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Cat Forum / General Topics / September 2007Are they Playing or Fighting?
I have had my cat- Caddie- since july, and she is 1 yr and 6 months old. She lived in another house with other cats and dogs, then in my apartment where she was alone. Now we just moved into a town home with a kitten- gadget- and another cat - kyack- 4 yrs... both males, she's the only female now. The cats can be seen sitting next to eachother at times, but other times rolling around biting, and sometimes stalking a darting at eachother. Every once in a while theres also a yelp or cry sound, but not very often. Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget are getting them out soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime Kyack is the only one without > claws, Caddie and Gadget are getting them out soon. Are they > fighting, playing? help! -Jaime It sounds to me more like playing than real fighting. But, please, please, learn more about declawing before you consider having it done to the other cats. Declawing is a surgical amputation, not something to be done casually. There are other far less drastic solutions to scratching, such as keeping the claws trimmed, providing scratching posts for the cats to use, "softpaws". http://www.declawing.com/ ok first of all i didnt join the group to be degraded! i didnt get the other cats declawed, and i can be spoken to like a human being, i am not set in doing that, i am totally up for other options. so if you all would just grow up and keep the suggestions coming! i love my cat very much, and have been trying the other options....did anyone actually read my question? maybe some more answers to that too please, but again thanks for attacking a girl with her back turned. *humph* > i love my cat very much, and have > been trying the other options.... Declawing is not an "option", you dumb bitch. Dont you get it? Your really behind on the discussion bro. She understands that and so do we. We have been discussing it with her. Apparently you don't get it. >> i love my cat very much, and have been trying the other options.... > > Declawing is not an "option", you dumb bitch. > Dont you get it? can't people who cuss other members out, be removed from the newsgroup? > Your really behind on the discussion bro. She understands that and so do > we. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Declawing is not an "option", you dumb bitch. >> Dont you get it? Only on moderated groups. It's like the big bully on the playground trying to look tough to all the other children. Thing is he is really trying to convince himself that he is tough. It's the same with trolls. I find them amusing in their own little childish way. > can't people who cuss other members out, be removed from the newsgroup? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> Declawing is not an "option", you dumb bitch. >>> Dont you get it? > can't people who cuss other members out, be removed from the > newsgroup? Nope. That's the joy and the curse of usenet. It's unmoderated. But, you're always free to start using your newsreader's killfile. this is my first newsgroup ever so can you explain to me what a killfile and top poster? thanks! :) =jaime and no i didnt ask you 23rem are you using outlook express or a news reader on the internet If you are using outlook you can go to the message tab in the overhead task bar open it and click on block sender and it will block that poster from being seen by you. You can also create rules for the ness group to block certain phrases or words. In newsreaders each one is different or may not do the above Top posting is what I am doing right now. See how my reply is above your original message. Some people, posters and news groups consider it taboo and against etiquette ( that is not an attack against anyone don't jump my a@@ ) Matthew > this is my first newsgroup ever so can you explain to me what a killfile > and top poster? > thanks! :) > =jaime > > and no i didnt ask you 23rem : this is my first newsgroup ever so can you explain to me what a killfile and : top poster? : thanks! :) : =jaime : : and no i didnt ask you 23rem put "netiquette" through Google and you'll find all the answers. carola > can't people who cuss other members out, be removed from the newsgroup? God, but you are dumb. And a top poster to boot. > God, but you are dumb. And a top poster to boot. Ah, my point has been made. He is still trying to convince himself. LOL >> God, but you are dumb. And a top poster to boot. > > Ah, my point has been made. He is still trying to convince himself. LOL Yep, he really is just an idiot:) At least the rest of us can sleep soundly at night knowing that we at least have a few more brain cells than him. > can't people who cuss other members out, be removed from the newsgroup? No. Most newsgroups on Usenet are unmoderated. But you can achieve much the same result with the use of killfiles and filters in your newsreader program. Per Dan M: >Most newsgroups on Usenet are unmoderated. Can anybody explain the mechanism for moderating an NG? My (mis?) understanding of how the traffic is routed doesn't support such a function.  SignaturePeteCresswell > Per Dan M: >>Most newsgroups on Usenet are unmoderated. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My (mis?) understanding of how the traffic is routed doesn't support such a > function. I haven't read through it, but it's documented at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/moderated-ng-faq/ I really ought to read it carefully, since the concept of moderation doesn't fit well with my understanding of how Usenet works either. : Your really behind on the discussion bro. She understands that and so do we. : We have been discussing it with her. : : Apparently you don't get it. Question: Isn't Jaime a man's name? How do you know 223rem is a man? (Thought it was a female) Or are we sexless in ngs? carola > : Your really behind on the discussion bro. She understands that and so do > we. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > carola My bad. but in this day and age one can never tell. Please feel free to insert (sis) in place of (bro). >> : Your really behind on the discussion bro. She understands that and so >> do [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > My bad. but in this day and age one can never tell. Please feel free to > insert (sis) in place of (bro). BTW: I thought Jaime was a woman. Since she told me she was. My comment was directed towards 223rem. which could be either a man or woman. not sure if 223rim is a male or female. Since 223rim was being rude and trolling I should have erred on the side of trolls being sexless. Never can tell with a troll. LOL. Question? How do you know 223rim is a female since it doesn't seem to sound male or female? >>> : Your really behind on the discussion bro. She understands that and so >>> do [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Question? How do you know 223rim is a female since it doesn't seem to > sound male or female? *********************************************************************** ok lets try this the right way? (i hope) im not posting at the top, i just figured that at the top was eaiser to read and that everyone already red the post prior so im sorry if i offended anyone by top posting :) it was totally unintentional! ok so I am a girl! and as for the other "person" i have no idea male or female, and frankly i dont care. all i know is that in a place where everyday people come for tips and advice from other every day people, not doctors and or vets, they shouldnt be afraid to ask the "tough" questions as well as question the other members have heard 1000 times, there's always a new owner that is looking for help. Dont judge someone on their questions, we are all capable of changing our minds for the most part. I want to thank those who are mature enough to do so! You have all made it worth wile to stick around and learn a thing or two from the "pros!" thanks! -jaime ps: caddie, gadget, and kyack thank you too! Jaime > ok lets try this the right way? (i hope) im not posting at the top, i just > figured that at the top was eaiser to read and that everyone already red [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jaime It's all ok Jaime. Carola was just busting on me for calling you a woman, thinking that Jaime was a mans name. Could be either. They were unaware that I already knew that you was a woman, or should I say a lady. That would be a more proper term. Carola meant no offense to anyone I think. LOL at least it has all made for an interesting thread. As to 223rem I don't care who he/she/it really is. If they can't care on a normal conversation without being mean or rude They don't matter. Everyone on here for the most part are very friendly. We may pick and tease now and then. LOL Heck I can't even spell. On my last post I called 223rem, 223rim. haha > Heck I can't even spell. On my last post I called 223rem, 223rim. haha no, that would be 22rim. pat <<snip>> > ok lets try this the right way? (i hope) im not posting at the top, i just > figured that at the top was eaiser to read and that everyone already red the > post prior so im sorry if i offended anyone by top posting :) it was totally > unintentional! ...doesn't matter, the ones that do (properly IMHO) bottom-post don't bother to snip out irrelevant portions of the post they're replying to so it's just as stupid as top-posting. > all i know is that in a place where everyday people come for tips and advice > from other every day people, not doctors and or vets, they shouldnt be > afraid to ask the "tough" questions as well as question the other members > have heard 1000 times, there's always a new owner that is looking for help. > Dont judge someone on their questions, we are all capable of changing our > minds for the most part. good, 223rem wants you to change yours, so do I; declawing is illegal in most parts of the world and should be in yours and mine, too. You had a "tough question" ? pat > Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget are getting them out > soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime OK, I'll assume you are simply ignorant and not a psychopath. Declawing is very serious and cruel cat abuse. It is mutilation. It is equivalent to finger amputation. I wish you would get a taste of how that feels like. Obviously they're playing. You have no understanding of cats and no feel for them. Why do people like you need cats anyway? So you can torture them? Please give them away before you have them declawed. > Obviously they're playing. You have no understanding of cats > and no feel for them. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Please give them away before you have them declawed. Oh Shut up 223! You are certainly the most arrogant of the group here. Let's not get in to another juvenile "to declaw or not" debate. Let's just stick to the question the poster asked for once. We obviously all have our opinions on the declawing issue. To me, it does sound more like playing as well. Who hasn't had a cat that at one point in time or another accidentally got a little rough with it's human servant? The younger ones, especially, do this. They're just playing and any yelp noise is just a "hey, not so hard!" You'd know if they were really going at it. Beth > We obviously all have our > opinions on the declawing issue. Really. Do "we" all also have "our opinions" on, say, rape or child abuse or female genital mutilation? Declawing is cruel and harmful and should be illegal in the US as is in Europe. No ifs and buts and "various opinions" about it. >> We obviously all have our >> opinions on the declawing issue. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Declawing is cruel and harmful and should be illegal in the US > as is in Europe. No ifs and buts and "various opinions" about it. I'm not saying it's not an important issue...just that FOR ONCE can we not go into some declawing post when the poster wasn't asking about it?!?!?!??!?!?!??!??!?!? > I'm not saying it's not an important issue...just that FOR ONCE can we not > go into some declawing post when the poster wasn't asking about > it?!?!?!??!?!?!??!??!?!? So we shouldnt bother trying to save a cat from being declawed by opening the eyes of its "owner"? >> I'm not saying it's not an important issue...just that FOR ONCE can we >> not go into some declawing post when the poster wasn't asking about >> it?!?!?!??!?!?!??!??!?!? > > So we shouldnt bother trying to save a cat from being declawed by opening > the eyes of its "owner"? No we shouldn't! But sounding rude, mean or hateful is not going to get your point across. It will just start an argument that moves further away from the subject. Personally I am 44 and have owned cats as far back as I can remember. And just like with women I still have no understanding of them. LOL. But I am always learning. They teach me something new every day. Now I am just wondering, will I figure out women or cats first? MESSAGE to KG im so glad that everyone in this group isn't like that person b4. i want to thank you as well for being mature about the topic, i now know what not to say on a cat newsgroup!! lol! -jaime " Unfortunately you will encounter such things on all newsgroups unless they are moderated. Some people will cuss you out and call you names for top posting like I am doing now. :) My feelings are if they don't like the subject they can ignore the post. Kinda like you have the right to change the channel on the tv if you don't like what is on. But you will always have those who watch the show they don't like anyway just so they can complain about it later. LOL My father is one of those. Makes me laugh. Always feel free to ask questions or post your thoughts. That is what this group is all about. That and furr, fluffy, cute attack cats. Mine are trained to attack me whenever the mood so strikes them. LOL > MESSAGE to KG > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > say on a cat newsgroup!! lol! -jaime > " > So we shouldnt bother trying to save a cat from being declawed by opening > the eyes of its "owner"? Of course we should. But there's no reason to jump on the person as if they were a mass murderer. The OP seems to be new to being owned by a cat and is probably unaware of what declawing actually entails. You are right 223rem Declawing for non medical reason should be illegal. But most pet owners are ill informed about declawing. But that is not what the question in the original post asked. the poster 5 cats already pointed it out with the link about declawing I don't know if you saw it. And we can't jump the gun they have might gotten the other animals that are declawing after it happened. If they did get them declawed for non medical reason There are plenty of us including you that can show them the truth. "No one can force someone to listen only give the opportunity for the truth to be known" quoted by I can't remember Now to you Jamie it sounds like just play fighting the yelps or cry sounds is the other cat getting pissed or letting the other one know enough is enough or they had enough of that. If you witness the other cat pinning the other down and the crying and yelping does not stop then it is time to intervene. Watch animals funniest home videos about the cat fights if blood and all hell starts to break out -- you will know when they are really fighting the noises and body language they make can not be mistaken. >> We obviously all have our >> opinions on the declawing issue. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Declawing is cruel and harmful and should be illegal in the US > as is in Europe. No ifs and buts and "various opinions" about it. MESSAGE TO BETH thanks so much beth, i really apreciate your answer, honest and to the point! :) this is why i joined this group :) THANKS AGAIN! -jaime As someone who has been blasted before with completely unrelated responses, I understand. Don't worry about the pesky people. I've learned it's best to ignore them :) It sounds like you have a playful clan at home. Enjoy it! :) Beth > MESSAGE TO BETH > > thanks so much beth, i really apreciate your answer, honest and to the > point! :) > this is why i joined this group :) THANKS AGAIN! > -jaime :I have had my cat- Caddie- since july, and she is 1 yr and 6 months old. : She lived in another house with other cats and dogs, then in my apartment [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget are getting them out : soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime You are most fortunate! It's very unusual that cats put together just like that get on so well! They are playing! carola If they were fighting, you would know it. There would be fur flying, ungodly screaming, etc. > I have had my cat- Caddie- since july, and she is 1 yr and 6 months old. > She lived in another house with other cats and dogs, then in my apartment [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget are getting them out > soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime We have recently introduced a young kitten into our home. Both of the older cats will growl and swipe at her when she gets to close. But then so did our two older cats when we introduced them. As others have said if there is not blood or skin breaking bites I would not worry about it. They are just getting to know each other. > I have had my cat- Caddie- since july, and she is 1 yr and 6 months old. > She lived in another house with other cats and dogs, then in my apartment [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget are getting them out > soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime Options to declawing can include: Training Trimming the claws. (important to learn the proper way) Scratching posts Soft paws. These are a plastic type sheath that goes over the claw Then there is "Flexor tendonectomy" I don't know much about this procedure but it is an operation so I would suggest looking into it before trying. My