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Bryan - 06 Sep 2005 03:07 GMT
moving into a one bedroom apartment this friday.
I never thought a landlord would let me get a cat.
   I checked the apartment out and noticed my
landlord had a cat.  My neighbor btw.  So i'm like
can i have a cat, she's like yeah i love cats, i
have no problem with that.  I was not expecting
this renting.  I'm giving it a few weeks or until
i feel comfortable everything is working out with
the apartment (that is, my landlord and neighbors
seem ok)  Then i'm going to the humane society and
picking out a short hair/fixed/declawed female.  I
love cats i always had one growing up, i was just
never able to have one renting.  Not too worried
with renting in that my next move will be when i
buy a house probably next summer.  I can't wait!!

A one bedroom apartment will not cramp a cat too
much will it?  It'll be enough room for a cat?
Cat can do what it wants when i'm working look out
windows, play, run around, and i'd be home the
majority unless i go on a two day trip to visit my
parents about once a month..  I prefer to have a
100 percent indoor cat.

Bryan
Wayne Boatwright - 06 Sep 2005 03:38 GMT
> moving into a one bedroom apartment this friday.
> I never thought a landlord would let me get a cat.
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>
> Bryan

Congratulations on your new apartment and the prospect of sharing it with a
furry feline!  A one bedroom apartment is plenty big enough to have one
cat.  They're kinda small, ya know? :-)

It's great that you're going to rescue a kitty from the humane society.  If
the cat you want isn't spayed, they will spay it for you.

One thing, though...  If the cat you choose isn't declawed, please don't do
it.  Declawing a cat is the same thing as if you had your fingertips
amputated back to the first joint.  It's really inhumane.  A lot of folks
don't realize that.

Good luck, and post back when you've got your new kitty!

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Bryan - 06 Sep 2005 03:50 GMT
>>moving into a one bedroom apartment this friday.
>>I never thought a landlord would let me get a cat.
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>
> Good luck, and post back when you've got your new kitty!

If the cat isn't declawed will i have to worry
about scratching furniture up??  Anything i can do
to prevent that from happening.

Bryan
Wayne Boatwright - 06 Sep 2005 04:21 GMT
>>>moving into a one bedroom apartment this friday.
>>>I never thought a landlord would let me get a cat.
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>>
>> Good luck, and post back when you've got your new kitty!

> If the cat isn't declawed will i have to worry
> about scratching furniture up??  Anything i can do
> to prevent that from happening.

You need to have things for her scratch on, like a scratching post.  Stores
like PetSmart have all kinds of things for them to scratch on, and it's not
too hard to train them.  Putting catnip on the scratching post or other
scratching material is very helpful.

With an indoor cat it's also a good idea to clip their nails about once a
month.  It's easy to do and a vet or groomer can show you how.  Indoor cats
don't wear their nails down like outside cats, so it's really better for
them.

A good and harmless discipline tool to use when you cat does something you
don't want her to do is a spray bottle with plain water in it.  If you
spray her everytime she doesn't something you don't want her to do, she
will soon learn not to do it.

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Bryan - 06 Sep 2005 04:18 GMT
>>>>moving into a one bedroom apartment this friday.
>>>>I never thought a landlord would let me get a cat.
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> spray her everytime she doesn't something you don't want her to do, she
> will soon learn not to do it.

thanks for your replies.  It sounds like you
really love cats!!
Wayne Boatwright - 06 Sep 2005 04:43 GMT
> thanks for your replies.  It sounds like you
> really love cats!!

Bryan, I've had at least one cat (we now have 5) since 1965.  I absolutely
adore them...they are like my kids! :-)  I may not know everything about
cats, but I've never had one that didn't live to be at least 16, most lived
longer.

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Bryan - 06 Sep 2005 04:46 GMT
>>thanks for your replies.  It sounds like you
>>really love cats!!
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> cats, but I've never had one that didn't live to be at least 16, most lived
> longer.

wow i was thinking about that i get a cat i'll be
in my late forties before it dies (alot of good
years ahead)  I am 26 now.
Wayne Boatwright - 06 Sep 2005 05:02 GMT
>>>thanks for your replies.  It sounds like you  really love cats!!
>>
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> in my late forties before it dies (alot of good
> years ahead)  I am 26 now.

