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How to teach a cat to hunt for rabbits?

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Riley Corninget - 14 Sep 2005 05:01 GMT
My cats are busy hunters, but usually bring only mice and occasional
birds.Not much meat for me and my family.

But there are a lot of rabbits around here, I used to hunt them myself, but
I'm too old now.

So how can I teach the cats to hunt rabbits for me? Even small ones are ok.
No More Retail - 14 Sep 2005 05:30 GMT
Good luck  cats hunt prey smaller than themselves   usually don't take on
anything the size or bigger unless they are protecting their territory or
their lives
meee - 14 Sep 2005 10:43 GMT
> Good luck  cats hunt prey smaller than themselves   usually don't take on
> anything the size or bigger unless they are protecting their territory or
> their lives

It may be different, as we're in australia, but cats here have to be kept
inside as they kill all the wildlife-rabbits (which we want them to catch)
but also possums, snakes, bats, lizards , frogs and many other endangered
species. cats are natural hunters, but it depends on the cat. If there's
something there, and they're game, they'll hunt it, however if it doesn't
want to, there's not much you can do to make it.
Jason James - 14 Sep 2005 16:31 GMT
> > Good luck  cats hunt prey smaller than themselves   usually don't take on
> > anything the size or bigger unless they are protecting their territory or
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> something there, and they're game, they'll hunt it, however if it doesn't
> want to, there's not much you can do to make it.

I was not aware of any law which indicates we must keep our cats
inside,..but I agree with the wildlife thing if you are living near a park
or sanctuary.

A large Crow was walking around our yard the other day,..it was almost as
big as our stray Tom (spayed),..he was interested for about 7 seconds,..then
retreated. The Crow actually eyed him, then kept looking for worms etc,..the
Crow wasn't worried.

Jason
kate - 15 Sep 2005 09:01 GMT
I don't think it has been made law anywhere yet but some areas have
trialled/are trialling cat curfews. However, I think most people agree
that it is best for the native wildlife for cats to be kept indoors or
only let outside in enclosures.

Kate
meee - 15 Sep 2005 10:00 GMT
> > > Good luck  cats hunt prey smaller than themselves   usually don't take
> on
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>
> Jason

You're right, there is no law that says we must, but vets, national parks,
etc do strongly recommend it. and most of us who enjoy seeing our native
animals alive, not dumped half-eaten on the front verandah, try and keep our
cats inside...which isn't always easy or possible in older style houses on a
sweaty summer night! But at least we try! lol
Jason James - 15 Sep 2005 14:22 GMT
> > > > Good luck  cats hunt prey smaller than themselves   usually don't take
> > on
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> cats inside...which isn't always easy or possible in older style houses on a
> sweaty summer night! But at least we try! lol

I agree with both of you if you are situated near a park or sanctuary. In
all the years we've had cats and including when I was a kid, I can only
recall a few mice (6 or so) and almost the same number of birds. Now it may
well be that cats don't dump every kill at our doorsteps,...and to that
extent I'm unsure of the complete picture.

There are a lot of catch 22 situations, and having strays which will not
stay inside continually and the impact that could be making on wildlife is
one example. All I can say, is I keep them all fed as much as they want in
the belief their wildlife kills are at a minimum.
Jason
RichC - 16 Sep 2005 00:49 GMT
> It may be different, as we're in australia, but cats here have to be kept
> inside as they kill all the wildlife-rabbits (which we want them to catch)
> but also possums, snakes, bats, lizards , frogs and many other endangered
> species. cats are natural hunters, but it depends on the cat. If there's
> something there, and they're game, they'll hunt it, however if it doesn't
> want to, there's not much you can do to make it.

Not to be funny but don't you have poisonous frogs down there. If a cat were
to get one would it have any effect on him? I suppose the frogs are not in
all the areas.  My cat used to play with the small frogs around here but he
never ate one. (only the lizards)
(PeteCresswell) - 16 Sep 2005 02:45 GMT
Per RichC:
>Not to be funny but don't you have poisonous frogs down there. If a cat were
>to get one would it have any effect on him? I suppose the frogs are not in
>all the areas.

When I lived in Hawaii, we had toads called "Bufos".    Dogs would get sick/die
after eating/biting them.
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kate - 16 Sep 2005 10:26 GMT
In parts of northeast Australia we have a toad called the cane toad - I
think a native of Sth America - that is very poisonous. Most animals
will leave it alone but it kills lots of snakes that eat them and if a
cat or dog did eat one they would probably die too. We may have others
but I don't know of them.

I don't think the idea of keeping cats well-fed, as someone suggested,
would work very well. In my experience cats hunt because they can, not
because they are hungry.