understanding is that it is a laser type surgery that allows the cat to keep it's claws but they stay retracted. Personally I have my doubts about it. but if there was a serious medical need for such a procedure it does sound better than declawing. Someone else one here may have better insight into the above procedure. But all that said most cats that live and play together will never really hurt one another unless it is accidentally. Training, trimming, and scratching posts are the best method of controlling claws if they are clawing up furniture. I use none of the above due to the fact that my cats are highly trained attack cats. Now if I can just figure out how to keep them from napping 20 hours of the day. The other 4 hours of the day they spend eating, pooping and cleaning. >I have had my cat- Caddie- since july, and she is 1 yr and 6 months old. >She lived in another house with other cats and dogs, then in my apartment [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >very often. Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget are >getting them out soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime ah, i might need your highly trained attack cats next time i post a message on this newsgroup! ha ha! as for soft paws i bought them, but am worrysome to put them on cause caddie bites her claws. i had never seen a cat do this, but like ive said she's the first cat i have owned after leaving my parents. =) jaime > Options to declawing can include: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>very often. Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget are >>getting them out soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime > ah, i might need your highly trained attack cats next time i post a > message on this newsgroup! ha ha! [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>>not very often. Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget >>>are getting them out soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime Jamie all over the cat group you are going to find the issue of declawing are fighting words. AS for me I don't believe in it unless it is medical necessary. I learned my lesson 20 years ago when my current vet took me in to surgery to watch one in progress; I was ignorant at the time like most pet owners. The poor furball actually cried out while under sedation. That was the last time I ever got a cat declawed and the last time I used my original vet; he had told us that declawed cat live healthier lives- we trusted him so we did NEVER AGAIN. Below is the FAQ for sot paws if the furball chews on them all it does is pass through the digestive system they are non toxic http://www.softpaws.com/faqs.html#5 If you can clip their nails you can apply soft paws they last about 6 weeks Here is a hint since this is your first cat ( I believe I read that right ) get your cat used to be handled. I mean check out their claws, paws, ears get them used to be what is the word man handled is close enough to what I mean. http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/ here is some reading for you it has a lot of information and bookmark this site here http://www.maxshouse.com/Database_toc.htm this is Phil P. site and he is very informative with cats Matthew Any other questions ask away there are plenty of us out here to answer them > http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/ here is some reading for you it has a > lot of information > Matthew > Any other questions ask away there are plenty of us out here to answer them Thanks heaps for posting the link to this site. One of the best I've seen on the subject of cat husbandry :) I'm about to go and wrap my kitchen benches in foil! Poor little Gussy... Kate > I have had my cat- Caddie- since july, and she is 1 yr and 6 months old. > She lived in another house with other cats and dogs, then in my apartment [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget are getting them out > soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime Sure sounds like they're playing. Fighting is usually easy to tell, as it's accompanied by much screaming and yowling! As others have said, I have to urge strongly that you reconsider the declaw thing. Almost no vets will ever go out of their way to explain it to cat owners, but it's really a horribly barbaric procedure that can do significant and lasting harm to the cat. Most people assume it's akin to surgically removing a fingernail on a human. But if you look into it in some detail, you'll see that it's a lot closer to amputating a finger at the first knuckle. There are good reasons why countries like Australia ban the procedure. Congratulations that they're playing together! There are few things more enjoyable than a house full of cats. Are they fighting, playing? help! - They are playing. I've fallen for those occasional yelps and waded in to rescue the "poor" kitten who is being beaten up, said kitten has rewarded me by attacking the cat I've just pulled up! Redunzel and Sarrasine do this several times a day. They usually start by licking each other, then they wrestle and then they gallop about the house chasing each other and wrestling when one catches the other. It's a very serious business for them with some elaborately planned ambushing going on. And it ends with the winner giving the loser a good wash and then they settle down together for a long nap Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Omg don't declaw your cat!! did you know when you do it like cutting off your finger of in half!! and also if the cat ever got outside it wouldn't be able to protect it self=( >I have had my cat- Caddie- since july, and she is 1 yr and 6 months old. >She lived in another house with other cats and dogs, then in my apartment [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Kyack is the only one without claws, Caddie and Gadget are getting them out >soon. Are they fighting, playing? help! -Jaime
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