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Do we give too much pet food to our pets?

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vasilijepetkovic@yahoo.com - 07 Dec 2005 22:32 GMT
Take a look at this photo? After seeing it, you have to ask yourself:
Do we feed our pets too much?
I think that the unhealthy lifestyle of humans is increasingly
affecting our pets and that they are becoming lazier and more obese
with every new day.

http://www.igman.com/misc/Do-we-give-too-much-pet-food-to-our-pets

With the US market for pet food exceeding billions of dollars the pet
food producers and distributors are becoming more and more powerful. In
turn, they pour more money into marketing and that in turn makes
customers buy more and more pet food.

In the end, pets consume the stuff the owners buy and they become more
obese and less happy animals.

So, we would like to make our pets happier by giving them more food,
but in fact we make them sadder because we damage their health.

Any thoughts?

Best,

Vasko

Subject:Do we give too much pet food to our pets?
NMR - 07 Dec 2005 22:45 GMT
Couple of problems here
one do you know what a Maine coon cat is  they get that big normally
second read the story about them
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bigcat2.asp#

> Take a look at this photo? After seeing it, you have to ask yourself:
> Do we feed our pets too much?
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>
> Subject:Do we give too much pet food to our pets?
Beth - 08 Dec 2005 02:04 GMT
I don't think that my cat being fat would ever make her like 4 feet long.
That cat wasn't just chubby, it was large in general.  My cat is about 30%
over weight, but again, she's still not growing longer.  I don't think that
pic is a good example of pet obesity.
Beth
> Couple of problems here
> one do you know what a Maine coon cat is  they get that big normally
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>>
>> Subject:Do we give too much pet food to our pets?
Ted Davis - 08 Dec 2005 02:05 GMT
>Any thoughts?

Photoshop?

The cat doesn't look particularly fat.

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T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)

rpl - 08 Dec 2005 11:03 GMT
> Take a look at this photo? After seeing it, you have to ask yourself:
> Do we feed our pets too much?

No I don't... I have to ask myself what kind of idiot believes an
obviously artificial photograph.

<snip>

> Any thoughts?

I bet you don't own an animal.
NMR - 08 Dec 2005 16:38 GMT
actually that is a true story according to snopes
NMR - 08 Dec 2005 16:56 GMT
the picture I am talking about
> actually that is a true story according to snopes
Brian Merchant - 09 Dec 2005 02:17 GMT
In the borning days of the third millennium, NMR wrote:
>the picture I am talking about
>> actually that is a true story according to snopes

The picture is undoctored.    Check the URL given for Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bigcat2.asp#photo

It's just a Maine Coon Cat all stretched out and fluffed up.
--
Brian Merchant

Puritanism didn't keep the puritans from sinning, it just kept them from enjoying it.
--Father Joe Breighner, Country Roads
carola - 09 Dec 2005 05:42 GMT
: The picture is undoctored.    Check the URL given for Snopes.
:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
: --
: Brian Merchant

That's quite some amount of cat! LOL

A beautiful one though, also the other one on the sofa with him.

carola
DW - 10 Dec 2005 02:29 GMT
> The picture is undoctored.    Check the URL given for Snopes.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bigcat2.asp#photo
>
> It's just a Maine Coon Cat all stretched out and fluffed up.
Yeah and the cat is being lifted too easily.   A cat that large is
going to
be heavy....I know....I've had too many large cats over the years.

The women in the photos are holding something light (a blanket?  a
small dog?  a baby?  and a large cat is photo shopped over it.

I also noticed this on their site:
did a quick math and concluded that that is much more than 90% of
global population spends on human food (per capita per month).
what better way to prove that than a fake large cat photo?
Brian Merchant - 10 Dec 2005 03:41 GMT
In the borning days of the third millennium, DW wrote:

>> The picture is undoctored.    Check the URL given for Snopes.
>>
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>going to
>be heavy....I know....I've had too many large cats over the years.

Probbaly only about 25 pounds or so.  I tried this same pose with
our cat, and he stretches quite a ways pretty easily.  And
he's just a normal sized tabby.  If he was the size of a Maine Coon
with that much hair, I could reproduce that pose easily.

