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4 Weeks Vacation: Take cat or leave at home?
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(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 01:17 GMT If we were lucky enough to be able to get four weeks down in Cape Hatteras (i.e. pretty good-sized rental house) should we think about taking the cat along or just leave it to fend for itself at home with somebody looking in on the food/water situation every evening?
If option B, we'd be reluctant to leave it inside the house. Instead, we'd leave the garage door open enough for the cat to get in and out of the garage - where the food/water would be.
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(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 01:18 GMT Per (PeteCresswell):
>down in Cape Hatteras We're talking about 8 hours in a car for the 'bring with' option.
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Beth - 02 Jan 2006 01:45 GMT > Per (PeteCresswell): >>down in Cape Hatteras > > We're talking about 8 hours in a car for the 'bring with' option. If your cat is a regular indoor cat, I would not under any circumstances leave it in the garage with the option to go outside. Even if it is an indoor/outdoor cat, I still wouldn't do that. Even outdoor kitties who spend time inside will miss the comforts of home and will probably be wondering just what she/he did wrong to deserve that. The longest I have left mine was for 3 weeks with a sitter at my home. If you can't find a sitter to stay, then just let the person who is watching the cat come in the evenings to check up on food and water and maybe play for a little bit. Personally, I think it's mean to leave it in the garage/outside. Especially since there will not be a person there all the time to make sure it stays in the yard or doesn't get in any dangerous situations. Even if you have a fence,things can still happen. No offense, but that's just my take on the outside/garage thing. Now, if you have a house to stay in, I'd just take the cat. 8 hours in a car isn't a big deal. Encourage the cat to eat an hour or so before you go, wait for it to use the litterbox then take some bottle water and a little bowl or something for the water and maybe some cold cuts or whatever treat your cat gets along with its regular food. Make a regular rest stop for yourself a while later and find a spot outside where the cat would naturally go to the restroom and hop back in the car. Really, the cat will probably be asleep most of the time. Your furbaby would be most comfortable with you and some of its regular toys/blankets/whatever your cat is fond of than being in a garage/outside. I'm not sure where you live, but if it's winter there right now, then I really wouldn't want it left outside. If you don't feel comfortable taking it with you, then leave it in the house and maybe suggest your sitter let it out for a while if he/she has time when coming to check on food. That's just my two cents, but I'm someone who always leaves my cat at home where she's most comfortable when I have to be away for a while. If I have to be away, I just want to make sure she's as comfortable as possible and things are as normal as they can be with me gone. So, to sum up, I think you should take her, but if you don't feel comfortable doing that, leave her in the house.
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(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 01:59 GMT Per Beth:
>Make >a regular rest stop for yourself a while later and find a spot outside where >the cat would naturally go to the restroom and hop back in the car. Wouldn't it become disoriented being out of it's territory? Couple years ago, I allowed myself to be cajoled into letting my granddaughter take her cat with us when we walked down to a local park. Beeeeg mistake. The cat was *really* upset - to anthropomorphize, terrified, even.
I wouldn't want ours to bolt at a rest stop. Maybe some kind of harness/leash setup?
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Beth - 02 Jan 2006 02:08 GMT > Per Beth: >>Make [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > harness/leash > setup? Yeah, I would recommend a harness type leash for a stop. My cat has been in the car at most for an hour and she was curious at first and roamed around but eventually she curled up on the seat and slept. She may be scared to be outside somewhere she didn't know and I only mentioned the rest stop because she may have to go to the bathroom, but I think it's worth a small amount of being scared to avoid 3 weeks of almost absolute solitude since your caretaker would only be there for a bit in the evenings to give food. Beth
carola - 02 Jan 2006 05:52 GMT : Per Beth: : >Make [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : I wouldn't want ours to bolt at a rest stop. Maybe some kind of harness/leash : setup? We took our cat camping, it went very well. She wandered through the forest all the time but was always near enough to see where we were. Don't let it out for the first week or so, only with a harness.
