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Cat Forum / General Topics / October 2005Mini cats
Does anyone have any knowledge about mini cats? I have a few abandoned cats that have taken refuge in by backyard -- yes, I feed them (cheap dry food). A rather small female had a litter about 5- 6 mo. ago and 2 of them seem to be mini. Both are female, one is a gray tabby, the other is a light gray tabby with a white chest, mouth area, and feet. Both are cute as a button, sweet natured, and look normal in every way (not dwarves) but stand only 6-7" or so at the shoulder. Any input? Chuck > Does anyone have any knowledge about > mini cats? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > every way (not dwarves) but stand only 6-7" > or so at the shoulder. I don't think there's such a thing as a "mini" breed (or line) of domestic cats. Some torties seem to be small but they're usually shorthairs anyways so it can be hard to tell. 6-7" at the shoulder doesn't sound small for 6 mo. old... are the others males ? 5-6 mo. is when their hormones kick in and they can bulk up considerably. > > Does anyone have any knowledge about > > mini cats? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > males ? 5-6 mo. is when their hormones kick in and they can bulk up > considerably. The other cats in the litter seem more normal in size (about 1 - 1½ in. taller). One is a black female, the other a black male. I have a 2 yr old male tabby (neutered, from the mom of the small female I referred to) that stands 9½" at the shoulder and is noticeably smaller than any of the other cats I have (the largest stands 12½" at the shoulder). The reason I ask, there is another mini male (1 yr old and un-neutered) that stands 9¼". He is pure gray, and his mom is the original mom (a small-ish gray Persian-looking female). I was wondering if it's possible to get a breed of mini cats from these, or should I just find homes for them and forget it? Chuck > The reason I ask, there is another mini male > (1 yr old and un-neutered) that stands 9¼". He [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cats from these, or should I just find homes for > them and forget it? I would strongly urge you to have this cats fixed and then place them in good homes. There is a so-called breed of cat, the name escapes me now, that have been bred because of their short legs. To me, it seems cruel to make a deformity or abnormality a "breed". The cats you have just sound small. Lauren It almost sounds like the cat has the problem stunted growth a form of dwarfism caused by malnutrion if they are strays very good possibility. And the idea of breeding the animals chuck is not very appealing. Take the cats to a low cost spay and neuter center get their shots and everything and find them a good and loving home. If you have trouble finding a center post the general area that your are in. I can find one in the US usually with no problem. And the breed of mini cats are called tea cup cats and from what I understand they do not have a normal life span and are extremely fragile to it surroundings environment > It almost sounds like the cat has the problem stunted growth a form of > dwarfism caused by malnutrion if they are strays very good possibility. And [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > understand they do not have a normal life span and are extremely fragile to > it surroundings environment From what I've read already, dwarfism is distinctive of short legs, with a normal body size. This is not the case. Malnutrition is not, in any way, a possibility. I have read some stuff that would indicate healthy, normal minicats seem to come from small, Persian females-- as was pretty much the case here. In this case, the genetic pool seems to be quite diversified (the problem with tea-cup cats is apparently their limited gene pool). They're just soooo cute! I thought they may be breedable (not in a cage, though)! Chuck Chuck wrote: > The reason I ask, there is another mini male > (1 yr old and un-neutered) that stands 9¼". He [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cats from these, or should I just find homes for > them and forget it? I would strongly urge you to have this cats fixed and then place them in good homes. There is a so-called breed of cat, the name escapes me now, that have been bred because of their short legs. To me, it seems cruel to make a deformity or abnormality a "breed". The cats you have just sound small. Lauren --- Yes, quite small, normal looking, and really cute! I agree that breeding deformities is not a good thing. Chuck There is a so-called breed of cat, the name escapes me > now, that have been bred because of their short legs. I think they're called "Munchkins" and they have a normal body but shortened limbs ie they are like the form of Dwarfism in Humans called Androplasic dwarfism Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > There is a so-called breed of cat, the name escapes me > > now, that have been bred because of their short legs. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Thanks, Lesley, that's the one I was thinking of. Lauren If these cats your feeding have not been to a vet and wormed then malnutrition is a possibility. They can be suffering malnutrition just enough to not get the nutrition they need to grow. that's why most wild born cats are small. Take wild kittens away from their mother vet them, worm them and they will get bigger than mom and dad. The next generation will be even more normal domestic size. I have had to capture, tame, raise and remove wild cats. They are usually smaller than your average house cat but don't look like they are suffering from malnutrition until you see their gums, compare weight and size, and look closely at their coats. Worms, internal parasites, fleas, earmites the list goes on and on, how could they possibly not have some kind of malnutrition going on? I would suggest getting the females spayed very soon before they have more kittens. They are the age for that and if they do get pregnant then they really will not grow more. Children having children syndrome. Gina > Does anyone have any knowledge about > mini cats? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Chuck > If these cats your feeding have not been to a vet and wormed then > malnutrition is a possibility. They can be suffering malnutrition just [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Gina Uh huh... and I was born yesterday, and haven't had any experience with cats, both feral and domestic for the last 50 or so years... that I cannot recognize symptoms or anything else ITR-- only the big superior Ego's here have all the right answers-- as was the case in the "oh no, the sky is falling" replies when I asked if anyone had any experience with bone growths (IRT my cat Maxi). Than one cost me $125 for nothing-- as it turned out, my deductions were correct in the first place. Apparently my common-sense gut feelings seems more applicable than the pejorative "oh no... bad bad" judgments that seem to be so prevalent here. In any event, I came here foolishly thinking I could engage in a discussion IRT minicats-- a potentially interesting subject-- not to get chided for imagined misdeeds, or get unsolicited diagnosis on cat's never seen by self appointed know-it-alls. Silly me! ~C Enjoy your flames... Well if you gut feeling was so right WHY did you do it well simple answer you did not for sure if you were right. You did not waste $125 you spent $125 to have peace of mind about a loved one. Money well spent and worth the pain. Silly us you described several problems got feed back about all of them. Silly us for giving a care no matter what I still care and willing to help Than you ask about another problem and get feed back and get prissy about it. This is the usernet you will get opinions from all sorts. A cat can be eating, look healthy and have a severe problem of malnutrition. Unless you are a trained and certified vet not matter how much experience you have YOU can not make a diagnoses. A cat may look healthy but how are the cats gums, is the cat having correct stool movements, is the cats belly tender, is the cat running a fever, is the cats' coat rough, does the cat have a intense thirst, is the cat vomiting, is the cat wheezing or unexplained choking, is the cat having fainting spells. You can not answer those questions the cats according to you live in your back yard and a an outside cat can have heartworms real easy it is spread by mosquitoes. Real easy to prevent it simple once a month medication And I have over 40 years with cats plus 20 years as a volunteer in shelters and I know that if it ain't obvious have a pro check it out. I believe I offered to find you a low cost vet if you let me know what general area you lived in I can find out where no cost or low cost vet service is or isn't. I can post home remedies for alot of aliments for cats. I don't need to know what address just general area such as the county and state Dwarfism covers several aspect other than just stubby legs. the cat might be smaller due to being a stray its mother might have been inbreeding for a long time, the cat could have some nutrition problem. As for the other post that benign cyst could have been cancer, a tumor a pocket of infection there is so much stuff out there unless you are a trained vet all you can do is guess. You got people opinions and experiences out here you made the decision to do it but you lacked to tell us if you called the vet and asked what it could be or not. And I will bet if you did the vet said come in it could be a problem. Just my 50 cents No More Retail <nowaytospam@noway.com> wrote in message news:MBx5f.161774$xl6.106359@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > Well if you gut feeling was so right WHY did you do it well simple > answer you did not for sure if you were right. You did not waste $125 you [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > And I have over 40 years with cats plus 20 years as a volunteer in shelters > and I know that if it ain't obvious have a pro check it out. "cats gums, is the cat having correct stool movements, is the cats belly tender, is the cat running a fever, is the cats' coat rough, does the cat have a intense thirst, is the cat vomiting, is the cat wheezing or unexplained choking, is the cat having fainting spells" Those are all observables-- your 40 years should have taught you that. Perhaps you mistakenly believe I treat the "outsiders" like hobos, or the like. Not so-- I pay as much attention, and give them as much love and care (including neutering and shots if I can catch them) as I do the "insiders" ... and yes, I do find homes for them if I can-- having them killed is never an option. I held-off neutering the little ones, as I was (still am) curious about breeding-- no help here, though! The problem is, I have money concerns now, that were not there before my wife's breast cancer, which has been a financial drain-- especially since I'm retired and she was still working-- but due to lymphoma as a result of surgery (lymph node removal) she can no longer do so... and health insurance is a joke! > I believe I offered to find you a low cost vet if you let me know what > general area you lived in I can find out where no cost or low cost vet [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > there is so much stuff out there unless you are a trained vet all you can do > is guess. The nice thing about the net, is one can research just about anything. It did not take long to learn about such things as Fibrosarcoma, Extraskelital osteosarcoma, Squamous cell carcinoma, Feline parosteal and osteophytes, et al, plus see the x-rays and PET scans, then read all about their differing symptoms, characteristics, and physiologies. From that, I had a good Idea it was likely benign. From the posts, I thought I had missed something. My vet had confirmed I had not. The point of my post being: I did not ask for advice, just other folks experiences in that regard-- that which I did not get. In any event, I did not see a post where you offered to find a low cost vet -- just a lot of scary stuff like "something beyond belief wrong..." Perhaps you're just being a little pissy as a result of my pointing out the deficiencies in your HTML post... ~C Flames? Why, they accomplish nothing. I know what going without arthritis medicine is like, I've had a torn rotator cuff that wasn't diagnosed for months and arthritis medicine? They gave me Ibuprofen and said suck it up. But let that go. I was wondering where you were because every so often a deep grey male, not very tall comes by. I think he may be the same one you mean if you're in Ohio.  