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RedHedd - 16 Feb 2004 01:08 GMT
This sicko has posted this item for bid on eBay.  Many of us on the PetTalk
message boards have reported this idiot but the "item" is still open for
bidding!  Please help report this idiot.

Yes this is real. The owner of this lovely calico has no clue. I am so angry
and upset at this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=3175140080

Please do not view this if you are prone to feeling ill at animal cruelty

If you want to help "push" eBay along on handling this as they should here
is their phone number.
Ebay:
1-800-322-9266

Their phone hours are M-F 7:30 am-5:30 pm PST so don't bother calling them
until tomorrow. I plan to try calling and complaining about this. I don't
know if they will be very helpful at this number but it is worth logging the
complaint this way too.

They need to stay on top of things like this better.
Hope Munro Smith - 16 Feb 2004 01:30 GMT
> This sicko has posted this item for bid on eBay.  Many of us on the PetTalk
> message boards have reported this idiot but the "item" is still open for
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> They need to stay on top of things like this better.

eBay does not allow the sale of pets:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/wildlife.html
NickKnight - 16 Feb 2004 02:08 GMT
>eBay does not allow the sale of pets:
>
>http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/wildlife.html
You know what? That certainly looks like it is in violation of their
rules.  
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Hope Munro Smith - 16 Feb 2004 16:44 GMT
> >eBay does not allow the sale of pets:
> >
> >http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/wildlife.html
> You know what? That certainly looks like it is in violation of their
> rules.  

Yep.  Though after looking it over I think the seller intended it as a
joke, maybe to entertain his friends.  The seller seems to have a shill
bidder who keeps outbidding anyone else.
NickKnight - 17 Feb 2004 02:34 GMT
>Yep.  Though after looking it over I think the seller intended it as a
>joke, maybe to entertain his friends.  The seller seems to have a shill
>bidder who keeps outbidding anyone else.
You know what?  I'm tempted to bid on it to get this cat into a good
home and away from this maroon.

--------------------------------------------
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NickKnight - 16 Feb 2004 01:55 GMT
>This sicko has posted this item for bid on eBay.  Many of us on the PetTalk
>message boards have reported this idiot but the "item" is still open for
>bidding!  Please help report this idiot.
A couple of comments:
1.  Don't bother calling tommorrow.   Monday is a holiday in the US
(Presidents day).   Wait until Tuesday.  
2.  Probably not illegal.   In bad taste? Yes.  Should this
person even own a cat?  No.    I would suggest letting the auction
go through since the final result is positive. this won't person won'
t be the one to own this cat.
3  The link doesn't work.  Had to search for it.  
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Sherry - 16 Feb 2004 05:21 GMT
>1.  Don't bother calling tommorrow.   Monday is a holiday in the US
>(Presidents day).   Wait until Tuesday.

I doubt e-bay recognizes President's Day as a holiday. Hardly any businesses
are closed; it's mostly just courthouses, post offices, banks and such.  I'm
calling tomorrow.
Sherry
NickKnight - 20 Feb 2004 23:40 GMT
>>1.  Don't bother calling tommorrow.   Monday is a holiday in the US
>>(Presidents day).   Wait until Tuesday.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>calling tomorrow.
>Sherry

I'm not sure why this only showed up today (2/20) but the company I
work for was closed on Presidents day (not goverment courthouse bank
post office), many of our customers and vendors were closed.  
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                        Timberlake

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NickKnight - 16 Feb 2004 02:05 GMT
This link is apperently faulty;
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=3175140080

Use this one instead.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3175140080

?ViewItem& apparently is mising from the first link.

--------------------------------------------
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                        Timberlake

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MaryL - 16 Feb 2004 02:40 GMT
> This link is apperently faulty;
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=3175140080
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> ?ViewItem& apparently is mising from the first link.

Aw, that's truly disgusting.  We should all send complaints to eBay.  I just
hope someone doesn't see this as some poor animal to use for a personal form
of abuse.  The ad is almost an invitation to such a person.

MaryL
Sherry - 16 Feb 2004 05:19 GMT
>Aw, that's truly disgusting.  We should all send complaints to eBay.  I just
>hope someone doesn't see this as some poor animal to use for a personal form
>of abuse.  The ad is almost an invitation to such a person.
>
>MaryL

This has got to be a joke, though. Shipping $4.50? I agree e-bay needs to be
called though.
Sherry
MaryL - 16 Feb 2004 08:41 GMT
> >Aw, that's truly disgusting.  We should all send complaints to eBay.  I just
> >hope someone doesn't see this as some poor animal to use for a personal form
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> called though.
> Sherry

Yes, you're right ... I missed "shipping."