They are truly a life companion, and an indoor cat given good food and
treatment will usually live a long life, regardless of breed.  Three of our
five cats are all under a year old.  I'm now 60...I hope they don't outlive
me because I can't imagine them being with anyone else.

OTOH, dog breeds vary considerably in lifespan.  For example, an English
bulldog only has a life expectancy of 5-7 years.

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Bryan - 06 Sep 2005 05:01 GMT
>>>>thanks for your replies.  It sounds like you  really love cats!!
>>>
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> OTOH, dog breeds vary considerably in lifespan.  For example, an English
> bulldog only has a life expectancy of 5-7 years.

I assure the cat will live like a queen:)
Wayne Boatwright - 06 Sep 2005 05:08 GMT
>>>>>thanks for your replies.  It sounds like you  really love cats!!
>>>>
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>>
> I assure the cat will live like a queen:)

I believe that.  She will be a very lucky girl.

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AKA gray asphalt - 08 Sep 2005 17:40 GMT
If you can, do get a cat that is declawed already, as you
are going to keep him/her inside and they have a hard
time outside ... I can't imagine it, really. That is of course
not to say to have him declawed later. You seem like a
nice person who won't abandon him and would be good
for one of those cats who has been abused by declawing.
Sorry to those who did it without knowing. I don't mean
to attack you. : -)

>>>>>>thanks for your replies.  It sounds like you  really love cats!!
>>>>>
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>
> I believe that.  She will be a very lucky girl.
Bryan - 06 Sep 2005 03:53 GMT
>>moving into a one bedroom apartment this friday.
>>I never thought a landlord would let me get a cat.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Good luck, and post back when you've got your new kitty!

I don't know much about the humaneness of
declawing a cat.  You sound right though it sounds
brutal.  Worse case scenario cat will already be
declawed.  I won't do it, it doesn't seem
right/humane.
Wayne Boatwright - 06 Sep 2005 04:29 GMT
>>>moving into a one bedroom apartment this friday.
>>>I never thought a landlord would let me get a cat.
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> declawed.  I won't do it, it doesn't seem
> right/humane.

True, there's absolutely nothing wrong with adopting a cat that's already
declawed, especially since you plan to keep her inside all the time.  All
of our cats are inside cats 100% of the time.  Only one, our oldest, is
declawed.  That was done when I didn't know better.  There's a lot of
information on the effects of declawing.  If you're interested, you should
search on something like "to declaw or not to declaw".  Here's an excerpt
of one such article:

"It Is A Surgery"
Your cat is not merely having his toenails removed. Unlike our own nails
which are merely embedded within the flesh, a cat’s nails are rigidly
attached to the first joint in the toe. Thus, the procedure requires the
ten separate amputations of this first joint or distal phalanx. If you feel
the three sections of bone in your own fingers and imagine that our nails
were attached to the first section. This first section is what would need
to be removed. The procedure is a drastic and causes severe pain and many
lasting effects, not to mention the possible complications that can occur
due to the procedure. Nerve damage, hemorrhaging and severe infection are
some of the discomforting possibilities. Also, the section of bone is
sometimes incompletely removed. Hidden under the healed tissue a deformed
claw can begin to emerge, called an abscess, causing your cat great pain
and discomfort.

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(PeteCresswell) - 06 Sep 2005 14:21 GMT
Per Wayne Boatwright:
>A one bedroom apartment is plenty big enough to have one
>cat.  They're kinda small, ya know? :-)

I admit I know *nothing* about this - so please take this as a request for
information, and NOT a statement of hard-core opinion.

And one of my neighbors is adamant about their cats being "house" cats - having
lost too many to traffic in earlier years.

I'm guessing it's just a matter of time with ours.... So the temptation to lock
it up "for it's own good" is there.

I would ask somebody to convince me that cooping up a hunting animal in an
apartment - or even a 3-bedroom house - isn't cruel.

Anthropomorphizing it to the max, I come up with something that's pretty close
to solitary confinement.  i.e. If I had to choose between living to age 103
locked up underground in Lubianka prison and dying at 65 in the real world,
which would I choose?
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Wayne Boatwright - 06 Sep 2005 15:06 GMT
> Per Wayne Boatwright:
>>A one bedroom apartment is plenty big enough to have one  cat.  They're
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> to age 103 locked up underground in Lubianka prison and dying at 65 in
> the real world, which would I choose?