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catgirl - 02 Jan 2006 04:24 GMT >> We're talking about 8 hours in a car for the 'bring with' option. Hi... please consider this too: my 50 years w/cats and learning also from others... As much as we might be insulted at first to hear this, what is most important to our cats is the feeling of Security, not being with Us... Cats need to feel secure, and their home is where they feel this security... not in a cat carrier in a car... or in a strange place far from home... no matter how much they love us... Cats can feel the distance when they are taken from their homes... they don't know everything is ok, they just know they are being taken from their place of security... And there are exceptions, sure, but... most cats are terrified in these situations. Many tragedies have resulted from people believing their cats will "enjoy the trip" or "would rather be with me", etc etc... Please, if anyone has taken their cat about on vacations or "visiting" or just driving around and it worked out fine, please don't flame me for trying to protect those who may not have such a pretty outcome. In one blink of your eye, your seemingly outwardly calm cat, newly arrived miles from home... will slip like water from your grasp, out an open door, and be totally lost and likely die in the attempt to find "home". Especially terrifying for your cat will be to find herself lost in a chatic outdoor world if she is used to being inside at home. Its not worth it. Please leave him/her home where she feels secure. Have a trusted friend check on her and see to her litterbox and food/water etc. Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I don't understand about the "garage" part... but... if she is an indoor cat, she will be fine inside for the 8 weeks without you. She will be quite content and safe... Please... its just not worth it... the potential for terror and unpleasant death for your cat and heartbreak to you... It is kinder to your cat to leave him/her happily and securely at home... please... just my 2 cents... Enjoy your trip and come home to your happy little cat... Peace to you!
catgirl - 02 Jan 2006 04:39 GMT And Beth wrote (snipped): Make a regular rest stop for yourself a while later and find a spot outside where the cat would naturally go to the restroom and hop back in the car.
Hi Beth, No offense, your post was great, but the above part terrified me...!! BAD BAD idea to stop somewhere like that along a trip and let the cat out of the carrier... if you think this terrified little soul is going to go calmly find a place to poo and return to the carrier or hop back in the car... please... I would bet my bank account against it every time. A dog... MAYBE... but not a cat. More likely she will run like the devil for the first halfway secure-feeling spot and not move for a long long time... and any approach by the "owner" will result in further fleeing... calling and calling her will not work at all... because she is terrifed of the surroundings and the distance she feels from home. And if you are thinking about using a leash or harness, they can escape from these easily when scared. Again... please just avoid potential tragedy... for her sake, and yours... leave her home... sorry for the second post, but... best intentions here... Peace to all...
Beth - 02 Jan 2006 05:12 GMT > And Beth wrote (snipped): > Make a regular rest stop for yourself a while later and find a spot [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > sake, and yours... leave her home... sorry for the second post, but... > best intentions here... Peace to all... No offense taken, but I wouldn't leave my cat at home alone with someone who is only stopping in once a day for a few minutes to check on food and the litter box, especially not like the original poster who was planning on not letting the cat stay in the house but instead leaving it in a garage with the door partially opened so it could get in and out of it easily. You don't have to make a pit stop for a bathroom break for that cat if you don't want to but I would rather have my cat with me if I felt the only other option was to leave it in pretty much total isolation in a garage/outside for a month. They have a house to go to when on vacation and if they can't keep their cat in a house then they should probably not bother with having one in the first place. I mean no offense to the OP as I'm sure the cat is loved and it's good that he is seeking advice. My cat clings to me when I go away for a few days and come back. Case in point, my family lives 3 hours away and both of my brothers and my father are extremely allergic and sneeze and get red eyes and have trouble breathing around cats and they also have a dog who does not take well to animals imposing on his territory, he's a Chihuahua, if that paints any picture. So, my kitty stayed at home for 5 days while I was home for Christmas and my apartment manager to stopped in and fed her and brought his grand daughter and played with her for a while every day I was gone. She has NOT left my side at all since I got back. She normally sleeps beside me in bed now that she's older, but now that I'm back she has spent the last FIVE DAYS sleeping all curled up on my chest with her head under my neck and her front paws hugging me around my neck like she did when she was a kitten. Even though someone she knows played with her every day she still missed me and