Kate
meee - 16 Sep 2005 10:47 GMT
> In parts of northeast Australia we have a toad called the cane toad - I
> think a native of Sth America - that is very poisonous. Most animals
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>
> Kate

I think the hawaiin toad mentioned by another poster could be the same or
related to our introduced 'cane toad', Bufo being the first part of the
latin name for cane toad...can't remember the 2nd part, and mayb bufo is the
name for all toads? But kate is right, feeding your cat won't ensure it
doesn't kill wildlife. however it will help. If your cat feels like hunting,
they will. that's what cats do. try a bell if you don't want it to hunt, or
keep it inside. if you do want it to hunt rabbits, trap some baby ones
(sounds cruel I know, but all's fair in the war against feral animals) and
give them to your cat. she'll soon get the idea.
No More Retail - 16 Sep 2005 11:53 GMT
I have always stayed away from the bell  too much attention to be gained by
the local dogs here in Florida to many idiots don't know what a lease law is
kate - 17 Sep 2005 00:49 GMT
> I think the hawaiin toad mentioned by another poster could be the same or
> related to our introduced 'cane toad', Bufo being the first part of the
> latin name for cane toad...can't remember the 2nd part, and mayb bufo is the
> name for all toads?

Australian cane toad is bufo marinus. And you're right "bufo" is the
genus -  which identifies the creature as a toad, "marinus" (in this
case) is the species ie cane toad.

Are you in Oz too Meee? Where?

Kate
meee - 18 Sep 2005 05:55 GMT
> > I think the hawaiin toad mentioned by another poster could be the same or
> > related to our introduced 'cane toad', Bufo being the first part of the
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>
> Kate

Hi Kate, thanks for that...i had a vague hunch it might be marinus, but
wasn't game to say in case i was wrong. I'm in nth qld. whereabouts are you?
Nice to run into an aussie in here!
Gary Stone - 15 Sep 2005 02:21 GMT
> Good luck  cats hunt prey smaller than themselves   usually don't take on
> anything the size or bigger unless they are protecting their territory or
> their lives

My two cats bring home full size and smaller rabbits all the time. There are
too darn many rabbits around here. They can't catch the snowshoe rabbits in
the winter though, too fast and agile for them. The one thing I wish they
wouldn't bring home are the flying squirrels. The new cat door has only one
disadvantage, I never know what is going to be dropped on my chest at 4:00
AM as I sleep.

Stone
Some pic's  http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/stoneman72/my_photos
No More Retail - 15 Sep 2005 02:41 GMT
Wow I learn something everyday I have seen them bring down squirrels  and
smaller prey  but never a full size rabbit  what type of cats do you have
Gary Stone - 15 Sep 2005 03:20 GMT
> Wow I learn something everyday I have seen them bring down squirrels  and
> smaller prey  but never a full size rabbit  what type of cats do you have
Just your average cotton tails and the snowshoes which are just rabbits that
turn white in the winter.
Cats aren't particularly big. One is a tabby and the other just a domestic
shorthair. The cats weigh 10 and 10½ lbs. The Flying Squirrels aren't big.
They look something like mice and aren't much bigger. Perfect timing, Emily
just brought one home. Let me snap a few pics and I'll post pictures of it
on my site.........long pause...........OK their posted, just click on my
yahoo site and click the critter's album. The new pics are at the bottom of
the page.

Stone
Some pic's  http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/stoneman72/my_photos
No More Retail - 15 Sep 2005 03:40 GMT
Beautiful area you live in and lucky  I see snow  all I see here in Florida
is bikinis and heat wave
Gary Stone - 15 Sep 2005 04:22 GMT
> Beautiful area you live in and lucky  I see snow  all I see here in
> Florida is bikinis and heat wave
LOL, after a couple of months of our winters the sight of a hot body in a
bikini might well necessitate the popping of a couple nitro tabs. Well, at
my age anyway. ;-)

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No More Retail - 15 Sep 2005 05:09 GMT
Rather deal with snow than the hurricanes  and the good looking ones that
wear those bikinis cost way to much money to have on your shoulder

>> Beautiful area you live in and lucky  I see snow  all I see here in
>> Florida is bikinis and heat wave
> LOL, after a couple of months of our winters the sight of a hot body in a
> bikini might well necessitate the popping of a couple nitro tabs. Well, at
> my age anyway. ;-)
Gary Stone - 15 Sep 2005 17:23 GMT
LOL,

Stone

> Rather deal with snow than the hurricanes  and the good looking ones that
> wear those bikinis cost way to much money to have on your shoulder
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>> bikini might well necessitate the popping of a couple nitro tabs. Well,
>> at my age anyway. ;-)
RichC - 16 Sep 2005 00:56 GMT
> Beautiful area you live in and lucky  I see snow  all I see here in Florida
> is bikinis and heat wave

I'm in Fl also. We don't have any chipmunks of squirrels either.  My cat
sort of misses hunting them.
meee - 15 Sep 2005 10:00 GMT
> Wow I learn something everyday I have seen them bring down squirrels  and
> smaller prey  but never a full size rabbit  what type of cats do you have

Just your average moggy.
 
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