>The women in the photos are holding something light (a blanket?  a
>small dog?  a baby?  and a large cat is photo shopped over it.

Did you read the Snopes article?  They actually found the woman and
saw the cat.  His name is Riley.

>I also noticed this on their site:
> did a quick math and concluded that that is much more than 90% of
>global population spends on human food (per capita per month).
>what better way to prove that than a fake large cat photo?

The original site just used the picture.  Snopes.com is very well
known and respected for confirming/debunking myths and rumors.
--
Brian Merchant

Puritanism didn't keep the puritans from sinning, it just kept them from enjoying it.
--Father Joe Breighner, Country Roads
DW - 10 Dec 2005 18:11 GMT
> Probbaly only about 25 pounds or so.  I tried this same pose with
> our cat, and he stretches quite a ways pretty easily.  And
> he's just a normal sized tabby.  If he was the size of a Maine Coon
> with that much hair, I could reproduce that pose easily.
My brother in law has a dog exactly that same size as that
cat.    It weighs 75 pounds.   His wife can't carry  the dog.
When she walks it, she doesn't walk it, it walks her.

You show me a woman who can lift a dog/cat that is that heavy
and i'll show you a woman who goes to the gym and lifts wieghts.

The women the pictures don't have the muscles needede to lift a
75 pound cat.

> Did you read the Snopes article?  They actually found the woman and
> saw the cat.  His name is Riley.
Yes I did.  A woman that size isn't going  to be able to easily carry a
75+
pount cat.  I have a relative who has a dog exactly that size.   Let me
put
it this way: she doesn't walk the dog, the dog walks her.

> The original site just used the picture.  Snopes.com is very well
> known and respected for confirming/debunking myths and rumors.
And what Snopes seems to have missed is the site is slamming us
in the US for spending money on our cats while people are starving
in the world.

I usually find Snopes a good source.   They got the wool
puled over their eyes on this one.
NMR - 10 Dec 2005 21:02 GMT
it is a 24 pound cat not a 75 lb cat

>> Probbaly only about 25 pounds or so.  I tried this same pose with
>> our cat, and he stretches quite a ways pretty easily.  And
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> I usually find Snopes a good source.   They got the wool
> puled over their eyes on this one.
NMR - 10 Dec 2005 21:26 GMT
sorry didn't finish the thread before

it is a 24 pound cat not a 75 lb cat there is a difference between a 24 lb
dog and a 75 lb  dog in  both physical aspects.  My daughter is about her
size and our cat dumpling a 15 lb solid black long hair  stretches almost
out like that when she holds him
you have never had a cat like that  before they are that big when they are
full grown and stretched out I always knick named them baby lions :-)

> it is a 24 pound cat not a 75 lb cat
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>> I usually find Snopes a good source.   They got the wool
>> puled over their eyes on this one.
DW - 10 Dec 2005 23:26 GMT
> sorry didn't finish the thread before
>
> it is a 24 pound cat not a 75 lb cat there is a difference between a 24 lb
> dog and a 75 lb  dog in  both physical aspects.
Where does it say 24 pounds?

 My daughter is about her
> size and our cat dumpling a 15 lb solid black long hair  stretches almost
> out like that when she holds him
> you have never had a cat like that  before they are that big when they are
> full grown and stretched out I always knick named them baby lions :-)
I had a cat that was 30 pounds a number of years ago.   The cat in this
picture is not a 25 pound cat, add 50 pounds to that.
ThePeriwinkle - 11 Dec 2005 00:55 GMT
Seriously, just type Maine coon+images into Google and you'll find
everything you need to know.
NMR - 11 Dec 2005 09:32 GMT
The feline pictured is 2-year-old Maine Coon named Riley, photographed in
the arms of his owner, Martha. According to Martha, Riley has lost a bit of
weight recently, but he weighed about 24 lbs. at the time the picture
displayed above was taken. Here are some additional photos of Riley with
Martha, and a picture of Riley with his sister, Callie:

>> sorry didn't finish the thread before
>>
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> I had a cat that was 30 pounds a number of years ago.   The cat in this
> picture is not a 25 pound cat, add 50 pounds to that.
Catmandu - 11 Dec 2005 17:57 GMT
> The feline pictured is 2-year-old Maine Coon named Riley, photographed in
> the arms of his owner, Martha. According to Martha, Riley has lost a bit of
> weight recently, but he weighed about 24 lbs. at the time the picture
> displayed above was taken. Here are some additional photos of Riley with
> Martha, and a picture of Riley with his sister, Callie:

We have a 7 year-old 24-pound female who eats a meager 1/2 cup of Hill's
Prescripiton® r/d dry food a day.  For the uninformed, r/d is a calorie
reduced cat food with high nutrient and high-fiber value.  According to the
labeling--and in line with other experience I've had with using r/d, she
should be a trim 12 or 13 pounder.  Go figger.

Her bed partner gets less than that and remains a trim guy at about 13
pounds.

--Catmandu
DW - 11 Dec 2005 20:32 GMT
> The feline pictured is 2-year-old Maine Coon named Riley, photographed in
> the arms of his owner, Martha. According to Martha, Riley has lost a bit of
> weight recently, but he weighed about 24 lbs. at the time the picture
> displayed above was taken. Here are some additional photos of Riley with
> Martha, and a picture of Riley with his sister, Callie:

Let me put it this way: the only place a cat that large is going to
weight
25 pounds in under the gravitational forces of the moon.

Here on planet earth that is 75+ pound cat.   I challenge anyone to
prove to
me it is a 25 pound cat.....and i'm not going to take the word of this
woman.   She probably claims her weight is half her actual weight.

There is no way on earth a cat with that much mass can weigh in at
25 pounds.

You may buy it if you want to, I on the other hand am not buying it.
I may  have been born at night, I wasn't born last night.
5cats - 11 Dec 2005 21:22 GMT
>> The feline pictured is 2-year-old Maine Coon named Riley,
>> photographed in the arms of his owner, Martha. According to Martha,
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> You may buy it if you want to, I on the other hand am not buying it.
> I may  have been born at night, I wasn't born last night.

What mass? It's all fur.

No way is it more than 30 pounds. My cat was fat at 25 pounds and he was
pretty long, he stretches out to about 3 feet long,  not so long as that
one though. That cat is skinny -- aside from all the fur.
NMR - 11 Dec 2005 22:50 GMT
DW you can believe the experts at snope they went to visit the family and
prove it so they saw it with their own eyes.  If you can't believe that then
there is no sense trying to get you to believe it.  Except go find a Maine
coon cat  then you can state your disbelief  :-(

>>> The feline pictured is 2-year-old Maine Coon named Riley,
>>> photographed in the arms of his owner, Martha. According to Martha,
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> pretty long, he stretches out to about 3 feet long,  not so long as that
> one though. That cat is skinny -- aside from all the fur.
carola - 12 Dec 2005 06:32 GMT
: > There is no way on earth a cat with that much mass can weigh in at
: > 25 pounds.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
: pretty long, he stretches out to about 3 feet long,  not so long as that
: one though. That cat is skinny -- aside from all the fur.

Although it's a pretty daft discussion I add my opinion as well:
The cat is slightly overweight, a rather large MC, but still within
normality.
around 25lb.

carola
DW - 12 Dec 2005 23:29 GMT
> What mass? It's all fur.
You're forgetting the bones.

There is lots of bone mass there.
Susumu - 13 Dec 2005 00:03 GMT
That's horrible!
DW - 13 Dec 2005 22:19 GMT
> That's horrible!
Did you really forget there are bones, muscle, internal organs, etc.
under neat all
that fur?  Maybe you needed to pay attantion during basic biology.
Lumpy - 09 Dec 2005 16:31 GMT
> actually that is a true story according to snopes

Yep. There are fake ones out there of big cats, (according to Snopes) but
this one in particular is not. How they judge that I have no idea.
DW - 08 Dec 2005 21:33 GMT
> Take a look at this photo?
After looking at this photo, one word comes to mind.....
Photoshop.

(Particularly on the photo on the left).
DW - 08 Dec 2005 21:41 GMT
> Take a look at this photo?
I was just looking at this site again.  Definitely photo shop.
Look at the thrid picture on the bottom of the page.