as I type this she is on my lap even. I think if you have any sense about you you can keep a hold of your pet if you travel with it. Perhaps Pete could get one of those feliway things that give out calming pheromones for the new house or something. At any rate, taking it with you is a lot less stressful on the cat than being left outside of the home its used to for four whole weeks with barely any interaction. When I left my cat for three weeks when I went to Europe last summer I had a friend stay at the apartment for the whole 3 weeks and my cat was still all over me when I got back. She missed me and I think Pete's cat will miss its family too. So, in my book the only options are taking it with you or leaving it inside the house with a person to spend the night or come spend the evenings there. I'd rather have a cat scared of being in a car for a few hours than one that's lonely for 3 weeks any day, especially after seeing my kitty revert back to kitten habits after I've been gone a few days. Catgirl, I understand your concern and I'm not saying that everyone should jump in their cars with their cats all the time, but if you have a cat you should not leave it alone for a month. It will be happier inside its own home yes, but not when it's alone there for a month and the OP is not comfortable leaving it inside for that month anyway and is leaving it outside/garage for that entire time. Pete, take the cat with you and be careful of keeping it with you when outside the new home. If you have a car with a convenient place to put it, you could even get a litterbox or make a "makeshift" one that you could put in the car and use plastic sifting liners to clean it easily and the cat could go in the car and you could make your restroom stop after your cat goes and clean it out throw the sifting bag away so it doesn't smell up the car. Then the cat wouldn't have to get out of the car at all and you could harness it in the car before you get out for your break so it doesn't follow you. I think it will get comfortable in the new house after being there a few days, especially with its familiar toys and other favorite things, like food, and a feliway pheromone thing to calm it. Definitely, before you leave the cat will be fine there since you'll have been there a month. Or, if you feel you must leave it at home, let it stay inside. If it's never done any damage before, it won't now. The poor thing will be more confused as to why it's in a lonely dark garage with nothing to do than it would be trying to figure out a new place. And I know cat's are more solitary creatures than dogs, but they do get lonely too and I think that is just as stressful as going on a trip when the loneliness is lasting a month. Another, less appealing to me, option would be to see if your vet offers boarding. It may be expensive, but my vet has a huge condo where the cats can either be alone or with other cats and are let out to be with the nurses in the office during the day so they get plenty of cuddling. One the weekends someone comes in to play with the cats and check the litter and food. I've only left my cat for one night there when I moved apartments in my building but they offer a great level of care for boarded pets and my cat has been in for shots and flea medicines that she likes the nurses and lets them pet her. Again, it's not that great since it's not the cat's home and the owner isn't there, but I'd prefer that to a garage/outside situation. If you like and trust your vet, I'd check into whether or not they offer boarding and what exactly goes on with the boarded cats. Sorry that's so long, but my heart would really go out to your poor kitty practically alone in a garage for a month. I'm sure you're competent enough to be careful during the actual trip and remember...the cat will probably sleep most of it anyway if you take her. Just my two cents...again.
Beth
(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 15:21 GMT Per Beth:
> If it's never done any damage before, it won't now. Therein lies the problem....
To put it in perspective, I had a collar/tag made for it that gave it's name, our name, and address/phone number. After a very short time, we thought better of that and removed the collar. Because....
...this cat's history is that it was a feral (more correctly wild, if 'feral' means having been domestic before going out on it's own) kitten that somebody pulled out of an alleyway in Philadelphia.
The woman who adopted it had a boyfriend that abused the cat, so she turned the cat over to my #1 daughter who has a number of horses, four dogs, several house cats, a flock of chickens, and an undetermined number of barn cats.
The daughter's husband was able to domesticate it to some extent by wearing welding gloves and gently handling it until it stopped hissing/biting/clawing. It was getting along with the other animals except for one rather large cat that tried to make friends with it but was rebuffed. After the rebuff, that large cat started trying to kill 'our' cat. Major fights in the house, stalking it for days on end...
So, we wound up taking it off of #1 daughter's hands. We've got it to the point where it will approach us and initiate physical contact. It doesn't bite or claw us - but some of that may just our being knowledgeable as to what it will tolerate. If a stranger were foolish enough to try to touch this thing, we could wind up putting some lawyer's kid through college.