MaryL
QBall - 16 Feb 2004 19:21 GMT
The "shipping" issue is very serious and would undoubtedly result in serious
distress or injury to the cat.
As such, the vendor should be located and prosecuted for intent to commit an
act of cruelty to an animal - the evidence means it would stand up in court.
If we ensure that we make the winning bid for the poor creature and at close
of auction, get the guys address and arrange to collect in person - the
local enforcement authorities can then be notified and charges brought.
If we don't make a winning bid, the prospects for the cat could be very
unpleasant.
I would do so myself, but I'm in the UK.

> >Aw, that's truly disgusting.  We should all send complaints to eBay.  I just
> >hope someone doesn't see this as some poor animal to use for a personal form
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> called though.
> Sherry
Sherry - 17 Feb 2004 05:21 GMT
>The "shipping" issue is very serious and would undoubtedly result in serious
>distress or injury to the cat.
>As such, the vendor should be located and prosecuted for intent to commit an
>act of cruelty to an animal - the evidence means it would stand up in court.

I truly wish I could agree with you. But having worked abuse cases, this case
wouldn't make it to court. Very sad, but very true. The best anybody could hope
for is that animal control is notified in that town, they pay a visit and the
loser relinquishes the animal. With a little publicity people always stand in
line to adopt high-profile cases like that.
Unless the DA and judges in that particular town are *extremely* sympathetic
toward animal issues. It would be a rare thing though. Animal abuse
laws/enforcement of laws have a long way to go.

Sherry
>If we ensure that we make the winning bid for the poor creature and at close
>of auction, get the guys address and arrange to collect in person - the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>> called though.
>> Sherry
Hope Munro Smith - 17 Feb 2004 15:54 GMT
> >The "shipping" issue is very serious and would undoubtedly result in serious
> >distress or injury to the cat.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> toward animal issues. It would be a rare thing though. Animal abuse
> laws/enforcement of laws have a long way to go.

eBay took down the auction.
nimue - 17 Feb 2004 17:51 GMT
>>> The "shipping" issue is very serious and would undoubtedly result
>>> in serious distress or injury to the cat.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> eBay took down the auction.

How many of us contacted ebay to complain?  Hands, anyone?  I posted the way
to do it via email, btw.

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NickKnight - 17 Feb 2004 18:30 GMT
>How many of us contacted ebay to complain?  Hands, anyone?  I posted the way
>to do it via email, btw.
I did not contact ebay, I was hoping the auction would go through and
this poor cat would find it's way to home where it would be
loved and appreciated.  

I cringe at the thought of what will happen to this cat.  

Even though it was an illegal auction it would have
accomplished a good thing, get this cat out of the
hands of this moron.  
--------------------------------------------
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                        Timberlake

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Hope Munro Smith - 17 Feb 2004 18:59 GMT
>>How many of us contacted ebay to complain?  Hands, anyone?  I posted
>>the way to do it via email, btw.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> accomplished a good thing, get this cat out of the
> hands of this moron.  

You can't guarantee it would have gone to a better owner, unfortunately.
NickKnight - 17 Feb 2004 20:10 GMT
>You can't guarantee it would have gone to a better owner, unfortunately.
Yes would have gone to a better owner if the auction went through and
I won.  

But then it could be argued anything is better than this slimeball who
owns the cat now.  
--------------------------------------------
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                        Timberlake

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QBall - 17 Feb 2004 21:12 GMT
> >>How many of us contacted ebay to complain?  Hands, anyone?  I posted
> >>the way to do it via email, btw.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> You can't guarantee it would have gone to a better owner, unfortunately.

But if the US-equivalent of the UK's Royal Society for the Prevention of
Cruelty to Animals had been sent round to rescue the creature, it's sure it
would have found a better home.
Hope Munro Smith - 17 Feb 2004 21:20 GMT
>> >>How many of us contacted ebay to complain?  Hands, anyone?  I
>> >>posted the way to do it via email, btw.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> of Cruelty to Animals had been sent round to rescue the creature, it's
> sure it would have found a better home.

That would be the American SPCA.  Perhaps eBay alerted them.  Does
anyone remember the user ID of the person who started this auction?
Hope Munro Smith - 17 Feb 2004 18:58 GMT
>>>> The "shipping" issue is very serious and would undoubtedly result
>>>> in serious distress or injury to the cat.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> How many of us contacted ebay to complain?  Hands, anyone?  I posted
> the way to do it via email, btw.

I sent an alert to ebay.
'cedes - 18 Feb 2004 08:37 GMT
I did not get a chance to see this auction. Was some idiot trying to auction
off his cat? What was the deal? I hope that the cat gets into a safe and
good home!