Nothing wrong in playing devil's advocate, Peter.

I'm certainly not an expert by any means, but I have had at least one cat
in my life continuously since 1965, and they have all lived to a ripe old
age and exhibited a good and playful spirit and good health.

First let me say that I believe cats are very smart animals, but that they
are not intellectuals in the sense that they ponder their lot in life.  
They view the world as they know it, and if they know it as boudaried by
the walls of an apartment or house, then they perceive that as their
"world".  Much of it is conditioning.

That is not to say that my cats never see the light of day.  We take our
cats out on our patio when we can be with them, and they enjoy basking in
the sun on the floor or in the nearby grass.  They seldom if ever are wont
to wander off.  In fact, it is usually they who tell us when they want to
go back inside.

We had an interesting occurence last year when the latch on our front door
malfunctioned and the door popped open during a weekday while we were at
work.  I was horrified when I drove in the driveway and saw the door
standing wide open.  My first thought was that the cats are probably gone.  
When I searched for them, I found 3 of them sleeping on the bed, 1 of them
eating, and the 5th one curled up on a chair on the patio.  They knew where
home was and wanted to be there.

I think having more than one cat is healthy, but not necessarily a
requirement.  Our cats watch television, play furiously at times, either
alone with a toy or with each other.  They sleep a great deal, as is normal
for a cat.  Our cats follow us around in the house and, in spite of there
being 5 of them, seek our attention.  They know we love them and provide
for them.

Any cat that is unhappy will usually not exhibit good health.  They may not
eat well, they cease to groom themselves, and their physical condition
becmes obvious.  A few years ago when we had only 2 cats, our oldest became
ill and died of old age.  After a few days when our remaining cat realized
that her companion wasn't coming back, she showed clear signs of
despondency.  She wasn't eating well, and would keep to herself much of the
time, no matter how we tried to draw her out.  We soon adopted another cat,
and all was right with the world for her.

I don't know if I've made a convincing argument, but I do know that it
works for us, and that our cats are very happy to be here.

Cheers!  

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(PeteCresswell) - 06 Sep 2005 18:33 GMT
Per Wayne Boatwright:
>I don't know if I've made a convincing argument....

That was pretty good.  

Thanks.
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Wayne Boatwright - 06 Sep 2005 19:05 GMT
> Per Wayne Boatwright:
>>I don't know if I've made a convincing argument....
>
> That was pretty good.  
>
> Thanks.

Glad to contribute.  It's just how our happy little family gets through the
day. :-)

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Kiran - 06 Sep 2005 19:23 GMT
PeteCresswell <x@y.z.invalid.USA> wrote:

: I would ask somebody to convince me that cooping up a hunting
: animal in an apartment - or even a 3-bedroom house - isn't cruel.

Apartment living is not cruel, especially if a cat is raised that way
(an adult already used to outdoors may find the adjustment difficult,
maybe those with experience can comment on that).

However, I am of teh view that access to outdoors is better *if* your
surroundings are safe enough. That is a big if in much of America. Cars
and mean strangers in urban areas, and wild life in rural areas are
cited as biggest dangers.

Fortunately my own surroundings are safe enough to let her go out into
the back porch and yard as she wishes. Her personality helps: she never
strays beyond our property and actually prefers the porch to indoors or
the lawn. In any event, there is little traffic, few strangers, and
neighbors are ok with each other's pets. You should judge your own
circumstances carefully. The fact that your immediate neighbor had a
string of bad experiences is a serious warning sign.
AKA gray asphalt - 08 Sep 2005 17:44 GMT
This is just a theory but I think that cats seem to want
to get out because they are looking to eliminate enemies
and mark their territory which instinct lessens when they
realize they are safe inside. There is no doubt that the
birds still get their attention. Ours seem happier since we
put up blocks so they don't see the outside as much. If
this is a bad idea, let me know. It seems to help.

> Per Wayne Boatwright:
>>A one bedroom apartment is plenty big enough to have one
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> locked up underground in Lubianka prison and dying at 65 in the real world,
> which would I choose?
 
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