So no collar.
As far as leaving it in the house goes, our furniture has taken a beating already. We scold when appropriate and it clearly understands "No". However "No" to a cat seems more like "Oh, I'm not supposed to do this while those big things are making that noise..." - as opposed to a dog, which seems to have at least some rudimentary conscience.
Deploying scented fabric softener sheets on strategic spots has helped a lot, but if we left it in the house we'd spend the whole vacation obsessing over what we would find when we got home.
So no inside-the-house-alone.
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(PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 14:52 GMT Per catgirl:
>Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I >don't understand about the "garage" part... but... if she is an indoor cat, >she will be fine inside for the 8 weeks without you. This is an indoor/outdoor animal. The garage part was that we would (as we do most of the time anyhow) leave the garage door open enough for the cat to get in and out. We would also move the food/water from inside the house to the garage.
The concern being that the cat would shred the furniture in out absence.
The problem I have with the garage solution is that without us in the house to let it in when it wants to get in, the cat would be exposed to hostile animals - which could get into the garage as easily as our cat can - and have no place to retreat to.
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Beth - 02 Jan 2006 16:06 GMT > Per catgirl: >>Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > place to > retreat to. Well, I understand your uncertainty then about leaving it alone in the house. Does your friend who is checking on it know how to handle it? I really think your best option is to take it with you, especially if there is a garage or fence at the other house so you can let it be outside the house too. I would just worry something would happen to it if it were left to its own devices outside/in the garage where another animal or something could get in. Or, leave it with your vet if your vet does boarding. In any situation, the cat is going to be in a new and unusual situation so you just need to decide which is best for its safety and well being. I know they get lonely and even a wild cat like yours will miss you, especially since it seems your the only ones it likes to come to on its own for some affection. I'd hate to have you come back in a month and write about how now it won't come near your family either without being aggressive. Beth
Catgirl - 02 Jan 2006 18:14 GMT Thanks Beth for reposting parts of his letter that I didn't see.
Oh no... I apologize if I inadvertantly implied that our cats do not miss us when we are gone... of course they do. Emotionally, cats are like adult humans. And they don't forget, altho sometimes they can be a bit standoffish sometimes when we return from a longer than usual absence. Its an individual thing. Also, in my whole life, not that they can't exist, I've never seen an "aggressive" cat... if you understand and empathize with the individual cat, you can see that she isn't aggressive at all, it is actually DEFensive. She is either scared or being protective.
If it was me, I still would take NO chances if I loved this cat. I would leave her home, inside. Furniture at risk of kitty claws can be wrapped securely in plastic sheeting... Leave articles of clothing about with your scent on them. This will help to comfort her. A bit of litterbox mess or other mess from her being strictly inside those 8 weeks, if you can get someone to come and clean it out while you are gone, should be nothing when her safety is primary, not human convenience. (most cats will instinctively use the litterbox, they don't need "training" first... perhaps just to show her where it is and scritch your hands around in the new fresh litter...) I definitely agree with Beth about not leaving her in the garage. Potential for disaster there!
I like Beth's alternate suggestion of Boarding, at a reputable place. It won't be fun for the cat to be hauled off to strange surroundings, but after a time she will settle once she realizes nothing bad is going to happen to her and she is being cared for. Her safety is Number One, and she would be safe there...
IF you choose to take her... and I do empathize with Beth's feelings on this, I do!... please, please take extra precautions to prevent her from escaping. 99% chance you won't get her back, and she will face a very unpleasant fate. Get the safest, most secure harness system you can for her... check with vet suggestions, store clerks might not know... and please know that her senses will be extra keenly pricked for chances to escape... Bad enough to escape in strange surroundings, but if she does so wearing the harness and leash meant to protect her, will surely also contriubute to an unpleasant fate. Cats can escape fences, too, that appear catproof.
Oh great... now *I* will worry about your little cat! ha ha... Beth will too I'm sure!
Thank you for caring enough about your cat to inquire here, and thank you too Beth for loving cats!