> >>>> The "shipping" issue is very serious and would undoubtedly result
> >>>> in serious distress or injury to the cat.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> I sent an alert to ebay.
NickKnight - 18 Feb 2004 14:31 GMT
>I did not get a chance to see this auction. Was some idiot trying to auction
>off his cat? What was the deal? I hope that the cat gets into a safe and
>good home!
Apparently some clown was trying to auction off his cat, sounds like
maybe it had urinary tract problem.  (Urinary tract inrection?)

My inclination was to have the auction go through, I was going to
try and bid on it to get the cat out of the hell it is in now.  

Apparently ebay shut the auction down.  

Yes, auctioning pets off on ebay is illegal, but in this
it gets the cat out of the hands of some clown who
apparently hates this cat.  
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                        Timberlake

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QBall - 16 Feb 2004 12:10 GMT
Looks like they may already be on top of it - the link's dead.
What was it anyway ?

> This sicko has posted this item for bid on eBay.  Many of us on the PetTalk
> message boards have reported this idiot but the "item" is still open for
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> They need to stay on top of things like this better.
MaryL - 16 Feb 2004 14:41 GMT
> Looks like they may already be on top of it - the link's dead.
> What was it anyway ?

It's still there.  Here's the correct link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3175140080

MaryL
nimue - 16 Feb 2004 15:21 GMT
>> Looks like they may already be on top of it - the link's dead.
>> What was it anyway ?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> MaryL

You can report it.online.  It's so easy -- here's how:
Go to ebay.com or just use the link above
Click on Help (Upper Right Side)
Click on Contact Us (Left side)
Click on Report a Listing Policy Violated or prohibited (banned) item
Click on Prohibited (banned) item
Click on the Problem you are having with banned item isn't listed
Click on continue
Click on email
Enter the item number, which is 3175140080
Click send email.
That's it -- do it now.
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NickKnight - 16 Feb 2004 16:40 GMT
>If you want to help "push" eBay along on handling this as they should here
>is their phone number.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>They need to stay on top of things like this better.
At this point my inclination is to have ebay let the ad stand
and let the sale go through.  That way maybe this
cat will end up in a loving home.  

I know ebay has rules against selling cats but
I hate the idea of this clown being anywhere near
a cat.  

I'm very tempted to bid on it.

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another young boy to victimize."
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                        Timberlake

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RedHedd - 16 Feb 2004 22:43 GMT
Thanks, everyone - The listing has been pulled from eBay.  Some of my Pet
Talk friends also contacted the Sheriff in the Florida county where this
loser apparently lives.  Hopefully the cat is safe and the authorities will
deal with this loser.

> >If you want to help "push" eBay along on handling this as they should here
> >is their phone number.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
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SueNY - 19 Feb 2004 04:46 GMT
I reported it to Ebay and emailed the seller. I got a nasty reply, calling
me names and insulting me. The only part suitable for a family newsgroup is:

"How dumb can you be? Like all the others who keep emailing me you're
obviously too stupid to realize it's just a JOKE!"

*sigh* My prayers are with that poor cat.

SueNY
Sherry - 19 Feb 2004 05:05 GMT
>I reported it to Ebay and emailed the seller. I got a nasty reply, calling
>me names and insulting me. The only part suitable for a family newsgroup is:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>SueNY

I kind of thought it might be a joke really, but you never know. I figured the
guy had a friend or alternate e-bay account that he used to run the bids up.
Sorry you got a nasty letter, but thanks for letting us know
Sherry
Hope Munro Smith - 19 Feb 2004 19:39 GMT
>>I reported it to Ebay and emailed the seller. I got a nasty reply,
>>calling me names and insulting me. The only part suitable for a family
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> to run the bids up. Sorry you got a nasty letter, but thanks for
> letting us know Sherry

Yes, I thought it was a joke too, and that one of his friends was playing
the shill making sure nobody else bid high enough to actually get the cat.
M.C. Mullen - 19 Feb 2004 06:46 GMT
| I reported it to Ebay and emailed the seller. I got a nasty reply, calling
| me names and insulting me. The only part suitable for a family newsgroup is:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
|
| SueNY

I would report the guy to the pet rescue people, it won't do any harm and it
might stop him joking too.
You've got his address, so *please* go ahead and report him.
Thanks for your concern.

Carola
NickKnight - 19 Feb 2004 17:53 GMT
> "How dumb can you be? Like all the others who keep emailing me you're
>obviously too stupid to realize it's just a JOKE!"
I put this in the same category as the clowns who decided to "joke
around" by tying a dog to some railroad tracks on an active train
track.   You can guess the result.  

The final result is they were arrested and did jail time.  

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                        Timberlake

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