.  If they
were let out of the carrier during the day, they were harnessed and leashed
before opening the car door to prevent them bolting in possible panic.  We
took in litter trays and food to each motel room at night.  Both cats fared
well.

Because we now have 5 cats, we will absolutely have to have a cat sitter
the next time we take a vacation of any length.  The cat sitter will need
to come in each morning and spend at least an hour with the cats.  They
will also need to come in the evening and spend at least two hours with the
cats.  It's more than just making sure they have food, water, and a scooped
litter tray.

If I only had one or two cats, I would defintely take them with me for any
extended stay, no question about it.

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Beth - 03 Jan 2006 04:26 GMT
So...Pete...whatcha gonna do? :)
Beth
(PeteCresswell) - 03 Jan 2006 14:54 GMT
Per Beth:
>So...Pete...whatcha gonna do? :)

There's a third alternative: park it at my granddaughter's house.

The cat is familiar with her and her parents and they would do it, no problem.

The only zinger is that they go to work and the granddaughter goes to school -
but they've had a cat in the past and that was not a problem then...

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Wayne Boatwright - 03 Jan 2006 19:41 GMT
> Per Beth:
>>So...Pete...whatcha gonna do? :)
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> school - but they've had a cat in the past and that was not a problem
> then...

This sounds like the best alternative.

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Beth - 03 Jan 2006 22:37 GMT
>> Per Beth:
>>>So...Pete...whatcha gonna do? :)
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>
> This sounds like the best alternative.

Beth
LindaC - 04 Jan 2006 06:44 GMT
Hi Pete, you know your cat the best.  Does she travel well?  How much indoor
time does she expect? Etc.  Does she shred furniture if she left alone?  You
might put a log in the garage.  There is much good advice above

If you change her environment (granddaughter or the Cape) to a different
house, she will need to be kept inside at least 2 or more weeks as she
learns her new space and  becomes secure with it.  When you(or they) let her
out go with her at first.   If you leave her at home she should not have
access to the outdoors unless someone actually is staying at the house. It
is just too dangerous for reasons that you mentioned.  Can she have access
to the garage and some part of the house?

If you decide to travel with her, you could call your vet about whether to
feed her or not, tranquilizers, etc.  for the trip.
Some cats settle down quickly others would ride around your neck yeowling
all the way.   You should probably keep her in the carrier the whole trip
(consult vet).  Once in the vacation house, she must remain indoors as I
stated above.

Good luck, have a good time, and if she's with you, watch your doors.

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> Per Beth:
> >So...Pete...whatcha gonna do? :)
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