Signature"Other than telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and now, die, I think the Republicans have done a fine job of getting government out of our personal lives." >> If these cats your feeding have not been to a vet and wormed then >> malnutrition is a possibility. They can be suffering malnutrition just [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > ~C > Enjoy your flames... > Flames? Why, they accomplish nothing. I know what going without arthritis > medicine is like, I've had a torn rotator cuff that wasn't diagnosed for > months and arthritis medicine? They gave me Ibuprofen and said suck it up. > But let that go. I was wondering where you were because every so often a > deep grey male, not very tall comes by. I think he may be the same one you > mean if you're in Ohio. Hi alt4, Actually I'm out west... Y'know I had a case of Ibuprofen poisoning (I've had chronic spinal arthritus for about 15 years, but didn't retire until a few years ago) before the cox inhibitors came along. Now they tell me I'll get a heart attack from those... It seems one can't win for losing, eh? ~C > -- > "Other than telling us how to live, think, [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > ~C > > Enjoy your flames... f.ck YOU DEMOCREEPS John Kerry = Loser > f.ck YOU DEMOCREEPS > > John Kerry = Loser Oh yes, lets see. $50 billion in cuts to safety net programs. $70 billion in tax cuts for the people who need it least. Sure, Republicans are good for us. Of course if they hadn't been hijacked by the nutcases of the religious right I might be a little less sarcastic. >> f.ck YOU DEMOCREEPS >> >> John Kerry = Loser I am not flaming you, just stating the facts. Nothing I posted was to be insulting to your experiences and or beliefs. As for growths on any animal, cat or human if you want to know if it's good or bad it should be checked out just in case. That's not an opinion that's a scientific truth. As for ego I don't have one of those I can not afford one. Gina >> If these cats your feeding have not been to a vet and wormed then >> malnutrition is a possibility. They can be suffering malnutrition just [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > ~C > Enjoy your flames... Gina dear, I was not asserting that you flamed me. I was simply expecting flames to occur, since that seems to be the normal response to an honest opinion on Usenet. Again, my point was: I was looking for other's experiences IRT bone lumps, not opinions or unsolicited diagnosis-- especially, given that I had researched bone lumps prior to posting. Since I failed to make that clear, the fault is partly mine, and I accept whatever degree of responsibility is due. IRT mini-cats, my expectations were the same, and I also did some research there as well, though the conclusions were more varied. I did take some offense to the inference that I did not take care of animals responsibly-- feral or otherwise-- or I was unable to recognize ill or undernourished cats. Perhaps I was a bit hasty in my conclusions. To that, I apologize as I know your intentions were good. Have a nice one... ~C BTW, little Hoagie was brought inside when he was 3 mo. old. He was small, but we gave it no thought. The vet said he was healthy and well nourished (just weaned). In fact now, he may be a bit 'plump', but he looks like a kitten next to big Butchie... (whom he adores)... :) > I am not flaming you, just stating the facts. Nothing I posted was to be > insulting to your experiences and or beliefs. As for growths on any animal, [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > ~C > > Enjoy your flames... I am sorry that I misunderstood your post. LOL It just started off with... <snip> Uh huh... and I was born yesterday, <snip> <snip> not to get chided for imagined misdeeds, or get unsolicited diagnosis on cat's never seen by self appointed know-it-alls. Silly me! ~C Enjoy your flames... <snip> and ended in that. I'm sorry if you feel others said or did things that irritated you. I for one did not intend to irritate you. I kind of thought it was funny the beginning of that message. I smiled and hurried to read the rest. Then I realized you were feeling kinda cornered. That I did not think was funny. Thank you and hope you continue your feral work, Gina > Gina dear, > [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] >> > ~C >> > Enjoy your flames... >I am sorry that I misunderstood your post. LOL It just started off with... > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Thank you and hope you continue your feral work, > Gina Well, Gina, you are a class act. Stick around. Hi Gina... Thank you. Yes, I tend to be a bit "overly" blunt at times... But, hey, at least I'm honest... and do have a good heart, despite the rough exterior. Apparently, I have a big neon sign on my forehead (viewable only by l'il critters) that says "sucker for a hard luck story..." :) I think it all started when I was a kid: after WWII we had 40 acres of oranges in the Santa Rosa Valley in So. California. One day, while irrigating, my dad handed me a shovel and told me to kill the gophers as the water forced them out of their flooded burrows. One did come out, all wet and bedraggled, and I raised my shovel. But about then, I looked into the little critters eyes and it seemed to be saying to me, "please don't kill me". I put down the shovel and let it scurry away. I'll never forget that! Ciao ~C > I am sorry that I misunderstood your post. LOL It just started off with... > [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] > >> > ~C > >> > Enjoy your flames... This is just a quick theory on your mini cats. See how the women in the southern states are taller, thicker, more robust? It is because of the humidity. A simple scientific fact. Especially around Baton Rouge. (The Natives that is) Sooo...Im thinking...these cats have been dwarfed by constant dehydration...and seeing the nuts don't fall too far from the tree...woo haha (don't say it)...but uh... sure..just soak them in water, they will grow to the right size a couple of days or so... :) > Does anyone have any knowledge about > mini cats? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Chuck > This is just a quick theory on your mini cats. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > sure..just soak them in water, they will grow to the right size a > couple of days or so... but don't do it after midnight. > :) > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Chuck |
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