I'd bet she was holding a 75 pound dog and they photo shopped it
with a cat.
jdc1 - 09 Dec 2005 05:22 GMT
>>Take a look at this photo?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I'd bet she was holding a 75 pound dog and they photo shopped it
> with a cat.

It's a doctored photo, ppl.
ThePeriwinkle - 10 Dec 2005 00:53 GMT
I can't believe how thick you people are..
You've got a lovely poster who gives you all the information you need to see
that yes, it's a real cat called a Maine coon yet you still whine and say
it's not real. Well i can tell you I owned a maine coon and she was  bigger
than the cat in the photo. It is NOT a doctored photo ppl!
Maybe it's an idea to actually read the posts before going off on a tangent.
DW - 10 Dec 2005 02:20 GMT
> It is NOT a doctored photo ppl!
> Maybe it's an idea to actually read the posts before going off on a tangent.
Let me put it this way: i've had lots of cats over the years, i've read
all the
posts, i've read snopes, i've seen all the pictures.  I still maintain
someone
is having fun with photo shop,  first of all that woman can't possibly
lift a cat
thar large unless she was a body builder.  She don't have the muscles
of a
body builder.  

Sorry I don't buy that that is a real cat.
ThePeriwinkle - 10 Dec 2005 03:43 GMT
actually they aren't as heavy as you may think... Consider the fact that a
lot of them is fur...Mine weighed no more than a small toddler..and i have
no trouble picking them up.
rpl - 10 Dec 2005 05:04 GMT
> actually they aren't as heavy as you may think... Consider the fact that a
> lot of them is fur...Mine weighed no more than a small toddler..and i have
> no trouble picking them up.

umm.. MC's are heavy cats... 15-20 lbs compared with 7-12ish for a
standard moggie.  I think it's fake because the cat doesn't cast a
shadow (of course that might just be the cat <grin>)
5cats - 10 Dec 2005 15:12 GMT
>> actually they aren't as heavy as you may think... Consider the fact
>> that a lot of them is fur...Mine weighed no more than a small
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> standard moggie.  I think it's fake because the cat doesn't cast a
> shadow (of course that might just be the cat <grin>)

And even 25 pounds is probably not a terrible burden for a woman to hold
(if he doesn't squirm too much).  I have a cat who weighed 25 pounds at one
point and he stretches out to 3 foot from head to tail and he was FAT, not
long and lean like the cat in that photo.  
DW - 10 Dec 2005 02:41 GMT
> Take a look at this photo? After seeing it, you have to ask yourself:
> Do we feed our pets too much?
After looking at this site one thing becomes painfully obvious.   This
person
apparently lives in Croatia and hates the fact that people in the world
are
starving to death whil people in the US spend moeny on their pets.

Well maybe instead of complaining about the US: look at your leader
of xxxx cournty (with thousands/millions are starving while a king/
premier/president/etc. lives in a castle, and screwing his own people.

Saddam was a classic exampte.   Hiis people were starving,
did he feed them? No. He spent billions on buidling castles,
buidling WMDS, stashing money around the world (he is one of
the richest men in the world, has billions stashed around the world.)

Millions starved under  Saddam, he spent who know how many
millions/billions building huge castles.  (Some of these castles are
the size of Washington DC).

I'm not a fan of GWB., but I'm also not going to give up my cats.3.

http://www.igman.com/misc/Why-Do-Pets-Get-Pet-Health-Insurance/
DW - 10 Dec 2005 18:26 GMT
BTW, the site is registered to
Grossman & Assoc.
Savoy IL, they "sell"
Commodity Software, Feed Software, Accounting Software, Management
Software, Merchandising Software, Grain, Feed, Fertilizer, Peanut,
Rice, Seed, Ethanol, Software, Accounting, Management, Merchandising,
Mill
none of which is on their site.    Right now
it seems to only be used to slam pet owners
in the US.

Since Grossman seems to want to slam
pet owners then maybe as a pet owner I
should ask what pet stores/pet  brands/
etc. use this company who has people
who want to slam pet owners.
 
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