PS... am I "top posting"? Is that frowned upon? LOL Have to read up on newsgroup etiquette again, so I don't inadvertantly insult someone about how I post... if I did wrong this time, I apologize..!)
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>> Per catgirl: >>>Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > now it won't come near your family either without being aggressive. > Beth
>> Per catgirl: >>>Im sorry, my newsreader did not show me the full original post, so I [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > aggressive. > Beth (PeteCresswell) - 02 Jan 2006 23:19 GMT Per Catgirl:
>PS... am I "top posting"? Is that frowned upon? LOL Have to read up on >newsgroup etiquette again, People complain bitterly about top posting.
I don't do it for that reason.
But I prefer to read top-posted messages over messages with the text at the bottom of a very long quote.
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Cat Dude - 03 Jan 2006 00:21 GMT > Per Catgirl: >>PS... am I "top posting"? Is that frowned upon? LOL Have to read up on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But I prefer to read top-posted messages over messages with the text at the > bottom of a very long quote. So do I, but we seem to be in a minority.
Wayne Boatwright - 02 Jan 2006 02:26 GMT On Sun 01 Jan 2006 06:17:18p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it (PeteCresswell)?
> If we were lucky enough to be able to get four weeks down in Cape > Hatteras (i.e. pretty good-sized rental house) should we think about [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > we'd leave the garage door open enough for the cat to get in and out of > the garage - where the food/water would be. Have we been through this topic before, or was that someone else?
I would absolutely never leave my cat home alone without a cat sitter who could do more than just "looking in" on him in the evening. You can needs more human interaction than that, especially if you only have one.
Furthermore, I would absolutely never put my cat outside the house in a garage than any number of other animals could have access to. There are too many inherent dangers.
We moved two cats nearly 3000 miles by car and had not a single problem. We were driving two cars and we each took one cat in its carrier. If they were let out of the carrier during the day, they were harnessed and leashed before opening the car door to prevent them bolting in possible panic. We took in litter trays and food to each motel room at night. Both cats fared well.
Because we now have 5 cats, we will absolutely have to have a cat sitter the next time we take a vacation of any length. The cat sitter will need to come in each morning and spend at least an hour with the cats. They will also need to come in the evening and spend at least two hours with the cats. It's more than just making sure they have food, water, and a scooped litter tray.
If I only had one or two cats, I would defintely take them with me for any extended stay, no question about it.
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Beth - 03 Jan 2006 04:26 GMT So...Pete...whatcha gonna do? :) Beth
(PeteCresswell) - 03 Jan 2006 14:54 GMT Per Beth:
>So...Pete...whatcha gonna do? :) There's a third alternative: park it at my granddaughter's house.
The cat is familiar with her and her parents and they would do it, no problem.
The only zinger is that they go to work and the granddaughter goes to school - but they've had a cat in the past and that was not a problem then...
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Wayne Boatwright - 03 Jan 2006 19:41 GMT > Per Beth: >>So...Pete...whatcha gonna do? :) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > school - but they've had a cat in the past and that was not a problem > then... This sounds like the best alternative.
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Beth - 03 Jan 2006 22:37 GMT >> Per Beth: >>>So...Pete...whatcha gonna do? :) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > This sounds like the best alternative. Beth
LindaC - 04 Jan 2006 06:44 GMT Hi Pete, you know your cat the best. Does she travel well? How much indoor time does she expect? Etc. Does she shred furniture if she left alone? You might put a log in the garage. There is much good advice above
If you change her environment (granddaughter or the Cape) to a different house, she will need to be kept inside at least 2 or more weeks as she learns her new space and becomes secure with it. When you(or they) let her out go with her at first. If you leave her at home she should not have access to the outdoors unless someone actually is staying at the house. It is just too dangerous for reasons that you mentioned. Can she have access to the garage and some part of the house?
If you decide to travel with her, you could call your vet about whether to feed her or not, tranquilizers, etc. for the trip. Some cats settle down quickly others would ride around your neck yeowling all the way. You should probably keep her in the carrier the whole trip (consult vet). Once in the vacation house, she must remain indoors as I stated above.
Good luck, have a good time, and if she's with you, watch your doors.
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